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Subject: BS: Burning Korans From: dick greenhaus Date: 07 Sep 10 - 05:45 PM US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning "Terry Jones Terry Jones said he had prayed over the matter but insisted the Koran-burning would go ahead A small US church says it will defy international condemnation and go ahead with plans to burn copies of the Koran on the 9/11 anniversary. The top US commander in Afghanistan warned troops' lives would be in danger if the Dove World Outreach Center in Florida went through with the plan. Muslim countries, the US government and Nato have also hit out at the plan. But organiser, Pastor Terry Jones said: "We must send a clear message to the radical element of Islam." I'm speechless. How in hell can we send a clear message tto the radical element of Florida Christianity? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Amergin Date: 07 Sep 10 - 05:51 PM Maybe we should hold bible burning rallies.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Tangledwood Date: 07 Sep 10 - 05:56 PM It sounds as if a pastor burning rally would get closer to the source of the problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:03 PM Only by going to the Dove Center in Gainesville and shaking some sense into the guy. Or giving him a hotfoot. Extract from their "About Us." "We need to speak up against sin and call the people to repentence. Abortion is murder. Homosexuality is sin. We need to call these things what they are and bring the world the true message: that Jesus is the way............... "Any religion which would profess anything other than this truth is of the devil. This is why we also take a stand against Islam, which teaches that Jesus is not the Son of God, therefore taking away the saving power of Jesus Christ and leading people straight to Hell. ......." Islam Is of the Devil, the new book by Dr. Terry Jopnes, is available now ! "Order your copy at IslamIsOfTheDevil.com " http://www.doveworld.org/about-us Canada has a hate law, unfortunately the U. S. does not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: kendall Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:11 PM How do these mental cases get where they are? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: beeliner Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:13 PM Canada has a hate law, unfortunately the U. S. does not. Well, I dunno about that, to formulate such a law in the USA without encroaching on free speech would be tricky. ANY kind of book burning is extremely stupid in the light of that practice's history. I can't imagine any worse way, short of physical violence, to protest anything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:14 PM "How in hell can we send a clear message to the radical element of Florida Christianity?" Perhaps Mr Winchester can help.... no - we can't, cause then we are no different .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:16 PM "How do these mental cases get where they are? " AS log as 'Religion' is treated differently from any other field of endeavor, we have to tolerate, nay, even protect these sorts of nutcases ... for 'religion' is better than all the rest of us, so we are told .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: EBarnacle Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:16 PM If there were such a thing as killing fools before they were of an age to reproduce, there would be no next generation. In common with other bigots, he cannot see beyond the end of his nose to the consequences of his actions. What he sees is a group of militants and believes they are representative of all Muslims. The Islamic radicals will take his actions as typical of all Christians, Evangelistic or otherwise and use this as a recruiting tool. Of such things are crusades/jihads born or extended. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:30 PM "If there were such a thing as killing fools before they were of an age to reproduce, there would be no next generation." Aren't I lucky then? :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: katlaughing Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:35 PM How in hell can we send a clear message tto the radical element of Florida Christianity? Exactly my thought, Dick, when I heard the story on NPR. This is why we also take a stand against Islam, which teaches that Jesus is not the Son of God, therefore taking away the saving power of Jesus Christ and leading people straight to Hell. ......." He sure isn't giving Jesus much credit for being all-powerful, is he? Just the teachings of Islam take it all away? I guess the pastor won't be saved if he really believes that! Reminds me of one of my fav. bumper stickers: Click Here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Leadfingers Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:46 PM The Mind Boggles !! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Greg F. Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:47 PM Yet more fundagelical bigoted cretin "christians"[sic]. Lets see the "mainstream" "christians"[sic] come out & condemn these jackasses. (PS: Don't hold your breath) So ya say Islam is the major threat to the U.S.? Gimmie them over these "christians"[sic] any day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Rapparee Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:48 PM I swear I thought this said "Burning Koreans." Maybe the pastor is just looking for publicity. He's found it, at the expense (again!) of the US, NATO, Western Europe, and Christianity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: gnu Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:50 PM That is one sick puupy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Bill D Date: 07 Sep 10 - 06:54 PM It is idiocy and provocation of the worst sort to engage in burning sacred texts of ANYONE's religion.... and in this case it is doubly stupid. I suspect this guy and his 'followers' INTEND to foment trouble and hope that stirring up a hornet's nest will give someone an excuse to wipe out hornets. I hope someone can |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Sep 10 - 07:12 PM I have mixed feelings on this. I've read that "Pastor" Terry Jones leads a flock of fewer than 50 people, so maybe the best thing we can do is not give him the publicity that may swell his church to thousands. On the other hand, it's clear that the US and Europe are rife with anti-Islamic bigotry and Jones is only the tip of the iceberg, so maybe it IS important to give a clear demonstration of sympathy and respect for Islam. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: katlaughing Date: 07 Sep 10 - 07:14 PM GregF, it's good to believe in the good of some people: Counterprotests are planned across the street from the church during the burning. In addition, the Gainesville Interfaith Forum is organizing a "Gathering for Peace, Understanding, and Hope." That event is set for Sept. 10, Friday night, and is open to Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and all others. "The message I'm getting is that the vast, vast, vast majority of people believe that we can all get along," says Dan Johnson, minister at Trinity United Methodist Church, where the gathering will be held. He said he's receiving supportive e-mails from across the country. Dr. Johnson said the centerpiece of the gathering will be loaves of bread from around the world. Amergin, someone has started just that on Facebook...a call for bible burning...which won't prove a thing. I don't think this is one time where one should fight fire with fire, pun intended. Gen. Patraeus is warning this idiot will put our troops in greater jeopardy if he does this. The idiot has been refused a burning permit, but vows to carry on. I hope a BIG firetruck aims a great big stream from a giant hose all over him and his fire! It's incredible one little pissant like this can cause such an uproar throughout the world and potentially cause so much strife. What a sick bastard. May his god bless and wake him up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: GUEST,David E. Date: 07 Sep 10 - 07:18 PM Somewhere out there in this big mad world of ours, someone, at this very moment, is doing something loving and sacrificial for someone in need in the name of Jesus. Not that you'd ever know about it. But let one fool who claims to be speaking for Christians say or do something idiotic and the media are all over it. Shame on Terry Jones and shame on the media for giving him an audience. David E. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: kendall Date: 07 Sep 10 - 07:29 PM As far as I can see, all religions are nothing but superstition based on fear, ignorance and ego. All are tarred with the same brush. Their main function is to keep the masses in line with threats of hell and damnation. Rubbish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 10 - 07:38 PM The problem here is that no one with any stature has ever stood up to the extreme elements of the Christain Right... I mean, folks like Billy Graham or even Charles Stanley... This is where the "parenting" went wrong and now the loonie Christain Right thinks (bad word) that anything goes... They are some very misguided people who have never been called to the carpet for stuff like killin' abortion doctors... That is very messed up and now we'd had about 2 decades of some very un-Christain behaviors that were allowed a "pass" and it's kinda too late... But the same stuff is happening all over America... I mean, people going to town meetings with the intent of shouting down and bullying other folks who might have come to the meetings with real concerns and questions... I mean, like the guy with the gun at the Obama rally... I mean, like yelling "hang him" or "kill him" about Obama when Sarah Palin addressed crowds... So, it's no wonder that this guy isn't the least bit concerned about retaliation on our service men and women in harms way on Afganistan... He really doesn't give a flin' fuck about these people... Truth be known, down inside his twisted little mind he hopes every day that things will go terribly wrong in Afganistan because he hates Obama and thinks it will hurt Obama??? But we have alot of that thinkin' in America these days... Lotta folks want the country to fail 'cuase they hate 1. A Dem in the White House and 2. they hate a black man in the White House... To these folks there's a reason they call it the "White" House... Shame on out country for allowing such bad behavior on the right go unpunished and now it's way too late... We are a much less civil society having let these loonies, like spoiled children, do whatever they please... It's out of control... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: beardedbruce Date: 07 Sep 10 - 07:59 PM IMO they have the right to burn them- as the Afghans have the right to burn bibles. But I do not think it to be a wise move. But just consider ANY action proposed against this group as if we were to apply it to those who burn bibles. Would you object in that case? What about those who burn flags? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Bill D Date: 07 Sep 10 - 08:07 PM If they go thru with this stupid act, I hope NO news media takes video that can be used in Afghanistan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 10 - 08:09 PM Flag burnin'??? Man, them were the good ol' days... Good music..l. Good drugs... Good sex... Yeah, the 60s were somethin' else but... ...sniff... Them days are gone and folks don't burn flags anymore... Might of fact, I can't remember the last Bible burnin' either... Not that I miss Bible burnin's though must admit to not knowing that these things ever happened in this country... I donno... Maybe people did... Not people I knew, if it did happen... But I agree with bruce... May not be the wisest thinng to do, especially if there is a major retaliation where some of our service people are killed... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: mauvepink Date: 07 Sep 10 - 08:09 PM One would sincerely hope that the Muslims will see this for what it is and NOT retaliate. The Qur'ân is a text of peace and I truly hope that the Muslims will not hold Americans responsible for this stupid and offensive stunt. I well imagine to Islam that this is a terrible terrible insult and find it more than offensive myself Surely there is some law that can stop this going ahead? Is the man mentally ill or plain evil to want to do such a thing by showing no respect for his religion, consequently Christ's message of Peace and Forgiveness, no thought to the potential (almost certain) consequences of such a crass act. Let us all hope this does not come to fruition mp |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: beardedbruce Date: 07 Sep 10 - 08:12 PM He probably thinks it's a good idea, like those building a new Islamic center in NYC- the have the RIGHT, but it would be better if they did not. I fear the laws that would enforce respect far more than the actions I disaproove of. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: gnu Date: 07 Sep 10 - 08:18 PM ``I fear the laws that would enforce respect far more than the actions I disaproove of.`` Indeed. Freedom first. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Beer Date: 07 Sep 10 - 08:23 PM David E. "Shame on Terry Jones and shame on the media for giving him an audience". I completely agree. I know it won't happen as it would cause to much of an up-roar, but I wish that your President would step in and just say that this is wrong and I will not let it take place. He is the commander in charge. This is totally totally wrong. Ad. |
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Subject: SAVE A LIFE - BUY A BOOK From: Donuel Date: 07 Sep 10 - 08:27 PM The preacher says he is listening to God and praying everyday about their book burning. LETS SPEAK FOR GOD - AND OFFER 1,000 DOLLARS PER BOOK THEY DO NOT BURN AND A BONUS for not burning a single book. We have been buying off morons in the middle east for 60 years. Its time we buy off morons* in this country. * this includes mormons like Beck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Ebbie Date: 07 Sep 10 - 08:29 PM Actually, Glenn Beck has condemned the plan. Haven't read anything bout Limpaugh or Hannity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Donuel Date: 07 Sep 10 - 08:41 PM Glen should put his money where his mouth is and shove it up his ass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Sep 10 - 09:07 PM Terry Jones crosses swords with nearly everybody in Gainesville (pop. about 260,000). The mayor, Craig Lowe, is openly gay. Some two dozen churches in Gainesville are planning events, including readings from the Qu'ran at their weekend services. The Fire Department has refused to give Terry Jones a burn permit. Jones says he has received death threats and has strapped a .40 caliber pistol to his hip. Reports from the Gainesville Times and Gainesville Sun. Gainesville has at least one Islamic Center. The University of Florida, Gainesville, some 50,000 students on campus, has a football game the same day as the proposed book burning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Rapparee Date: 07 Sep 10 - 09:41 PM So let him do it, then slap him with a citation for burning without a permit. As for burning the US flag, same deal. Cite them for illegal burning. Or just tell them that they can burn away -- in front of the police or fire stations, any Armed Forces recruiting station, the local National Guard or Reserve Armory, the American Legion Hall.... These idiots are just like that bunch in Westport, KS that go to military funerals. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. And you know what they say about opinions.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Ebbie Date: 07 Sep 10 - 09:42 PM Here is what appears to be his final view of the matter: "Let's just make one thing clear. A small church, in a small town, down a back road, burning copies of its own books, on its own property, is not responsible for the violent actions anyone may take in retaliation to our protest. Remember, Paul did not make the snake, the fire drove it out and he was bitten. If violence happens in reaction to this, the violence was not caused by us, it has just been exposed." http://www.doveworld.org/blog/5-more-reasons-to-burn-the-koran |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Bobert Date: 07 Sep 10 - 10:18 PM Yeah, ya' want the truth then go talk with the taxman... Not... No, matter.... Paul got some things right about man's relationship with God... So, ya' circumvent the "What would Jesus do?" to "What would God do?"... Yeah, I understand that Jesus told Mathew "Thru me you will know the Father" but think about it??? If the Father made us all in His own likeness then, what??? Folks who ain't Christain ain't His creatures??? Big problem there fir folks who are so intolerant of others that they are incapable of just takin' the entire story down to basics... Either God made us all in His likeness or He didn't??? And... ...if He did then, hey, this is more about the "middlemen", ain't it??? No matter... The Good Reverand needs to take a little refresher at the local seminary on "God's love" and leave that ol' Southern sports (especially NASCAR) pissed-off mentality behind him like... ...dust being shaken from the robe... Can I get an amen??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Don Firth Date: 07 Sep 10 - 10:33 PM Vast numbers of Christian churches of all denominations have strongly condemned this action. I've heard several news reports today to that effect. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Sep 10 - 11:32 PM Allah, give me strength! God, give me patience! Jesus, keep my sense of humour from collapsing totally. Chongo, please pass me a ripe mango. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Ebbie Date: 07 Sep 10 - 11:36 PM Liddle Hawk, what kind of code word is that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: mousethief Date: 07 Sep 10 - 11:42 PM How do these mental cases get where they are? On the backs of mental migets. AS log as 'Religion' is treated differently from any other field of endeavor, we have to tolerate, nay, even protect these sorts of nutcases ... for 'religion' is better than all the rest of us, so we are told .... How do you want religion to be treated? I don't understand. How is the way religion is treated any different from the way any other voluntary non-profit association is treated? All you can do is take away their tax break, which should have been done long ago anyway. Lets see the "mainstream" "christians"[sic] come out & condemn these jackasses. (PS: Don't hold your breath) You are quite wrong about that. I don't suppose an apology is forthcoming? As far as I can see, all religions are nothing but superstition based on fear, ignorance and ego. All are tarred with the same brush. Their main function is to keep the masses in line with threats of hell and damnation. Rubbish. Boy, THAT helped the conversation along. If the Father made us all in His own likeness then, what??? Folks who ain't Christain ain't His creatures??? Whoa, non-sequitur alert. How does the latter come from the former? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: GUEST,EBarnacle Date: 07 Sep 10 - 11:49 PM I have changed my mind. He should be encouraged to burn the Korans, the Bible and the Torah, as well as assorted other holy books...on the wooden floor of his church with all of his parishoners inside. If he's right, whatever supreme being there is will keep them all alive like Daniel in the fiery furnace. If not, no loss. PS, since he is almost certainly a TeaBagger, no fire department should come to their rescue, as they are all supported to some level by taxes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Sep 10 - 12:01 AM "How do you want religion to be treated? I don't understand." It is ALWAYS treated as 'special', as are those who claim they are 'acting in accordance with their Religious Beliefs'. If it wasn't, people like him who make such 'guided pronouncements - guided by some "Supreme Being" - not accountable to humanity for their actions!' would be called a nutter just like those who claim they are Jesus or Napoleon and locked up for safety reasons, ours AND his. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: LadyJean Date: 08 Sep 10 - 12:06 AM The allegedly Reverend Terry Jones is a flaming asshole. Happily, he also sounds like a publicity hound. It's possible if somebody lets him spout his barf on their television show, he'll call off the conflagration. It works for those fools at Westport Baptist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 08 Sep 10 - 12:13 AM The koran is just a book as is the bible. It is the unfortunate intent of arseholes on both sides of the equation to fan flames. If a book is burned another can be printed tomorrow but people dying over such a cause is asinine. I am at this time watching a documentary on TV about a man who tried to kill his sister because she brought "dishonor" to him and his family (she was going to go to college in New York City over her parents objection). He is doing 10 years in Attica but the piece of shit still blames his sister for putting him there. If religions would demand peaceful co-existance on this planet, instead of promoting bigotry and ignorance, I would have more respect for them. Fools on both sides must come out of the dark ages! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Don Firth Date: 08 Sep 10 - 12:49 AM "If religions would demand peaceful co-existance on this planet, instead of promoting bigotry and ignorance, I would have more respect for them. Fools on both sides must come out of the dark ages!" The tenets of all the world's religions demand peaceful co-existence with others, including those with whom one disagrees. The Ten Commandments say, "Thou shalt not kill." This is one of the foundations of both Judaism and Christianity. The Koran states that to kill one person is as if one killed the whole world. And there are good reasons why Jesus is called "The Prince of Peace." "Love one another," is hardly a call to battle, nor is "Love thine enemies." This is what is written in the scriptures of these religions. Now, if only those who claim to be Muslim, Christian, or what have you, really knew what their religions actually call for--and abide by it--it would be a whole different world. Oftentimes it's the so-called "religious" leaders who are primarily to blame. But the followers of these leaders share the blame, too, for not reading the Scriptures for themselves instead of allowing them to interpreted for them by some minister, rabbi, or imam. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: mousethief Date: 08 Sep 10 - 01:05 AM It is ALWAYS treated as 'special', as are those who claim they are 'acting in accordance with their Religious Beliefs'. If it wasn't, people like him who make such 'guided pronouncements - guided by some "Supreme Being" - not accountable to humanity for their actions!' would be called a nutter just like those who claim they are Jesus or Napoleon and locked up for safety reasons, ours AND his. Huh? No religious nutters have ever gone to jail? No religious compounds have ever been burned down by the feds? Dude, religious nutters are held accountable for their actions. Shoot, Jesus was killed for his actions. What more do you want? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Clontarf83 Date: 08 Sep 10 - 01:07 AM Anyone done any digging on this "Pastor's" history--he looks like a mediocrity that has found an opportunity to ride on a wave of ignorance and hate---I wonder what his history would tell us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 08 Sep 10 - 02:16 AM Let's be fair! If the pastor spoke to God, and God didn't deter him from his intention to burn the books, who are we to criticise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 10 - 02:36 AM How do we get God to confirm that he agrees with that pastor's actions, Tunesmith? ;-) In most wars everyone except militant communists claims that God is backing their side! This means either that... 1. Someone is lying. 2. Someone is mistaken. 3. God backs all sides. (an intriguing way of looking at it...) or 4. They're just blathering away like that to motivate their soldiers and make them feel good about killing the people on the other side. Just standard government propaganda, in other words. Communists, however, have usually made it a really strong point to the Party faithful that God is NOT backing their side or anyone else's, because there IS no God (except for the Party, of course...heh!)...and there are no holy books (except the ones written by Marx and Engels which state clearly that there is no God). It's equally self-serving bullshit on either side, in my opinion, but everybody likes to think they're special and that their way is best, don't they? ;-) My point to all that is, why should I focus exclusively on how self-serving and vain the religious of this world may be when the anti-religious of this world are so often equally self-serving and vain? Ebbie - The ripe mango isn't code for anything. I literally want Chongo to pass me a ripe mango because they're delicious, I want Allah to give me strength, I want God to give me patience, I want Jesus to help keep my sense of humour alive in stressful times, I want the Communists to provide free health care, the capitalists to provide flexible entrepreneurship, the religious and the anti-religious to both mind their own busines and not pester other people, and I'd also like to have a new Dachshund pup and maybe half a million in the bank. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 08 Sep 10 - 03:20 AM Anyone quoted Heinrich Heine yet? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans From: Lox Date: 08 Sep 10 - 05:22 AM Bruce, Do you defend the burning of books in Nazi Germany too? |
