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R.I.P. MUDCAT
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Subject: RIP MUDCAT From: GUEST Date: 10 Dec 05 - 11:11 AM Jumbled up order of postings, missing posts at the start of threads, it's all a total mess. Good while it lasted, but of no value any longer. Sad, but true. |
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Subject: RE: RIP MUDCAT From: wysiwyg Date: 10 Dec 05 - 11:13 AM That's odd-- I still find it a very useful and useful resource. Guest, I am sorry you are sad! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: RIP MUDCAT From: George Papavgeris Date: 10 Dec 05 - 11:15 AM Bye then, GUEST |
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Subject: RE: RIP MUDCAT From: Georgiansilver Date: 10 Dec 05 - 11:21 AM So Guest, what are you still doing here. Great source of music/lyrics...good place to find out non-music things...good place to air ones views....I enjoy coming here. Go if you are unhappy with it friend....or can you just not go?....if you go will you still come back?....mmmmm...I guess we won't know anyway as you don't have a real identity do you. Agh well, just come or go as you please. Best wishes and hope you find your 'bag' elsewhere. Mike |
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Subject: RE: RIP MUDCAT From: Dave Earl Date: 10 Dec 05 - 11:34 AM Did you ever sign up Guest? As others have said many of us find it very useful and often a bit of fun. There was a major crash some time ago but that has been mostly sorted out. Sorry you are peeved. Goodbye. Dave Earl |
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Subject: RE: RIP MUDCAT From: gnu Date: 10 Dec 05 - 12:37 PM When I saw the thread title, I thought you were gonna rip Mudcat but then I find constructive criticism. I am sure the volunteers who give great effort to the Café appreciate same and will address your concerns post haste, pun intended. Don't go away sad. Rejoice in the fact that you have done your good deed for the day and go away. Sigh. I remember the good old days... when anonymous trolls were more inventive with their crap, er, craft. Ah, Freudian stoop. Sorry, couldn't resist. |
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Subject: RE: RIP MUDCAT From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Dec 05 - 01:25 PM Well, the jumbled up order of postings and missing posts at the start of threads are the same issue. The first messages aren't missing - they're just out of order. You can find the first post of a pre-crash thread by looking for the message that doesn't have RE: in the subject line. If you want to view the messages in order, click the "printer-friendly" link at the top of the thread. We have intentionally avoided making efforts to reorganize threads into their proper order because we're working on a way to put them ALL in order and also give us more stability. If we were to unscramble some thread, a complete repair would then rescramble them. So, I ask for patience. We still have some hurdles to cross that are beyond our control. But yeah, I'm frustrated by the threadscrambling, too. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: open mike Date: 10 Dec 05 - 01:27 PM well, all the posts in this thread are in chronological order, so that problem is not happening any longer..it did happen once, but that was yesterday and yesterday's gone. good bye--we will miss you. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Donuel Date: 10 Dec 05 - 01:28 PM I guest that this site would present problems for the anal retentives of the world. MUDCAT IT ain't flashy but it does run deep. |
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Subject: RE: RIP MUDCAT From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Dec 05 - 01:44 PM The thread scrambling was a one-time thing that happened during our Big Crash in the summer. Messages posted after the Crash will be in chronological order. I can't really figure out the logic in the scrambling - some threads appear to have been unharmed, and the scrambled order of the others doesn't really seem to have taken a sensible pattern. Did they scramble in random order, or is there a Deeper Wisdom in the scrambling? Enquiring Minds want to know. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: DMcG Date: 10 Dec 05 - 01:55 PM Of course there is a Deeper Meaning: it's a larger-scale version of the Thread Game that been running for years. The idea is to find two posts together that not directly related to each other but make some amusing partnership. Of course, it takes much longer to play than the 'quicky' Thread Game.... |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Jeri Date: 10 Dec 05 - 01:56 PM Guest's granny better watch out if she ever forgets where she's left her glasses! Granny: "But, GUESTkins, dear, I don't want to get into that hole. I'm not dead!" GUEST: "Stop complaining, Gran - I've already had the Obit printed." |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: greg stephens Date: 10 Dec 05 - 02:21 PM Trolls are not what they were in the old days, are they? |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Mo the caller Date: 10 Dec 05 - 02:58 PM why didn't you tell us how to unscramble the threads in a separarte thread (well maybe you did somewhen). It might make a party game "guess who said what first" |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 10 Dec 05 - 02:58 PM Yes, They're exactly WHAT they were. They're just not as good at it. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: katlaughing Date: 10 Dec 05 - 03:08 PM This thread should be closed. I wish no one had risen to the bait. May it be scrambled, baked, shaken, and fried! |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Peace Date: 10 Dec 05 - 03:26 PM Goodbye, GUEST. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Dec 05 - 03:27 PM Aw, it's OK, Kat. The scambling of threads IS frustrating. Much of life is frustrating, and maybe it's a reasonable idea to express that frustration once in a while. Trouble is, then people want to dump blame on the apparent source of the frustration. The answer to the blame, of course, is found in aphorisms. "Shit happens" might be a good one. The nuns in grade school used to make it sound nicer: "Offer it up for the Poor Souls in Purgatory." But basically, the answer is that we'll get it fixed when we're able to get it fixed, and we're not able to do it yet in the way we want to do it - and if that's unacceptable, offer it up for the Poor Souls... (I think the nuns were really telling us to fuck off, but they had such a nice way of saying it). -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Once Famous Date: 10 Dec 05 - 03:33 PM Guest, Mudcat has some value. For me, it's the ability to call you a douche bag because you think it is dead. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Peace Date: 10 Dec 05 - 03:33 PM LOL |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: gnu Date: 10 Dec 05 - 03:35 PM kat... closed? Nay... this is the kind of thread which Spaw would love. A chance for the ultimate 'Cat to play with the ultimate mouse... the troll. Remember the eminem thread? A bunch of 'Cats just having a laugh.... all incited by a meaningless troll. Either you don't respond, or you laugh. Either way, it's all great. Sometimes, late at night, I wonder if He created trolls just to test our sense of humour. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: GUEST,Nancy King at work Date: 10 Dec 05 - 03:52 PM Well, this thread certainly has been useful to me, at least, because it told me how to see threads unscrambled (never occurred to me to click on "printer-friendly" for that purpose), and led me to the useful "Little-Known Features" thread, which I hadn't seen before. Thanks! Nancy |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Peace Date: 10 Dec 05 - 04:52 PM I will try that in future, Nancy. Didn't know until you mentioned that. I have just been looking at the dates of the posts--until now, that is. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Dec 05 - 04:58 PM You never seem to get to the end of the Mudcat's little surprises. I like that. I even like the time-warp effect when you read an old thread and find the answers coming in in advance of the questions. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 10 Dec 05 - 05:23 PM Guest - When you get your better website started please let us know so we can come for a visit and check it out. Thanks |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Gurney Date: 10 Dec 05 - 09:58 PM As Wesley said, except don't bother to start one, just find a better one and tell us. Mudcat will post a link, I'm sure. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Peace Date: 10 Dec 05 - 10:15 PM Don't ask GUEST to do the impossible. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Liz the Squeak Date: 11 Dec 05 - 05:35 AM Oh Joe - we used to have a fanatically non swearing, non drinking (non anything fun really) member of our church.... in her worst moments of frustration she would just draw her breath in for a few seconds and then say "Well Bless You" in the tone of voice that you KNOW means she was saying a bad word.... I think your 'offer it up to the Poor Souls' was an early version of 'talk to the hand'..... and it's one I shall steal and offer up to the arrogant little sh!t in the office who sits opposite me and witters on about nothing work related all day. LTS |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: GUEST,Jon Date: 11 Dec 05 - 05:36 AM There was one thing about the big crash. As far as I know going by the first restore, MC had not been backed up in 6 months, hence the need to work on a corrupted disk. I do confess to losing data myself at the annexe but I was asking my ISP to restore ftp to enable me to back up so it was not lack of effort on my part. Folkinfo is backed up not just by me but my someone else. We lost nothing there when my ISP did a runner. LEsson I guess is always back up. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Mooh Date: 11 Dec 05 - 06:06 AM Sure are lots of folks named Guest around here. Are they all related? Inbred? Are THEY all in order? Just curious. Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Mooh Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:25 AM My last comment was directed at Guest who started this thread, not Jon, to whom I apologize. But my point remains, "the value of Mudcat" threads get tiresome after a while, even and especially when started by a troll. Feeding them, as I've just done, doesn't help either I suppose, but what the hell. Stop crapping in our nest! Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:34 AM ... or, at least, stop nesting in our crap! |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Leadfingers Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:40 AM There is a VAST difference between GUEST who remains anonymous and GUEST who does add a name ! The only problem is that ANYONE can add whatever name they like to GUEST , and so cause someone else to get the blame for THEIR Claptrap ! |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Jeri Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:04 AM Mooh, there have also been an awful lot of good and caring, if overly sensitive, over-protective, knee-jerking, offense-taking, can't-get-past-it, can't-let-it-go and just-HAVE-to-say-something souls who generously share their thoughts with all the other nice people who may or may not see through the thin layer of 'concern' to the 'I'm better than you, nyah, nyah' stuff that fuels their posting. People sometimes post out of anger because they feel personally hurt that Mudcat isn't way they think it should. Ask me whether I'm talking about the 'R.I.P.' thread starter or those having a react-o-fest to him/her. The answer would be 'yes'. It's a losing battle if I thought I or anyone else could influence people to be compassionate and considerate of those who read what they write. The community feel of the place has been gone for a while now, gone the way of the random acts of kindness that happened once in a while, the gatherings in people's homes, the song challenges, the good feelings. Now we've got debates and argument, protestations by the offended, one-upmanship and one-line-at-a-time chat-like droppings where writers once offered works of beauty that perhaps took longer than seconds to create. Most of the writers have gone off to more inspirational places, or they've just gone before they started hanging around in threads like this one. Every once in a while though, they blow back in like a pilgrim wind, wearing threadbare trenchcoats or hand-knit sweaters, and they flash us a bit of the naked soul beneath. For now, that's worth it for me. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: number 6 Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:08 AM ""the value of Mudcat" threads get tiresome after a while, even and especially when started by a troll. Feeding them, as I've just done, doesn't help either I suppose, but what the hell. Stop crapping in our nest!" Very well said Mooh ... and what you said here pretty well sums up this thread. sIx |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Big Mick Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:38 AM Spirit of community is long since gone? Were you at a different Getaway than I was? Geez, if the spirit of warmth and friendship is gone, who were these people in my house? Mudcat isn't dead or even ill. It has changed, to be sure. But there are far too many people wanting to get together, come to Getaway, making friends, for it to be dead. Hell, even the ones that I argue heatedly with, are people I want to meet. I can travel almost anywhere in the world and have folks that I have long "known" to make friends with and stay with. If that isn't community, I don't know what is. Don't confuse a software glitch with the death of the spirit. It is here, battered a bit, but here none the less. Don't believe it? Read the current support thread for our own Catspaw. You naysayers are wrong. Some of you surprise and disappoint me. The troll that started this is just someone with a sick agenda. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: John MacKenzie Date: 11 Dec 05 - 10:26 AM It is difficult to know where to draw the line, as Joe Offer says what do we do? I would be tempted to delete all negative non folk-related threads like this one, but I'm sure certain people would be up in arms if that happened. Moderating any site is a difficult set of 'will I?', 'won't I?' decisions, and we have all seen threads deleted and then re-instated, which unless it was deleted accidentally is hard to understand sometimes. It's a bit like digging a murdered body up, just so's we can shot it dead all over again. We do keep picking at this particular scab and making it bleed again, and I suspect we always will. Go pick your guitars and your banjos, and leave the Cat to heal. Giok |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: NH Dave Date: 11 Dec 05 - 12:39 PM I have been on and off Mudcat for a number of years and find it to be a labor of love for the people who make it available to us, and post learned answers to our questions almost before the electrons have dried on our question. It has been an invaluable source of musical knowledge and interesting postings, and I treasure it, warts and all. Guest, as others have posted, why don't you set up your own web site and let US criticize YOUR work! Dave |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Dec 05 - 12:55 PM Mudcat's intentionally nameless Guests? They are always out of order. That's not a bad namne for them actually - "Mings" |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Big Al Whittle Date: 11 Dec 05 - 02:23 PM You know that Les Barker poem where the polar bear goes up to the shipping office after The Titanic, and says "have you got any news of the iceberg, me family were all on there and they meant the whole world to me........" well it very funny, and some of you won't have heard of it. and while theres still nice things to be discovered in the world of folksingers and singer songwriters and writers.....well Mudcat's future is safe. the informed media journalists are really bloody useless to a man. their finger is only on the pulse of the rubbish that gets into the mainstream.. so guest can sod off and bugger up someones else's christmas party. I hear the Macbeths' are giving a do.... |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Peace Date: 11 Dec 05 - 02:28 PM There are still threads for the folks who wish to write. There's an Erudition thread, MOAB thread--there are threads for those who wish to write. There are also thread for those who wish to comment, however briefly. That's as it should be, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: JohnInKansas Date: 11 Dec 05 - 02:32 PM I guest that this site would present problems for the anal retentives of the world. No, Donuel. I still find it helpful, interesting, and of very great value. John |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Dec 05 - 03:20 PM And even if the old posts ARE out of order, people are always free to make a request in a new thread. If the answer lies in an old thread, chances are one of us devotees will be able to find it using our various and sundry magical powers. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Jeri Date: 11 Dec 05 - 07:04 PM Peace, thanks. I never would have thought to look in the MOAB. Or maybe I did consider it, and was petrified I'd accidentally try to open the whole thread and my computer would launch itself sideways into another dimension. The reactions to the initial complaint are a bit out of proportion, but so are the reactions to the cookieless nature of the person. Mudcat dead? A quick "Oh no it's not" would have sufficed, I think. JohnInKansas, THAT was funny! |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Peace Date: 11 Dec 05 - 07:09 PM I don't look in the MOAB. Because it takes forever to load. But every now an then, even on threads like this, someone writes something beautiful--just as you did above. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Jeri Date: 11 Dec 05 - 07:27 PM Peace, click on the little 'd', and you'll get the last page of 50 posts, backwards. And: aw, shucks. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: GUEST,Ice man Date: 11 Dec 05 - 07:42 PM I love polar bears anyway! |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: pdq Date: 11 Dec 05 - 08:41 PM ...in Frisco they're usually bi-polar... |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: GUEST Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:04 PM If you say that too loud they'll be shot. |
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Subject: RE: R.I.P. MUDCAT From: Elmer Fudd Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:56 PM Especially if they hear you call San Francisco "Frisco." |
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