BS: Are all bigots male?

Subject: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 07:37 AM

Is bigotry a strictly male preserve?

Are there no female bigots?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 07:40 AM

Word Web gives:
BIGOT
A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 07:53 AM

In this as in all things, the male embraces the female and vice versa.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: *daylia*
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 07:53 AM

Abraham bigot Isaac. Isaac bigot Jacob. And Jacob bigot quite the Shambles ....

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 07:58 AM

Was Thatcher a bloke then?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:00 AM

In this as in all things, the male embraces the female and vice versa.

Surely the definition could be -

A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from THEIR own?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: *daylia*
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:39 AM

A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own often fails to complete his own Shambling(s).

(Actually, Shambles, that last sentence fragment should read "Prejudiced people who are intolerant of any opinions ..." ANd regarding "In this as in all things, the male embraces the female and vice versa" -- only when he's earned it!)

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:46 AM

One who holds a creed or opinion in an obstinate narrow-minded way, and is innaccessible to all reason in respect of it

One sign of a bigot is an inability to recognize when the cap fits, so they can wear it.

Actually I've never come across "bigot" used as a specifically male-directed term. Bigots come in all sexes, colours and political and other orientations. The most uncomfortable are the ones who are lined up on your own side in a dispute, but make you wish they were on the other side.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:49 AM

yes

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:55 AM

Nope.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 09:03 AM

Frankly, Roger, your history here makes me wonder what point you are after proving, now, without telling us first how you plan to use our words in support of some position you advocate.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: MaineDog
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 09:12 AM

Yes. However, some females are "discerning"
MD

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 10:20 AM

"Are all bigots male?"

Not remotely

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 10:45 AM

Yes. Female bigots are biguettes.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 10:49 AM

how would you know Liz? You're not bigotted enough to have a valid bigotted opinion on this subject.

whereas I am a male bigot and we men, we just understand these things instinctively. that's what makes us bigotted. anybody who disagrees is.... is just bigotted. and isn't that so typical of bloody men...? Thery're all bigotted.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 10:56 AM

No, all bigots are definitely not male. In the real world (where I work)most of my workmates are bemused rather than disgusted by, for instance,gay partnership agreements whereas one female told me she hoped men who died from AIDS went "screaming in agony".
Another younger girl who definitely subscribes to a sort of 90s/60s lifestyle also subscribes to a "Send the buggers home" attitude to well, anybody not white and English.
Two examples, but the baddies are always more vehement and agressive than we Goodies.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Amos
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 11:06 AM

Look up Susu's posts, Roger.   

A

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 11:52 AM

what about animals..

my dog hated and attacked cats..



[though maybe I was partially to blame for brainwashing him
that all cats were evil and encouraging his snarling attacks.
but I was only 8 at the time;
so where did I get that prejudice from ????]


Btw..I'm not saying if I'm man or woman.. you'll can guess!

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 11:54 AM

Are all Shambles fatuous idiots?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 11:55 AM

Bigots are a subset of the group known as assholes.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: alanabit
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 12:09 PM

We are all white, male and heterosexual. do we have the right to feel discriminated against because no one makes up jokes about us?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 12:14 PM

What's a "90s/60s lifestyle"?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 12:16 PM

.. and what if my dog had been a bitch ?

would that have made any significant difference
for the safety of the local cat population ???

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 12:44 PM

Shambles,

you have forgotten to add your pet link.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 12:52 PM

http://www.nobully.org.nz/advicek.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 01:18 PM

You know it is still possible to make a point and even to violently disagree with another's view - without making any personal comments about the poster you may disagree with or without conducting any public conversation about them. These are the sort of good manners that perhaps need a little more general encouragement online?

Online it is always possible to ignore anything you may not care for and to make no comment at all. This would not be thought of as bad manners and in this way other posters will have no choice but to respond in kind............

And for personal comments like 'me too' or 'well said' or 'bollocks' - that are of little or no public interest and only tend to ensure that there will be a public response in kind - members always have the option of PMs provided for very purpose of these personal exchanges.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 01:19 PM

Responses to bullying

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 01:24 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: MBSLynne - PM
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 03:13 AM

I've always been impressed by the amount of stuff which is allowed to go uncensored. And I DO mean that in a complimentary way. As far as I've been aware since I've been on here (Initially as a Guest) Joe seems to have tried very hard to leave threads alone and let everyone express their opinions and have their say. It mostly seems to be the very unpleasant that have been deleted, and threads that have deteriorated into NOTHING but a slanging match. There's no benefit in them at all. While I deplore the activities of people who haven't the guts to say who they are when they post something nasty, or purposely stir trouble because they are anonymous, I can't see any way of getting rid of them other than making it Members only, and I don't think that would be a good move at all, for all the reasons quoted above.

As soon as you start to say.."Right, we'll censor this or that type of posting" you could easily start a landslide...like so many other things, where to draw the line becomes a problem.

We were taught at school the quote "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 01:26 PM

What saves people from bigotry is when we learn to recognise the possibility that the people who disagree with us may have a point, and that they aren't just being pig-headed bullies when they express that point, and it's not the same as the point we've been trying to force them to agree to.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 01:28 PM

'"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"'

I heard that when I was in school, too. Don't believe it for a minute. It's bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 01:41 PM

No, Roger. You are confusing intolerance with bigotry. It is not a male thing, but you knew that when you set the bait in this thread. And intolerance is not always a bad thing, where bigotry is always bad, IMHO. For example: I am very intolerant of your manipulative, whiney, pathetic need to be abused and abusive. I am intolerant of your need to cry, piss and moan that you don't get the respect that you seem to think you deserve in spite of your penchant for disabusing anyone who doesn't agree with you. You give no respect, yet you demand it. In short, I am intolerant of you and wish you would seek counseling and leave this place. All of this does not make me a bigot. It makes me dislike you and all of your posts.

By the way, folks, I believe motor city mama lives in Florida if that helps you any.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 01:46 PM

How many people kayak?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 01:51 PM

That was kind of mean, Big Mick.

What if someone wished the same on you?

But to your defense, there are some people here I feel the same way about. And as long as there is this dynmaic here, overall it will never really be a very nice place to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 01:55 PM

Florida, eh? well, well, well.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 02:02 PM

To answer the original question...

No.

And what Bruce said....regarding the old cliche "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Total absolute bullshit. No one who ever said that ever really meant it, they were just putting on a show. People who disagree with you or me or anyone else about stuff usually aren't even willing to slightly inconvenience themselves to defend our right to say it. I know this from long experience. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 02:05 PM

Well there ain't no more of a bigoted comment like the first one.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 02:38 PM

In answer to the original question, two words:   Ann Coulter.

OY!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 02:39 PM

No, all bigots are not male, but all spigots are.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 02:44 PM

And by the way, motor city mama, the Motor City is south of Eight Mile. I believe you spent your time in Ann Arbor, yes?

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: autolycus
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 02:58 PM

Roger was thrown ,in the quote that prompted his opener by the use of "his" when it would have been better to write "their" (as Roger gas already pointed out).

As Richard pointed out, "he" is oft used to mean "he or she"(or some synonymous variant). Lots of editors defend using "his"(etc) in that way, or defend using "hers" and so on, ostensibly to get round the need to write "he or she" ad nauseam.

Roger rightly points to "they" as a solution, the best ,IMHO. It works often enough to be the solution.


   As for the thread question, (blimey, took your time,mate,dinya?), I've heard lots of female bigots of the opposite sexual persuasion to my good self thru radio transmissions.

Who do we think brings up these male bigots? Generous, open-hearted, understanding, compassionate, even-handed, fearless, liberal-minded mothers?

It's possible.

Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 03:04 PM

The question as asked is nomothetic. The answer is of course, no, but the nature of the question requires a response. The question is too foolish to 'require' an answer (as Shambles is aware), but people tend to clarify questions of that nature and then answer the clarification. I wish I did drugs because I'd probably spend a few hours trying to make sense of this thread. But I don't so I won't.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 03:17 PM

The phrase "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the deat your right to say it." Is a bogus quote usually attributed to Voltaire (though it is a reasonable summary of some things he did say)
I have always preferred Sartre's "I hate people who respect their Executioners." & consider the 2 quotes incompatible.
My own observation & experience long since led me to the conclusion that no sex,gender,sexual orientation ,nationality, race or creed has a monopoly on bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 03:23 PM

Defending to the deat is another matter altogether... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 03:24 PM

Depends on whose, IMO. The leaders of countries don't mind defending things 'to the death'. Seldom their deaths, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 03:25 PM

Exactly so and apologies.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 03:25 PM

People who disagree with you or me or anyone else about stuff usually aren't even willing to slightly inconvenience themselves to defend our right to say it. I know this from long experience

The point surely, Little Hawk, isn't whether other people are like that towards us, but whether we are like that to other people.

I'd say myself there are some things noone has a right to say. Whether I disagree with them or not is completely irrelevant - in some cases I might not, but feel a duty to button my lip. But outside of that people do have every right to say what they like, and whether I disagree with them or not is completely irrelevant, and I'd do whatever I could to defend that right.

I'd also draw a distinction between what we say and how we say it.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 03:48 PM

Why do I get the feeling you rarely ask an honest question, Shambles?

If this is one, then I respectfully answer the title of the thread: "Of course f__king not!"

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 03:52 PM

Oh, agreed, agreed...

I am just making fun of what I consider a fatuous, overly dramatic, and greatly over-used cliche. I can't make out how anyone could say it without feeling like a bit of an ass in so doing...

I'll tell you what people are willing to defend to the death . Their loved ones, their homes, their lives, their pets (sometimes), their property, their homeland, and their culture (religious or otherwise).

I would wager that no one on this forum is willing to defend to the death my right to make a verbal statement on this forum. Not a friggin' chance! (grin) Nor would I expect such a dramatic stand on their part. I mean, gimme a break...really...

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 04:04 PM

Cyber death maybe. But then what the hell, ya know? We pick our hills to die on.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 04:18 PM

There have been plenty of people whom have been willing to put their lives on the line in struggles where freedom of expression has been a central issue, and many who have died as a result. Tiananman Square is just one example out of many.

But I agree that most times it gets thrown out the quote is just empty rhetoric. Rather like "Give me liberty or give me death".

Incidentally the quote isn't by Voltaire. It appears to have been made up 100 years ago this year by a writer called Evelyn Beatrice Hall, as a summary of how she saw his thinking.