BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:18 AM

"Maybe I shouldn't be singing this song
Ranting "nd raving and carrying ona
Maybe they're right when they tell me I'm wrong…
NAAAAH!

I'm an asshole (he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole (he's the world's biggest asshole
I'm an asshole and I'm proud of it!"

Asshole, Dennis Lear

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:18 AM

Well, Keith, I think the point is that some of us don't like to see people who act like those things you mention being insulated from the direct and sharp criticism that they richly deserve. It's people behaving like those things, expecting to get away with not being called names, that are the true cause of the debate, and the forum, being dragged down. For example, I see Ake has reared his head here (with a pretty stupid accusation about a gang of four, whatever that's supposed to mean). Ake is a homophobe. He doesn't like being called a homophobe. We don't just tell him he's a homophobe, we explain to him why he's a homophobe. If he doesn't like it, he should either put up with it or take thought and stop being a homophobe. You blatantly misrepresented me yesterday in another thread. If you don't like being dealt with via sharp tongues, it's really simple. Don't misrepresent people. Jack did it to me all the time and he didn't like the way I reacted to that. Tough. You know, I can spend fifteen or twenty minutes or more trying to make a thoughtful post, then some twit who doesn't like me comes along with a one-liner and negates everything I've said by misrepresenting it, so I have to come back and tell him where he got it wrong and make the point all over again, and I'm supposed to be polite. That is not funny. I regard it as ten times more offensive than being called a name, frankly.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:31 AM

So, Steve Shaw,

You are ok with the following post?

"Steve Shaw is an anti-Semite. He doesn't like being called an anti-Semite. We don't just tell him he's an anti-Semite, we explain to him why he's an anti_Semite. If he doesn't like it, he should either put up with it or take thought and stop being an anti-Semite. "

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:42 AM

I'd be fine with that post if I were an anti-semite, but, as dozens, if not hundreds, of my posts here attest, including at least one yesterday in which I doughtily defended Israel's right to exist and the right of Israelis to live in peace, I'm not one. Of course, if you could provide a single quote from any of my posts that demonstrated antisemitism in any shape or form, I'd retract. Naturally, I'd expect you to ensure that you knew what the word actually meant first. I have my doubts. In the meantime, grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:56 AM

Steve,

Note that I asked IF YOU WERE OK with that post, NOT that it was so.

As YOU state, you would be OK with it IF IT WAS TRUE.


So, if it is NOT true, the person YOU use such logic on has a right to be annoyed with you, correct?

Perhaps you should be a bit careful about what conclusions you draw, and what problems are within YOU for YOUR misreading a simple post.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:59 AM

What is the difference between calling someone a cad and calling someone a twat? The sentiment is the same in both cases. They are both personal insults. One is accepted while the other is not. The only difference, as far as I can tell, is current standards. I must say I do not tend to use 'bad language' in the main but there are times, as Steve says, when it seems to be the right course of action. I am also puzzled as to what the moderators consider to be personal insults. When someone alludes to an identity, whether they use the name or not, and proceeds to claim that the people they allude to are in some way bad, is that not the same as a personal insult?

I am afraid it is all getting a bit beyond me. Can we not have some guidance as to what is acceptable and what is not and then have consistency in deleting posts that are unacceptable and suspending or banning those who regularly break the rules? Don't get me wrong. I am happy with the current level of moderation, but when the moderators get involved in such arguments without accepting the responsibility of policing the site then I begin to wonder exactly what is going on.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:47 AM

I haven't misread anything. If you wish to call me an antisemite, I wouldn't agree but I wouldn't exactly sue you. I would ask you to support your statement (your track record when it comes to responding to such requests is pretty dodgy, isn't it, as we see on the Israel thread at the moment). I don't get upset when I get called names, but I do get somewhat irritated, more as a consequence of the time-wasting involved, when I'm misrepresented. Now you're wasting my time right now. We all know what you're like and your silliness is of little concern. So enough from me to you for now.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:52 AM

No, Steve, you are wasting all of our's time.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:56 AM

Bruce is off his meds again, flailing about on several threads simultaneously.

This, too, will pass.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 09:00 AM

Correct. He's pestering me on the Israel thread too. But there's no talking to him. Something about moving goalposts, I think. Now I really must nip out to Morrisons.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 09:06 AM

Easy.

Everyone is a twat till they convince me otherwise.

That's equality for you.



Except Keith.

He isn't a twat.







He's a soft cunt.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 09:08 AM

Now I really must nip out to Morrisons. 6 Bottles of wine - 25% off at the mo. I think. Enjoy.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 09:12 AM

I do not remember "BeardedBruce" being part of the solution - rather a serial defender of the right-wing indefensible, So is KeithA. I do not remember Steve Shaw being an antisemite. I do remember Akenhateon being a homophobe and racist. These false equivalencies, like the attempts to compare creationism and rational thought, are the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 09:15 AM

GregF,

You should be able to find the duct tape you need to continue molesting small rodents.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: TheSnail
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 09:43 AM


the homophobes, misogynists, religious bigots, creationists, evolution-deniers, racists, misrepresenters and liars

I am none of those things Steve but you constantly call me names. Why is that?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:24 AM

"I am also puzzled as to what the moderators consider to be personal insults."

As are they many times. "Personal" insults are not always clear & unambiguous. It is often a matter of context & past history.... but that is only one problem.

" Can we not have some guidance as to what is acceptable and what is not and then have consistency in deleting posts that are unacceptable and suspending or banning those who regularly break the rules? "

Dave... you have been here long enough to remember when they tried to follow a consistent set of rules and keep up with the various threads. What did it get them? It got even more complaints about whether they had been fair & reasonable.... and when stuff was edited or deleted, it often led to bewilderment about broken continuity as folks tried to guess what HAD been deleted.
   Joe Offer has explained all this several times, and Jeri & SRS have tried to clarify it. Max said years ago...(paraphrasing) "It is up to the members, mostly, to learn to converse and make the forum comfortable." But humans come in way too many flavors to write simple guidelines... some want restrained, friendly discussions, some relish unrestrained battle.."Ooh, threats! Great! let's have it then. " (It wasn't a threat... it was my way of refusing to engage in a type of argument that I do not practice regularly, and which 'others' are far better at. Cultural differences...etc. ☺)

I have opinions... and I have stated them on many, many topics for many years here. But I **CHOOSE** to debate the issue and NOT get into a mud-slinging fight with those who disagree with me.
(and there I go, resorting to ".. the quotes, the asterisks and the capitals... " again.)
   Sorry Steve, but that's how I **CHOOSE** to try to make my typing sound like I was talking. It is not up to you to correct my typography...or to direct how I phrase my occasional debate with Pete. If all you want is to bait me into a freewheeling insult match... at which you'd win hands down... no thanks.
(I just remembered a story about our former president, Calvin Coolidge, who was known as "Silent Cal" for his terse and restrained style. A matron came up to him at some event and burbled, "Oh Mr. President! I've just made a bet with my friend that I could get to say three words to me!"... Coolidge looked at her calmly and said , "You lose.")

I, obviously, am not as clever OR restrained as Coolidge, but I do keep his example in mind at times.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:33 AM

... For they shall inhibit the earth....

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:40 AM

Fine, Bill D. I understand that. What I don't understand is that if "It is up to the members, mostly, to learn to converse and make the forum comfortable."   why are moderators stepping in and making it more uncomfortable for some than for others?

All we need is a bit of consistency.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:45 AM

Sorry Steve, but that's how I **CHOOSE** to try to make my typing sound like I was talking. It is not up to you to correct my typography

No need to apologise. As for me, I trust the English language to do all the expressing I need. Clumsy attempts to improve on it are, I find, somewhat counter-productive.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:50 AM

"Now I really must nip out to Morrisons." 6 Bottles of wine - 25% off at the mo. I think. Enjoy.

Exactement! I came back with six Canti proseccos and six Trezanti negromaros, both already on offer. Plus I had a four-quid-off coupon as long as I spent fifty quid. Plus that 25% off... You do have to buy exact multiples of six, though, unlike at some other emporia. Golden rule: never pay the correct price for a bottle of wine!

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Stu
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:51 AM

"yanks are just simple and just don't get the subtleties of English language and humour"

No-one said that, and I certainly don't think that. That's two tired old stereotypes in one sentence and anyone who has travelled to the US from the UK and vice-versa would know; they would also know there are plenty of cultural differences, and when we're in the US my American friends and us have a good laugh about them.

Ever heard Prime Minister's Question time?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:55 AM

Because even Max understands that there are limits... and he delegates some of the decisions...*shrug* And the moderators are human and fallible and are themselves members with opinions. Joe has also tried to explain what a pain it was to sort the complaining PMs from those whose definition of 'consistency' was different from his.

There are sites, I believe, with some sort of automated 'censor' program which detects forbidden language. HA!
I, myself was a member of one forum where all posts were not visible until they were reviewed.. often several days later. Wouldn't work here... Some sites just ban people, but that almost always involves a set of IP addresses which include the innocent.

The 'problem' with Mudcat, as well as its virtue, is that it tries to be one of the most open forums around. Free Speech WILL be interpreted to suit each person, hmmm?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:55 AM

I am none of those things Steve but you constantly call me names. Why is that?

Because you lack the courage to agree that evolution is true (or, rather, you keep having a go at me when I say it) and because you have been known to get on me tits by following me around looking for any excuse to tell the world how I disdain Popper, etc. Annoying. But I do know you're basically a sound chap.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:57 AM

You see above ...... Dear Mudcatters, a fine example of passive aggressive debate. Couching one's disdain with nice words and an air of superiority could earn one the coveted BBOP designation. Bill Day, one of the finest folks and most thoughtful Mudcatters I have ever had the privilege to meet, ALWAYS expresses ideas and responds to issues. For that, potential initiates into the BBOPC attack his style instead of his ideas. While the example isn't the most egregious example, it is the tip of the iceberg to the behaviour I am speaking of.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:06 PM

Because even Max understands that there are limits... and he delegates some of the decisions...*shrug* And the moderators are human and fallible and are themselves members with opinions.

I guess that was in answer to my question, Bill? If so, fairy nuff. Yes, the mods are human and fallible. I said before, I am more than happy to let them get on with it. It is not as a mod. that I am questioning Mick. It is as a contributor. If anyone else was to send out BBOPC awards I suspect they would be censured. BTW - BBOPC is a poor acronym. Can anyone think of a better term? Tormentors With Attitude Troubles maybe? :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:08 PM

They hate religion and they hate free speech.
They are the "fundies" on this forum, nothing but their agenda will be tolerated.
Anyone who speaks on immigration, or the STD epidemic in MSM is a "racist, or a homophobe.
These subjects are uncomfortable for them, so must be stopped by intimidation or direct cursing...they have no other answer.

I believe it is a concerted effort to have this section of the site closed

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:17 PM

Have you guys noticed anything odd going on with your computers recently?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:20 PM

I will guarantee you they would NOT be censored, Dave. The opening post was tongue in cheek and mentioned no names. It is very likely that we, in our roles as moderators, would have discussed it, and kept an eye on it. As to the terminology I used, that was an attempt at humour, and meant to draw a response. I have always found it hilarious when someone is called an obstreperous prick. I think the first time I heard it was in the Navy when an E-8 Chief Petty Officer had finished off chewing the arse out of a subordinate. The lower ranked enlisted man lost his temper and called the Chief about 47 different kinds of a mo#€~rf*%#ker, and ended with "a old obstreperous prick". It was an amazing display of the ancient and honourable art of creative profanity that these two squids put on. Makes me laugh just thinking about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Stu
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:25 PM

"The 'problem' with Mudcat, as well as its virtue, is that it tries to be one of the most open forums around."

It's openness is what makes it a great place to be, but as you say that comes at a price. However for all the boors, prigs and pompous gits (me) it is a wonderful place, and the only forum I've stayed on since I started back in the late 1990's and still log onto several times a day.

I've met people here who have, through robust and thoughtful argument changed my thinking on some subjects at a fundamental level; Divis Sweeney springs to mind as someone who showed me the other side of a complex and difficult subject and made me think differently and realise much about how we are spoon-fed information by governments and media on any number of subjects. I'd like to buy the man a pint.

It doesn't matter if the mods don't get it, if we don't get it or whatever. What matters is it's here, it still exists and we should be grateful.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:28 PM

To date, you are a homophobe Akenaton, and one or two others seem to think normal people as a concept clashes with their ideology.

You don't speak about any of those subjects. You tell us that in your opinion, gay people get together for sex not love. That all gay relationships are "open" ones with multiple partners.

You say "marriage" rather than marriage when referring to gay couples despite their marriage being every bit as valid as your own.   

You wish to force gay people to invasive clinical testing against their will, even when there is no purpose nor reason. You can't accept that gay people can be monogamous or not engage in sex. Or that clinical data shows that a higher proportion of gay people practice safe sex than heterosexual people. You quote data from a foreign country, wrongly I might add, in order to push your odious agenda here. You see the high take up of voluntary testing by gay people as a reason to force testing on the demographic that accesses it most anyway. There are more heterosexual people living with HIV than gay people yet all you wish to do is round up gay people as the only way to stop AIDS.

Free speech?

That isn't free speech. That's abusing free speech to propagate a disgraceful criminal agenda.

If this section can stay open but without your polluting filth, it would be a start.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Stu
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:38 PM

If my post seems a tad obsequious then be sure that's not the intention.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:42 PM

How would one refer to one who posts that being gay is a perversion?

Just wondering, in case it ever happens ;) ?

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:53 PM

Ho hum. Some of the usual BBOP are here, repetitiously posting.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:57 PM

Q .... Two thumbs up!

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Musket
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 01:20 PM

If you can get two thumbs up, you may be able to approach the subject with a degree of empathy.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 01:49 PM

Ho hum. Some of the usual BBOP are here, repetitiously posting.

Ho hum, the same holier-than-thou, supercilious, extraneous crap from the usual Q, posting as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 01:57 PM

"Two thumbs up- does it hurt?"

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 03:00 PM

Hi Mick - Thanks for the response. I did say censured and not censored but I am happy to forgive that mistake - Anyone can do it. Even me :-) I think that anyone else would have been censured for it and, on reflection, I have shown my disapproval so consider yourself censured! You are welcome to take no notice at all and I will leave it at that but I still think you have caused a fuss for nothing. Water under the bridge now though so I will not bring it up again.

I like the term Obstreperous Prick too and it adds a whole now meaning to the term 'OP'. Now when I see someone reffering to the OP I will not be sure if they are being insulting or not :-) I do think we could find a better term with a pithier acronym though. How about STop Obstreperous Pricks Interacting Today!? (STOPIT!)

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 04:11 PM

You see above ...... Dear Mudcatters, a fine example of passive aggressive debate. Couching one's disdain with nice words and an air of superiority could earn one the coveted BBOP designation.

Hmm. Perhaps you'd care to explain what the bloody hell you're on about. Passive aggressive debate, eh? Have you just made that up? Go on, give us an example or two!

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 04:29 PM

And so to bed.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 04:56 PM

And so to bed.

And long overdue.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Janie
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 12:41 AM

Musket, Greg F., Steve Shaw (and a few others who are simply not coming to mind right now) I wonder if you might consider that you are are each and collectively closed systems from perhaps constructive feedback. As closed, albeit along different avenues, as those who you feel free to dehumanize because of their closed belief systems.

Also wonder if you ever reflect on the logical dissonance encompassed in your assertions that those who espouse beliefs that are irrational (or to some extent are simply different from your own beliefs) or invalidating of others deserve to be invalidated when those values you say are so dear are about valuing the worth of other human beings.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 01:16 AM

Janie ...... You will never make it into the Black Belt Obstreperous Pricks Club talking like that .... Just sayin'

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Janie
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 01:23 AM

Sorry for the garbled last sentence. Pointless to correct. Says something, and not flattering or constructive about me, that "points" figured into my thinking at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 01:29 AM

Janie

If you want to discuss members and their approach to human beings, start with those who devalue fellow humans before questioning those who point out their awful agenda.

As far as I can make out, those, me included, whom you pick out for criticism tend to be reactive rather than proactive. I for one refuse to let hatred go unchallenged.

Akenaton is entitled to a view. He is not entitled under the law where he lives to promote that view by inflammatory lies to demonise sections of society.

I have already reported this via my ISP.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Janie
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 03:00 AM

Musket et. al. I understand that closed systems are closed systems. Doesn't hurt to knock every now and again to see if some one comes and opens a door just a crack. Not sure if the door just cracked open or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 03:33 AM

From one of those who has left the scene as a whole.

Matters came to a head over the death of Countess Richard. I took to heart the critique that local folkies had done nothing to care for her, being a local folkie: I now sing with the Bowes Road Community Choir, rather than the new Bounds Green Singers Club. Our turf is where she lived, although I did not know that.
Consequently, I took it on me to try to find out what had actually happened, and posted as soon as possible the data obtained from the responsible authorities concerning the rumours. For example, it was thought that she had died in the local hospital, who confirmed that to the best of their knowledge she was still alive. For that, I was thoroughly vilified. None the less, I kept going, and after plaguing the local registrars of deaths discovered that yes she had died some time back, and that yes no funeral had yet happened because they had had trouble finding her family. I then trogged up to the coroners who welcomed me with open arms because they had just found her brother, who remembered you bunch but not what you were called, let alone had any contact with you. That then allowed him to get in contact, I backed off and the rest is history.

I put myself in her position. Would I want friends who behave like you did? I do not. The Germans distinguish between humans and real people, they have a word "mensch" for the latter. It does not apply to the members of the local clubs who did nothing to support her when alive, nor to the ivory tower theoreticians here who expected perfect and instant knowledge when they weren't bothered to actually get off their fat arses here and help find out. Friends like that I don't need either, and that includes most of the folk community in North London.

So before you get too comfy and self-justified in your complacency, kindly take this thought from someone who still wishes you well from outside the tent: what you have done in the past belongs in the past. It is what you are doing next which matters, and although you are building that from the wreckage of the experience of what you have done in the past, you are only as good as your next gig. It will stop being negative, and cure the aforementioned problems - and might restore the folk world as we know it.

No, I'm not open to self-justificatory replies or acerbic criticism: as far as I'm concerned that's in the past, this is simply a statement of the personal viewpoint of one ex-folkie who walked away and whose mind is made up. Too many of you don't give a folk about folk, real folk, proper people, and that is a serious character defect. However much you may pride yourself in ecky-thump robustness, it has to be backed with common humanity, which if lacking, just turns you into a pit of bile and shite. It is up to those who have some to sort out those who don't, and it is the task of the mods to back them up. It's not being prissy to expect some human heart in someone's general postings, to mix toughness and gentility, if all you are becoming is a grinder, and perhaps that is what this is about: build, don't destroy.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 03:36 AM

POST...3 April 2014. 12:28pm.

Almost every word of this post is a lie.
This is how they operate, tell lies often enough on an internet forum and people begin to believe them.
Each allegation can be checked back, but nobody can be bothered, so it just slips through.


Jeri.....I have had trouble with this site, logging on and navigation,
my tech guy says a bug/tr has been inserted and he sorted it out.
He's working on it at the moment.
I informed admin, and changed my SP.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 05:24 AM

No, Akenhateon, you have been outed. Get used to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Black Belt Obstreperous Prick Club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 05:52 AM

so lets re-cap.

1) the people who think God requires weird stuff of us, say you should stop being nasty. I agree - these people have tough lives. be nice to them, as nice as possible.

2) poor old Diane. we're most of us of an age. I hereby absolve you all from worrying about what happens when I drop off the twig. I have asked that an announcement be put in the stage. I have asked the MU to be notified but I doubt anybody knows me well enough to put it in their magazine. hopefully they will stop collecting my subscription.