BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07

Subject: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Barry Finn
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 02:53 PM

This came to me from MoveOn.org

Sat., March 17--
March on the Pentagon!

Ramsey Clark will be leading a mass demonstration to the Pentagon on Saturday, March 17, the fourth anniversary of the start of the Iraq war. This is the 40th anniversary of the March on the Pentagon, which became a turning point in registering mass opposition to the Vietnam War. The March 17 demonstration will assemble at 12 noon at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.

Please join us at the Pentagon and bring your impeachment signs!

I hope to be there.
I hope to see you there.
I thought I was done marching nearly 40 yrs ago, I thought I was done marching forever!

I can think of much better ways of spending ST. Paddy's day but I can't think of a more important way to spend it.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Cruiser
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 03:17 PM

I have never marched in any type of protest, and I have never been arrested, but if there were simultaneous marches in many cities around the country, I would participate in a local march.

I was stationed at Walter Reed Army Hospital for a while during the Viet Nam War. I visited DC several times as a kid and marveled at the sights of our Nation's Capitol. However, even though I am financially able, I would not care to go there again. My view of what the symbols stand for have been severely tarnished by the last several presidencies.

So, ask local groups to have a simultaneous march in your city to get rid of the miserable failure who has disgraced this once proud nation.

A Registered Republican who despises Mr. Bush and all he stands for.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Slag
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 05:11 PM

Yes. Impeach Nancy Pelosi! Ruth Vader Ginsberg and their ilk!

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Slag
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 05:12 PM

Oh, and in case you were wondering, I'm not to wild about Bush either so don't get all in an uproar.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 05:27 PM

Hey, Ramsey, knock yourself out!

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Peace
Date: 25 Dec 06 - 01:58 AM

I just e-mailed the main organizers to notify them that they are posting the march for Jan 27 and March 17, 2006. I trust I didn't miss it and they really mean 2007.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Dec 06 - 06:48 PM

Scheduling this for St Patrick's Day seems a bit silly. A lot of people who might have wanted to take part are likely to be otherwise engaged.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Dec 06 - 11:43 PM

They're hoping to swell their numbers by roping in all the drunks looking for the next party.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: EBarnacle
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 08:54 AM

Although removing Bush is a desireable goal, we would be going to the man behind the curtain, Cheney, who may actually be worse. As a fresh face in the oval office, he would have more power than Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 10:44 AM

Couldn't you have a double impeachment?

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 01:08 PM

yes...we could. Then we get Nancy Pelosi. Can you imagine getting enough Republicans to vote for double impeachment so that SHE would be president?

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Cruiser
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 05:12 PM

Uh, Bill D, that would be going a bit too far. Yes, get rid of the 2 whatchamuhcallums but not THAT woman or Hillary in that office. I had a female English teacher once who.....

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Barry Finn
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 05:38 PM

Does anyone think for a moment that Nancy would be worst than the 2 that sit there now. Buch & Cheney are both guilty along with others, who should also be tried they should go as a packaged deal. There's plenty of more damage that'll be coming from this present administration before 2008 rolls around. Look at what the country had to say during this past election & just look at how that's being interpreted & tell me it doesn't look like it's getting worst. We're on a road to hell & as long as we let those 2 stay the scars that will be left from the burning we get will show for years to come.
St Paddy's day is the 40th anniversity, the comments about drunks & questions about double impeachment & the remark about Ramsey Clark, none of this matters if we all just sit back & comment. If we all don't raise to the call & all come together to make it happen we will all fall together for our lack of typical American "go it our own way". Isn't that the way that Bush got us here in the first place. "We'll go it alone" he said & alone we all let him go.
Don't go knocking it, just step aside & let those that will, go through, please!

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 10:33 AM

Bush is against stem cell research to protect the unborn. But once they are born they're fair game.

Witness... he is trying to increase his intelligence by consuming the brains of infants after sucking them out through their tiny nostrils.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 10:47 AM

That's funny, Cluin.

Barry,
We will be rid of baby bush and his step father very soon. My real concern is whether the voters of this country will pay attention when they cast their ballots in the next presidential election. And will the Democrats produce a candidate who has both the ability to lead and the smarts to get elected?

A republican win will be seen as an endorsement of bush's policies. SIGH - yes it will.


Bush will never be impeached. An anti-war rally would attract a larger crowd, one that would cross partisan lines. Read the Ford thread and you will understand why impeachment is simply not an option. Frankly, I don't believe he has committed an impeachable offense.

Mary

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: GUEST,Cruz
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 11:10 AM

Cluin,

Man, you are off the wall!

very, very funny..

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Amos
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 03:18 PM

Knock them both into the gutter with one fell swoop, and let Nancy clean them up.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Barry Finn
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 04:14 PM

SINSULL, that's not soon enough. The great damage he can cause between now & then could be to great & relying on just the voters of this country have proved to be sometimes a worthless wait & a setback.
So far neither party can be seen producing a worthy candidate & as far as I'm concerned Nancy would be a welcomed first woman.
A vote, as recently seen is the last thing an elected pres will pay attention to. The 60's showed that masses could & did bring about change.

"We will be rid of baby bush and his step father very soon."

What would the counrty do if they decided to stay(I"m not saying this would happen). Would we be able to vote them out, would we protest or revolt? I don't expect that the masses would do much of anything but squawk & moan & piss & groan & then leave it to the politcial process (remember the right to bare arms) to guide us.
That's where America is today & the people need to use their voice before they lose it.

As for a march against war I agree but I also think that we can't even start that process with the present duo in power, so they need to go before we can even start walking that road.

Barry
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 05:26 PM

I've got nothing but faith in how that's going to turn out, and I'd rather march behind an incontinent elephant than be going anywhere in the same direction as Ramsey Clark.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 08:45 AM

Cluin, GWB is the only US President to provide funding for stem cell research.

And......right on, Robomatic.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 09:19 AM

Do you have any infomation about this march? I cannot find anything on the Moveon website, nor have I heard about this anywhere else.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Cruiser
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:20 AM

Barry Finn: Since you started this thread, please provide a link and your definitive source.

Here is one reference to a march:

Impeach Bush March


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Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 12:02 PM

Impeaching Bush should be far down the list of priorities for the Country, behind extricating ourselves from Iraq, and resolving major issues with illegal immigration, stemming environmental destruction, and ending out-of-control deficit spending.
I'm frankly sick of hate-driven politics, and I think it's very counter-productive for America.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Amos
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 12:12 PM

I entirely concur that hate-based politics is destructive to the nation.

I believe, however, that honesty-based politics would restore a measure of our essential national sense of ethics and heal the country, which has been badly divided by a divisive anagement style based on a sort of narrow-minded solipcistic hypocrisy. A little sunshione would go a long way to disinfect things.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 12:56 PM

Yay!

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 01:10 PM

I found this...

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: pdq
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 01:17 PM

Here is a quote from Mrrzy's site:

"We are vigorous in our demand for INCLUSION of ALL organizations resisting this administration. No matter what issue each of us is coming from. Recruit and include World Can't Wait, UFPJ, Code Pink, ANSWER, NOW, NARAL, GLBT groups, Velvet Revolution, Black Block, Save-The-USA groups, My Space posters, Impeach Bushco, 911 Truth, Iraq Vets for Peace, Gold Star Familys, Military Families Speak Out, Courage to Resist, Michael Moore, MoveOn, Media Matters, Alternet, Truthout, UAW, AFL-CIO,ALCU, NAACP, the SDS, Black Panthers, and all the rest that I may have forgotten to mention. GET THEM (and their lists) ON BOARD.

No more Ms.& Mr. Nicey Nice. We need to Shake Our Collective Fists in the face of the power elite. Many hands raised in solidarity. Fists clenched in defiance."

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 09:47 PM

Unfortuntely, impeachment can't be brought about by referendum. The Democrats have a very slim majority in Congress, and nobody thinks that a substantial number of Republicans would vote for impeachment.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 09:36 AM

Refresh: who all is going? Anybody from across the pond? Shall we get a cenral Mudcat meeting place decided?

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Barry Finn
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:22 PM

I have been planning on going. How I'm getting there I'm not sure, I'll be looking at the bus schedules leaving Boston when the time gets nearer. It high time this bag of bones started walking again.
I'm all for a Mud Meet if others are headed there.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:31 PM

"Anybody from across the pond? Shall we get a cenral Mudcat meeting place decided? "

The local jail or detention centre would be a great meating place.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 05:01 PM

great meating place

Sheesh.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 06:25 PM

Bit far for me. Somebody put my name on something.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 09:52 PM

OK, 'catters, we gotta come up with some great sign slogans!

Impeach Bush anagrams to:
Be a chimp, suh!
Uh, basic hemp?
Peach his bum!

ooh... this might be fun...

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 02:15 PM

A new variety of fruit has become popular is recent years. The Imbush Peach.

It appears soft and fuzzy on the outside, but the meat is mostly yellow, except

near the core, where it is surprisingly pink.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 06:01 PM

As a total (but interested) outsider, I am a little confused. On the face of it, this march will be asking for Bush's impeachment, yet the fact that it is being organised some 3 months in advance (this thread began in December) indicates not so much an urgency to right wrongs, but rather an opportunity for voicing opinions - not the same thing at all. So I wonder - is this for real, or is it a harmless venting opportunity, a complaints-fest?

It's the lack of spontaneity that foxes me. An outrage that takes 3 months to organise rightly gives rise to concerns such as Lonesome EJ's: is this simply a hate-driven event dressed up as outrage?.

Don't get me wrong - I am no friend of GWB's politics, policies, decisions or actions. But an honest outrage would have had the streets seething within hours; not planning a march in 3 months time.

Do people honestly believe that this is going to change anything? Because from this distance, I have to be honest - as a grass roots reaction it seems a poor substitute for a vote.

But I hope I have it wrong, and I am ready, even willing, to be corrected.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: GUEST,Ci Ci
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 06:36 PM

Answer is a front for the WWPWWP. A communist, socialist, fusion of Trotsky, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung.
WWP's history of orthodox and problematic political positions. In 1956, WWP supported the Soviet invasion of Hungary, claiming the Hungarian striking workers were counterrevolutionary; in response to the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989, WWP charged that protesters had launched violent attacks on the soldiers, provoking the military's actions; during the Bosnian war in the 1990s, WWP portrayed reports of atrocities and mass rape by the Serb forces as imperialist lies, and now supports Slobodan Milosevic in his battle against war crimes charges at The Hague. Ramsey Clark, the visible leader of the International Action Center, is a founder of the International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic, and has also provided legal representation for some accused of participating in the 1994 Rwandan genocide. He has more recently volunteered for Saddam Hussein's legal team.

Recently, Workers World has undergone a factional split, with a breakaway group apparently taking most of ANSWER with it. This has led the IAC and the faction that still calls itself Workers World to help found a new coalition, Troops Out Now! The recent split doesn't seem to have been about anything substantive, but the tactical question of whether to support WWP's presidential ticket last year or to acquiesce to the left's anybody but Bush (meaning pro-Kerry) position. Behind this question seems to be a turf war between WWP cadre in New York and San Francisco, the party's two principal power bases. The breakaway faction, based mostly in San Francisco, is calling itself the Party for Socialism and Liberation. Troops Out Now!, which endorsed the Sept. 24 march, remains based at the International Action Center's New York offices.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: GUEST,CI Ci
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 06:49 PM

Link to WWP

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Barry Finn
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 08:16 PM

Hi George
See MarchOnPentagon.Org
ANSWER is only one of the many groups taking part in the march. Some groups are marching for impeachment some for an end to the war. The date was pick because it's close to the 40th anniversity of the historic march on Washington. If you look at ANSWER's web site it seems as if they are handling bus transportation for most of the States in the US. I don't know if they are the spearheading group or the umbrella group or not but there are many group taking part, the list is long. I want Bush & Cheney impeached (& jailed), I want an end to the wars & agression against other nations & alot of other changes but one reason is enough for me to bring my body in support. The march has been in planning for a while, if you look you'll see the scope of the march is very large. Hopefully it'll catch the eye & heart of the nation & hopefully it'll make a statement that cannot be ignored this time by both parties & in perticular Bush & company.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 01:48 AM

OK, Barry, power to your voices.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 12:23 PM

George - just because it's planned doesn't mean it isn't heartfelt. Think of a wedding - planned perhaps years in advance. Just because we want others in on our outrage doesn't make us not outraged. If we want people in from out of town to our wedding and are willing to wait for them doesn't mean we don't love each other.
How did I get into this metaphor? Somebody get me out!

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Mooh
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 04:29 PM

Too far away, no passport, I don't want to be sent "accidentally" to Syria, and I got a gig that evening, otherwise I'm interested. Give 'em hell!

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 06:12 PM

LOL, Mrrzy, you make it sound like a love-in! Seriously though, I wish you a successful day.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Barry Finn
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 04:07 PM

Well it's getting close, any others joining in on this march?

I just confirmed my bus ticket & am pretty excited, it'll be my 1st march in nearly 40 years, the last time was for ending the Viet Nam War.
The buses from Boston were all filled & they added on new ones to handle the overflow & now those have been all taken.
I leave out of Porstmouth Friday nite so I go with the session still singing in my head. Portsmouth also had to book extra buses (3 in all) so I think even with a dismal weather forcast it looks like the turnout will be very large. Buses will be leaving from at least 300 cities last count that I heard, mostly from the eastern part of the counrty. Hopefully we can make a difference.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 04:13 PM

Thanks, Barry, for those of us who cannot actually make it to D.C.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 04:19 PM

Looks like Vancouver is also have an anti-war march.

OUT OF AFGHANISTAN
INTO KYOTO

Something has to be done about the anti-war PR, communication, advertisement, etc.

More people would join in if they were aware.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: jeffp
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:27 PM

Dress warmly. There's a cold front coming through.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:35 PM

All right - I'm going to miss it - but check out why: I had a court date stemming from some checks that bounced when I had my identity stolen, when someone was forging checks out of my account, causing my (theoretically good) checks to bounce. I missed the court date because of losing my job and not taking things out of my calendar since I was not allowed back on the computer. So I went in and got a new court date - at which point, even though I could prove I hadn't knowingly written any bad checks, I have been SENT TO JAIL - for missing the court date. I go in tonight and get out Sunday night.
I still don't quite believe it. I'm missing the March and my favorite niece's wedding shower... I'm sure there is a moral somewhere, but the judge hasn't figured it out.

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: DougR
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:01 PM

Just be certain that you march at a pace that will be beneficial to your heart! I'm all for marches. People don't walk enought it seems to me.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: The march on DC for Impeachment 3/17/07
From: Dickey
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 04:16 PM

Friday, March 16, 2007

The anti-war protesters spat at a wounded Iraq war soldier; they spray-painted graffiti on the U.S. Capitol, the veterans said.

Those acts and others at a large demonstration Jan. 27 birthed a movement of counter-protesters who plan to deploy Saturday in the nation's capital during another anti-war demonstration.

What has come to be called Gathering of Eagles started — at least in large part — in a coffee shop outside Greenville, local vets said.

There, veterans gathered and pledged to make sure war memorials aren't defiled during the planned protest Saturday.

The Web site gatheringof eagles.org lists as the event's goal "to stand silent guard over our nation's memorials, in honor of our fallen, and in solidarity with our armed forces in harm's way today."

Since late January, the grass-roots movement has grown to more than 100,000, possibly as large as 150,000 people, Pitt County participants said.

"It's not an organization; it's an event," said Don McWhorter, a retired Marine captain from the Greenville area, as he sat inside To Bean or Not to Bean, the coffee shop on East 10th Street where he recalls helping to launch the gathering.

"It's pro-America. We just want to show there's another side," he said. McWhorter and other organizers are unsure how many will attend Saturday.

The veterans and other anti-anti-war demonstrators plan to take over the area between the Washington Monument and Lincoln Memorial west of the Mall, squeezing out big-name protesters like Jane Fonda, Sean Penn and those who ally with them.

http://www.reflector.com/local/content/news/stories/2007/03/16/Gathering_of_Eagles.html