BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:59 PM

I stand corrected, BW - and hope to know English folk better than AMERICAN pop.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 06:18 PM

As ‘Your Song’ was written by two Englishmen, in the kitchen of one’s parents’ home in North London, and recorded at Trident Studios in London long before Elton John had released any material in the US, suggest that it’s BRITISH Pop, and to propose the notion that it’s American is nothing short of ridiculous.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 06:19 PM

Should have said I would suggest…

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 06:35 PM

Lots of British have copied American pop, BW. I've heard the Rolling Stones mention their musical heroes and they were all Americans. And Paul McCartney, for another example, would not deny that the Beatles were very good at copying an aspect of American culture - he would just say something like "It's a cool thing to do, Man".

K-pop is American pop with Korean words, for a final example.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 09:08 PM

K-pop is Korean pop music with Korean words. It is very popular in the United States. I can't speak for the rest of the Americas.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 09:19 PM

One thing the organisers should be congratulated for anyway. Selecting a heavily ironic reading for Boris Johnson in the Jubilee Service in St Paul’s.

"Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things." (Philippians 4:8).

It should have stuck in his throat. But not Boris of course.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 02:50 AM

Continuing lefty drivel, no surprises there!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 02:57 AM

I haven't watched any of these celebrations. If others enjoy it, that's fine by me, but I have been off visiting family , on walks, etc etc etc.

Because my son lives around 4 hours drive away, I have travelled through a fair few towns and villages in the past week and have been struck by how little sign there is of anything happening. You see little knots of houses where five or six together are festooned in flags and bunting, then great stretches of nothing at all. Anecdotally, there seems to be more in shops than private houses. We drove through one village where it seems the (parish?) council had decided a celebration was needed and there was a large flag on every other lamp post - quite literally - but that was very much the exception.

By comparison, when England was in the world cup recently, I would say there were far more individual houses decorated. Still not a majority, but more than 20% I would estimate. Currently, it seems to be in the 1% region based on my travels.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 02:59 AM

"Anecdotally, there seems to be more in shops than private houses"

I mean the percentage of decorated shops seems greater than the percentage of decorated houses. I don't mean absolute numbers.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 04:46 AM

"K-pop is Korean pop music with Korean words. It is very popular in the United States. I can't speak for the rest of the Americas." yes, SRS, I've noticed Americans rewarding other nationals for Americanising, as I've noticed lots of McDonalds replacing native restaurants around the world, plus overseas American unis & military bases...

As I was once allowed to say on a BBC Free Thinking "Theory Slam" - if you are not American, don't Americanise for the love or our world being multicultural.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 05:44 AM

Not a lot happening up here north of the border. City of Edinburgh Council did publish a list of street closures for street parties: only about 10 in the whole metropolis of “greater Edinburgh”. There’s a free concert on in Princes St Gardens this afternoon, but this was only announced earlier in this last week.
We were out celebrating on Friday night, but this was the 50th anniversary of our local rugby club: should have been in 2020, but twice postponed because of Covid. The church minister who said grace before the meal did conclude with “God save the Queen”.
As for last night, we didn’t survive long at the Jubilee concert. Soon switched over to other channels, mainly BBC ALBA, where you could watch in black-and-white! Fyfe Robertson (remember him?) doing a documentary on a visit to the Western Isles: whisky galore an a’ that!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:58 AM

From England, I tune into BBC ALBA sometimes, TB, because I love our world being multicultural - including Scottish culture in Scotland.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 09:50 AM

WAV, you need to just stop talking. That hole you've dug is very deep.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 10:21 AM

The greatest comeback since Lazarus was Jesus but yours just now, SRS, is astonishing!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 10:29 AM

Aww he only got his songs wrong. Why prolong this yawn? Can't we all get along? :^/

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 10:40 AM

His spin on multiculturalism is mind-boggling.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 11:04 AM

No idea how the Platinum Pageant has gone this afternoon as I've been watching the Roland Garros final, but my stance on multiculturalism, having majored in anthropology, could not be more simple, SRS - it's our world/our United Nations that should be multicultural and England should be a lot more English.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 11:31 AM

I rest my case.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 11:50 AM

If our world is to be more multicultural then perhaps we should be showing rather the way rather than reacting against it.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 11:59 AM

Never mind, Maggie. We republican types (note small r) will all be a lot more serene once this royal brouhaha has passed, and we can go back to talking about how great Boris is, the joys of brexit, how the food banks have improved all our lives, how we were all paying far too little for our petrol and electricity anyway, how three meals a day were only making us fat anyway, how global warming will mean we can sunbathe in our back gardens instead of our getting stuck at airports by those silly staff shortages, etc. etc. Feel free to add more facets to my burgeoning feelgood factor... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 12:06 PM

I was practising fingering on my tenor recorder/English flute whilst watching Roland Garros, at home, Manitas; and, as for know your enemy, I did tune-in to the other Platinum events.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 02:15 PM

Like most people WAV forgets the soul is from the universe and is in the universe so whether you are tribal, cosmopolitan, multicultural or meta cultural its splitting hairs that are a delusional man made fantasy. imho
example:
Its entertaining to envision the stereotypical Englishman from a New Yorker Point of view and compare that to the stereotypical Englishman from the point of view of a resident of Mumbai. Multiculturalism is an ever moving changing irrelevant idea from moment to moment. Whether a person is a hooligan in denim or a proper gentlemen in tweed the ideas of multiculturalism is secondary to soul education of all kinds beyond the bounds of nation states, isolationism or religious tradition.
Maybe I missed your point but I stand by mine regarding the mind of man.
Now when does the jubilee have beer night?

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 04:34 PM

Just caught up with the "highlights" of the Platinum Jubilee Pageant and, if there was any Morris- or clog-dancing, the BBC producer/editor decided not to reshow it. And the closest thing to folk music was Ed Sheeran's folk-pop. In modern England's multicultural diversity, the default culture that people come together with for such events is NOT English but American culture, very sadly.

If you believe me/have been able to see it, how do the U.S. citizens on this thread feel about that?

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 05:47 PM

I do have to ask meself whether the powers that be have considered the metallic hue of the next jubilee should the Queen attain the age of 106. Have we ever gone beyond platinum? What metals are left? Uranium? Sodium? Lead? Alloy? Woods metal? Einsteinium? This is serious. This woman has staying power. We can't afford to wait until 2031 to crack this one, though that would be the British way...

I'm plumping for caesium. Yes, I can see it now. The divorcees William and Kate can't be involved. Charles, now in his eighties, won't be allowed out of his nursing home. Prinny Anne will be running a geriatric horse-riding school on the plains of Outer Mongolia. Boris Johnson will have been in jail for the last eight years, so he's out of it. Harry will be US president, so he won't be able to make it either.

So the Caesium Jubilee will have her maj at the helm...and the whole show will be run by...


Fergie and Nicholas Witchell! Can't wait!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Charmion
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 05:48 PM

In re cultural domination, this Canadian would like to point out that what comes around goes around.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:17 PM

"Boris Johnson will have been in jail for the last eight years" (S.S.)...I thought he had undiplomatic immunity ever since he got tangled in the union jack at the Olympic Games handover ceremony in Beijing?!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:20 PM

The hologram of the queen in her gold carriage was something.
Paddington bear is closer to the queen than Melania is to Donald.
Happy tea and marmalade sandwhichs to all.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:41 PM

I do have to ask meself whether the powers that be have considered the metallic hue of the next jubilee should the Queen attain the age of 106. Have we ever gone beyond platinum? What metals are left? Uranium? Sodium? Lead? Alloy? Woods metal? Einsteinium? This is serious. This woman has staying power. We can't afford to wait until 2031 to crack this one, though that would be the British way...

These are not based on the royal family alone.
A quick check online will tell you:
55th        Emerald        
60th        Diamond        
65th        Sapphire        
70th        Platinum        
75th        Diamond        
80th        Oak
85th        Wine        
90th        Stone        

That is if you were seriously asking. But in view of your comments about the royal family I would guess that you're not really interested in getting an answer.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:44 PM

So further to Steves "Fergie and Nicholas Witchell" possible plausible outcome, Donuel, it could be holograms or simply a man-with-a-van around the corner to Madame Tussauds, along with some careful study of the El Cid movie?

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:44 PM

from The Guardian - Platinum jubilee pageant mixes British eccentricity with a touch of chaos Sunday’s parade descended into random silliness after a bizarre and forgetful look at the UK through the decades.

‘We want a queen who is like a parent’: Observer writers down the decades on the monarch’s reign A selection of this newspaper’s writing about the monarch since she became queen when, as the fashion editor wrote, ‘surprise is an undesired quality’

From Australia Broadcasting corporation - Queen Elizabeth II's Platinum Jubilee celebrations end with pageant through London ... Sunday's pageant through central London was due to conclude the fourth and final day of the Queen's Platinum Jubilee that has been marked by a military parade, a Royal Air Force fly-past, a service of thanksgiving and a glittering concert ...

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 07:02 PM

Thanks Sandra and, more seriously, I thought the military music (apart from the use of horses - as above) and the service of thanksgiving were good and traditional.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 08:03 PM

US citizens feel that you are an idiot, WAV. That is all.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 01:40 AM

The horses were magnificent in Trooping the Colour ceremony.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 03:02 AM

‘Newsthump’ puts all the nonsense into perspective…

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 03:08 AM

And, thinking about it, I’m beginning to Wonder if this guy is actually our very own Bonzo3legs? Certainly Bonz is an accountant, and he’s very excited about the past weekend’s nonsense - it all adds up to it being him I reckon! ;-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 03:09 AM

Watching those horses was wonderful. It's made me agree to my kind neighbour's offer to lend me her mare for a hack in the fields round here (accompanied by her on another horse). I was horse-mad as a girl and spent every weekend on horseback. I hope the poor thing can carry my ... er...weight!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 04:47 AM

We've been calling it plattyjoobs for days! I haven't decided whether that's ridicule or a term of endearment...

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 05:10 AM

...just read "platty joobs" and thought the thread had drifted to a discussion of tropical fish.

SRS - only been to New York and L.A. and, for what it's worth, got on a bit better with U.S. citizens in the latter.

Bonzo - the horses had no choice in the Trooping of the Colour ceremony; you may say that the Andalusian Horse shows in Cordoba, Spain, are even more "magnificent" but, to get them to do all that, requires even more cruelty.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 05:25 AM

That is a matter of opinion, I know a former cavalryman, and I can assure you that those horses are treated like royalty!!!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 08:01 AM

Likewise polo ponies.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 09:52 AM

SRS (5th June): I agree with WaV on this one: the service was properly solemn, and the parade was an exercise in military precision. And there's nowt so heartening as a well-rehearsed joke carried off well --- Paddington's gong is doubtless in the post, and Prince Philip would have been delighted.

I'll (perhaps) comment separately about ludicrosity of ceremonies.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 10:26 AM

The Paddington Bear bit was cute. And at the very end of the video you hear tea cups being tinged to the Queen beat. Subtle.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 02:07 PM

As a techie, I deeply appreciated the accuracy of their timing. Truly the cherry on that cake.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 04:43 PM

Well. I was at Imperial College at the same time as Brian May. I think that he's a superb rock guitarist and I think he and he alone has earned the right to decide on his axes. We have enough cittern and other plucked thingie players, and long live the diversity. I like both varieties and lots in between and I'm not bothered whether they're English, American, Madagascan or Faroese as long as they make a good noise.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 06:07 PM

I have not watched any of the padgentry over the last few days but I am delighted to assertain that the queen, apparently, has seen fit to welcome a Peruvian asylum seeker into the country especially one who may have Jewish antecedents.

Long live Pastuso!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 02:06 AM

My new neighbour-across-the-road still has her Union Jack flying from her enormous flagpole, and it's STILL upside down. I'm so, so tempted to go over and point this out (typical bossy retired teacher and ex-Girl Guide) It's actually a distress signal, perhaps she needs help?

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 02:44 AM

in a neighbourly spirit you need to help her!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 06:11 AM

Well, her brother hoisted the same flag upside down several months ago, when he erected the flagpole for her. I did pop over then to point this out to him. He's ex RAF and should have known. But I hesitate to stick my nose in yet again. She's a very nice lady, and I don't like being a bossy busybody!

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 07:31 AM

On reflection, Gilly, and despite having allowed myself to react to his post above, I believe WAV falls into the same category as Bonzo3legs, and is best ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: HM The Queen's Platinum Jubilee!
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 07:47 AM

"Best ignored" BW (& Dave & Gillymor) if you like Americanisation/globalisation/John Lennon's "Imagine". I do NOT want us all to live the one culture, & the best way to have diversity, WITH PEACE, is positive nationalism & more respect for the United Nations.

(And you could at least accept by now that I genuinely hate imperialism - be it Nazi, British, or any other.)