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Subject: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Paco Rabanne Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:41 AM Welcome to the shortest thread ever! Flamenco, the true path! |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Kim C Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:42 AM Well, he has got the popular vote so far, with more votes than any other President in US history. I wonder how that sits with all the folks who complained about him not getting the popular vote last time? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:05 AM *LOL* Ted! |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:29 AM Well done Mr Bush, waht happend to Arnold Swarzhernegger ? i thought he was going to be president, did he change his mind? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:31 AM Well, I won't pretend I'm happy with the situation, but assuming for the moment that the provisional votes in Ohio don't turn it around (fat chance), I guess he's won. At least we don't have the problem we've had in the last four years of a loser in the popular vote occupying the White House by questionable means. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Peace Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:33 AM I wish I drank. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Big Mick Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:34 AM That's OK, brucie. I will do it for you. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Stu Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:34 AM Great. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Paco Rabanne Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:35 AM jOhn, Arnold dropped out due to film commitments. He is appearing in Michael Moore's remake of Britneys "oops I did it again" I think...... could be wrong there..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: dianavan Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:42 AM Well - at least nobody is really surprised. What do you expect from the biggest con man in North America. I mean, really, do you think they fixed the glitches in the Diebold machines? From what I understand, they didn't even try. I weep for America. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:55 AM I think the fears over the Diebold machines simply didn't pan out. They worked fine. Are you so paranoid about technology that you don't use ATM machines either? Hey, where is Bobert? He seemed to be the only one who truly had his finger on the pulse! He nailed it with his prediction, didn't he? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:56 AM Yes, it is true Liberace does have a metal cock |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:58 AM Why weep? Even though the odds are against Kerry pulling out Ohio, let the votes be counted before you start the funeral. He has not flatlined yet. There is no reason to weep. If anything good comes out of this, there is at least 49% of the country that woke up and passed on the Kool-Aid. Bush will not have a mandate. He will also be facing a country that will be watching closely. Don't give up the fight. One election is no reason to crawl back into a hole. There are battles to be won, or maybe I should say there are battles to be ONE. The war rages on, civil liberties are threatened, women's rights to choose are threatened, freedom of speech is threatened, lifestyle choices are threatened, the environment is threatened, the economy is in trouble, jobs are being farmed out and our children's future is being mortgaged. Is this the time to feel sorry for ourselves that we didn't get Bush out of office? Hell no, let's get back to work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:00 AM Put it this way Ron, how would you feel having a steel phallas |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: muppett Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:00 AM Right can we get back to more important election matters, like who's going be the chair at the community centre I work at after their AGM next month, so far it looks like it's going to be the present chair. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: DougR Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:04 AM I'm super happy. Bush wins, the Republicans pick up seats in the House and the Senate! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: greg stephens Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:06 AM Funny really. People have been explaining for years on Mudcat that voting for Bush was stupid and evil. Really clever people, with univesrity degrees and everything, have been explaining how stupid and ungrammatical Bush is, and they have been saying it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over agin. And look what happens, really stupid people in American havent listened to their betters at all, but have voted him in again. Now how can you explain that? It baffles me. Do you think it is possible some of those stupid and evil voters are a teensy bit bolshy, have no respect for grammatical experts at all. and dont always do what their betters tell them? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:07 AM I fell your missing the point somewhat, higher taxation on rare and metallic goods will obviously bring shortfall onto liberaces carbonite winky |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Grab Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:10 AM All I can say is I'm glad I don't live in London or Birmingham, or in SF/NY/LA/DC/any other large US city, or anywhere else that's a likely target for suicide bombers. Re-election will give Bush the nudge to do what the hell he likes, and Blair will likely follow him. So the Middle East is going to go further to hell, and chances are that some of the hell is going to come back to roost. I'm also glad no-one close to me is in the military. Ah well, in 4 years time the war in Iraq will have just about bankrupted the US morally and politically, same as Vietnam did. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST,Liberace Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:14 AM The American people have just endorsed Bushs madness, he'll be stronger and more powerful to stop this time, he'll find the holy grail, become immortal and take over the galaxy. I fear the Kwaglons are next, Mars will burn and the laughter of thirsting gods will ring for eternity. P.S I do not have a metallic cock, it is now plastic due to the cost of maintenance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:16 AM Hey, if nobody else is willing to say it, let me, evil anonymoose guest say it: congratulations DougR! And pity the nation and world. But Ron O...speaking of drinking the kool aid. What the hell have you been drinking? Are you this cheerful because you are in denial that Bush/Cheney won? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Clinton Hammond Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:16 AM Does it matter one way or the other? I think not... |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:18 AM Is that true Liberace, that your trouser-sanke is now plastic, well theres a turn up for the books. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:23 AM No guest, I am not in denial. Bush will probably win the whole thing. I am happy that 49% of the population saw through the lies and made their voice heard. America has been living in a conservative vacuum since Reagan. The only voices have been right-wing and the public was lulled into a sense of safety that doesn't exist. People are seeing through it. I am not happy at all that Bush will probably be in office for 4 more years. It would have been easier to create the changes we need with him out of office. Just because there is a roadblock, it doesn't mean I am getting back in my car and heading for home. The roadblock is an obstacle that can be worked around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:31 AM riddle me this, riddle me that, the position of Uranus in conjuction with the holy buffoon spells disaster for all homosapiens except the men of greenalnd who with hearty rage and loud guffaw will face extinction with warm acceptence |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:44 AM *If* Bush wins? Are you serious? Kerry is going to concede the thing some time this afternoon. For me, the silver lining to all this is that the Anybody But Bush, lesser of two evils Republicrat electoral strategy of the Democratic party has been soundly trounced. Question now is, what percent of that 49% will keep drinking from the Anybody But Bush koolaid fountain, and how many of 'em will wake up and smell the coffee. Nader in 2008! |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:47 AM Makes us sitting ducks, it does, to have a fool in the White House for four more years. Nothing has changed, and it will only get worse. The only good thing out of this--Bush will soon enough be a lame duck. Ha! SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Kim C Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:54 AM Now let's see how many of the celebrities who said they'd leave the country actually do. ;-) It was a really close election. A LOT of people voted, and that's a remarkable thing. A LOT of people wanted a change, and they simply got outvoted - but not by much. I hope more people will be encouraged to participate in the political process more often. That is the ONLY way anything will ever change. Maybe it's just because I'm an Invisible Middle Classer, but my adult life has remained pretty much the same, regardless of who's President - because so much of that depends on ME. The President isn't going to get me a dream job. The President isn't going to buy me a house. The President isn't going to help me get through grad school. My financial situation stays pretty much the same, tax cut or no tax cut. So on a personal level, who's the President doesn't really make much difference to me. But I vote anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:56 AM Kerry just conceded. The fight begins anew. Guest, I know you are on a kick about third parties, and Nader in particular. You won't listen to our reasons why we do not care for Nader and why a third party will never work in this country. We can affect change in this country, and I applaud Nader and the rest for bringing issues to the front. It is up to us to work within the parties to create the changes that will actually take place. We weren't "soundly trounced". You can put that spin on it if you like, but it just is not the case. We made a difference, not big enough, but we were heard and we will be heard from. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Big Mick Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:11 PM Yeah, Ron, but I will tell you one thing. When you factor in the fact that this was a razor tight election, that more people voted than ever before, that we had a clear choice for the first time in a long time ... it pretty well demonstrates that the Kerry and Democratic activists, organizations like MoveOn, had a much bigger impact on the American political process than megalomaniacal candidates like Nader ever have. It is my opinion that folks understand the need to work from within to effect change, as opposed to being an outsider in the process. I saw people waited 10 to 11 hours to vote. I find it interesting that the gay marriage issue surfaced in a number of States, and that there were other divisive ballot iniatives in battleground States. The gaming issue in Michigan comes to mind. Could this be a new form of "wedge" tactic? Where one has a candidate that is suffering in image, the party creates other issues that will cause people to go with their candidate? The last issue that the Dems need to take a very close look at. All polling shows that morality is a huge issue. Even though I supported him, this is Clinton's legacy. Like it or not, at this juncture in history people want to believe in the morality of the candidate. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:15 PM I agree with you Big Mick! Well put. My feeling with any third party candidate is that they do bring issues to the public, but as we witnessed in 2000, they can also screw up an election. Kerry had an amazing impact on this country. What was missed, in early reports at least, is that the youth vote did not come out in the big numbers that were expected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Don Firth Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:15 PM The idea that "America has spoken" is not quite accurate. Slightly more that half voted for Bush. The rest voted for Kerry. That's a lot of people. (Sorry, GUEST. Nader didn't even raise a hickey on this one.) Not to early to start workin' on 2008. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Once Famous Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:15 PM I enjoyed those thoughts, Big Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:18 PM Still delusional, eh Ron? Well, you are a party man, so of course I'm not surprised at your positive spin on what is a major blow to your party. But Ron, eventually you are going to be forced to deal with the independents in this country, 27% of registered votes in my state for instance, instead of ignore us and keep pandering to the conservative Democrats and the Republican right. Like I said, you can keep sucking on your Republicrat koolaid, or you can wake up and smell the coffee. Your man, your party, your strategy, was trounced. The most decisive victory in a presidential election in years. Hell, Bush even managed to beat the non-voters and squeak out a majority victory! They managed to throw the Republicrat leader of the Senate out on his ass! The Republicans will get to appoint at least one justice to the Supreme Court. The Republicans are likely going to win more tax cuts, could even possibly get their horrific energy package passed. And you are spinning this like none of that matters!@? Maybe you should join Amos on vacation, Ron. I'm quite certain of one thing. The Monday morning quarterbacking in the Republicrat ranks ain't gonna be pretty. The country isn't nearly as divided as the Democratic party is. You can't keep ignoring your traditional base and win elections, no matter how much oligarchy money the party fat cats get to take to the bank. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Big Mick Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:24 PM More of the same from this GUEST. While I agree that voters in general have a much more independent streak that before, this really means that they are more willing to cross party lines than their desire to abandon the two party system. Unless we went to a parliamentary system, having a dozen parties would only serve to increase the problem, not cure it. This is because there would not be the ability to create bloc's in the manner of Canada and Great Britain. Ron, I would prefer you to those that only decry the current parties. They never have solutions, rather they usually just complain about what is wrong. Their appeal is limited and is usually just a blip, such as with Nader and Perot. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:26 PM Guest, you are making a great example of why people are turned off by Nader. You resort to name calling and throwing out one-liners when you can't make a point. Little children are usually given a timeout for such behavior. You are not much of an "independent". You are more of an autocrat then the parties you are knocking. Any view that differs from yours is automatically ignored. You even refuse to open dialogue, as I have suggested above. Thankfully, you are not refective of what most TRUE independents are all about. I never said this wasn't a "major blow". I just said it isn't the end of the road. This isn't a ballgame where you have a winner and a loser. This game doesn't end in the 9th inning, it continues. We keep moving on and making changes, something you haven't been able to see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Big Mick Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:35 PM You even refuse to open dialogue, as I have suggested above. Spot on, Ron. I have tried, to no avail, to open dialogue with this person. I am not sure where the bitterness comes from (none of my business really) but it precludes building any bridges. It is a shame because I feel like if we could get by it, there would be some great debate. But it is not possible for this person. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: George Papavgeris Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:37 PM I'm opening book on how long before Cheney takes over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:38 PM Mick, there will always be people like this guest. He or she ends up polarizing or turning off people from its messag. I do think the rest of us can ignore the rhetoric and really understand each other and work for change. We will never please everyone, but we can move closer to understanding each other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: ard mhacha Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:40 PM Kerry is a very lucky man not having to inherit the chaos that Bush and his henchemen would have left him. So we will see within the next four years, Bin Laden defeated, the Arab world conqured and made to do the USA`s bidding, aye, and Ian Paisley will be urbining it urbi from St Peters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Big Mick Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:44 PM That will be interesting, Ard. That is the question just now. Because of not being able to be re-elected again, the President has little to lose. It is usually the case that Presidents, in their second term, concentrate on legacy building. The seek to build consensus and work for international recognition. I don't think that will be the case this time. My guess is that Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al will seek to stamp their xenophobic and conservative views on US society in a way that will not be undone for years. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: ard mhacha Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:51 PM Mick, i`m afraid you are right, Thatcher and her cronies did the same in the UK and there has been no noticeable changearound under Blair. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:58 PM Jeez, greg, sore losers are bad enough; do you have to be a sore winner? clint |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:08 PM The progressive left will rise to the occassion, of that I have no doubts. The Republicrats? Bye bye. The progressive left, very soon won't be listening to you anymore, and the Republican fascists sure as shit ain't gonna talk or listen to you. So you can all whistle "Dixie" as you ride into the sunset. Your days are officially over. Long live Wellstone. Nader in 2008. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:12 PM no not nader nader is nothing but a egomaniac who accepts right wing help to get on the ballots. Barack Obama in 2008. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:14 PM Now there's a good laugh Guest 1:12. They'll run either Edwards or Hilary in 2008. Barak ain't on the horizon until at least 2012. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST,amergin Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:19 PM no, putting hillary on would be suicide in and of itself, because of the stigma her name already carries. In order to win the dems will most likely want an Edwards/Obama ticket. They are the only things going for them right now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Richard Bridge Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:33 PM God help America. God help the rest of the world. And I don't even believe in a single omnipotent being, although I am sort of vaguely theist in general. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:38 PM Well, the omens all predicted a Kerry win. So I guess it's back to the drawing board for the superstitious and the religious, eh? Maybe "God" is trying to tell the Democrats to get a freakin' backbone and start acting like the Democrats who took it to the streets back in the 1960s and early 70s for civil rights, women's rights, environmental justice, an end to class warfare, and to end the war in Vietnam--instead of acquiescing the whole shooting match to the Republican Republicrat wing of the party election after election? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!! From: Louie Roy Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:58 PM For what it is worth let's look back into history.In WW-2 the USA kicked the Japs ass the Germans ass rescued France,Italy, Russia,Spain and several other Europeon countries from the Germans and then gave million of dollars to the Germans and the Japs to rebuild and become a developing country again,but when the USA asked the UN for help fighting terroism all of these countries voted against us and did everything in their power to defeat President Bush in this election.Now just maybe they will get their head out of their ass and support the USA.I was born and raised a Democrat,but their was no way I could vote for Kerry for what he and Jane Fonda pulled in 1970,and in my opinion if it wouldn't have been for Henry Fonda pulling a lot of political strings both of these people would have been arrested and tried for treason as a traitor to the USA.Call me bull headed ,but I haven't watched a Jane Fonda movie since then and I know there are million of veterans from WW-2 Korean War and the Vietam War that feels the same way.I spent 4 years in the service in WW-2 to make sure I or my family didn't have to learn Japaneese or German and I had 3 boys who also served 3 years in the Vietanam coflict. |
