BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 12:12 PM

Have you been fixed yet, Stilly? And how about you, Bruce? I personally think everyone should be taken to a vet and fixed as quickly as possible, right? Much better all around. Too many people anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: *daylia*
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 01:01 PM

Ever lived with a Siamese cat in heat, LH?

Or searched the neighbourhood for Sylvester for days on end, only to discover him half-dead at your door one morning, in desperate need of several hundred dollars worth of repairs at the vet (again)?

Have you ever had to take the box of mewling, starving newborn kittens you found in the ditch to the vet's or the Humane Society?

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 01:14 PM

Alas, Little Hawk, I have been fixed. When the doctor fixed my cancer he fixed me at the same time. It seemed a reasonable exchange.

If you'd ever tried to live in a house with an unaltered cat, you wouldn't be asking that question.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: number 6
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 01:14 PM

If you have no intentions on keeping the cat, at least take it to the SPCA ... that's the least you can do Peace.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: bobad
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 05:31 PM

Is it still snowing out yer way Peace and is it sticking around?

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Peace
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 05:37 PM

It snowed about 2" last night. Melting off as we speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Peace
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 05:40 PM

"Actually they should taste quite nice, even without the 'special ingredient'."

That's true. I had 'em without the peppercorns and they were just fine.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: gnu
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 05:50 PM

Take the poor bugger in lad. I'd do it fer you.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Peace
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 05:52 PM

I probably will. I have never had a cat before. Can you train them to heel? Fetch? Do ya have to walk them?

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: number 6
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:29 PM

"I probably will. I have never had a cat before."

That cat's probably never known a good human before ... is going to kick the crap out of me or is he going to get me some help?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:35 PM

I have lived with a number of un-altered male cats, and none of them presented any real problems, except for one who was an arrogant bastard who refused to obey "the rules" (he peed on things). He eventually moved on. The others were all fine. Perfect gentlemen. We did have one male Siamese who used to beat the shit out of any dog or cat that ventured onto our property, but he was fine with people. He died of a rare blood disease after about 6 years of wrecking havoc on various furred and feathered creatures which foolishly entered our yard. As for the female cats, yes, it is a good idea to "fix" them. No question about that.

Did our male cats father any progeny? Well, I'm sure they were eager to, but there weren't very many available females around most of the time. They'd all been "fixed". ;-)

No cat will smoke marijuana. Not upon ANY excuse. They can't be bribed or persuaded to. This proves that they are basically smarter than humans. (or more tuned in, anyway)

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Peace
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:37 PM

THC suppositories, for the discerning cat.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: number 6
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:58 PM

"They can't be bribed or persuaded to." ... anyone who enduces an animal with a mind altering substance ... should be charged with with undue cruelty to animals.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Peace
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:59 PM

I agree with that. I saw a cat that some asshole gave LSD to. I asked if I could put it down. The owner refused. Thought it was a joke.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 10:41 PM

I think you missed my point, Number 6. ;-) I've never seen anyone offer a cat a toke. Or anything else like that. But if they did...the cat would refuse. Cat's ain't stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: *daylia*
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 07:22 AM

You may be onto something there, LH. I doubt any animal would willingly ingest any kind of smoke.

Then again, I doubt any animal plays the guitar either.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: *daylia*
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 07:35 AM

And then again, lots of animals seem to enjoy nibbling on marijuana plants - deer, rabbits, mice, even the odd (very odd) cat.

Ingesting pot can make one a bit odd though, according to this New Scientist article.

Some studies have suggested long-term cannabis use can increase your risk of developing schizophrenia (New Scientist, 26 March, p 44). Others have linked the drug to milder "schizotypal traits" that include odd, magical beliefs and social paranoia...

The results showed that the majority of people who'd recently used cannabis had schizotypal symptoms before using the drug (Psychiatry Research, vol 134, p 37). Schiffman admits that the limited study "leaves far more questions than answers" - for instance, it gives no clues as to why people with such traits might be attracted to cannabis.

INteresting that scientists have found that highly creative people also show "schizotypal traits". (eccentric quirky behaviour)

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 09:00 AM

Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if my brother's cat had taken a whiff or two...

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: GUEST,The Cat in the Hat
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 10:15 AM

I love to smoke it in a house
I love to smoke it with a mouse
I love to smoke it in the rain
I LOVE my bong - it boings my brain!

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Peace
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 10:50 AM

For anyone who does do illegal substances. Our fiend, George.

If he gets hung up, just tweak him with your mouse.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Peace
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 10:54 AM

Seems I forgot the 'r' in friend. OOPS.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 10:57 AM

"just tweak him with your mouse"--such an understatement of what many would like to do to this sociopath!

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: John Hardly
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 10:58 AM

oh wow, man.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: number 6
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 11:07 AM

That is very good Peace !!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: GUEST,Doobya
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 11:08 AM

Don't make me blow it out my ears too!!

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Peace
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 11:11 AM

From a friend in California who got it from a friend in Switzerland who got it from . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: JennyO
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 11:24 AM

Oh yes! There is something enormously satisfying about that - it certainly beats shooting cats out of cannons! Now I want a John Howard one!

MWUHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA HAHA HA!

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Green Man
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 11:51 AM

Our cats have all really liked pot, its related to catnip (I think) as for use, burning it in a joint is wasteful as the volatiles disperse cooking it into cakes is good as long as you are careful. I could go on a bit about how it fits into receptors in the brain that are a perfect fit. As for using it a lot I never have and I do believe that it has true medicinal properties. I also believe that a lot of people are taken in by black P.R. and disinformation put out by multi nationals that are trying to protect their interests. After all its really up to you to make an adult and educated decision. Here in the UK its been reduced in classification but not legalised. If it were decriminalised completely it would save millions in customs and police time as well as court time.

Anyway its green and made of leves why shouldn't I like it.

I leaves you now. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 12:41 PM

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! Omigod! That is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Ha! Ha! Ha!

Go, George, go! This is better than "Bedtime For Bonzo".


Well, back to the pot and cats issue...Daylia, I am entirely in favour of cats eating marijuana leaves if they want to. In fact, I recommend the eating of marijuana to anyone who really wants to...just not the smoking of it. It's the smoke itself I object to, not the substance or the "getting high" experience in a general sense. Just the smoke. Smoke is bad for my nasal passages, throat, and mucus membranes, and it hurts my eyes. It leaves smelly residue on my clothing and in my hair. I don't like incense much either, for the same reason.

It's a social custom. When people get used to social customs, they take them for granted. I don't take smoking for granted, because I grew up in a nonsmoking home. You really notice these things when you don't take them for granted.

After all, dogs love to roll in shit and dead bodies, don't they? They think it's great, and they take it for granted. We don't. We think they stink when they do that. We kick them outta the house or throw them in the tub. Well...that's what happens when you don't take stuff for granted. It may seem quite bothersome, senseless, unexplainable, and downright awful.

It's all a question of perception, based on past experience... ;-)

(And DON'T bring Bob Dylan's voice into this! If you do, I will be forced to make certain comments regarding Neil Young's vocal abilities.)

(that was a joke)

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 12:51 PM

Catnip is in the mint family (Menthaceae, also called Lamiaceae, used to be call Labiatae)

Cannabis is in the hemp family (Cannabaceae)

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: *daylia*
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 01:11 PM

They think it's great, and they take it for granted.

O anthropomorphic one of all anthropomorphic ones    :-D    I think dogs don't think about it, they just go right ahead and "camoflauge" their own scent by rolling in stinkier stuff. It's a protective, instinctive, survival behaviour. And it stinks all round, I agree!

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: *daylia*
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 01:33 PM

PS ....I am entirely in favour of cats eating marijuana leaves if they want to. In fact, I recommend the eating of marijuana to anyone who really wants to...just not the smoking of it

LH, eating cannabinoids gives more of a "body stone", less of a "head stone". Every muscle feels so HEAVY, feels like it's twitching and rippling uncontrollably.   ugggh ... to each their own though ....

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Peace
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 01:43 PM

I had a dog named Ginger who used to roll in dead fish. Then he hated to be bathed. He knew the word bath and would scramble all over everywhere not to get caught and washed. Last I saw him he was doing something indecent to a garbage can. Horniest dog I ever owned. Couch arms, legs, trees, name it. He has been dead these past 48 years, but he still lives in my memory.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: frogprince
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 03:33 PM

About "bouncing George"; didja notice that you can hook him by the nape of his scrawny little neck on your cursor arrow and dangle him there?

Way back when, on the farm, our two dogs trotted into the yard looking kinda like they'd been tarred, and smelling like nothing this side of hell. A neighbor had towed a dead hog out by the line fence, it had decomposed right down to sludge, and the dogs had totally rolled in it.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Peace
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 05:34 PM

That had to have been a new odor sensation. GAWD.

I fought a fire in a hao barn once. Even with the BA mask--whew! All of us who did entry had to wash our gear afterwards. It was the gift that kept on giving.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 05:47 PM

Yeah. That's dogs for you. I don't think they do it to disguise their own scent, I think they do it because they downright LOVE it! I mean, you can tell they love it. You want to please a dog? Wrap up some fresh shit or week-old roadkill for him and give it to him on his birthday. Dogs are filthy by nature, and they love it.

Anyway, there's no point disguising a fairly mild bad smell with a bad smell that is so strong that it could melt a brick wall...

What is the dog's prospective prey going to think? "Hmmm. There appears to be a bunch of shit and decaying bodies coming this way. Hmmm. Gee. I wonder how that could be? Should I be concerned about this? Hmmm...."

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: frogprince
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 06:24 PM

My sister's little mixed breed has never had the chance to get that raunchy, but sometimes she (the dog, that is) gets a little too affectionate. I was reading some, conversing some, and suddenly the dogs tongue was in my mouth further than any human female's has ever been. My sis trotted out the old line about dogs having cleaner mouths than humans do. Well, yeah, maybe, if the humans you know like to nibble shit and roadkill.
Having said that, I've always liked dogs. For too many years it just hasn't made sense (mainly for the dog's sake) for us to keep one ourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: number 6
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 09:55 PM

"Wrap up some fresh shit or week-old roadkill for him and give it to him on his birthday."

Jeeezuz H. !!! That's dizguZting L.J ... what's going through yer head .... you smoking some of that shit today?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: harpmolly
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 10:12 PM

Peace...that is awesomely disturbing. Although after about ten minutes I simultaneously started feeling a little sorry for the poor guy (he looks so forlorn and ridiculous) and also feeling a bit nauseous. Probably because of the aforementioned feeling. *grin*

M

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 01:28 PM

Only cure for that is to go roll in some dead fish.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 01:31 PM

Naw...I don't smoke anything, but I know dogs! They're lovable, but filthy.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 08:47 PM

Here's a dog story...

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: frogprince
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 09:38 PM

Foolestroupe, I betcha Buster smoked too much pot as a puppy.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 09:54 PM

But he was brought up with a nice Police Family....

ooooooooooooooooo....

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 09:56 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 12:22 AM

Just heard on the radio that a new study shows there is a lower rate of cancer among pot smokers. This study will play havoc with those that have opposed the medical use of marijuana on the grounds that inhalation of smoke of any kind is bad for you.

(They used to put asthma sufferers in a tent filled with pot smoke to relax them so that they could breathe freely again).

Many more studies are needed but for now, it is obvious that pot is not the demon we once thought it was.

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 06:26 AM

Ah, so the house across the road from us was not a MaryJoanna farm, but a pharmacy!

Wonder if the cops realised that when they busted it last month....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 06:51 AM

Morning Liz,
             Are you in pursuit of the 100th perchance?

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:08 AM

Trouble is you never get a balanced debate on the dangers/merits of pot. On one side you have the converts, often hippies, on the other you have the 'straights' who have never even smoked it, so how can they possibly comment?
There is growing evidence to show a link between cannabis use and psychotic illness. I believe this is true. I had a psychotic episode followed by a breakdown 15 years ago, which I am convinced was linked to smoking dope. I now rarely smoke it. Sometimes I am ok with it, other times it makes me paranoid and jumpy.
As for the person who said 'no calories' as a good point about cannabis - what about the bloody 'munchies' it gives you, which makes you raid the fridge?? Thats another reason I don't smoke it - it can make you fat!

Subject: RE: BS: Mythbuster: Pot and brain health
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:26 AM

I don't smoke dope, but I know a hell of a lot of people who do. All it seems to do is make them lethargic, apathetic, lazy and in some cases, paranoid. Enjoy!