Corbyns second referendum proposal

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 05:38 AM

"It is antisemitic to discriminate against Jews."
It is also Antisemitic by definition to associate the behaviour of the Israeli regime with The Jewish People - those who accuse critics of Israel of antisemitism do just that and are antisemitic by definition
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 06:22 AM

David, Jim - far too complicated for the brainwashed simpletons who fall for, and regurgitate with monotonous regularity, the propaganda published by a collapsing Conservative & Unionist Party, who are terrified of the current Leader of the Labour Party.

They can't defeat him on policies, so they resort to personal smears and abuse, aided and abetted by those within (and now, for some, without) the Labour Party who are more loyal to the Israeli Regime than they are to their own party. It's the standard tactic of Tories and their supporters.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 07:13 AM

Baccy
I'm getting more than a little tired of antisemites who blame The Jewish People for the crimes committed in their name accusing the rest of us of being antisemitic
I have no intention of entering into a dialogue with either of these people but if the Mods won't remove them I see no harm in exposing them for what they are on occasion - especially as one of them has just caused the mods of being antisemitic
There comes a limit....
Jim

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 07:24 AM

"Accused the mods", of course

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 07:35 AM

Not criticising you for 'exposing' them, Jim. Although, IMHO, they expose themselves every time they put fingers to keyboard - no help necessary from you, me or anyone else.

The point I was making is that they have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by what is patently a Tory propaganda campaign of smears and personal abuse, in which the Tories are aided and abetted by FOI, and almost certainly by the vile Netanyahu-led Israeli Regime. As such, they are unlikely to understand or accept the undoubted truth in what you and David said.

BTW, that's not a criticism of Jews, or even of the State of Israel, but it most definitely is a criticism of the political regime currently governing Israel. And, as such, is in no way anti-Semitic (unless weaponised by Corbyn-haters),

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 08:02 AM

"A 'one percent swing' would make it 50.89% Leave, 49.11% Remain.
Perhaps our resident ex-teacher needs to work a little harder on his maths."

*gulp* Quite right, Nigel. I was doing it in my head ballpark-style and used the total population of the UK as one of my numbers for reasons unbeknownst to me. Sorry about that. So a two percent swing then. But I don't really think my point falls. Feel free to add further snide remarks. Scientists relatively weak at maths ended up as biologists, as well you know.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 08:27 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 06:05 AM
confected and highly hypocritical brouhaha about "Labour antisemitism".
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 06:59 AM
Labour's antisemitism (which does exist and which requires firm action)

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/chris-williamson-warned-of-dark-forces-undermining-corbyn-as-councillor-joked-about-jew-proce
https://order-order.com/2019/03/05/ten-times-labour-snubbed-jewish-labour-movement/

https://labourlist.org/2019/03/hodge-accuses-corbyns-team-of-protecting-labour-antisemites/

https://unherd.com/2019/03/the-lefts-long-history-of-antisemitism/

Looks like the left has a major problem with antisemitism.

Still the labour mp guilty of perverting the course ofjustice has had her appeal turned dowm.
No doubt deselection will follow in a 6% leave constituency.
I wonder how long the dwarf delays doing his duty?

One less seat for labour all being well!

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 08:28 AM

"brainwashed"
Isn't this assuming that they have.... oh, forget it !!!
Jim

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 09:13 AM

"A 'one percent swing' would make it 50.89% Leave, 49.11% Remain.
Perhaps our resident ex-teacher needs to work a little harder on his maths."

*gulp* Quite right, Nigel. I was doing it in my head ballpark-style and used the total population of the UK as one of my numbers for reasons unbeknownst to me. Sorry about that. So a two percent swing then. But I don't really think my point falls.

Yes, your point totally fails as the point you made: but I've just watched a devastating piece of investigative journalism called Exposure: Brexit Online Uncovered. When you consider that a one percent swing in the referendum would have given remain a victory is proven inaccurate.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 09:25 AM

It is rather odd Nigel that you can pick up on errors inadvertently made by posters on here but you can never respond to posts on the Brexit thread that show that is a fiasco that will end in failure.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 09:45 AM

Please read my earlier errant post as follows: "...when you consider that a two percent swing in the referendum would have given remain a victory..." There, that should do it. As you were, Nitnigglepickerlet.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 09:51 AM

WEll done Nigel. Rather than admit a mistake the cabal club together to hurl insults and then wonder why we laugh at them!

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 09:54 AM

I for one Iains have not hurled any insult.

I asked him why he could nit pick on inadvertent errors but would not respond to posts on the Brexit thread.

No insult there at all.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 10:05 AM

Labour will whip for referendum

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 10:19 AM

I for one Iains have not hurled any insult.

I suppose calling me an idiot 5 times in recent days is supposed to be taken as a compliment?
raggedtash you are a FOOL!

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 10:25 AM

I refer to you as an idiot because your whole demeanour suggests that you are an idiot.

However you suggested that I had hurled insults at Nigel. Now unless you can find me hurling insults at Nigel your post is not only incorrect but you are an idiot.

8 and counting.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 10:42 AM

"Labour will whip for referendum"
Oooooo !!!
Some of the Dolphin Square perves would be queuing up for that one
Jim

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 10:45 AM

Incidentally- arguing about insulting with a serial insulter is bound to end in tears
Shirley Valentine had more intelligent response from her kitchen wall
Jim

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 11:58 AM

Well bless my soul the squeaker has actually done. De selection of the perverter of justice has been initiated.

Guido first with the news as usual. What a star! and another one(labour) bites the dust.

Antisemites, criminals. What else lies under the stone of Labour I wonder, apart from this


https://order-order.com/2019/03/05/onasanya-recall-petition-process-initiated/

I wonder what is the best antiseptic to use when conversing with leftards?

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 12:30 PM

Notice the long gap between the 'Antisemite' accusation and his return, with no response to the challenge

To no-on in particular
ANTI-SEMITE SUPREMO

A BIT MORE

FRIEND of the BNP

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 02:29 PM

The conservatives know how to deal with racists. News from Guido of course!

https://order-order.com/2019/03/05/conservatives-hardline-email-14-suspended-members/

Summary justice undoubtedly, the Tories nevertheless showing Labour how to deal swiftly and unequivocally with racism…


Below is how the Corbynistas deal with it:

https://order-order.com/2019/03/04/rachel-riley-suing-labours-new-complaints-adviser/
What a sad shower of dangerous clowns!

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 03:04 PM

I see that the Tory Islamophobia outrage, with almost half of Tory voters adjudged to be racist in that regard, has now broken out into the airways. Baroness Warsi (one of a handful of Tories, along with Justine Greening, Anna Soubry and Sarah Wollaston who get you asking the question, why are you a Tory at all?) has spoken out. Just watch the vicious Tory hawks start to encircle her...

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 03:04 PM

Perhaps the Tories have not been quite as thorough or swift as you suggest.
'A spokesperson for the Muslim Council of Britain said the posts showed "the scale of Islamophobia at all levels of the party is astonishing". The council repeated its call for an independent inquiry into anti-Muslim abuse within the party.
...
Warsi, who has campaigned on the issue, said the party had "a deep-rooted problem of anti-Muslim comments, Islamophobic comments, racist comments".

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 03:07 PM

Great minds, DMcG, great minds... :-)

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 03:13 PM

Why has everyone started conversing with the troll again?

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 04:10 PM

Oh Dear, it never rains but it pours!

More reliable news from everyone's favourite hack the maestro Guido.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f645c074-3f3c-11e9-889c-a7e27b96460c
and still the remainiacs try to deny and sidetrack the issue.
Jolly good job that Guido is on the ball. with his clear incisive reporting.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 07:22 PM

Baroness Warsi was on Newsnight tonight. She spoke plainly about the issues in the Tory party regarding racism, Islamophobia in particular and how Theresa May refuses to engage with the issue. When you look back at the survey I mentioned, which indicated that almost half of all Tory voters harbour frank Islamophobic views, then listen to Sayeeda Warsi, it makes you see the rampant hypocrisy of the anti-Corbyn zealots. You didn't have to look too far, either, as Kirsty also interviewed the well past-it Blairite troglodyte Lord Levy. The most useful contribution he could ever make to society would be to fall asleep on the Lords benches making occasional farting and snoring noises.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 10:33 PM

Who is this Guido - you keep going on about?
Why are you paying attention to him/her.

A girl guido, or a Boy Scouto?

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 03:39 AM

convicted He's an extremist right-wing criminal blogger who has apparently managed to plant one of his employees on this forum (no prizes...)
Probably a hermaphrodite - certainly into dressing-up and 'let's-pretend' games - someone you guard your children against
Jim

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 03:58 AM

Big AL an answer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Staines

Detested by all the lefties. However in 2005, Staines's blog was voted the best in the Political Commentary category of The Backbencher Political Weblog Awards, run by The Guardian.

He is of interest because he often places political gems in the public domain before mainstream media. He provides a fairly comprehensive coverage of UK things political, especially items the major parties would prefer to keep hidden or subdued.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 04:38 AM

A rare type of advice coming from me, Al, but the best thing to do about that particular degenerate and disreputable far-right blogger is to keep yourself ignorant. One little peek at his arrant nonsense would convince anyone of sound mind that it's good advice.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 05:21 AM

Big Al, when you read Iains' link, be sure not to miss the section headed "Criminal Convictions".

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 06:15 AM

The normal diversionary tactics of the usual crowd. Attack the messenger, not the message.
Here is an up to the minute release:

https://order-order.com/2019/03/06/momentum-fined-electoral-commission-multiple-breaches-electoral-law/

and to prove it has substance:

https://news.sky.com/story/momentum-fined-for-multiple-breaches-of-electoral-law-11656570

A rare type of advice coming from me, Al, but the best thing to do about that particular degenerate and disreputable far-right blogger is to keep yourself ignorant. One little peek at his arrant nonsense would convince anyone of sound mind that it's good advice.

Degenerate? Despicable? but sadly for the Shaws of this world, undoubtedly accurate!

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 06:23 AM

convicted He's an extremist right-wing criminal blogger who has apparently managed to plant one of his employees on this forum (no prizes...)
Probably a hermaphrodite - certainly into dressing-up and 'let's-pretend' games - someone you guard your children against

What is little jimmy hinting at here I wonder. Too much of a coward to say it outright.

Be very careful jimmy. you are verging on libel.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 06:47 AM

"verging on libel."
Said the feller who regularly accuses his opponents of being mental deficiants
Doncha just love it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 07:33 AM

I think I'll pass on that one Iains. I find politics very confusing these days anyway.

Incidentally , is that your name - I'd not seen it with an 'S' on the end. Or is that making a point of some kind?

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 08:58 AM

"I'd not seen it with an 'S' on the end. Or is that making a point of some kind?"
Stands for shitbag
Jim

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 10:12 AM

You never get repartee like that in Oscar Wilde....

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 06:08 PM

But Oscar Wilde was educated at Dublin University and Magdalen College Oxford. He was probably as intelligent as Enoch Powell.(who became a professor of ancient Greek at the age of 25)

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 06:40 PM

I'm having a flashback to the Simpsons episode where Homer recovers from his hangover with a memory of being the wit of the party. His memories envisage him at the Algonquin Room roundtable having spawned universal laughter with a plastic icecube with a bug in it.

Now there's your repar-damn-tay!

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 07:41 PM

GUIDO's DAY JOB

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 08:03 PM

Don't fink so! The laddie is full time employed itemising labour's nonsense:
Like this gem concerning the abbacus:
At least voters know exactly who belongs to Labour's leftwing Campaign Group, even if they risk being airbrushed from public appearances during an election campaign. Diane Abbott may be a model of loyalty to the party leadership during the next month, but many of her electors might like to be reminded that she once co-authored a paper that suggested: "We are not interested in reforming ... the police, armed services, judiciary and monarchy. We are about dismantling them and replacing them with our own machinery of class rule."
or
Back in 2014, Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell both voted against changing the law so anyone caught carrying a knife for a second time would face a custodial sentence. Corbyn said he would vote against the measure because it “looks tough”.
or
Just last month, Corbyn’s Labour Party voted against several measures that would have helped to combat the rising knife crime crisis. In the Lords, Labour voted against the introduction of Knife Crime Prevention Orders, which are designed to place curbs on those who routinely carry knives, and prevent gang escalation. In the Commons, they voted against an extra £970 million being made available to the police. Not a single Labour MP voted in favour…

The comments section is awash with priceless quotes!
suchas
It could be worse - she could be Shadow Chancellor.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 03:18 AM

Corbyn said he would vote against the measure because it “looks tough”.

An absolute classic from Guido to demonstrate why he is such an unreliable source. You can find the speech in Hansard and Corbyn was saying he wanted actions that were effective, not just ones that looked tough but where there was no evidence they worked. Is that the sense of the speech you get from the Guido spin?

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 03:46 AM

Thats actually typical for a right wing blogger, use Corbyn's words, but not all of them and not necessarily in the right order. But what can you expect from a serial drink driver and bankrupt?

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 03:55 AM

Hansard

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2014-06-17/debates/14061751000001/CriminalJusticeAndCourtsBill?highlight=%22looks%20tough%

Make up your own mind.


You will be trying to tell me next that the guardian reports all news factually with zero spin. Is any media free of a degree of bias? of course not!

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 04:09 AM

I don't know how often I have recommended people go back to the source material where they can - Hansard in this case - and make up their own mind, rather than rely on Guido or the Guardian.

I assume you have done so, then, and you have decided that the reason Corbyn voted against it was because it looked tough (which I interpret as making the government look tough), and nothing to do with whether it was effective or not?

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 04:19 AM

DMcG I suspect Corbyn just saw it as an opening to knock the government.
He does not exactly hold any records for being consistent. He would even pose a challenge for the Met office to keep up, and they are past masters at dealing with changeability.
Whatever his motivation was back then we can be sure it has swung back and forth repeatedly ever since.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 04:22 AM

I think the Hansard underlines your point perfectly David, masked fetishistic criminal entry Staines totally distorted Labour's position by leaving out what actually was said - that the Government position was a penny-pinching measure to give the appearance that something ws being done when they were actually playing to the gallery   
The fact that that it is now five years since this affair was discussed and the same Tory Government has now been forced to take emergency measures to combat steadily rising knife crime is a spot-on indication that the bill was little more than a sop in he first place
Wonder how many deaths have occurred since then and how many more there would have been if the Tories hadn't needed something to show that they weren't the incompetent clowns Brexit has exposed them as being ?
These people are beyond belief
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 04:26 AM

Good try, Iains, but that is not addressing whether that specific Guido claim is reliable.

Subject: RE: Corbyns second referendum proposal
From: Iains
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 04:32 AM

As reliable as any media.

A contemporary folksong to explain it all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ga_M5Zdn4