BS: Yanks make a Thatcher film!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Yanks make a Thatcher film!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Dec 11 - 01:31 AM

punkfolkrocker - Your suggestions of how the rich elite and the powers that be could go about corrupting a system with no political parties are perfectly reasonable.

To abolish political parties, however, would be a step in the right direction, but not a cure-all. Another step in the right direction would be to fund candidates' campaigns from the public purse...all equally...and at very modest expenditure, rather than the incredible spending than is presently done on political campaigns. Another step in the right direction would be to give ALL candidates equal media coverage, and NOT to allow personal attacks to be made on other candidates, but only to allow clear statements of a candidate's own policy proposals and their ideas about what they would do once in office. Another step in the right direction would be to limit political campaigns to a relatively brief period of time, such as 1 month or 6 weeks.

Canadian election campaigns are already limited to a relatively brief period of time, and it has worked very well. USA election campaigns are stretched out over almost 2 years! And at unbelievable expenditure and unbelievable damage to the mood of the country. That means that only the VERY rich (or their friends...meaning their willing tools) can possibly afford to run for office.

I propose these various ideas, not because I think there's ANY chance of them being adopted in the forseeable future in the USA.

(There isn't.)

But for this reason alone: If I see what I believe is a truth, I speak it. If I see what I believe is a good idea I speak it.

Period.

I am not a Utopian, I am simply someone who points out the existing realities I see around me, and who speaks the truth as I see it regarding alternative possibilities to those realities.

I have no hope, not a shred of hope that the corrupt American political system will ever reform itself, anymore than I'd have had hope of the Nazis or the Romans (in their late declining imperial period) reforming themselves. I believe the USA will end up as they did, bringing itself down to destruction through its own corruption and imperial megalomania, and I hope I'm not anywher near the USA when that finally happens. It may happen slowly. It may happen quickly. But it will happen.

And I will STILL speak the truth as I see it, regardless, because the truth itself deserves to BE spoken for its own sake.

And I would hope that others would do the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Yanks make a Thatcher film!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Dec 11 - 01:39 AM

Evidence that you are a Utopian? You would say this as if you thought it were possible.

"but only to allow clear statements of a candidate's own policy proposals and their ideas about what they would do once in office."

Subject: RE: BS: Yanks make a Thatcher film!!!
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Dec 11 - 01:57 AM

hey LH.. you're [a bit] older and [very much] wiser than me..


but..

I was by chance educated out of my social class sufficiently enough to eventually & finally understand
the ultimate frustrating cruel limitations of

'glass ceilings'.............................

.. public state funded campaigns and media access would & should be a positive step up
for politicaly minded educated blue collar outsider candiates like my kind..

but nothing compared to the unlimited additional private secret hidden funding
and incestuous media networking always available to the rich opposition...

sorry, I lost my faith in the honour and integrity of govt a long time ago...


But i still fiercely believe in persuading new young voters how important it is for them
understand the empowering right to vote..

Subject: RE: BS: Yanks make a Thatcher film!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Dec 11 - 03:40 AM

It is definitely possible, Jack, but probably not in a society that holds the cynical philosophies and empty beliefs of present-day America (and most other places).

You first need people growing up with a far better and wiser set of beliefs than the present addictions to money and material wealth, and that takes time...and very inspired leadership...to set the example of something better and wiser in front of those who are growing up.

It most definitely IS possible for people to accomplish that. That's why I believe in it. It has BEEN accomplished at certain times in the past, here and there.

*****

punkfolkrocker - I get what you mean about the glass ceilings. You're right about that.

I have also "lost my faith in the honour and integrity of govt a long time ago...". You bet I have. I have equally lost faith in the honour and integrity of political parties. (although there are many very good and well intentioned people working for them)

What I have not lost faith in is the inner Spirit and Heart of humanity. Those will never die. The innate spirit and heart in individual human beings is greater than government, greater than money, greater than institutions, greater than organized religions and hierarchies, and that spirit and heart in each one of us is what I place my faith in. It's in you. It's in me. It's in every human being at some level...if they will only make use of it, and if their love can overcome their fear.

I believe people are inherently good. I do not accept a cynic's dark view of humanity. I believe life is inherently good. We're all a part of life, and what is best in us WILL triumph. That is what I put my faith in...human beings themselves, not human-created laws, governments, and institutions.

I put up with those and I deal with them (laws, governments, institutions) as best I can...because I must, for the time being...and because it's the sensible thing to do for the time being...but that doesn't mean I believe in them. They're temporary. They're mostly arbitrary. People will still be around when they're all gone. People will still be around when money is gone.

Have a look at the ruins of ancient Egypt, Assyria, Persia, Greece, Rome, Meso-America...all their rules, laws, authorities, and institutions are long gone, but we human beings are STILL here. And we'll be here long after the present set of authority structures have crumbled into dust, and their weapons into rust.

What I find hope in is not our great ruling authority structures, or our foolish political systems, but the people I personally know and love...family, friends, co-workers, those I know from direct experience. That is where hope lies as far as I'm concerned, and I make new friends all the time, mostly through music. I have no reason to feel any sense of defeat...the human connections I believe in grow stronger every day.