BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 03:10 PM

So, Don, you think that people opposed to the present administration should be ignored, and not be able to request investigations???



Then you obviously had a problem with liberals during the Bush administration, bringing up all sorts of accusaions. They should have been shut up and ignored, according to YOUR standards.



Don: "Despite the AP story that BB posted, AP also reported that J. Christian Adams refused to talk to them, but he did talk to Fox News"

AP Article: "Adams declined to speak with The Associated Press on Thursday. He told Fox News earlier..."

So the point of your comment was to show you CAN read????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 04:02 PM

BB, it's obvious that you're not interested in a reasonable discussion, you just answer any opposing viewpoint by being snotty.

Very telling.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 05:15 PM

The issue has been discussed. Most of those posting agree that there really is no issue. Please feel free to disagree - but I won't be here to read it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 05:19 PM

Yeah, and alot of Obama's DOJ holdovers are the same peope who had to all but swear an oath to love Bush forever and be against abortion and taxes and, and... in order to get their jobs from Bush???

And as for Obama's people??? Hundreds of appointments are being held up by the Repubs so it ain't all that easy to become an "Obama's people" without having to cowtie to the knothead Repubs in Congress???

This minority rule is getting a little old...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 05:36 PM

Bruce started an earlier thread on "Obama's" TSA (Transportation Safety Administration) to match this one on "Obama's" DOJ (Department of Justice). They keep trying, but Presidents really have limited ability to affect the operations of government agencies.
The Reagan Administration appointed political commissars at the regional office level of most agencies, and subsequent presidents retained at least some of these political positions. Eventually, we learned how to ignore the commissars. Even the cabinet members who are supposed to direct agencies, have relatively little effect on the independence of civil service bureaucrats - the people who actually know how to do the work.

It's true that the Bush Administration attempted to politicize the Civil Rights Office of the Department of Justice, but it was only partly successful in this effort. I used to work on assignments for the DOJ Civil Rights Office - they're a pretty good organization. It seems to me that the Philadelphia situation in question, had been one of those Bush Administration attempts to use the agency for political purposes. The Black Panthers' actions were certainly not as threatening as the demonstrators carrying rifles outside an arena where Obama was speaking. Prosecution of the non-violent Black Panther demonstration was beyond the moderate, non-political stance the Civil Rights Office has traditionally taken.


So, the speak of "Obama's TSA" or "Obama's DOJ" (Department of Justice) is a misconception. Government agencies are not political puppets. For the most part, they carry out the laws enacted by Congress - not the petty whims of politicians. But the politicians still keep trying.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Ref
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 06:41 PM

This is a bunch of crap.   The only mistake the Dems made here was not to announce on day one that they'd be reviewing the records of every lawyer hired under Bush AG's, with a particular interest in weeding out the Regency University, Liberty University, and Patrick Henry College grads.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 09:24 PM

Thank you, ref... Me thinks that there are one shitload of GS-15s and up who had to pledge to love George Bush until the day he dies to get the jobs they now have... The Civil Rights prosecutors ain't nuthin' but a blip on the corrupt hiring practices that the Bush/Cheney regime used...

I mean, look at Iraq... They hired a 20 something kid to run the Iraqi stock markets who had no experience in anything other than being a loyal anti-abortion, anti-tax Republican cookie-cutter foot soldier...

I think it is a grave mistake to think that the government that Bush left were all these wonderfully qualified people, other than a handfull of federal prosecutors... That's bull... After 9/11 it was Katie0bar-the-door for the US government getting packed with right winged idealogues... And guess what??? They are still there and will be until they retire!!! So when very stuipd things happen by these underqualifued people it's pathetic to have the Bushites here bal;me it on Obama... Bush left enough ticking time-bombs in our governemnt to last us a life time of bad shit happening...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 09:47 PM

It has all the earmarks of a Machiavellian ploy.

If you do get turfed out of office, be sure that you've left enough crap-traps behind that the next administration gets blamed for the doings of the previous administration. That way, you have a better chance of getting back in in the next election.

Replaces poison and dagger-thrusts in dark hallways, which, in these enlightened (??) days, are much too obvious and are generally frowned upon.

Elementary, my dear Borgia. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 10 - 08:49 AM

Well, all one needs to do is look at the Supreme Court to see just just how Bush boobie-trapped the next administration... And the country, fir that matter...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 10:41 PM

Okay...tonight the story finally made the LIBERAL news media...
(oh...do remember that *I* said 4 days ago:)

"...I think we may not be getting all of the story. Faux News is not exactly renowned for mentioning all of the details."

here is one explanation, which jibes with the basic facts noted on Keith Olbermann's program, where he noted that Bill O'Reilly was, "as we speak" still pushing the Fox version.

Long & short is in this quote from the above source: (more there)

"The decision not to file a criminal case occurred before Obama was even in office.

This means that the case was downgraded to a civil case 11 days before Obama was inaugurated, 26 days before Eric Holder became attorney general, and about nine months before Thomas Perez was confirmed as head of the Civil Rights Division.

From Media Matters:

# Adams has admitted that he does not have first-hand knowledge of the events, conversations, and decisions that he is citing to advance his accusations;
# The Bush administration's Justice Department — not the Obama administration — made the decision not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged voter intimidation at a polling center in Philadelphia in 2008;
# The Obama administration successfully obtained default judgment against Samir Shabazz, a member of the New Black Panther Party carrying a nightstick outside the Philadelphia polling center on Election Day 2008;
# The Bush administration DOJ chose not to pursue similar charges against members of the Minutemen, one of whom allegedly carried a weapon while harassing Hispanic voters in Arizona in 2006;
# No voters have come forward to claim that they were intimidated from voting on account of the New Black Panthers standing outside the polling center in 2008;

So, no matter how many times J. Christian Adams declares that the Obama administration refuses to protect the rights of white people — and no matter how many times Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh repeat it — it's not true."

And THAT is why, Bruce, there was such 'deafening silence' while you waited for we **Liberals** to gasp and quiver at 'our' DOJ's failure to 'do something' and why the trumped up charge "... that Obama's DOJ has a policy of NOT pursuing any Civil Rights case where the victim is white, and the accused is black. And it is lying to Congress about it." is simply nonsense.

I repeat, from 4 days ago....Can YOU say "spin"?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 10:51 PM

Ya' know what, Bill???

'Ol Bobert gonna tell ya' so listen up...

(Bobert whispers)

"Between you and me, there are alot of people out there (and some here) who is, ahhhh... (Anyone listenin'???) Deviod of any ability to see, ahhhh, reality"

(Purdy scarey, ain't it, folks???)

((Not to the delussional, Bobz...)

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 11:00 PM

Thomas Jefferson said that the survival of democracy depends on a well-informed electorate.

Sometimes I'm afraid that we are doomed!

(Way to go, BB!)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 11:16 PM

I am beginning to suspect, Don, that 'information overload' may be involved. When hundreds of 'sources' can just copy & paste the same mis-information, it has become a lot of work to dig thru the hype to sort out the truth..(and find the parts left out).

Also on the show tonight was the FULL story of the couple who posed as pimp & prostitute to allegedly trap ACORN staffers into illegal acts. Yes...they edited the tape, and the full tape shows the ACORN staffer pumped the fakes for info, then called the police and reported them. But, of course, ACORN was hounded into quitting before all the "spun" news could be clarified. Throw enough mud, and your opponents may not be able to shower 9 times a day.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 11:23 PM

Interesting theory, Bill...

The righties used to be lefties but carrying all them , ahhhh, facts hurt their head so bad that their heads shut down leaving them back where they atarted out???

Interesting...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jul 10 - 11:40 PM

No...the righties didn't used to be lefties. They just now have thousands of folks doing C&P of rightie propaganda...fueled by Fox News as the most visible source creating skewed and faked information... and it makes what used to be just silly rumors into an entire **belief system**! It has turned "old wives tales" and nutty theories into full-fledged, systematic lying to influence the lazy and impressionable who already WANT to believe bad stuff about the government.

   Someone said tonight, "...the nuts used to write us letters on red typewriter ribbons in ALL CAPS! Now they have their own websites!"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,redhorse at work
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 08:47 AM

Bill has got it right, but I don't think it's anything to do with lefties or righties.

I have for some time had the feeling that in some areas there is an unwarranted respect for citation. If I say as my personal opinion, "Obama is an idiot" my view will be accepted or rejected as appropriate. But if I cut and paste an article from wherever that says "Obama is an idiot", there is an expectation that this view should be taken more seriously, purely by virtue of the fact that it has been published by someone else.

It seems to stem from an idea that if you can get something published, you must be an authority worthy of respect. I doubt this was true even in the golden age of newspapers. In the age of the internet, it's palpable nonsense.

nick

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 08:51 AM

I kinda go the other way, nick... I assume that all cut 'n post are lies, left or right... I'd much rather hear someone say what's on his or her mind based on their knowledge and past/present experiences... That's why I don't read cut 'n posts and I'm sure lotta other just scroll thru 'um as well...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,redhorse at work
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 09:37 AM

Agreed, Bobert.

If an arguments's not good enough to stand up on its own merits without the bogus authority of citation, why should I bother to read it?

nick

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 09:57 AM

Thomas Jefferson said that the survival of democracy depends on a well-informed electorate.

Probably why funding for education has been consistently cut across the board in Repuiblican administrations from Reagan thru Baby Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 01:58 PM

In high school back in the late 1940s, I had a year of World History, followed by a full year of American History, followed in turn by a semester of Civics (the Constitution, a survey of various political and economic theories, a touch of ethics). These courses were required for graduation.

Is any of that being taught at all anymore!??

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 03:19 PM

I don't think so, Don, except in college... But college is the new high school... And postgrad work is like the old college... Everything has been dumbed down a few notches... We are moving into a "Brave New World" where the Epsilons makeup the majority of the voters...

Kinda what I have referred to an "Epsilon Nation"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Ref
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 05:16 PM

This whole "story" about the NBPP and the Obama administration has now been de-bunked. The decision not to prosecute was made before Obama took office. Gotta love the instant credibility these embedded Republican liars get from the so-called "liberal media!"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 05:34 PM

The current requirement for graduation from high school in Albuquerque is U.S. History, 1 year; World History, 1 year; New Mexico History, 1 semester; Government, 1 semester and Economics, 1 semester. I make no claims for the quality of the material presented or for the level of understanding that students bring out of it...but that really is as it has always been.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 05:47 PM

Bobert is right.

In my father's generation (he was born in 1901)graduation from elementary school meant something; it made you eminently employable.

A generation later (mine; I was born in 1935) completing high school was what you needed to successfully enter the job market.

Today, a college degree, while still necessary, is not enough in itself to ensure that you will succeed in your chosen field. A Master's is considered the minimum for many positions.

When we all get to put Ph.D behind our names, what will it worth, and where do we go from there?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 06:02 PM

Is any of that being taught at all anymore!??

No.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 06:31 PM

GregF, it is ALL being taught in Albuquerque, as I said an hour ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 10:30 PM

"But college is the new high school..."

         I thing Bobert is probably right about this, but why has it come to this. I can recall trying to fill in for teachers--yes, I know, that's pretty pointless--but the curriculum had been dumbed down in high school to what I recalled covering in grade school.
         It seems to me that one of the by-products of the cultural revolution of the 1960's was the beginning of the push to teach to the "lowest common denominator," at which point everyone else in the class is bored.
         The first step in finding a solution is to identify the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: DougR
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 04:09 PM

The most interesting thing about this thread is so many are willing to express an opinion without knowing much about the subject. It's the same with chief critics of Arizona's SB1070.

Things just don't change do they?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 04:16 PM

The subject? WHICH subject? I detect several in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 06:19 PM

The fact is that the situation BB is pissing and moaning about, and blaming on Obama, occurred during the Bush administration.

Listening to Fox News will rot your brain. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: DougR
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 06:25 PM

But the questionable action taken by the DOJ took place under the Obama administration!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 06:48 PM

GregF, it is ALL being taught in Albuquerque, as I said an hour ago.

Except, Art, if I may quote you:

quote: "I make no claims for the quality of the material presented or for the level of understanding that students bring out of it"

So exactly what IS being taught in Albuquerque then? Get back to us on that, will ya?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 07:02 PM

By a Bush appointee, Doug.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 07:37 PM

"By a Bush appointee, Doug."

Yep... and give us another 6 or more years, Doug, and we'll get rid of most of those making those 'questionable' decisions, and get a team in there with some sane direction... *grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 07:43 PM

Problem with most Bush appointees: their main qualifications were that they were anti-abortion and swore to love Bush as long as he shall live... Not much else required...

Problem with most Obama appointees: Republican Senators have put arbitrary and secret holds on them getting confirmed and on the job...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 09:19 PM

Listening to Fox News will rot your brain. . . .

And you don't have to look any further than Douggie-Boy for conclusive proof.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 10:48 PM

Yeah, Greg... I loves Dougie... I really do... But between you and me he's got this little problem with his thinkerator so let's just be kind to him... (wink, wink...)... I mean, the boy can't help hisseff... That a bad thing but, hey??? Could be me or you... Right???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 06:32 AM

Could be me or you... Right???

If I ever got that brain-dead I hope I'd have the common decency to shoot myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 08:12 AM

That's the problem, Greg... By the time ya get that far gone you ain't gotta nuff sense left to shoot yerself...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 04:26 PM

"The Obama administration initially pursued the case, winning a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panther members did not appear in court. But then the administration moved to dismiss the charges the following month"


It appears that Bush was in office a lot longer than I thought- here it is MAY 2009, and he is still in charge...


Or maybe the propaganda on the left hasn't got the facts correct.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 04:27 PM

Don,

"The fact is that the situation BB is pissing and moaning about, and blaming on Obama, occurred during the Bush administration.
"

So Bush is still the president????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 10:53 PM

Troll is as Troll does.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 12:22 AM

Read more carefully, BB. And try thinking a bit.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 11:27 AM

Do note that, even as a civil case, this is about the "New Black Panther Party" which seems to consist of about 3 guys.

No matter what Faux News tries to suggest, this is not a big issue. They are 'connecting dots' that are not naturally connected and which this J. Christian Adams, a VERY far-right activist, was using to try to fan almost dead embers into flames.

That bone has been chewed and found tasteless, Bruce...don't wear your teeth out on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 12:01 PM

I think its 4 guys, Bill, but one is only part-time.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 12:07 PM

GregF: I am not a high school student, nor do I plan on returning to high school any time in the near future, so I cannot rationally comment on the quality of the presentation by teachers or the level of retention. Your comment, to which I responded, was "Is any of that being taught at all anymore!??...No." For that matter, I am equally unable to comment on the quality or the student retention of the instruction you received, lo these many years ago. :>)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 12:27 PM

Don,

THINKING, the case was dropped in MAY,2009 and you claim it was dropped under the Bush admnistration.

YOU need to read more carefully.


BillD et al:

So when BLACKS are threatened and turned away by white supremicists at the polls, you have no problem with them NOT being prosecuted under the law if they are only "about three ( or four) guys"??

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 01:24 PM

I have no problem with appropriate action being taken...and it was.

# The Obama administration successfully obtained default judgment against Samir Shabazz, a member of the New Black Panther Party carrying a nightstick outside the Philadelphia polling center on Election Day 2008

(read the REST of my post in bold back up there, and quit flogging that poor horse...it's dead)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 02:05 PM

Obtuse?
Thy name is Bruce.

Hey...It rhymes.....whaddaya' think? Kinda' short and the meter could be better but I've read worse.....and it IS factual!!!


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's DOJ plays race card (opinion thread)
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 02:42 PM

Hey...you could change your name to "Sitsaroundverse"

and 100