BS: London Bombs

Subject: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 03:40 AM

I'm just waiting for someone to start banging on about if only we pulled out of Afghanistan / Iraq / stopped supporting Israel etc these things wouldn't happen

Wake up you dumbos. We're being attacked by people who hate us and the values - free speech and democracy - that we subscribe to.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Paul Burke
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 04:01 AM

Troll

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 04:02 AM

I suppose you're referring to this (click):

U.K.: Plot to bomb U.S.-bound planes foiled
Arrests made in plot to smuggle explosives aboard aircraft, police say

MSNBC News Services
Updated: 31 minutes ago

LONDON - British authorities thwarted a terrorist plot to blow up several aircraft mid-flight between the United States and Britain using explosives smuggled in hand luggage, officials said Thursday.

Well, I think we have a tendency to respond by counterattacking large populations of people who have nothing to do with terrorism. I think that our responses to terrorism have been misdirected and ineffective, and have only served to make a bad situation worse by destroying any sympathy the world had for us.

So, yeah, I think we need to re-think things - to respond, but to respond judiciously.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 04:12 AM

Yet again the British government make up another story and how we should congratulate their intelligence services for averting a terrorist attack of indescribable horror. Load of rubbish. This story seems to appear every couple of months. Makes Blair look good.
Fine if you want your own intelligence insulted.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Mr Fox
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 05:03 AM

The police tend to do things like this to divert attention from something they find embarrassing. There's probably a report on the tube shooting coming out.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 07:09 AM

Nothing yet found. Load of tripe to divert minds from other matters. Put fear into people. It's well known the first week of August sees most U.K. residents go on holiday. They are so shallow.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Mr Yellow
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 07:48 AM

Yea yea, no hand luggage on flights - even spectacle cases are banned - really make Tony Blair popular won't it? and flying. Yea sure - half cocked response to 20 miscreants, red faces in the police and security community. Just what they want - innit?

Yea sure - not a real alert. But a real wheeze.

Yea yea yea.............. best be sorry than safe. Yea yea.

It'll never happen to us..........

'scuse me while I bury my head in the sand...............

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: jacqui.c
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 08:32 AM

Well, I'm a bit concerned as I will be flying to Heathrow next Wednesday and back to Boston three weeks later.

What this will mean to me will be a longer checking in time and having to rethink what goes where in my luggage. I usually carry toiletries in cabin baggage to allow for lost bags but that will be a no no this time. However, just in case this is a the real deal I would rather have security tightened up.

It's possible that this is a diversion for other news that the UK government wants to bury. Same seems to happen in the USA - it's just that Bird Flu gets yet another airing. However, the story of the little boy who cried wolf is still valid.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 08:46 AM

Simple solution. America and Britain keep their noses out of other countries affairs.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 09:11 AM

I fly SLC to BWI tomorrow. No liquids or gels in the carry on bags. Take off your shoes. No cell phones, laptops, iPods, etc. in the carry on. Get there two hours early. Blah blah blah. Been there.

I once bought a Fairbairn knife at the airport and flew home with it in my carry on bags....

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Amergin
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 09:15 AM

No cell phones, laptops, iPods, etc. in the carry ons.


Since when? I carry my mp3 player and my laptop on the plane...will not put those in my checked luggage. Granted you have to take them out of the bag when running them through...but laptops are considered a personal item, like a purse.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: LilyFestre
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 09:19 AM

Amerigin,
   You'd better check the news. You can't take that stuff on board. Not only that, you can't take your car keys either (I'm thinking they are referring to the remote clickers). No liquids or gels or lotions...that means no water bottles, no shampoo, no toothpaste, no moisturizer, no hand cream....wow.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: LilyFestre
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 09:22 AM

Also, I think it's interesting that someone posted about Blair drawing attention to what a great job they did averting a tragedy, etc. The conversations in this house had a similar sound to them except that we wondered about the Lieberman upset....he was a huge supporter of GWBush and what has been his message all along? TERRORIST this TERRORIST that....so what happens the day after Lieberman loses out in a historic kind of way? A terrorist plot....go figure.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 09:27 AM

The govt did it, the govt did it, the govt did it. If 1 billion plus "Arab terrorists" hate the western world so much, why isn't the western world in flames? It's a scam, folks. The people who gain from this nonsense are the govts in charge. Shake your cage to scare you, then shake a little more money out of your pockets to "fix" the problem. Oh, and take away a few more rights and show you film of men in black ski masks making you "safe." Quit feeding the lie. You know this is all govt-sponsored terrorism.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: artbrooks
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 09:43 AM

According to the TSA website, the only change as of this morning is the banning of all liquids from carry-on luggage. The most recent list (March 2006) allows both cell phones and laptops in carry-on.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Mr Fox
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 09:51 AM

The Met Police have apparently arrested some people. Perhaps it's genuine this time - there's no reports of them shooting anybody yet.

Cynical? Moi?

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 10:12 AM

Let me see if understand aright the jist of this thing: if the auhorities act as if there is a threat, they are doing it for some ulterior motive; if the thing threatened doesn't happen, perhaps even because of such action, that just proves there wasn't a threat. On the other hand, if the authorities act not, and the threat becomes reality, then the authorities were derelict in their duty. Gee, that's a real win/win for them.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: LilyFestre
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 10:36 AM

BBC America News is saying no cell phones, no iPods, no mp3 players no laptops.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 11:04 AM

So put them in luggage hole and let that blow up. See still no bombs found. Again it's a government PR stunt. Tony Blair left the country and flew to America yesterday knowing about it. Well keeps him off the news and calling Israel naughty boys.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Mr Fox
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 11:48 AM

Hey, John, don't bring logic into this. If 'they' want not to be criticised they shouldn't have asked us to vote for them.

Moaning about the government and/or the police is Britain's national sport.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 12:01 PM

Assuming a real threat a ban on those items being carried on board does not address lethal stuff in the belly of the plane. Look at Lockerbie.

I still think the day will/should come when passengers and their belongings will fly in separate planes. I can imagine the chaos while the logistics of reunion are being determined and enacted but that single act would remove almost all of the opportunity and all of the motivation. No terrorist organization is going to brag about blowing up luggage.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: ard mhacha
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 12:13 PM

Beirut airport bombed, Lebanon flattened by US made bombs, the real terrorists are responsible for the deaths of thousands in the middle east.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 12:15 PM

Here's the official Word from the TSA website:

Raised Threat Levels:

The U.S. threat level is raised to High, or Orange, for all commercial aviation operating in the United States, including international flights. Flights from the United States to the United Kingdom are also Orange.The U.S. threat level is raised to Severe, or Red, for all commercial flights flying from the United Kingdom to the United States.

The U.S. threat level is raised to High, or Orange, for all commercial aviation operating in the United States, including international flights. Flights from the United States to the United Kingdom are also Orange.

Increased Aviation Screening Procedures:

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is implementing a series of security measures, some visible and some not visible, to ensure the security of the traveling public and the nation's transportation system.

TSA is immediately implementing the following changes to airport screening procedures:

NO LIQUIDS OR GELS OF ANY KIND WILL BE PERMITTED IN CARRY-ON BAGGAGE.

SUCH ITEMS MUST BE IN CHECKED BAGGAGE. This includes all beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, tooth paste, hair gel, and other items of similar consistency.

Exceptions: Baby formula and medicines, which must be presented for inspection at the checkpoint.

Beverages purchased in the boarding area, beyond the checkpoint, must be consumed before boarding because they will not be permitted onboard the aircraft.

Passengers traveling from the United Kingdom to the United States will be subject to a more extensive screening process.

These measures will be constantly evaluated and updated as circumstances warrant.

How every passenger can assist in security:

    * Pack lightly, without clutter, to facilitate easier screening.
    * Arrive earlier than usual at the airport.
    * Cooperate with TSA personnel at checkpoints and with airline personnel at all gates.
    * Be attentive and vigilant to any suspicious activity and report it to authorities.

Increased Border Protection Procedures:

U.S. Customs and Border Protection will increase enforcement efforts in international arrival areas including the use of advanced targeting tools, special response teams including baggage and aircraft search teams, baggage x-ray equipment, specially-trained canine units, and explosive detection technology.

DHS has also mandated that all flights from the United Kingdom transmit passenger manifest information for intensive screening prior to departure from the gate. In addition, passengers on these flights and all other international flights will be subject to heightened inspection upon arrival in the United States.

Apparently it's no carry-on bags AT ALL in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 12:34 PM

"DHS has also mandated that all flights from the United Kingdom transmit passenger manifest information for intensive screening prior to departure from the gate." - Hmm didn't the EC have something to sayabout that?

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:14 PM

TSA didn't say....

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:24 PM

I posted a few months ago about how easy it would to commit mass murder on far more horrific scale than this pathetic bullshit. There is no credible reason to risk detection trying to blow up planes when poisoning the food supply is so much easier and has a far more devasting effect. The chances of being caught are practically nil. Election year garbage of a political party running scared.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: jaze
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:45 PM

Hmmm, I wonder how long it will take to trace this to...IRAN, hence prompting a now justified attack?

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:51 PM

The whole flying focus is a farce. A diversion. You can fly a private plane in and out of US airports without any harrassment from "security." That's what Rush Limbaugh was so upset about when he got popped for drugs again a couple months ago. He said, "You never check private planes."

It's a scam, folks. Airports are "international" and not subject to the rules that govern your town. So, military can strut around with automatic weapons and do cavity searches on you at will. But only in airports. They just focus media attn on airports to get you acclimated to what's expected of you in the coming police state. You see film of cringing passengers, hear the officials use a variation of the word "terror" in every other sentence, and see the "military presence." You're being brainwashed.

Your govts are playing you, bongoheads. When the next attack comes, think Blair. Think Queen Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg. Think Cheney & Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST,2
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 02:10 PM

"Again it's a government PR stunt...
It's a scam, folks...
Your govts are playing you...
Election year garbage of a political party running scared...
it's a government PR stunt...
The govt did it, the govt did it, the govt did it...
Load of tripe to divert minds from other matters...
Yet again the British government make up another story"


Well, now that we have heard from an expert at talking out of his ass, perhaps we can put this crap aside and wait for some facts.

Pre-judging is not doing anyone good. The sadistic prick who posted the above messages is no better than the weasels he is accusing of making this shit up.   We do not need trolls, we need common sense.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: jacqui.c
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 02:27 PM

I've jusr spoken to my daughter in the Uk who has told me that passengers are not allowed to take on any cabin baggage, apart from essential medicines, baby items (which must be tasted by the carrier at the checkpoint) and wallets and change purses. There are major delays at UK airports while security checks are being carried out.

Timw will tell whether this is a false alarm. At some time the people being held will either have to be charged or released and, in the UK, this is likely to be made public fairly fast.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 02:55 PM

Terrorists are the ones with the small bombs, this load of crap is to make Blair look good and some families in London tonight will get the windows broke and some kids in a police station is getting his crap knocked out just like the Irish in the seventies, later released on false charges. Well at least no children in the Lebanon lying in bits will make the news tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 03:03 PM

To the unnamed Guest who thinks that this is a political "cover-up", I would quote Sherlock Holmes:

"Don't you see that you alternately give [the government] credit for having too much imagination and too little?"

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 03:06 PM

Divis Sweeney,

You are an unintelligent fool!

Can you really not get it???

Can you make 4 from 2+2?

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 03:10 PM

You know, the 5th anniversary of September 11th is coming up. Some terrorists like to commemorate their "acts of terror" with another "act of terror."

I would not fly anywhere this September 11th.

Yes, I'm acting like an alarmist.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 03:33 PM

Well, on a somewhat somber note, aren't the terrorists 'due' to show that they can bring something off rather than simply kill their own people?

On an even more somber note was the reference in England to 'homegrown'.

Let's see how the 'FACTS' add up, this is just the first wave of response and it may be hard to believe for you folks on the East side of the pond, but we Yanks tend to believe the English.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 03:40 PM

You know, it really doesn't matter one whit who did what. People have been frightened, inconvenienced, and in general again shat upon. If it was because of terrrorist actually planning something, they've won. If it were government, they've won.

I fly to BWI tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 04:29 PM

I rarely agree with Guest282RA but I believe this time he is right. Screw with our food supply and create nationwide chaos. Supermarket shelves empty in a matter of hours when a hurricane or major storm is predicted. After the 911 attacks, there was no milk or bread to be had in my neighborhood for two days.

Imagine even the scare of poisoned food?
Anyone remember Israel oranges injected with poison or cranberries coated in poisonous insecticide?

I look to the food supply for the next attack. The constant TV Public Service messages suggesting that I "pick up a few extra cans of food to stock up in case of emergency" make me think that the Powers That Be expect the same.

Meantime, as on September 12, 2001, it is safer to fly now than it was two days ago.

Mary

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 04:30 PM

wave as you pass by, Rapaire...(you gotta stop & say hello one of these times...or make the Getaway)

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 04:38 PM

Give one of us a call when you have some free time in town.


I'll buy the first beer ( local brewpub)

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 05:05 PM

It is TOTALLY stupid to just make everyone give up the standard items of everyday comfort. I just saw a middle-aged woman forced to throw away a couple hundred dollars worth of cosmetics ....even tootpaste!

This solves **NOTHING**....I'm sorry, but what is needed is the dreaded...*stereotyped, targeted, profiled enforcement*

"Oh HORRORS! How very non-P.C. of you, Bill D!"

yep...indeed, and it is with great reluctance that I say that, but for the last 5 years, every case I have seen of any attempts at terrorism has been from a very narrowly defined age & ethnic group. Little old ladies do NOT, as the woman said, blow up planes using 'blush'!

I remember flying several years ago, when they started using the 'random' searches at boarding gates, watching a business man and a middle-aged lady having their shoes & luggage searched, while several 'interesting' guys stood there with no interference at all.

Yes...I am TOTALLY aware that this would be awkward and in many ways 'unfair' to the large body of innocents, (and I don't believe for a minute that it is likely in the near future!), but ultimately, it will be suggested by someone with clout and authority. That's a prediction...and I'd bet it is de facto quietly being used already.

If I were a terrorist, I would be laughing as we scuttle about, spending billions to x-ray, scan, search and harass everyone who comes near an airport...then I'd go blow up another train or a bridge or a tunnel...or even a building.

This type of senseless over-reaction could seriously stifle general air traffic, making it too troublesome and expensive to fly...leaving only the rich with private planes able to get around.

Now, before you flame me as a prejudiced idiot....re-read exactly what I said!

We CANNOT prevent crazy people from trying to hurt us, but we CAN avoid being totally crazy ourselves, and be content with a HIGH degree of security!

Factory sealed WATER bottles? Perfume?

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 05:09 PM

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Terrorists planned to concoct an "explosive cocktail" using MP3 players and sports drinks to blow up as many as 10 jetliners bound for the United States, authorities said Thursday.

Which makes as much sense as the rest. I hope something gets sorted out by August 17, when Susan and I leave for England.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 05:11 PM

Thet can't put explosives in **factory sealed** sports drinks!

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 05:28 PM

Sure they can. Factory seals mean nothing. The main thing is that in order to process the number of folks they have to they won't be able to take the time to inspect the factory seals.

Now if you want to get ahold of some flammible liquids on an airplane you can start with the vodka on the drink carts.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 06:01 PM

British: Thwarted plot involved 10 jets

By DANICA KIRKA, Associated Press
Last updated: 17:36 EDT., Thursday, August 10, 2006

LONDON -- British authorities said Thursday they thwarted a terrorist plot to simultaneously blow up 10 aircraft heading to the U.S. using explosives smuggled in hand luggage, averting what police described as "mass murder on an unimaginable scale."

Britain disclosed no details [emphasis mine] about the plot or those arrested, although one police official indicated the people in custody were British residents.

Now, here's the important part, vis a vis the November elections:

President Bush called the plot a "stark reminder" of the continued threat to the United States from extremist Muslims...Bush said during a visit to Green Bay, Wis., that the foiled plot was a "stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists."

i.e: Vote Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 06:12 PM

"They can't put explosives in **factory sealed** sports drinks!"

"Sure they can. Factory seals mean nothing."

hmmm..seems to be a minor disagreement over facts here. I was of the impression that factory seals indicated it contained what the label said.

Inspection...they already inspect everything you carry. How hard can it be to look at the seal?

.....I really think I'd RATHER be inspected live, than have the bad guys figure out how to put timers into checked luggage.

We really need to solve this idea of checking absolutely everything.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 06:13 PM

Let's put things into perspective. Many complaints (and a new book on the subject) that the CIA and FBI were not cooperating and could have prevented the tragedy. The new book seems very well documented and shows that it could have been prevented---had CIA told the FBI about who and where the perpetrators were. They did not.

So--now there seems to be cooperation between our agencies and the UK. Let us not be cynical if we expect to be protected.

I think "W"s comments, as usual, were inflamatory. As to our being "safer" that is a crock. Had he not lied and gone into Iraq and only did what had to be done in Afghanistan that might, perhaps, be the case. We are in more danger and our soldiers are dying for a wasted cause---an artificial state having our version democracy stuffed down their non-accepting throats.

Since we allow death in Darfur and other African nations (that have no oil) is it not huberus to speak of our ideals? Our vision of democracy?

Summing up---we are not safer and, perhaps, these varied agencies have finally gotten it right. Let us not be that cynical.

Bill H

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: skipy
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 06:37 PM

O/K, This is not for fun! They are now stoping (quite rightly) all forms of liquids carried in bottles or cans etc. that is causing enough problems as it is, but lets be quite real here they are not carrying out cavity searches & we can all swallow or otherwise "hide" items! If an aircraft can be taken out by the contents of one hollowed out shoe heel then we can still get a quantity larger than this on board, where will this end? The easiest way to take weapons aboard is via staff loading food, suitcases etc. or even easier items placed behind removable panels during servicing, what would I know? well with near to 30 years service as an aircraft engineer I could do it next week no problems! Better still place it in a fuel tank during servicing! This is the real world, they are clever, very clever, don't ever underestimate them!
Skipy
Not in a playful mood!

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 06:49 PM

Worst of all, you can't take on a BOOK! A seven hour flight with nothing to read? I'll stay at home.

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 07:05 PM

No coffee? I'm trying not to panic, but really, they'll have a riot on their hands!

Subject: RE: BS: London Bombs
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 07:47 PM

Guest 3.06 pm at least put your name to your shit, will save me naming you.
Anyway still no bombs found and paranoia sweeping the country. 24 being held. Wonder where they will site the British Guantanamo Bay ?