BS: smoking in uk pubs

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 20 May 07 - 03:00 PM

Are any posters out there knowledgable about the extent of the new smoking ban? For example, more and more cafes in the UK have a "continental style" seated area on the pavement outside their premises. Will this area be affected by the new ban?

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 May 07 - 05:57 PM

>I>"They will not go after the "pikies"" How about the Yids and the Niggers and the Wops and the Pakis?

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: skipy
Date: 20 May 07 - 06:22 PM

Mc Of H, How dare you! you are using words that I would never use! so please do not try to use them against me!

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Now, wake up, smell the coffee, get a life & try to see where we are going.
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 May 07 - 07:11 PM

What about   "when they came for 'the pikeys' " ?

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: skipy
Date: 21 May 07 - 04:57 AM

MGogH.
Interesting article, strangely though I would just like them to be forced to comply with laws of this land, you know little things like taxing your car, not stealing etc.!
I have no desire to have them gassed or shot!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 07 - 05:28 AM

Don't come the old soldier now, skipy! If smokers would have agreed to have a seperate smoking area in the first place this may not have happened. Not the bar btw - Everyone has to use the bar to get drinks. A smoking room with the smoke vented where it can do no harm was the only sensible route. You know full well that the 'militant' smokers, including those who use evocative anti-nazi propaganda equating smokers to the Jews in Hitlers Germany, are the ones who have left no option but a blanket ban. Those that insisted on the right to smoke anywhere at any time spoiled it for the sensible smoker, like yourself.

As to the political or hidden agenda. Wake up and smell the coffee yourself. How many people smoke? 25%? 30% 35%? Certainly no more. What politician in their right mind is going to alienate about 70% of the population for the sake of the rights of a militant few in a small percentage of the population. None of them. They want votes and this is going to win them. Nothing to do with car tax or theft or pikeys.

Throw any more red herrings in here and you may as well start a kipper smokery while you stand outside...

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 21 May 07 - 06:49 AM

A slight aside.
As a smoker, I wouldn't dream of inflicting my habit on others. Particularly in restaurants, or when kids are around.
But, interestingly, my past place of employment had a specific room for us addicts. Lovely place, breeze block walls, photos of diseased lungs etc, etc!!
Fierce air conditioning.
Inhabited mainly by anyone from the MD of the place (regularly, bit of a cigar fan) to the lowest functionary in the building.
And guess what the complaint from the nearby-Non Smoking-offices was?
Not the smell of smoke...(the air con was very efficient!)
No, it was the laughter emanating from a room full of Pariahs!! It had become a great social leveller.
United in adversity, you could say.

The subsequent demand was for a room were Non Smokers could go, so that they could have fun too! (Go Figure)
Ah Well. I still think it was great to have a place where the boss could meet the Bog cleaner on equal terms, without harming anyone else.

And, having said that, I support the ban, I'll just go outside to indulge. (do it anyway)
I do wonder what the next Chancellor of the Exchequer will make of the loss in taxes.....

Lets see

Ralphie

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 21 May 07 - 06:55 AM

skipy,
       Give up! If you ever disagree with the great and the good of mudgat eg McGrath, you will always get the holocaust or slavery thrown at you as an example of what an arsehole you are for existing!
       I smoke. I will simply stop going into pubs.
                   Stealth taxes, the true path!

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: skipy
Date: 21 May 07 - 07:06 AM

Read it again! I do NOT, repeat NOT disagree with McGrath at all!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: The Barden of England
Date: 21 May 07 - 08:40 AM

I smoke. I will simply stop going into pubs

Glad the hear it Paco Rabanne - I know 2 people who will take your place after the 1st. July.

John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: Jim Lad
Date: 22 May 07 - 01:00 AM

In other countries, a few years after the ban, here is how it sits:
The long pre-ban debates are nothing but a distant memory. Smoking rooms have been banned because staff have to enter them and they are put at risk. Out door patios which were roofed over and glassed in are being taken down by order of various municipal bylaw enforcers.
Many outdoor patios are now smoke free. In some places, smoking is allowed only in businesses where children are not.
Smokers are generally happy about it. Business is up and the premises are much cleaner. The sales of Ceiling Paint has probably dropped however.
The audience has changed at my club venues and I now see whole families taking up large tables. The room is more full because of it.
The only places where you still find problems are usually in small towns where the owner is putting up too much resistance (to please the customers) and is in fact feeding the flames.
All in all, it's over and most of us are happy with that.
I understand that nobody likes to be told what to do but in all sincerity, choose your battles. This one really isn't worth the hassle.

Subject: RE: BS: smoking in uk pubs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 May 07 - 04:20 PM

Smoking rooms have been banned because staff have to enter them

I've never understood that one. Why couldn't the punters just be left to look after themselves, without having staff run around after them and tidy up and fetch and carry for them or whatever? I suppose it might get a bit squalid in there after a while, but only if the smokers actually preferred it that way.