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Subject: RE: Compulsive Thread Posting-RUGuilty? From: DougR Date: 03 Jan 00 - 07:34 PM Die, Thread! DougR |
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Subject: RE: Compulsive Thread Posting-RUGuilty? From: Mbo Date: 03 Jan 00 - 07:46 PM I know I really shouldn't be posting, but it seems to me in the last few days, the Mudcat has been full of arguments and disagreements. As War said "Why can't we be friends?" Let's do music stuff! I'm trying to figure out music file stuff, and no ones answering my questions! Let's stop all this metacommunication and get back to the music! BTW I'm over in the Mudcat Living Room (which actually IS a music thread, if people went there instead of here, which is NOT a music thread) and I need help! --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: Compulsive Thread Posting-RUGuilty? From: Jon Freeman Date: 03 Jan 00 - 07:52 PM DougR, I have a horrible feeling that even if this thread dies, the underlying issues won't die. It appears to me that this subject crops up more and more frequently with increasing bitternes each time and I sucpect that Joe is right in suggesting that the matter does need sorting out once and for all in a way that everyone can accept. I sit pretty near the middle on the BS argument and likely to be satisfied with any soulution that puts and end to the unpleasantness. I was recently asked by another Mudcatter (no one involved in this debate and not Max or Bert) about my feelings. Here is an extract from the email I sent in reply: "I am here primarily for the music threads although I do read and contribute to some of the BS threads. I have mixed feelings over the BS and at times feel that maybe it should be separated but as other people have pointed out, sometimes music stems from the BS and visa versa. Antoher problem to me would be that people do not have the same opinions on what is or isn't BS. I have read many posts where my labeling would be different to the one chosen by the originator of the thread. Overall, I think that the community feeling is a good thing and from a selfish point of view, I have made a few good contacts/ friends because of the willingness to exhange more than just hard musical facts. I suppose thread wise, one of my dislikes is when a musical question is asked and the thread degenerates into silly comments before any attempt is made to answer the question but that doesn't happen too often." Jon
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Subject: RE: Compulsive Thread Posting-RUGuilty? From: Fred M. Date: 03 Jan 00 - 07:55 PM I'd hate to see any minority feel pressured to pick up and leave. I am SADDENED by the deterioration of this neat place. I've learned lots here. I don't like the non-musical threads, or the healing threads, or the quote du jour, I'm tired of hearing about possums. I was astonished at how many threads were requesting that people from different geographic locations check in. And when the server is down, I feel irritated at how people carry on so about not getting their fix. Those are my negative feelings about this forum. They are my feelings. But I pick up interesting stuff in the musical ones. That is the only thing that brings me back. I'm a lurker. I don't have much insight to share musically, and I hope it's OK to contribute to a conversation, even a touchy and emotionally charged one. I'd really like to see amicable resolution. Fred |
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Subject: RE: Compulsive Thread Posting-RUGuilty? From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Jan 00 - 08:00 PM We have had threads recently about guilt. Well, perhaps some of it is mine (no I'm fairly sober thanks). I had been away for some months (no, not "away" in that sense) and I trotted back in and posted (irony!)without huge reflection. Back then I don't think it would have been so sinful. But I did think a bit, and for the reasons I stated it was of help to me to be able to post to this thread. The Mudcat would be less for me if that function were removed. Senseless posting helps no-one. Folk music depends often on the understanding o fhuman issues and to that extent it may be helpful to all of us to understand human issues. I would therefore not rule out human issues for posting. For that reason it is better to avoid the barrister's sneer. I think some misunderstand Gargoyle (also seemingly named above as gregg). I make no claim to understand him fully. But usually his postings, even the sharp ones, are witty or well put. One of his above was obviously spiky, but perhaps was not read as intended. That may make it worse or better, but it indicates the need to think. Does that temptation, the temptation to say something witty whatever the cost (which cost Oscar Wilde so dear) drive him. Do we have to stop and ask if he means anything he says? If so does that exonerate him at all? Perhaps indeed the better idea is to separate the Mudcat fromthe Mudchat. But (and I leave you to decide whether I am striking for an ironic point) one of the reasons I am less likely to go to the non-chat areaa is because so little of it is about folk music and so much about country or contemporary (usually American) acoustic music. Does that lead us to four fora? Does this argument lead to a reductio in absurdum? |
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Subject: RE: Compulsive Thread Posting-RUGuilty? From: DougR Date: 03 Jan 00 - 08:32 PM Jon: It's just that I've seen this discussed so much since I have been dropping in to the Mudcat, I seriously doubt it will ever be resolved. People are taking sides and I'm not convinced people on either side will ever change their position. As long as folks can type and Max and Dick set no ground rules, they are going to post whatever they want to. I guess I fall into the middle too. I enjoy some BS threads and most music threads. If I'm not interested in a Thread, I just move on. I really hate to see folks that I think are basically interested in the same thing and are good folks go at each other as has happend on this Thread. DougR |
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Subject: RE: Compulsive Thread Posting-RUGuilty? From: Bill D Date: 03 Jan 00 - 09:08 PM ....I tried earlier to make a weak joke in the midst of all this, but I see that there is no way to keep it to that....I have been sitting here, arms folded in front of the screen for 30 minutes, trying to think what, or IF, I should all to it all. I have been in this forum for 3 years, like Joe, and I am very sad that it has come to this. I was, frankly, startled that Joe said what he did, as I have met Joe in person and, although I knew he was upset at some things, I didn't think he'd say it 'openly'. Is he right? *sigh*..yeah, sort of..Is katlaughing right about HER 'rights' and feelings...yeah, sort of...Is gargoyle right about HIS gripes and sore points...yeah, sort of...Is Margo? Is sophocleese? sure...we ALL have some truth in what we believe and feel....however...... There is an *art* to being right, that is, to saying what you are convinced is 'true' and 'fair' and 'reasonable' in a gentle and non-provocative way, and it seems to be a dying art. Gargoyle made HIS splash by making HIS points rudely and hatefully...and many here said so. Others have responded in kind, and thus made it worse. Some have tried to defuse things with wit and soothing posts, saying "there, there, kiddies..lets all be friends". But backs are now up, and no one will back down. Don't you see?..This VERY DISCUSSION is driving the wedge deeper...and here I am trying to find a way to say " you are ALL right...and also ALL wrong" ....Joe knows he can't 'stop' the BS posts...this place is like a big, open park- where people can do whatever they like short of murder and mayhem....all one can do is plead for a bit of restraint and awareness of the stated purpose of the place. but statements like this.."frankly, I don't care how they did it way back when"...*sigh*, seem to me to be pretty heavy, in ANY context. When a bunch of people are in the same area, they ALL must attempt to be conscious of how what they do affects others...Joe's example of the classroom.." the rest of the kids in the class are having a great time with a spitball war, and the teacher gets distracted and doesn't say anything of value." is pretty close to how it is. Yes, I know, you can always 'choose' to not read a thread, or not respond, but in a park, if YOU want a quiet discussion and others are throwing balls and playing loud radios right around you, it is VERY difficult to ignore...and after all, the ball players have their rights!..(cynicism implied) some threads I can, and do ignore..."healing and religion" are usually so marked, and I just dont bother with them...I do NOT think this is the place for it, but I have, mostly, ignored it. I cannot avoid, however noticing them in the list, and it does prickle and irritate. I do not see how personal things of that nature are anything more than prosyletizing in a forum like this....in this country, we have 'freedom of religion', a wonderful thing. But, implied in the concept of "freedom of religion" is that freedom FROM religion for those that so choose is also a right. So...what should one DO when one has a genuine need and desire to discuss and participate in religious and arcane concepts like 'healing' that not everyone appreciates?..It is possible today to have, free for the asking, a web site of your own..INCLUDING scripts to run a discussion forum!!!! Ask Alice..(in Montana) how it is done...then in here, if you want others to join you, you could make a BRIEF MENTION of the address, and the discussion or healing group could 'do it's business' there. I am a member of a group whose charter says that what they do is "collect wood"...yet, some of the major players and old timers in the group are devout, born again Christian fundamentalists///and when I attend a meeting, EVERYONE is expected to stand and bow their heads while someone asks JESUS to bless us all. No one asks if there are any Jews or Muslims...or atheists present, and they will NOT just keep it to a ' moment of silence'..Yes, I do what most do...I stand there, saying nothing, and seething...and yes, it is my right to NOT attend the meetings...just as I am able to NOT open certain threads here... well, I seem to have picked up a bit of steam in my misguided effort to post a concilitory and non-partisan message...*shaking my head*....I don't know if anyone has noticed, but I have been in here a lot less in recent months, and if you do, as katlaughing suggests "going Back to the Future of Threads for some good ole' reads.. ", you will find some names which simply are not here anymore...several have said PUBLICLY why they left, others never said...I suspect THIS sort of thing helped some decide. I think this will be my only public posting in this matter...anyone who wishes may contact me if they need clarification of my ramblings.
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Subject: RE: Compulsive Thread Posting-RUGuilty? From: MandolinPaul Date: 03 Jan 00 - 09:34 PM You make a lot of good points, Bill. I'm going to type a phrase that has quite often brought about domestic peace for me. I still think I'm right; you still think you're right ... but let's be friends again.
OK, it ain't deep, and it may only delay problems until a future date, but it can do a world of good when the involved parties are just plain tired of scrapping.
May this thread rest in peace. Amen, Praise Allah, Have a nice day. Paul. |
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Subject: RE: Compulsive Thread Posting-RUGuilty? From: Roger the skiffler Date: 05 Jan 00 - 05:57 AM Compulsive poster? Guilty as charged: defence? Learned a lot from the music threads, unable from ignorance to contribute in kind, so resort to offloading old jokes in BS threads. Plea in mitigation: undergoing treatment at the Neil Young Center. Awful warning: a few Christmas cracker jokes to offload this year! BTW, I always marvel how modest and restrained Max is, as the begetter of this thing, he rarely contributes as himself, though I gather from his rare postings he is a knowledgeable bluesman, perhaps we could all try to emulate him! (fat chance!) RtS |
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Subject: RE: Compulsive Thread Posting-RUGuilty? From: Mr Happy Date: 24 Jul 02 - 10:12 PM gilty as charged |
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