BS: Canada Election

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: gnu
Date: 04 May 11 - 03:50 PM

I wonder if Harpy will chuck Jack out of Stornoway and sell it? After all, he said it should go. Of course, he did live there even after he said he wouldn't. Lying seems to come easy to him... along with breaking the law, even his own law.

Sour grapes? Yes. Very sour. Maybe I am just scared.

Then again, he could become the greatest PM ever.

I'll be over in the corner, watching, hoping and shaking in my boots.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 May 11 - 04:07 PM

Albertans are very happy with the election results.
Good from an industry perspective because it means stability over the next four-five years.
Good for the oil patch, whose growth will continue and pipelines will go through as planned.
Opposition to tanker accessibility on the west coast is defeated. "And good riddance to that," says The Calgary Herald.

The towers will continue to rise in downtown Calgary, as the city starts on its second million.

The value of my house, in an easily accessible location, will continue to rise.

Happy Times in Alberta continue!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: bobad
Date: 04 May 11 - 04:14 PM

For Q

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 May 11 - 05:20 PM

Ah, yes, but while the money lasts, you can eat steak every day. That's what they're counting on in Alberta.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: gnu
Date: 04 May 11 - 05:37 PM

But, the west is gonna party untll the cows come home... and there's a shitload of cows in Alberta... Oylmel is selling hot dogs here like hot dogs. Imagine that. They can sell hot dogs here from 3000 miles away cheaper than NBers can from 3 miles away. THAT is BIG business.

And it sucks the big one. Large corporations putting... ahhhh fuck it. Sell it all to the big companies. Sell it to the Yanks, the Chinese, the Koreans, the Germans... fuck Canada... every man and woman for themselves. I am so sick of it. Since Pierre stood up for this country and was shat upon by the the concerted fronts of big business and the their press lackies who duped the Canuck public it's gone down the tubes. I have relatives and friends I can stay with in La Belle if it gets any worse and the Quebecers say the ultimate "fuck you assholes".

I know I will regret that gobble but turkeys tend to gobble when excited and pissed off.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 May 11 - 05:45 PM

Another example of how the First Past the Post electoral system distorts results, and is li8able to give a country a government most people voted against - the Canadian Conservatives got only 39.6% of the popular votes, but an overwhelming parliamentary majority.

I only hope our referendum in the UK gets rid of that system here.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 May 11 - 06:18 PM

Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba were above 50% for the Conservatives, the 44% Conservative in the elephant Ontario helped, and the Prairie provinces went to bed happy.
Some sort of proportional representation would give cityfolks too damn much; even now they have too much influence.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: gnu
Date: 04 May 11 - 07:27 PM

Cityfolk... I agree in a way. Just hope Stevieboy don't mess with health care, seniors, poor, and so on.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Ed T
Date: 04 May 11 - 07:56 PM

""Albertans are very happy with the election results""

Hardly surprising. Time will tell if absolute power corrupts or not?
I sincerely hope not.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Ed T
Date: 04 May 11 - 08:47 PM

Analysis
Canada's new electoral divide: It's about the money
PATRICK BRETHOUR
VANCOUVER— From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
The newly drawn electoral map is split, but the cleavage is not left versus right, nor is it Quebec versus the rest of Canada.

The true divide, the new reality of Canadian politics, is between the economic heartlands that the Conservatives now dominate throughout the country and the economic hinterlands won by the NDP.

Liberal-NDP vote splits help propel Conservatives to majority The energy powerhouses of Alberta and the B.C. Interior are Conservative, while B.C.'s struggling north coast is solidly NDP. The suburbs and thriving technology centres of Ontario are deep blue territory, but the north of the province is orange. Quebec's rural areas are largely held by New Democrats, but the entrepreneurial hub of the Beauce remains a Tory bastion.

With Canada still shaking off the effects of the recession, the Conservatives were clearly looking to herd economically worried voters into their column at the start of the campaign. The party was aiming not just at the haves, looking to safeguard their affluence, but at the just-hads, aching to reclaim their recently lost prosperity.

That message resonated strongly in Southern Ontario, where the manufacturing industries are still reeling and voters are no mood to take risks. "In Southwestern Ontario, they are not screwing around with the economy," said Greg Lyle, managing director at Innovative Research Group. (Although the NDP also benefited in a more limited way from those same worries, maintaining its traditional strength in Windsor and Hamilton.)

Then came the unexpected surge of the NDP, and Conservative Leader Stephen Harper's eleventh-hour appeal to Liberal voters with economically conservative leanings, often called blue Liberals. "Let me speak very clearly to traditional Liberal voters: I know many of you do not want NDP policies. That you do not want NDP tax hikes," Mr. Harper said on Sunday.

The message: Only we can protect your prosperity.

The result is that the Conservatives were able to achieve in 2011 what eluded them in 2008, a coalition of economically conservative-minded voters who cast their ballots based on pocketbook issues rather than concerns over cultural issues, including the Tories' supposed leanings toward social conservatism.

Those blue Liberals were the missing element in the Conservative coalition. In the 1990s, they were the foundation of the successive Liberal sweeps of Ontario. So long as they remained with the Liberals, Mr. Harper would be shut out of the urban heart of most big Canadian cities.

But the rise of the NDP, which siphoned off progressive-minded Liberals, clearly spooked a sizable number of blue Liberals, causing them to bolt to Mr. Harper in the last weekend of campaigning, said Nik Nanos, president and chief executive officer of Nanos Research.

It was clear at the start of the campaign that there were a large number of Liberals who would be prone to bolting: Nearly a quarter of committed Liberals (largely older men) ranked Mr. Harper, rather than Michael Ignatieff, as the most competent federal leader. Mr. Nanos said that figure is a clear proxy for the extent of the blue Liberal vote.

At the end of the campaign, as the Liberal vote dropped precipitously, so did the ranks of blue Liberals within their long-time party – just 16 per cent of Ignatieff supporters ranked Mr. Harper as the most competent leader. However, that figure also indicates that the Tories have yet to win over all of the Liberals' economically conservative supporters.

The task of luring blue Liberals is not yet complete, and the Conservatives' ability to woo voters on economic matters was far more limited in Quebec than in other parts of the country – NDP momentum simply overwhelmed the appeal of the Tory economic message. But the reduced Conservative foothold in Quebec is in that part of the province that is strongly for free trade, and that produced libertarian cabinet minister Maxime Bernier.

Unfinished it may be, but the new Conservative coalition now dominates more than just the natural-resources powerhouses of the West – it also has strengthened its lead in the areas containing the brainy industries of Ontario, in the prosperous, immigrant-heavy suburban communities and even, most startlingly, in the wealthy ridings in the heart of Toronto.

Those voters have delivered Mr. Harper his majority government. Keeping it, and keeping them, will depend on the Conservatives proving that their only agenda is prosperity.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Ed T
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:04 PM

"I got into politics seven years ago to try to do something useful," he says. "I hope to do something useful next. … "What is it that I might do, I don't know. And I don't need to know today."

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Ed T
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:08 PM

The quote was from Ken Dryden, reflecting on his defeat.

He also said
""It's humbling when people say they won't vote for you...They are not responding for a reason that is a very good reason so far as they are concerned...So I'm missing something and I need to understand it better....There are things that are going to require a lot of thinking by a lot of people.""


On Tuesday, he woke early in defeat. He grabbed one of his red campaign signs, pasted a message on it, then drove to the corner of Bathurst St. and Wilson Ave., where he held the sign and waved at passing cars. The message was two words long: "Thank you."

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Mooh
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:22 PM

The only time I met Ken Dryden he was a genuine class act, personable and kind. The man knows which side of his bread is buttered.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 11 - 09:02 AM

Only 5.8 million, 17% of Canada's 34 million population, voted for the religious right wing party. Their votes will cause unimaginable damage to this country in the next five years. By then, half of those who voted for the party will want to shoot themselves in their heads with their unregistered firearms.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 May 11 - 09:32 AM

I see the Green party got one tenth of the vote that the Conservatives did, 576,221 as against 5,832,401 - which meant that the Greens got one seat, and the Conservatives 167.

That's "democracy" Canadian (and British) style...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Charmion
Date: 05 May 11 - 11:19 AM

I always wanted to vote for Ken Dryden, but he's a Liberal and he never ran in my riding. I would have voted for him if he was running for the Greens or the Rhinoceros Party or the Marxist-Leninists.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Beer
Date: 05 May 11 - 11:37 AM

Hay GUEST? What is the name of the religious party. This dumb ass would like to know.
Ad.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Ed T
Date: 05 May 11 - 11:59 AM

A few years ago I was in the security line up in the Ottawa Airport. Jack Layton was in front of me and Ken Drydon behind.

Layton a shorter guy, was smiling widely and dressed to kill. I suspect to get maximum public recognition. He was randomly picked to go through the enhanced security check in front of us, and seemed pleased to get the attention.

On the other hand, Dryden, a tall big fellow, dressed like any guy on the street, seemed to be trying to escape attention and blend in (which is difficult for a guy his size). I asked him, "are you Ken Drydon?". He replied in a very low voice yes, as if to escape any recognition from the airport crowd. I found it a real contrast. I asked him a few questions, and fropm the brief encounter, he seemed like a really nice guy (regardless of the banner he worked under, on the ice or off).

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: gnu
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:10 PM

Dryden. I'd vote for the best goalie to ever lace up. If he hadn'a broke his back he'd still be stoppin pucks. The guy was amazing.

Good laywer and honest politician too, so I hear.

I never forgot... my best bud Milfred admitted he was better than even Cheevers one early morn at school when NObody else was around. I asked him if he would say that when the other kids arrived... "fuck you." Dunno if he was just fuckin with me or not.

Yes, that's an odd story to tell. Kinda like what might happen if Harper dismantles Medicare, senior care, CPP... it's like that there shootin yerself in the head when yer vote MAYBE shoots yerself in the ass. We'll see... won't we?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Ed T
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:32 PM

The speculation begins

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Ed T
Date: 05 May 11 - 07:28 PM

I have a suspicion feeling that there is going to be "a big political smell" coming around sometime in the next four years?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: ollaimh
Date: 05 May 11 - 09:32 PM

now we are in for it. the tories have brought down the two biggest deficits in canadian history and they propose to stay in deficit untill 2014, and that;s a flaretty predictopn. he has never issued a budget statement that was anywhere near to accurate. so we will be back to mulroney territory with a total debt so large the wortld will start pressuring us to do a greece or portugual and cut virtually all scoial services. and that's exactly what the right wingers want. they know thau can't get elected by openly proposing those cuts but they can force it with debt.

canadian gave the tories credit for good financial management when all they did was inherit a decade of surpluses and a sound regulated banking system. the tories opposed the liberal bank regulations when they were inoposition. however people have short memories and the liberals did it to thenselves with the sponsorship scandal.

i didn't believe the liberals could fall below fifty seats--roughly. they may be done. i used the think the only purpose the ndp served was to get tories into government both federally and provincially, bnow maybe its time for the liberals to go. unite the left.

harper has been themost dishonest politician in modern canadian history and has been a fiscal disaster and no seems to care. image is apparantly all that matters.

i didn't like uggy as liberal leader and his getting apointed rather than having a convention was awfull but i din't expect the libs to fall below seventy seats and never below fifty. maybe now the backroom boys will wake up and stop trying to manipilate hand picked leaders, dion is looking pretty good right now, at least he had a clear plarform. iggy wanted to get elected without standing for much of anything. so now the flaretty nightmare of spending like drunkards and refusing to tax

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: ollaimh
Date: 06 May 11 - 01:27 PM

beer, the dumb ass religious party id the regressive conservatives. they have sold a deceptive message of economic pragmatism but have not been fiscally responsible--they fooled people like the neo cons have in the usa, and yes they are controlled at the highest levels by right wing neo con evangical christians, and most importantly american oil industry money--who are mostly neo con right wing christians.

there is a book about harps giving passes to parliament to several totally uneducated and unqualified lobbists except for their evangical rant.

most important id harper has been a lifetime professional flack for the us oil money. he has never held a real job, just been a political lobyist and politician. he has no personal achievements in the real world. this used tomatter. but in the world of spin and smear our media and most of the public accept that a man's world class adedemic amnd writinf achievements should be held against him while harpers lack of exclence in any field except being tom flannagans bum boy, is without criticism.

to q who aparently thinks the west is being ripped off by the east, that's neo con nonsense. the west is rich. they would never be established without the estern governmant producing the wheat hybrid(number one northern fife--and all the triticales) and the railroad at great deficit.in return evil ottawa gave them control of their natural resources--such eveil rip offs!!!

albertans have tjrown away that heritage. but if they want to remain "stupid to the last drop" there's nothing we can do about it. they are twisted out there they baulked at tthe governmant of canada owing one of the syncrude plants, while now they are negotiating to sell one to the governmant of china. the political spin is orwellian out in alberta. and yeah i lived there doing drilling and blasting when i was young. back then i couldn't believe the right wing ignorant nonsense i heard every day. people really thought that the east was stealing their oil and that the "oil industry strike" was about ottawa. it was about stopping alberta from ever cgarging world level royalities. norway--with a resource about a third the size collected about 90 billion royalities in the decade from 1990 to 2000, alberta with three times the oil resource collected 30 billion from 1980 to 2010. les than a sixth of the wolrd price. they are giving away their scarce resource to the american oil companies. the swet crude is almost gone. then they will have almost nothing in the heritage fund. we remain the only industrial nation without a national energy policy--and the idea is still a dirty word out there.

harper is the creature of us oil companies. that's where the money to fund his early career and the national citizens coalition came from, anf the money to start the reform party and many neo con lobby groups.

after the oil is gone alberta will have one of the most polluted land scapes in the world and they will have to come to us eastern bastards to clean it up for them. read the book "stupid to the last drop" about our oil policy. it wan the national business book award.

the american oil industry is keeping canada a colony and harper is the roi negre for foreign intereests. these interestds includ the cia. preston manning was employed by a cia funded think tank before he went into politics==he even admitted this in an interview on cbc but out tame media ignored it.

when i lived in alberta it was the only place(outside of toronto folk musicians) where i was regularily called a frog--its an ignorant and bigotted place and now they have brought this ignorance and bigotry to the national stage, making us a permant colony of the american oil industry.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 11 - 01:33 PM

"harper has been themost dishonest politician in modern canadian history"

He's got a long way to go before he catches up with Lyin Brian but he's tryin.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 11 - 04:24 PM

Oh, yeah, easterners always got their tin cup stuck in the west's face.
in 2011-12, Ontaiario will get $2.2 billion of Ab, BC and Sk dollars in equalization payments, NS and NB between them get $2.6 billion, and PQ $7.8 billion of the west's hard won cash.
(Should have encouraged PQ to secede when they had the push a few years back)

The old No. 1 wheat hasn't meant much for years, since Canada became a middling (to minor) producer and Russian, Japanese and other modifications have diluted it.

Wheat Production
China- 115 million tons
India- 81
Russia- 62
USA- 60
Canada- 27
EU- 138

The useful railroad, Canadian Pacific, is public, headquartered in Calgary, and about half of its stock owned in USA and abroad

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 11 - 04:53 PM

The engineers, wood, fish and coal from my back yard built the St. Lawrence Seayway and the railway. You Western bastards would still be livin in thatch roof huts and eatin fuckin turnip and beet stew with a few Prarie Chickens and Dogs fer breakfast, dinner an supper if it wasn't fer the likes of us.

Heheheheheee. You know what I'm talkin about. NNWW. (Inside joke folks.)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: bobad
Date: 06 May 11 - 05:17 PM

Yeah!....what gnu says, you friggin' bunch of goat ropers.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 11 - 06:02 PM

Gnu, you forgot our staple- gophers bourguignon

(We et most of the prairie chickens years ago)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Ed T
Date: 06 May 11 - 06:23 PM

"easterners always got their tin cup stuck in the west's face".

When the prairies had "very few pennies to rub together", eastern Canada, and, mostly Ontario factory workers, filled the prairies tin cups to fund the transportation links and pipelines, so that the western provinces could ship their agricultural , oil and gas and other stuff out. Government (on the eastern dime) even paid a heafty transportation subsidy to get their stuff, like wheat, to eastern markets.

Funny how memories are so short, when folks get new found change to jingle in rtheir pockets.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 11 - 06:31 PM

"mostly Ontario factory workers"

Eddy! I am talking well before that. The Uppity Canucks got their way paved on YOUR wood, wind and water.

I was making a joke in my last post, as was Q in his earlier post, but there is a ring of truth in there.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 11 - 06:54 PM

In any case, I dislike where this thread may be going if it takes off from being humourous or about what is going on in the Uppitiest of Canada at present.

Perhaps a new thread about The Harper Years might be in order. Or not... it might be toooo much of a downer. Hmmmm... just calling it that is a downer as it reflects negatively on our new leader and we shouldn't prejudge. He might be a warm and fuzzy kitten or a furball hacked all over us. Who's to know? Perhaps a Canuck Politics & Pissmoaning thread?

I propose this thead die.

Yays? One. Carried. gnightgnu.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 May 11 - 06:56 PM

We had all better watch out- Justin won in his riding.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 06 May 11 - 07:00 PM

In 1870 Rupert's Land was purchased from the Hudson's Bay Company by the Dominion of Canada. This included most of the praries as well as Northwest Territories. Canada at the time consisted of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Quebec and Ontario. This was partly done to prevent the Yanks from buying it like they did Alaska.
Therefore us Eastern Bastards bought it and we damn well still own it! :-}

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 11 - 07:19 PM

This JustIN... ya got THAT right Clary (a Maritime thing). It seems like history is repissing itself. Harper fucks over everybody and Trudeau saves everybody. Gee, I wonder if I could get a job on the writing staff? Probably not on accounta they got it all written up long ago.

Hey, Brian... you wanna go to Florida and play some golf? Sure Jean, we'll take one of my jets, as long as I can come play at your course when the grass is green, eh la?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: gnu
Date: 06 May 11 - 07:24 PM

Sandy... was Ungava in the same kettle?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 06 May 11 - 07:55 PM

No, Ungava is just a part of Labrador that Quebec got from Newfoundland in 1927.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Ed T
Date: 06 May 11 - 09:34 PM

""In Canada there has been some rivalry between Arctic Quebec and the Canadian Maritimes over who has the world's highest ocean tides. The Canadian Hydrographic Service has declared a tie between the famous tides of the Bay of Fundy and those of Ungava Bay on the northern coast of Quebec. It has long been recognised that the tides at Burntcoat Head (Nova Scotia) on the shore of Minas Basin, Bay of Fundy can in extreme reach a range of 17 metres. After 200 days of measurements at Leaf Basin in the southwest corner of Ungava Bay it is estimated that in the extreme the tides there could have a range of 16.8 metres. It is of course possible that points near Burntcoat Head or Leaf Basin, as yet unmeasured by tide gauges, could have slightly higher tides so lacking further data a dead heat has been declared.""

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: BluesmanJames
Date: 07 May 11 - 09:04 AM

I am wondering just wondering. I have never been to Alberta (Ian Tyson is still there I am told) but Toronto,Ottawa, Kingston Ontario, Montreal and Quebec City I have been to and the people I have met do not strike me as Radical Conservatives. I beleive (and time will tell) if this turns out like Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan where the public is going through "real buyers remorse" regarding the election. Harper is much more radical than he appears and I do not believe the good people of Canada are with him on many of his ideas. Once he is unmasked, lets see what happens.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 07:55 PM

In Alberta, little if any political discussion.

In Calgary, some unhappiness among travel specialists and businessmen that Emirates was not allowed landing rights in western cities such as Calgary, and the resultant denial of Canadian landing rights in Qatar.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Election
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 08:28 PM

May not be pertinent in this thread, but diamond production long ago passed the $1.5 million level per day. I cannot find the figures after 2008.
Two prospects, the Ekati (BHP Billiton of Australia and two prospectors) and Diavik, (Britain's Rio Tinto and Canadian Aber) are the biggest producers, with Jericho (Canadian) and Snap Lake-4 (De Beers) catching up. I haven't found figures for them or for the Victor in Ontario, but I haven't looked at company reports.

Canada is the number 3 producer, and is moving higher rapidly.
Ar least 100 million acres are under claim.

The mining is open pit except for Snap Lake, which is an underground mine.

Action in Nunavut and Northwest Territories sees more of the tax revenue going directly to the Federal government, unlike the Oil Sands, where the tax revenue goes to the provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan, etc.).
The Victor diamond prospect in Ontario, owned by De Beers, will pay taxes to Ontario. It is open pit.