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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Nov 24 - 08:36 PM Their job is to make the transition smooth (unlike what he did for them) but they certainly will want to reinforce the furniture and have washable paint on the walls in rooms where he has been known to throw food. When Joe and Jill walked to the entrance at the White House on Biden's inauguration they had to wait for someone to answer the door; as he departed Trump had insisted to the staff that they all take the day off. Fortunately some of the staff knew what was up and were ready. Trump also didn't attend Biden's inauguration, as most former presidents have when their successor is sworn in. I'm curious to see if Biden attends (or if Trump makes a fuss and excludes him?) Such a cretin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 07 Nov 24 - 02:14 AM 67,927,989 votes (47.6%)HARRIS 72,623,882 votes (50.9% TRUMP Here is a link from the financial times, jourmalistic speculation on how it affects Europe https://www.ft.com/content/34dd1f1c-d8a0-4669-b63f-71fe31f3157b |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 07 Nov 24 - 02:20 AM here is a Link from the BBC, how election result could possibly affect the UK https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgk132vymm0o My opinion is that this might POSSIBLY force the uk government to negotiate trade deals With Europe |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 07 Nov 24 - 04:46 AM here are some things he will not do ,socialise the means of production introduce a national health service, nationalise the railways |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Nigel Parsons Date: 07 Nov 24 - 06:17 AM SRS: Every rational person in the United States is horrified. That, of course, implies that over 50% of American people are irrational. Perhaps that is the problem, and Trump is just the person to represent them (the majority). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 07 Nov 24 - 07:31 AM IF that is the case why have stocks and shares gone soaring up after Trumps victory, are shareholders irrational? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Hrothgar Date: 07 Nov 24 - 07:55 AM Will he now burn the Reichstag so he can blame his enemies? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Thompson Date: 07 Nov 24 - 08:08 AM The German government is rocking on its foundations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 07 Nov 24 - 09:24 AM DtG wrote: "We can hope that he now loses interest and goes off to play golf, leaving the grown ups to run the country." I doubt that this time around the old jackass is going to allow any grownups into the room to say no to him. He's got more than a few criminal types from his previous administration to choose from. We're not just in for a bumpy ride we're on a rocket sled to hell. Sorry for the negativity but it's all so damn depressing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 07 Nov 24 - 09:25 AM > IF that is the case why have stocks and shares gone > soaring up after Trumps victory, are shareholders > irrational? In general, it's the margins. From the outside, the effect is that of a bunch of headless chickens; inside, every individual stockbroker (and more to the point, every individual quant's computer program) is attempting to game the system. Playing the stock market is horseracing for posh boys, all with other people's money. In this particular case, it's party time for the wide boys. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Nov 24 - 09:48 AM The point I was trying to make, gillymor, is that he does not seem too interested in actualy doing the job of running a country. He just wanted to be president to stay out of prison. Now he has achieved that goal I suspect he will let others do the actual management for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 07 Nov 24 - 10:15 AM I got that, Dave. I don't mean to rain on your parade but I'm thinking that the "grown ups" he chooses this time around are going to be far worse than the last batch, some of whom did act like responsible adults and tried to curb his meaner instincts. He doesn't care, he doesn't have to run again, he'll be looking for folks with a high sleaze factor who won't get in his way. There are a few felons out there that he pardoned who will probably be filling out job applications and wind up among those running things while he's out cheating on the golf course. Not a rosy picture. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 07 Nov 24 - 10:41 AM The stock market hit 2 all-time highs before the election and once after. So what. Rational / irrational are part of the human condition based upon information and choices. In the simplest possible terms...there are more simple people than complex people, therefore... Given the choice between electing felon Tony Soprano or a recent woman district attorney, America chose tough guy Tony Soprano for President, which is a tough job. Kamala did not survive being shot in the ear by an assault rifle. Trump did. She did not face 5 indictments. Trump did. She did not suffer the trials and tribulations that Trump faced in the minds of the average person. She did not have a religious wave of Christian nationalism behind her. Harris was merely a highly educated lawful conscientious servant of the people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 07 Nov 24 - 11:02 AM Trump was a lousy candidate and Harris was an excellent one. Biden never should have run for a 2nd term or should have exited much sooner, he hamstrung the process. That said, it looks like the electorate moved hard right and Daffy Duck could have run as the GOP guy and won. Inflation, brought on by Trump's mishandling of COVID, may have been the deciding factor. A trip to grocery store is a pretty dismaying event for most folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 07 Nov 24 - 11:15 AM The electorate thought differently to you, the grown up are just the same, big corporations, they have just chosen to back a different puppetThe Man in the Mask Notes: words and music by Malvina Reynolds; copyright 1971 Schroder Music Company, renewed 1999. Come sit down beside me before the big T.V. And watch the funny pictures they have there to look at, Shampoo for your hair and the last polar bear, And the man on the moon who was walking around Then left, leaving junk on the once virgin ground. There's old timey movies with old fashioned dresses, The kidnap of babies and other such messes, There's football and baseball and guys selling cars, And then there's The Man in the Mask. Chorus: They say it's his face, but I just can't believe it. It looks like a mask that I saw in the store. It talks with deep feeling about ending some war And stopping inflation, and it's so fantastic, You'll cry while you're laughing, and roll on the floor. Every four years he puts a new mask on. Each one is worse than the one he had before, But the words are the same and the same earnest manner, About ending inflation and stopping the war. The sponsors paid out a million of millions To get him up there with his magic routine, But it's really a bargain, 'cause there's such a margin In war and inflation and the big T.V. screen That gives us The Man in the Mask. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: meself Date: 07 Nov 24 - 11:17 AM Trump - "tough guy Tony Soprano"?? That's like calling a yappy chihuahua a "tough dog pitbull". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 07 Nov 24 - 11:19 AM Ditto, meself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Thompson Date: 07 Nov 24 - 12:37 PM That, of course, implies that over 50% of American people are irrational Not ness. I heard a lot of interviews in which people says "Yes, he says those things but he doesn't mean them." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 07 Nov 24 - 12:43 PM You guys are not young men or blinded by machismo. Trump looks far more different to a 20 year old young man who has an affinity for being badass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 07 Nov 24 - 01:30 PM > I heard a lot of interviews in which people says > "Yes, he says those things but he doesn't mean them." They said that last time, and behold, he did. Never underestimate the power of an overcompensated inferiority complex. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 07 Nov 24 - 04:50 PM In the history of US Presidential elections, the incumbent president's approval rating is what the president will win by or lose by. Harris broke that rule for the first time in history by getting 8% more than the incumbent Biden's approval rating of 42%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Nov 24 - 06:29 PM For Black Women, 'America Has Revealed to Us Her True Self' Kamala Harris's resounding defeat affirmed the worst of what many Black women believed about their country, even as some looked to the future with a wary determination. Gift article, all should be able to read it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 07 Nov 24 - 07:16 PM Creating a better society is possible Stilly. It's getting closer. In the short run a winner has to paint a perception that is both true and will stick in the minds of people who generally can not name their Senator. Peddling hope is less effective than; agreeing, showing why they are mad, and lastly give a simple clear slogan and lasting solution. Yeah I call it hypnosis but Republicans are good at it and Democrats aren't. It's time Dems do the best thing for the greater good. The long run is the stuff of legacy and history. It will write itself if the short run is handled well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Thompson Date: 08 Nov 24 - 03:28 AM It's time Dems do the best thing for the greater good. What do you mean by the best thing, Donuel? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 08 Nov 24 - 04:44 AM Mean while the country occupying Germany with bases is not Russia but America , i think it is unlikely Trump will remove all bases or any. we must wait and see |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Bat Goddess Date: 08 Nov 24 - 01:58 PM Just remember, fewer than 25% of the American eligible voters voted for Trump. All is not lost. I fear that some people who voted for Trump will find, to their regret, exactly what they voted for. Linn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 08 Nov 24 - 02:00 PM The best thing may require mind control techniques similar to the Republicans which I consider to be a sacrifice of certain ethics regarding not getting people's permission. Sometimes to achieve a greater good ya gotta do some semi unsavory things. It is far less invasive and injureous than project 2025. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 08 Nov 24 - 02:55 PM So what's your plan, Don, are you gonna make America cluck like a chicken? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 08 Nov 24 - 04:10 PM MAFA make America free again - the antithesis of MAGA Most civil servants are Schedule C employees that can only be terminated by cause. Bigger wigs are schedule F employees who are appointed by the President and serve at the pleasure of the President, which means 'fired'. Even before project 2025 Republicans want to make most civil service employees schedule F so they can be fired and replaced by the President. It did not go according to their plan but Project 2025 is bringing this process of mass firing back. My family is better off than many government workers since we are under Maryland law which has more protection than Virginia. Project 2025 hopes to destroy the bureaucrats/agencies in three other ways. There will be ongoing fights without a doubt. Elon Musk will be playing his villainous part. He will claim he is improving efficiency and saving money but he will be destroying function. With all the Trump loyalists replacing people who already have experience the learning curve for the replacements and vacancies could take a lifetime. The other ways to destroy the government are things like starving it out without appropriations. For government workers who see how the sausage is made they are not the enemy deep state that Trump believes we are. We do make inconvenient witnesses to Trump corruption. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Nov 24 - 04:28 PM Inconvenient witnesses from the last time may be first on his hit list. I fear for the National Archives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: robomatic Date: 09 Nov 24 - 01:10 AM WAshington Week with The Atlantic explained some of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 09 Nov 24 - 02:21 AM if the turnip pardons itself, the next president needs to revoke the pardon the day after taking office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 09 Nov 24 - 02:48 AM Can we make judgements on what he actually does in office and his policies when they actually take place |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Thompson Date: 09 Nov 24 - 06:12 AM Can we make judgements on what he actually does in office and his policies when they actually take place We can, Sandman; but we can conjecture based on his first term, and those who surrounded him in that term and those who now will be his team. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Big Al Whittle Date: 09 Nov 24 - 07:30 AM we can conjecture... however theres only so many ways you can spell shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 09 Nov 24 - 07:33 AM You can do whatever you like, The Sandman, but I've seen this shit show before and now that he no longer has to answer to voters and will soon own the DoJ (one of the entities that's trying to bring him to justice) and will effectively be above the law, it's a safe bet that things will be far worse this time around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 24 - 07:57 AM Planning ahead and being prepared does precede acts by a vengeful person. If you have no skin in the game getting ready ahead of time might seem silly. Mass deportations are expensive. Deporting Jews from Germany would have been cost-prohibitive. Using Jewish slave labor was actually profitable. It was cheaper to kill them all. Mass deportation will be quite a boondoggle with money for all involved except immigrants. The family separation will be the biggest tragedy in modern US history in my book. What happens to the children born here by immigrants? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 24 - 08:45 AM What has happened to the USA has been brewing for 40 to 50 years The concept of a public good has been replaced by a greedy selfishness of SELF concern culminating in Trumpism. Locally an initiative to not allow ambulance service to those who can not pay was a big issue. The toxic combination of selfishness, greed, and hatred has become the norm. "My own concerns are all that matter" is the credo of America today. Public good is out the door. What has happened here is about who we are. Trump did not create this philosophy, we did. Democrats are still playing the game on a Republican field. We need to be more honest about who we are, who we could be and why. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 24 - 09:07 AM On the lighter side, if you drive a pickup and drink beer, you won the election. If you drive a Prius and drink wine, you lost. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Rain Dog Date: 09 Nov 24 - 09:21 AM I saw this posted elsewhere Polybius - The Histories Book VI "When a state has weathered many great perils and subsequently attains to supremacy and uncontested sovereignty, it is evident that under the influence of long established prosperity, life becomes more extravagant and the citizens more fierce in their rivalry regarding office and other objects than they ought to be. As these defects go on increasing, the beginning of the change for the worse will be due to love of office and the disgrace entailed by obscurity, as well as to extravagance and purse-proud display; and for this change the populace will be responsible when on the one hand they think they have a grievance against certain people who have shown themselves grasping, and when, on the other hand, they are puffed up by the flattery of others who aspire to office. For now, stirred to fury and swayed by passion in all their counsels, they will no longer consent to obey or even to be the equals of the ruling caste, but will demand the lion’s share for themselves. When this happens, the state will change its name to the finest sounding of all, freedom and democracy, but will change its nature to the worst thing of all, mob rule." Polybius (c. 200 – c. 118 BC) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 09 Nov 24 - 09:24 AM I drive a pickup and drink beer and my wife drives a Prius (actually it's a Tesla) and drinks wine and we both lost, big time. I saw a bumper sticker on a Tesla the other day that read something like "Bought it Before I Knew he was Such a Jackass". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Nov 24 - 10:37 AM The finger pointing right now is going in all directions. Black women blaming White women, White women blaming minorities and men, college educated versus high school or less education, and many other versions of the blame game. The places we get our news are so diverse and many of them so free of the truth that until there is a conversation about that, it's a cacophony. As long as it benefits the GOP to let big money into politics Citizens United will never be overturned, and after Twitter being sold to Musk there is a huge toxic platform of invective—The New York Times and every other newspaper in the land are not the main source of information for the voters who didn't understand Trump's lies and self-interest in running - to stay out of prison. There's a lot of work to do to find ways to educate those Trump voters about how the government really works and hopefully a way to reign in the oligarchs. In turn, the Democrats have to pay more attention to the voters who have less education, to all of the jobs in fields and trades that have been overlooked. And to shine a light on the real reasons groceries are expensive and housing hard to come by - investors and corporations. What a lot of them are doing now used to be illegal. Thank Dubya and the Supreme Court for rolling back a lot of the things that kept corporations honest. The court has to be addressed - a binding code of conduct, an Inspector General. And Biden does need to add another justice, though Trump would probably do the same thing just to get even. Right now everyone is probably holding their breaths and trying not to give Trump any ideas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 09 Nov 24 - 10:54 AM Trump has revealed America, he didn't change it. The average age of home buyers for our parents was 34. Today the average age is 54. Even bad food is more expensive The middle class has been devoured. Bleeding them further is murder. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 09 Nov 24 - 11:37 AM > Trump has revealed America, he didn't change it. Verily. Until today, I didn't know that ....
The problem in applying the 14th Amendment now is: Who's left who can bell the cat? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Backwoodsman Date: 09 Nov 24 - 11:56 AM Here’s Jonathan Pie talking about the US election in his own inimitable fashion. It’s comedic, of course, but there’s much more than just a hint of truth in there… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Nov 24 - 12:20 PM MaJoC the Filk sent me a note about a typo - reign vs rein - but I think I'll leave it because think about it. Who wants to reign - it's unintentional wordplay about part of the problem. (If the squiggly red lines didn't show a spelling error syntax goofs often get through.) A lot of people are trying to figure out where to go next, based upon what happened. Mistakes were made, and while there are a few folks trying to gin up conspiracy theories about the voting machines, that dog won't hunt (it's part of Trump's pack of mongrels, we know how stupid it is.) We have two years to turn the House and Senate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Helen Date: 09 Nov 24 - 01:22 PM gillymor, I've been telling my Hubby that I want to make up "FEM" stickers to put on Tesla cars i.e. "f*ck Elon Musk", because that's what I say every time I see a Tesla. DtG, give it a rest please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Nov 24 - 01:31 PM You too Helen. And 100! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 10 Nov 24 - 05:26 AM As Donald Trump won the election, his far-right supremacist supporters sparked a wave of misogynistic abuse In a tight US election, a gender split emerges as Donald Trump chases the 'bro vote' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 10 Nov 24 - 07:36 AM What to do: Your health care is likely to be lost if it is AHC. Get an appointment and demand as thorough a screening as possible. Prices elsewhere will probably rise so document your plan and its usage well. Pre-existing condition restrictions could return so be informed. Tariffs will make certain items expensive, so stock up where possible. Walmart, Target, and Costco may lose some price advantages. Some items like cheap electric cars will be unavailable if they come from China. I don't know the effect on 90% of the economy, but beware of idle gossip; scams may become rampant and grift normalized without consumer protection. The more you can document now the better off you may be in 4 years due to unforeseen circumstances. |
