BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 May 13 - 07:47 PM

Bruce is the 'LOONIE perspective' here??????

Greg,....Dear Greggie Boy,...was THAT the extent of your intellectual, insightful, informative rebuttal to the topic?????????????

That's IT???

Is that supposed to be 'righteous indignation', to play on the heart strings of fellow 'so-called liberal' bleeding heart feelings???

I'm swayed!!!!
(rolls eyes).....

GfS

P.S. You, and your ilk, do as much to boost Bruce's credibility, as the facts he is posting.....get over it, and hop on the ol' clue train!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 May 13 - 08:32 PM

Bruce's credibility,

As is the case with Glenn's, Rush's (& their fellow travellers) and yours, "Bruce's Credibility" is an oxymoronic expression.

Or possibly simply moronic.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 13 - 01:19 AM

I has a lot to do with the 'news' services (read propaganda) that caters to which side of the 'divide' you happen to listen to.
I have little doubt that both of you two are sincere people, in your own ways...what causes the 'distance' of points of view, happens to be shaped by the media's biases, that create, then exploit controversies, instead of doing what they are supposed to do, and that is keep the people INFORMED, with the TRUTH, so the electorate can make informed decisions, and keep their elected people accountable.
This isn't going on...instead, you have corporate interests governing the way people are led to think about various things..NOT for the interest or well being of the people, to whom they are reporting to, but for positioning masses of people, to swallow whatever crap, and be misinformed..while the real culprits get away with murder, fraud, wars, swindling, manipulations of the economy, etc etc, solely for the 'best' interests, of their power mongering. Obama is just as fucked up as Bush, and just as big of a phony...AND they are doing, and continue on doing the SAME things!.....and/or continuations of the same 'projects'....for their string pullers, behind the scenes.
Truth to tell, if people knew what was REALLY going on, and what decisions are being made, in closed doors, they'd ALL be in jail!!..along with most of our 'so-called' representatives!!!
Bruce posts reports....the left, (almost) posts countering 'reports'. The fact is, there is a lot of ass covering going on, for a lot of treasonous, if not felonious, activities going on....and who gets hurt??..virtually every family, every plan to succeed, and to the freedoms that too many have just taken for granted!
The IRS debacle, Benghazi, the intrusive snooping, NDAA, phony corporate bailouts, manufactured 'bubbles', designed to burst,..all of it, and more, are not here to benefit the common citizen....neither is the covering up, of what is either incompetence, or corruption.
I think we could agree on that....but this partisan, ideological, theatrical soap opera, has been NOTHING BUT a drain on the country, as a whole, benefited no one, and, in fact, has been elevated to the 'grand distraction', to keep these crooks free from scrutiny.....wouldn't you say??

I'll leave you with that....if you're going to respond, keep it on topic......shooting the messenger doesn't work anymore...we already know you're out of bullets!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 May 13 - 07:24 AM

I'm getting a bit sick of this blythe assumption that none of us has the capacity to think for ourselves, except for a self obsessed clown who cannot string three sentences of coherent thought togather to save his life.

Give your delusions of intelligence a rest for a while, and devote a little time to learning some minute amount of basic English grammar (a minute amount should be within your capabilities), then you may be able to poduce comprehensible prose.

I'm not holding my breath though!

Truly you are Gone far from Sanity.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 21 May 13 - 08:48 AM

GfS(OS)
Re your latest semi-coherent rant, citing the Washington Times as a "news service" reveals the degree of your delusion. They are widely known as the propaganda arm of the GOP and more broadly all conservative/reactionary causes. Do a little digging if you really are interested in the truth. If you're not so inclined heed the words of Thomas Jefferson, "it's better to be ignorant than misinformed". Maybe you should take up basket weaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 09:02 AM

How Hope and Change Gave Way to Spying on the Press
by Kirsten Powers May 21, 2013 4:45 AM EDT


Much of the Fourth Estate shrugged when the Obama administration attacked Fox News, writes Kirsten Powers. But now it's coming for them, too.

First they came for Fox News, and they did not speak out—because they were not Fox News. Then they came for government whistleblowers, and they did not speak out—because they were not government whistleblowers. Then they came for the maker of a YouTube video, and—okay, we know how this story ends. But how did we get here?

James Rosen (Fox News, via Media Matters)

Turns out it's a fairly swift sojourn from a president pushing to "delegitimize" a news organization to threatening criminal prosecution for journalistic activity by a Fox News reporter, James Rosen, to spying on Associated Press reporters. In between, the Obama administration found time to relentlessly persecute government whistleblowers and publicly harass and condemn a private American citizen for expressing his constitutionally protected speech in the form of an anti-Islam YouTube video.

Where were the media when all this began happening? With a few exceptions, they were acting as quiet enablers.

It's instructive to go back to the dawn of Hope and Change. It was 2009, and the new administration decided it was appropriate to use the prestige of the White House to viciously attack a news organization—Fox News—and the journalists who work there. Remember, President Obama had barely been in office and had enjoyed the most laudatory press of any new president in modern history. Yet even one outlet that allowed dissent or criticism of the president was one too many. This should have been a red flag to everyone, regardless of what they thought of Fox News. The math was simple: if the administration would abuse its power to try and intimidate one media outlet, what made anyone think they weren't next?


President Obama went after Fox News in this 2009 interview with CNBC.
These series of "warnings" to the Fourth Estate were what you might expect to hear from some third-rate dictator, not from the senior staff of Hope and Change, Inc.
"What I think is fair to say about Fox … is that it really is more a wing of the Republican Party," said Anita Dunn, White House communications director, on CNN. "[L]et's not pretend they're a news network the way CNN is." On ABC's "This Week" White House senior adviser David Axelrod said Fox is "not really a news station." It wasn't just that Fox News was "not a news organization," White House chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel told CNN's John King, but, "more [important], is [to] not have the CNNs and the others in the world basically be led in following Fox, as if what they're trying to do is a legitimate news organization …"

These series of "warnings" to the Fourth Estate were what you might expect to hear from some third-rate dictator, not from the senior staff of Hope and Change, Inc.

Yet only one mainstream media reporter—Jake Tapper, then of ABC News—ever raised a serious objection to the White House's egregious and chilling behavior. Tapper asked future MSNBC commentator and then White House press secretary Robert Gibbs: "[W]hy is [it] appropriate for the White House to say" that "thousands of individuals who work for a media organization, do not work for a 'news organization'?" The spokesman for the president of the United States was unrepentant, saying: "That's our opinion."

Trashing reporters comes easy in Obama-land. Behind the scenes, Obama-centric Democratic operatives brand any reporter who questions the administration as a closet conservative, because what other explanation could there be for a reporter critically reporting on the government?

Now, the Democratic advocacy group Media Matters—which is always mysteriously in sync with the administration despite ostensibly operating independently—has launched a smear campaign against ABC News reporter Jonathan Karl for his reporting on Benghazi. It's the kind of character assassination that would make Joseph McCarthy blush. The main page of the Media Matters website has six stories attacking Karl for a single mistake in an otherwise correct report about the State Department's myriad changes to talking points they previously claimed to have barely touched. See, the problem isn't the repeated obfuscating from the administration about the Benghazi attack; the problem is Jonathan Karl. Hence, the now-familiar campaign of de-legitimization. This gross media intimidation is courtesy of tax-deductable donations from the Democratic Party's liberal donor base, which provides a whopping $20 million a year for Media Matters to harass reporters who won't fall in line.

In what is surely just a huge coincidence, the liberal media monitoring organization Fairness and Accuracy in the Media (FAIR) is also on a quest to delegitimize Karl. It dug through his past and discovered that in college he allegedly—horrors!—associated with conservatives. Because of this, FAIR declared Karl "a right wing mole at ABC News." Setting aside the veracity of FAIR's crazy claim, isn't the fact that it was made in the first place vindication for those who assert a liberal media bias in the mainstream media? If the existence of a person who allegedly associates with conservatives is a "mole," then what does that tell us about the rest of the media?

What all of us in the media need to remember—whatever our politics—is that we need to hold government actions to the same standard, whether they're aimed at friends or foes. If not, there's no one but ourselves to blame when the administration takes aim at us.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/21/how-hope-and-change-gave-way-to-spying-on-the-press.html?utm_source=feedburner&

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 13 - 09:33 AM

And now Faux News, caught in outright lies so many times that everyone has lost count, and with the documented distinction that people who rely on Faux News are more ignotant and misinformed than people who watch no news at all.

Beardy, please tell us that you don't REALLY believe this horseshit - people keep saying that you're an intelligent guy- but that can't be true if you fall for the garbage Fox puts out.

And by the way, paraphrasing Pastor Niemöller in this connection is really offensive.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 09:59 AM

Hey SFB,


The post was NOT from Fox-


The Daily Beast was founded in 2008 as the vision of Tina Brown and IAC Chairman Barry Diller. Curated to avoid information overload, the site is dedicated to breaking news and sharp commentary. In 2011, The Daily Beast became the online home of Newsweek magazine, which has served as the world's preeminent conversation starter since its founding in 1933. Tina Brown, former editor of Vanity Fair, The New Yorker and Talk, serves as editor-in-chief of both publications. The combined operation now regularly attracts over 18 million unique online visitors a month and the magazine reaches millions more through its tablet and international editions.




Try reading the post before letting the vacuum out of your head.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 10:23 AM

Poll: Majority believe IRS targeting of Tea Party was intentional
By Meghashyam Mali         - 05/21/13 07:41 AM ET
   
A new poll finds that a majority of Americans believe the Internal Revenue Service targeting scandal was an intentional effort to harass conservative political groups.
In a Washington Post/ABC News poll released Tuesday, 56 percent said the IRS use of higher scrutiny on Tea Party groups seeking tax exempt status was a deliberate move, with 31 percent calling it an "administrative mistake."

A strong majority, 74 percent, said the IRS moves were inappropriate to 20 percent who said they were appropriate. Fifty-one percent also said they believe those actions were illegal to 44 who said they were inappropriate but not against the law.
A plurality also believe the administration is not being forthcoming about the targeting scandal. Forty-five percent said the administration is trying to cover up facts, with 42 percent saying the White House has honestly disclosed what they know.
The controversy over the IRS, the Justice Department's seizure of reporters' phone records and the administration's Benghazi talking points have kept the White House on the defensive this month.
The WP/ABC News poll, however, suggests the scandals have yet to damage the president's personal standing.
Obama holds a 51 percent approval rating to 44 percent negative.
Lawmakers though are pressing for answers on when senior officials at Treasury and the White House first learned about the political bias at the IRS and what steps they took to stop it.
On Monday, the White House acknowledged that senior officials were aware of an inspector general report into the improper targeting, but decided not to tell President Obama. White House counsel Kathryn Ruemmler learned about the Treasury audit in April.
Press secretary Jay Carney defended the decision to not inform Obama, who has said he learned about the scandal when it became public on May 10. Carney said that informing the president could have led to charges that the administration was improperly trying to influence the investigation.
But the disclosure that the president's top lawyer knew about the scandal weeks before will likely intensify congressional scrutiny.
On Monday, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and ranking Republican Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) called for the IRS to turn over more documents on the targeting scandal, broadening their investigation. Their panel will hold its first hearing on the IRS scandal on Tuesday.
The House Ways and Means Committee last week heard testimony from acting IRS commissioner Steven Miller, who offered his resignation after the scandal broke.
Calls also grew for a special investigator to probe the matter. On Sunday Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) said he believed a special counsel would be "necessary" to ensure a fair inquiry
The poll was conducted from May 16 to 19 and has a 3.5-point margin of error.


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/300895-poll-majority-believe-irs-targeting-of-tea-party-was-intentional#ixzz2TwAAjMqJ
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 10:25 AM

Poll: Majority suspicious of Benghazi cover-up
By Justin Sink         - 05/21/13 09:32 AM ET
   
A majority of Americans believe that the Obama administration is trying to cover up the facts about the Sept. 11 attack on a U.S. installation in Benghazi and the administration's immediate response, according to a new poll released Tuesday.
The survey, by ABC News and the Washington Post, found that 55 percent of Americans believe the Obama administration is actively attempting to cover up the facts of the Benghazi attack. By contrast, only a third say the White House is honestly disclosing what it knows.
At the same time, respondents were split on whether the Republican criticism of the Obama Administration's handling of the attack was rooted in legitimate concerns. While 44 percent say that the GOP had asked legitimate questions, 45 percent say that Republicans are just engaging in political posturing.

And despite her central role as Secretary of State during the Benghazi attack, Americans still strongly approve of how Hillary Clinton handled her tenure in Foggy Bottom. Of those surveyed, 62 percent approve of Clinton's handling of her job, while 28 percent disapprove.
By contrast, 51 percent approve of President Obama's handling of his job, while 44 percent disapprove.
Last week, the White House released emails it says validate their contention that the talking points used by administration officials after the attack — which suggested the violence grew out of a spontaneous protest, rather than deliberate terrorist plotting — had been driven entirely by the CIA.
But the emails also revealed that talking points underwent extensive edits before they were released, and that the State Department repeatedly expressed concern over initial drafts. The emails also show that then-CIA Director David Petraeus had advocated for fuller disclosure in the initial talking points.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 10:28 AM

Report: Top Obama lawyer told of IRS targeting in April
By Meghashyam Mali         - 05/20/13 06:22 AM ET
   
President Obama's top lawyer was notified in April that the Treasury Department's inspector general had finished an audit of the Internal Revenue Service and uncovered the targeting of conservative groups, according to a report.
The Wall Street Journal reported late Sunday that a senior administration official said White House counsel Kathryn Ruemmler learned about the inspector general's conclusions during the week of April 22, including that IRS agents had directed unfair scrutiny toward Tea Party groups and others who were seeking tax exemption.

Obama press secretary Jay Carney had previously acknowledged that the counsel's office knew that the audit had been completed in April.
The report that White House lawyers may have known the report's findings weeks before they became public will likely fuel GOP questions about when other senior administration officials first learned about the scandal and if the president should have been notified sooner.
President Obama has said he first learned about the IRS misconduct when the public did, on May 10.
The inspector general's office said it notified Treasury Secretary Lew about the audit in March, but that he did not learn about the report findings until they went public.
The White House declined to say if Ruemmler had shared knowledge of the inspector general's findings with other senior administration staff, according to the Journal.
The disclosure of the IRS political targeting has brought criticism from both parties, with Congress beginning hearings. President Obama called the conduct "outrageous" last week and sought and received the resignation of Steven Miller, the acting director of the IRS.
Despite those actions, many GOP lawmakers are questioning if the political targeting was directed or ordered by senior officials in the administration and want further answers on when top Treasury and White House officials first learned of the scandal.
On Sunday, Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) said he believed that a special counsel would eventually be "necessary" to look into the IRS.
The White House, also fighting criticism over the Justice Department's seizure of journalists' phone records and questions over its handling of the Benghazi terror attack, pushed back on Sunday, with senior Obama adviser Dan Pfeiffer mounting a vigorous defense of their handling of the IRS matter.
Pfeiffer vowed that the White House would thoroughly investigate the scandal and ensure it "never happens again."
He denied that the White House in any way influenced or pressured IRS employees to take tougher actions against conservative groups and, citing the inspector general's report, said that no one in the White House had seen the details of the audit beforehand.
"It's important to know what we actually knew, which is just that there was an investigation; it was coming to conclusion. Not that we knew the results. We didn't see the report until it was released last Wednesday," he said on ABC's "This Week."


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 10:58 AM

Many liberal reporters and commentators have dismissed or downplayed the emerging Benghazi and Internal Revenue Service scandals as non-scandals or trifling bureaucratic errors.

But reports that the Justice Department has been targeting journalists, first reporters at The Associated Press and now Fox News' James Rosen, has caused the generally Obama-admiring press to question the purity of their redeemer.

Here are 10 tweets from liberal commentators and reporters expressing outrage on Monday over Rosen-gate:


My experience dealing with @jamesrosenfnc was unpleasant and contentious. And I fully support him against this unwarranted act by DOJ
— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) May 20, 2013
The New Yorker's excellent long-form writer Ryan Lizza:


If James Rosen's "clandestine communications plan" were illegal, every journalist in Washington would be locked up. Unreal.
— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) May 20, 2013


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/20/olbermann-liberal-media-figures-turn-against-obama-over-reporter-targeting/#ixzz2TwIUeUI6

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 11:10 AM

"More whistleblowers will emerge shortly in the escalating Benghazi scandal, according to two former U.S. diplomats who spoke with PJ Media Monday afternoon.

These whistleblowers, colleagues of the former diplomats, are currently securing legal counsel because they work in areas not fully protected by the Whistleblower law.


According to the diplomats, what these whistleblowers will say will be at least as explosive as what we have already learned about the scandal, including details about what really transpired in Benghazi that are potentially devastating to both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

The former diplomats inform PJM the new revelations concentrate in two areas — what Ambassador Chris Stevens was actually doing in Benghazi and the pressure put on General Carter Ham, then in command of U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) and therefore responsible for Libya, not to act to protect jeopardized U.S. personnel.

Stevens' mission in Benghazi, they will say, was to buy back Stinger missiles from al-Qaeda groups issued to them by the State Department, not by the CIA. Such a mission would usually be a CIA effort, but the intelligence agency had opposed the idea because of the high risk involved in arming "insurgents" with powerful weapons that endanger civilian aircraft.

Hillary Clinton still wanted to proceed because, in part, as one of the diplomats said, she wanted "to overthrow Gaddafi on the cheap."

This left Stevens in the position of having to clean up the scandalous enterprise when it became clear that the "insurgents" actually were al-Qaeda – indeed, in the view of one of the diplomats, the same group that attacked the consulate and ended up killing Stevens."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 11:14 AM

"The thoughtful Carl Cannon has written a piece, "Richard Milhous Obama," concluding that our current president has more in common with our 37th than President Obama's partisans would like to acknowledge. The estimable Victor Davis Hansen has weighed in, defending against liberal dissents the proposition that "Nixon Is a Fair Comparison" with Obama.


I protest. Will no one stand up for Richard Nixon? Richard Nixon was a combat veteran, a staunch and brave anti-Communist, a man who took on the liberal establishment and at times his own party's as well, a leader who often thought for himself and had the courage of his convictions, a president who assembled a first-rate Cabinet and one who—while flawed both in character and in policy judgment—usually tried to confront the real problems and deal with challenges of his times. Richard Nixon led neither the country nor his own administration from behind.

I worked for Richard Nixon (well, I worked for two months in the Nixon White House in 1970 as a summer intern). I voted for Richard Nixon (in 1972, my first vote, against George McGovern—and one about which I have no regrets). I knew Richard Nixon (very slightly—I met him on a few occasions in groups in the late 1970s and the 1980s, and then a couple of times when I worked for Vice President Quayle). And so I feel obliged to rise to Richard Nixon's defense, and to say, with all due respect, to our current president: Barack Obama, you're no Richard Nixon."


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/he-s-no-nixon_728610.html

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 13 - 11:51 AM

Yet another bout of Postarrhoea from Beardie, re-posting from various groups suffering from acute Blogarrhoea. Must be a chronic condition on his part rather than episodic, and complicated by Fulminating Factaversion.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 12:11 PM

And obviously GregF is the typical Mudcat Liberal, who makes judgement without any information about the topic, especially anything he does not already agree with.

As his voice is the only one here, I have to presume others of his ilk are in agreement with his statements and tactics.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 13 - 12:54 PM

Come on, Greg...another pathetic attack on Bruce??? Why not address the topic??? You are convincing NO ONE!
If you disagree, with what is becoming common knowledge, at least try employing common sense, (a rare commodity these says), and post a link of SOMETHING that gives another side of the story...but these juvenile rhetorical assault/insults are just indicative of how frazzled the 'so-called liberals' are of watching their 'Hope and Change' become frustration and the same ol' thing.
Your posts are the equivalent of 'Na-na nee nan naa'!....and then we are supposed to jump up and declare, 'Yeah, I think he's got a point'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 13 - 01:20 PM

I AM adressing the topic, RefufgeeFromSanity, and directly: the posting of huge amounts of cut-and-past horseshit. And, I'm attacking the mounds of horseshit, not the horse.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 13 - 01:21 PM

Oh, and Beardy: You're right, of course - they're all out to get you. Probably because you're Jewish.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 01:50 PM

Sharyl Attkisson's computers compromised

By DYLAN BYERS | 5/21/13 11:18 AM EDT

Sharyl Attkisson, the Emmy-award winning CBS News investigative reporter, says that her personal and work computers have been compromised and are under investigation.

"I can confirm that an intrusion of my computers has been under some investigation on my end for some months but I'm not prepared to make an allegation against a specific entity today as I've been patient and methodical about this matter," Attkisson told POLITICO on Tuesday. "I need to check with my attorney and CBS to get their recommendations on info we make public."

In an earlier interview with WPHT Philadelphia, Attkisson said that though she did not know the full details of the intrustion, "there could be some relationship between these things and what's happened to James [Rosen]," the Fox News reporter who became the subject of a Justice Dept. investigation after reporting on CIA intelligence about North Korea in 2009.

On Sunday, The Washington Post reported that the Justice Dept. had searched Rosen's personal e-mails and tracked his visits to the State Dept. The court affadavit described Rosen as "at the very least, either as an aider, abettor and/or co-conspirator" of his government source, presumably because he had solicited classified information from that source -- an argument that has been heavily criticized by other journalists.

Attkisson told WPHT that irregular activity on her computer was first identified in Feb. 2011, when she was reporting on the Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal and on the Obama administration's green energy spending, which she said "the administration was very sensitive about." Attkisson has also been a persistent investigator of the events surrounding last year's attack in Benghazi, and its aftermath.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 01:54 PM

When confronted with its worst scandal in decades, the IRS broke virtually every public relations rule on the books.
The agency could have first informed Congress that it was improperly targeting conservative groups for additional scrutiny when they applied for tax-exempt status. It could have issued a comprehensive press release. It could have even leaked to a friendly media outlet to get out in front of the story.

The IRS did none of those things. Instead, it took the highly unusual step of planting a question in the audience at an obscure law conference to get the word out about the controversial program.

Crisis managers can only cringe at the fallout that's sent President Barack Obama into a defensive tailspin and his team scrambling to manage the fallout. The scandal would be tough to confront in the best of circumstances, but the agency's poor management of the story is being blamed for deepening the sense of crisis gripping Washington.
"If it's a minor league team, it'd be below single A. And you're insulting the minor leagues," said Lanny Davis, a former special counsel to President Bill Clinton who guided the administration through a series of second-term campaign finance scandals.
Davis called the decision by Lois Lerner, the director of the agency's nonprofit division who orchestrated the Q&A during an American Bar Association conference, an exercise in "upside down crisis management."
(Also on POLITICO: IRS scandal: Who knew what when?)
"Now this looks doubly manipulative — fake and you have a bad story," he said.
Members of the ABA told POLITICO they were blindsided that their public forum — normally a place for polite questions for government staffers — ended up being used to air some of the IRS's dirtiest laundry.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/irs-how-not-to-handle-a-scandal-91647.html#ixzz2Tx1GkoZX

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 02:32 PM

In case anyone wants to see the Liberal defense... Greggie's last 5 days of posting- two are actually on the thread topic!



Oh, and Beardy: You're right, of course - they're all out to get you. Probably because you're Jewish.



I AM adressing the topic, RefufgeeFromSanity, and directly: the posting of huge amounts of cut-and-past horseshit. And, I'm attacking the mounds of horseshit, not the horse.



Yet another bout of Postarrhoea from Beardie, re-posting from various groups suffering from acute Blogarrhoea. Must be a chronic condition on his part rather than episodic, and complicated by Fulminating Factaversion.



And now Faux News, caught in outright lies so many times that everyone has lost count, and with the documented distinction that people who rely on Faux News are more ignotant and misinformed than people who watch no news at all.

Beardy, please tell us that you don't REALLY believe this horseshit - people keep saying that you're an intelligent guy- but that can't be true if you fall for the garbage Fox puts out.

And by the way, paraphrasing Pastor Niemöller in this connection is really offensive.



Bruce's credibility,

As is the case with Glenn's, Rush's (& their fellow travellers) and yours, "Bruce's Credibility" is an oxymoronic expression.

Or possibly simply moronic.


No, no, gillymore, Beardy's is the LOONIE perspective.



GuestInsanity: Piss off.


*** A REAL POST!!! ***********
Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 20 May 13 - 12:09 PM

CBS NEWS

controlled by the Commies too, Beardy?


Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 20 May 13 - 11:06 AM

There were meaningful Benghazi lies after all
By Steve Benen Fri May 17

Given what we now know, congressional Republicans saw all of the materials in March, couldn't find anything controversial, and moved on. But last week, desperate to manufacture a scandal, unnamed Republicans on Capitol Hill started giving "quotes" from the materials to reporters, making it seem as if the White House made politically motivated edits of Benghazi talking points.

As Major Garrett reported last night, the "quotes" Republicans passed along to the media were bogus. The GOP seems to have made them up. ABC's Jonathan Karl didn't know that, and presented them as fact, touching off a media firestorm.

Why would Republicans do this, knowing that there was evidence that would prove them wrong?

Probably because Republicans assumed the White House wouldn't disclose all of the internal deliberations that went into writing the Benghazi talking points. When the White House did the opposite on Wednesday, giving news organizations everything, the GOP had been caught in its lie.

So, it appears there's a Benghazi scandal after all. It's not the wrongdoing Republicans alleged; it's the wrongdoing Republicans committed.

The question for Darrell Issa is pretty straightforward: when does the investigation begin as to which Republicans lied to journalists and when?




You need to look at what you would be saying if the positions were reversed- If this was a Republican administration, and they were targeting liberal organizations and lying about facts....

Only one problem, Beardy - there's absolute no evidence that the ADMINISTRATION knew or did any of what you accuse them of.

Check back with us if there ever is any such evidence.

TeaPublican/BuShite bloviation, invention, distortion and disinformation is not evidence, by the way.




Great. GuestInsanity, president of the Beardy Fan Club. Whoopee.



I repeat for your convenience, Beardy:

17 May 13 - 01:28 PM
What "discussion", Beardy? You don't "discuss" anything. You post truckloads of cut-and-paste crap & hurl insults.

It seems you haven't noticed that damn near everyone is ignoring your mountains of crap? GuestInsanity doesn't count.




What "discussion", Beardy? You don't "discuss" anything. You post truckloads of cut-and-paste crap & hurl insults.



There's that serial postarrhoea, again. Something seems to have exacerbated the condition.





[The Obama] administration has encouraged the divisions and bitternesses, and made the previous inept administration look kind and law-abiding.

Do you really believe that preposterous bullshit, Beardy? Really?

That may be the most delusional statement I can recall you ever making, and believe me, it has some tough competition.



You're right, Beardy, the whole world's out to get you. Probably because you're Jewish.



Well perhaps Beardy figures that sheer volume will overwhelm facts.




Looks like Beardie's down again with a case of Chronic Postarrhoea. Must be his supply od paregoric ran out.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 May 13 - 02:35 PM

Just remember, Liberals- This is what you are willing to have represent YOUR viewpoint.


And not a word of protest...

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 13 - 05:09 PM

I TOLD ya, Beardy, all them libruls is ALL out to getcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 13 - 05:21 PM

Reading cut and paste blogs as serious sources of information is like reading the stuff people write on the walls in bar room bathrooms as a guide for moral living...

I don't read them because I don't have the time to fact check them for accuracy... I mean, just fact checking one might take hours and at the end, okay, you might expose all the lies but have just allowed that blogger, who BTW is more than likely being paid well by people who are trying to impose their wishes on everyone else, to eat you a portion of your life...

Most positions can be stated plainly and without the cut and paste length but with perhaps a couple references...

Cut and paste is lazy and academically dishonest... Unless you yourself have fact checked it objectively... I doubt that BB has done that with any of his...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 May 13 - 06:23 PM

Beardedbruce and Songwronger, and from time to time a couple of others, spew reams of hate-mongering material, pretty obviously cut-and-paste from various anti-administration web sites and blogs against Barack Obama, blaming him for such things as the IRS catching Tea Party and other conservative groups red-handed hiding campaign contributions—President Obama learned about the Internal Revenue Service targeting these groups applying for tax-exempt status only after it had come out in the media (even Fox News admitted that!)—but they blame him for instigating the investigation—and for practically everything else.

It would not surprise me if they even blamed him for the tornadoes in Oklahoma! I mean, why not, guys!??

And their basic message, beyond their hatred for Obama, is that the entire political system is so corrupt that nothing can be done about it! Okay, if nothing can be done, why even attempt to improve things?

Is that what you want? It sure sounds like it.

And where do these guys get the TIME to glean and post all this material? Do they not have jobs like most of us?

And that cringing little sycophant, Guest from Unsanitary—

I will no longer waste my time reading or responding to this daily barrage of garbage. I get my news from reliable sources—indeed, several different sources that do not necessarily agree with each other, and I have the knowledge and intelligence to make up my own mind.

Now, watch for Goofball to fire off a volley of lies and personal attacks at me, trying to get me to respond. He does that sort of thing. And he really hates it when I just ignore him. If I don't respond, he starts attacking my family, about which he knows nothing, so he makes up lies.

Neither they nor I need defending from the likes of him.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 May 13 - 10:38 PM

Wow!..What a distorted view!!

...and Don, I won't 'attack' your family...you don't have one, you abdicated your responsibility, when you could have had one....so I'm not impressed with your lesser feats of 'accomplishments'.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 08:20 AM

So, the factual articles I have posted are being accepted by all here, since there has been NO effort to show any false or incorrect interpretation of the facts brought out to date?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 08:34 AM

"Obama administration officials who were in key positions on Sept. 11, 2012, acknowledge that a range of mistakes were made the night of the attacks on the U.S. missions in Benghazi, and in messaging to Congress and the public in the aftermath.

The officials spoke to CBS News in a series of interviews and communications under the condition of anonymity so that they could be more frank in their assessments. They do not all agree on the list of mistakes and it's important to note that they universally claim that any errors or missteps did not cost lives and reflect "incompetence rather than malice or cover up." Nonetheless, in the eight months since the attacks, this is the most sweeping and detailed discussion by key players of what might have been done differently.

"We're portrayed by Republicans as either being lying or idiots," said one Obama administration official who was part of the Benghazi response. "It's actually closer to us being idiots."

The Obama administration's chief critics on Benghazi, such as Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., remain skeptical. They see a pattern, even a conspiracy, to deflect attention from the idea that four Americans had been killed by al Qaeda-linked attackers, on the president's watch. "There is no conclusion a reasonable person could reach other than that for a couple of weeks after the attack, [the Obama administration was] trying to push a narrative that was politically beneficial to the president's re-election," Graham told CBS News.

The list of mea culpas by Obama administration officials involved in the Benghazi response and aftermath include: standing down the counterterrorism Foreign Emergency Support Team, failing to convene the Counterterrorism Security Group, failing to release the disputed Benghazi "talking points" when Congress asked for them, and using the word "spontaneous" while avoiding the word "terrorism.""

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57584921/officials-on-benghazi-we-made-mistakes-but-without-malice/

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 22 May 13 - 08:47 AM

Proclaiming an article factual and it ***being*** factual are two different things...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 08:50 AM

As has been pointed out. So show any falsehoods, or admit you are just being unreasonable.

Look at the Bush thread- HOW many of the posted "facts" were NYT editorials, and the liberals here demanded that they be considered.

Here I post from what I consider a liberal source ( though not as openly bigoted as MSNBC) and you will not even tell me what the facts are that you dispute- just that I am wrong.

Well, Bobert, in this case, YOU are in the wrong until you demonstrate what is falsely reported.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 08:58 AM

"Proclaiming an article factual and it ***being*** factual are two different thing"



Or are you now admitting that all your posts about Bush were bogus, since you were using the same sources ( NBC/CNS/CNN/NYT) that I have been posting from, and you NEVER verified that they were true when they were critical of Bush?


Pick one Bobert- YOU CAN"T HAVE BOTH WAYS.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 09:16 AM

So, Bobert, what statement do you believe is incorrect, and what evidence do you have to support your belief?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 13 - 09:42 AM

the factual articles I have posted are being accepted by all here

You're getting a little ahead of yourself, Beardy.

Just so soon as you actually post some factual articles, you'll probably get comments on them.

Not worth anyone's time- except yours, apparently, to comment on the horseshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 10:30 AM

Greggie,

Go stick your head back up your ass- the rest of the world is looking at what is happening, and talking about it.

If Liberals have nothing to say, they must be seeing that the rest of us are correct in what is being said.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 10:36 AM

Oh, that right:

Obama in Jedi mode:

"These are not the scandals you are looking for."









For Greggie ( since I doubt he is aware enough to recognize the quote from Star Wars:

Stormtrooper: Let me see your identification.
Obi-Wan: [with a small wave of his hand] You don't need to see his identification.
Stormtrooper: We don't need to see his identification.
Obi-Wan: These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Stormtrooper: These aren't the droids we're looking for.
Obi-Wan: He can go about his business.
Stormtrooper: You can go about your business.
Obi-Wan: Move along.
Stormtrooper: Move along... move along.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 22 May 13 - 11:00 AM

Listen, bruce...

Homey ain't your stooge, dude...

It ain't up to me to spend hours laboring over your BS... If you post it then you have an academic responsibility to fact check it... If you want to post a link to it, that's different... But when you use band-width under your name then you f'n own it...

Fact check yer own stuff, man...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 11:08 AM

I have- yet you call it lies.

I called you on many claims in the Bush threads, and YOU stated it was up to me to disprove them.

Sounds like you have one set of rules for those you agree with, and another for those you disagree with.

This is the basic definition of bigotry.


I have posted the sources- and most are the same news outlets that YOU have used in the past to criticize Bush. So now, I ask for the same courtesy that YOU were given, in NOT calling false what you cannot prove as false. Or do you think that Obama should NOT be held to the same standard you held Bush to, because of his race? THAT is more racist than those of us who voted against Obama because we disagreed with his politics, who YOU called racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 11:12 AM

IRS tea-party bloodbath continues in Congress, as evidence emerges that IRS's own internal probe ended in May 2012, six months before election, but was hidden from legislators
By DAVID MARTOSKO IN WASHINGTON
PUBLISHED: 09:19 EST, 22 May 2013 | UPDATED: 10:06 EST, 22 May 2013
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Tempers flared in a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing Wednesday, with members on both sides of the aisle castigating the Internal Revenue Service for targeting conservative groups with special scrutiny, and then hiding the practice from Congress.
Rep. Darrel Issa, the committee's chairman, said that the committee learned just yesterday that the IRS completed its own investigation a year before a Treasury Department Inspector General report was completed.
But despite the IRS recognizing in May 2012 that its employees were treating right-wing groups differently from other organizations, Issa said, IRS personnel withheld those conclusions from legislators.
'Just yesterday the committee interviewed Holly Paz, the director of exempt organizations, rulings and agreements, division of the IRS,' Issa said. 'While a tremendous amount of attention is centered about the Inspector General's report, or investigation, the committee has learned from Ms. Paz that she in fact participated in an IRS internal investigation that concluded in May of 2012 - May 3 of 2012 - and found essentially the same thing that Mr. George found more than a year later.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329067/Congress-hosts-IRS-bloodbath-slamming-tax-authorities-partisan-targeting-conservatives-official-refuses-answer-questions.html#ixzz2U2D4FOKb
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 11:16 AM

Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) told IRS officials on the panel that there will be "hell to pay" if they refuse to answer the committee's questions — a message clearly targeted at Lois Lerner, whose lawyer has said she will plead the Fifth Amendment and not answer questions.
"If you refuse to answer," Lynch said, "you will leave us no choice but to ask for a special counsel or the appointment of a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of this."
Lynch added: "I hope that's not the approach of the IRS going forward, because there will be hell to pay."
Lynch's superior on the committee, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), previously asked the committee to respect Lerner's right to plead the Fifth.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 13 - 11:30 AM

Go stick your head back up your ass

Wow, Beardy, that sounds like a personal attack - you know, those things you never, ever make?

Will the horseshit never end????

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 11:33 AM

From the shit that pours out from you, I think it is proven that you keep your head up your ass.

At least those racist TEA party members don't call someone who is "Black, and a Democrat " a "dumb Ni**er" like you do.


But Bobert is OK with that, since even if you are a racist scumbag, you agree with him. Or is it BECAUSE you are a racist scumbag?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 11:52 AM

The US Attorney for the District of Columbia, Ronald C. Machen - the man responsible for the aggressive surveillance and phone record scrutiny at Fox News - is also a big donor to the Obama Campaigns. At the time of his appointment, the Washington Post wrote a profile on Machen including this tidbit:
Over the years, he has donated $4,350 to Obama's campaigns. He gave $250 to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2003, a year before Obama, then an Illinois state senator, emerged on the nation's political radar, according to campaign finance records.
Furthermore, in June of 2012, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) questioned Attorney General Eric Holder about the appointment of Mr. Machen to head-up the leaks investigation. During the questioning Sen. Cornyn revealed that not only was Machen a donor to the Obama campaign, he was also a volunteer for Obama for America. Cornyn called into question whether he could conduct the leaks investigation in a fair and non-partisan way.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/21/US-Attorney-Investigating-Fox-News-Big-Obama-Donor

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 13 - 12:03 PM

Thanks for answering my question, Beardy viz: the horseshit WILL never end.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 12:06 PM

Crucial evidence needed to develop an accurate answer to that question would include the records of any communications that went back and forth between the IRS and the White House on the topic.

In a May 14 letter signed by Chairman Dave Camp and Ranking Member Sander Levin, the House Ways and Means Committee demanded precisely those records from the IRS. In the same letter, the committee also demanded the records of any communications between IRS and the Treasury on the matter, plus other information and records that would help the committee understand the facts about IRS actions that subjected to heightened scrutiny conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status.

Chairman Camp and Ranking Member Levin gave the IRS a deadline of Tuesday, May 21 to comply with their committee's demand for the information and records.

The IRS--which requires working Americans to file their tax returns by an April 15 deadline each year or else face penalties--did not comply with this deadline imposed by the congressional committee that has oversight over its activities.

"The Committee has not received a response to the Camp-Levin letter," House Ways and Means Spokeswoman Sarah Swinehart told CNSNews.com late Tuesday after the IRS had closed for business for the day.

"Chairman Camp expects the IRS to comply and provide full and complete responses to the letter since many of these questions were asked, but went unanswered, in Friday's hearing," said Swinehart.

The letter that Camp and Levin sent to the IRS a week ago Tuesday asked the agency to answer thirteen questions about its targeting of conservative groups and, where relevant, provide all internal agency documents and communications substantiating its answers.

Two of the committee's questions sought records of any communications between the IRS and the Treasury and the IRS and the White House about the targeting of conservatives groups.

"As the Committee on Ways and Means continues its investigation into these IRS practices," Camp and Levin wrote the IRS, "we request that the IRS provide the following information by May 21, 2013: …"

"Did the IRS at any time notify the Treasury Department of the targeting of conservative or any other groups?" Camp and Levin asked. "Provide all documents and communications between the IRS and Treasury on this matter."

"Did the IRS at any time notify the White House of the targeting of conservative or any other groups?" asked Camp and Levin. "Provide all documents and communications between the IRS and the White House on this matter."

In their letter, Camp and Levin said the IRS had not been "completely truthful" with the committee in the past on this matter.

"We are deeply troubled by the recent admission of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) that the agency has been singling out organizations for additional review based on their political beliefs," Camp and Levin said in their letter to the agency. "Despite repeated calls for cooperation, the agency failed to be completely truthful in its responses to the committee during its nearly two-year long investigation of this matter, and in testimony before the committee."

On Monday through Tuesday morning, CNSNews.com made multiple phone and email inquiries to the IRS press office asking if the agency intended to comply with this request for information and records from the House Ways and Means Committee. The IRS did not respond.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 12:08 PM

Typical liberal...

When the facts aren't what they want, just call it bullshit and don't bther to ook at it.


NOW I am certain that Greggie is truly representative of the Liberal Viewpoint- I"t is not a lie if it benefits the Liberal View."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 22 May 13 - 12:35 PM

Who knows how much of your cut and pastes are facts or mythology... No one, other than you read 'um, bb... And I'm not sure you do...

No matter...

BTW, what is "the liberal viewpoint", anyway???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 12:52 PM

the Liberal Viewpoint- "It is not a lie if it benefits the Liberal View."


But since you will not bother to look at facts presented by those you disagree with, YOU have no right at all to have others look at any facts that YOU bring up in regards to what you consider important. You have declared that you have no interest in the truth, just whatever you believe, regardless of the facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 13 - 01:14 PM

And the horseshit flows on, untrammeled, to the sea.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 01:18 PM

Yes, we noticed your post, Greggie