BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 03:08 PM

"Does Israel behead anyone?"
"Is it Israeli policy to behead opponents?"
"Why do decent countries have anything to do with such a barbarous regime?"
Why do decnt countrie
s sell weapons to terrorist States - For money and political influnce, Keith, for money and plitical influence
Did the minister say it?
Can yuo produce one single statement claiming it was a figure of speech - no you cannot - you are lying again
Yes there has. We have the testimony of many senior Labour members and leaders."
The produce their descriptions of that antisemitism
If you can stop yourself from lying for a single minute.
How do you think a jury would react if an accuser stood up and accused someone of a crime and said "!I'm not going to tell you what h has done
You are a stupidly dishonest antisemitic toad.
Jewish Pact of Silence - how racist can you gt?
Another statement for you to deny
Holocaust threat to Palestinians
An Israeli minister today warned of increasingly bitter conflict in the Gaza Strip, saying the Palestinians could bring on themselves what he called a "holocaust".

"The more Qassam [rocket] fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Matan Vilnai, Israel's deputy defence minister, told army radio.

Shoah is the Hebrew word normally reserved to refer to the Jewish Holocaust. It is rarely used in Israel outside discussions of the Nazi extermination of Jews during the second world war, and many Israelis are loath to countenance its use to describe other events.

The minister's statement came after two days of tit-for-tat missile raids between Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip and the Israeli army. At least 32 Palestinians and one Israeli have been killed since the surge in violence on Wednesday.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/29/israelandthepalestinians1
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 03:22 PM

Using Steve Shaw's logic, on points raised by Jim Carroll:

If an Israeli Minister says something it must be true and it must be fact, it must also be Israeli Government Policy.

An Israeli Minister says that all disloyal Arabs should be beheaded. Must be true an Israeli Minister said it.

An Israeli Minister says that Israel was not responsible for the Sabra-Shatila Massacres. How about that one Jim? An Israeli Minister said that as well.

Only problem with the former is that under Israeli law capital punishment does not exist so how could Arabs "disloyal" or otherwise, or anybody else in Israel be sentenced to death in an Israeli Court. Now in Gaza under Hamas completely different story.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 03:35 PM

"An Israeli Minister says that all disloyal Arabs should be beheaded. Must be true an Israeli Minister said it."
If it is published and not disproved - yes
"it must also be Israeli Government Policy."
If they (two of them_ attain and keep high office, it must have the Government's blessing
Are you suggesting that it is proper for ministers who made such statements to hold office?
"An Israeli Minister said that as well."
Nope - the report set up by the Government said that one and the man they found responsible was later appointed Prime Minister - so the Government must have approved of that one - the world said they were guilt so we don't take the Israeli's word for it anyway..
"Only problem with the former is that under Israeli law capital punishment "Israeli law dos not cover massacres of unarmed civilians or refugees, doesn't stop them from happening regularly
If they made a difference, the Israelis would abolish them the same as they are calling for the abolition of the International court
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 05:11 PM

Ridiculous post, Teribus. Of course he wasn't saying that Arab heads would ever be cut off. But Keith's suggestion that it was a "figure of speech" is equally ridiculous. It's a lot more than that and Keith, as ever, in "putting Israel's side of the story," is trying to trivialise a lousy, rotten racist remark from a lousy, rotten, known racist. The remark is a symptom of the fact that the man is sick in the head and has no place in a supposedly responsible administration. He exposed himself via his own words. He's not been the only one in successive Israeli regimes either, has he?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 07:45 PM

Call for Genocide 2016
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 02:32 AM

Jim Carroll - 21 Oct 16 - 03:35 PM - Complete and utter bollocks Jim - as usual - Politicians say lots of things that they do not mean and know full well will never happen. They are said to placate the various groups they address and are as changeable as the wind. they also change what they say for "domestic" consumption and then state something else entirely for "international" consumption.

Besides Jim, Avigdor Lieberman said opponents of the Israeli state "deserve to have heads chopped off with an axe". NOT "Should have their heads cut off" - there is a massive difference. He made that statement on 3.09.2015 and I do not think that since making that comment the Knesset has even debated let alone voted on reintroducing capital punishment in Israel - so answer my question - How on earth could anybody have their heads cut off by Israeli Government Policy when no such Policy exists?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 02:40 AM

Steve Shaw - 21 Oct 16 - 05:11 PM

Of course he wasn't saying that Arab heads would ever be cut off.

You know and realise that Steve, I know and realise that - BUT Jim Carroll DOESN'T he believes it to be Israeli Government Policy just because some twat of a Politician said it.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 03:50 AM

"Politicians say lots of things that they do not mean "
Then we have to take them by their actions
These are public statements made by senior politicians
You make an enormous issue of blogs by non politicians who later became politicised, yet you write off those made by leading Israeli statesmen - once again, without proof, of course.
The pair of you appear to have appointed yourselves unofficial spokesmen for these monsters - unless you have a regular pay-packet coming in, of course.
Do you actually have any evidence that these people don't mean what they say? -
I've asked Keith to provide evidence for his Jewish plot theory - none has been forthcoming - I've got sore fingers asking you to back up your claims with actual evidence - once again - nowt.
Likewise with asking you to provide facts and figures for you Labour Party accusation - th silence is deafening.
You seem to fill your tank with a string of excuses for a regime whose behaviour is open and obvious.
You a a self-appointed bunch of atrocity deniers - and not very good at it.
"How on earth could anybody have their heads cut off by Israeli Government Policy when no such Policy exists?"
How on earth can you make excuses for a Govenment that includes these people.
No - I don't believe for one minute the Israelis woud do such a thing - they would never get away with it - even their bosom buddies in the U.S. wouldn't be able to back them on that one.
THEY ARE INCITEMENTS TO RACE HATRED AGAINST A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN ORDER TO DRIVE THEM OUT OF LAND THEY HAVE OCCUPIED FOR MILLENIA - IT IS PART OF THE ETHNIC CLEANSING CAMPAIGN THAT HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE FOR A LONG TIME
And isn't it just working - you choose to ignore the calls for genocide by the tel Aviv mob - not worth a comment.
Here's a film of Israelis celebrating the fact that Palesininan schools http://www.redressonline.com/2014/07/watch-israelis-celebrate-the-slaughter-of-palestinian-children-call-for-murder-of-israeli-arab-legislators/ becaus "there are no children left in Gaza"
Incitement to race hatred is a crime in Britain - it is rife among Israelis and you scumbags excuse it.
Above all, all these incidents are living (or dying) proof of the accusation is becoming ot has bencome a fascist state.
A few more facts to be ignored or denied.
"DECENT DEMOCRATIC" cover-up ]
Evidence of War Crimes HAARETZ
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 04:24 AM

Should have blue clickied this - unmissable
Celebrating deaths of Palestinian children
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 04:45 AM

" Of course he wasn't saying that Arab heads would ever be cut off."

Got that Jim!

Call for Genocide 2016
Jim

That is bollocks too.


Celebrating deaths of Palestinian children
Jim Carroll

Need I say, more bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 06:21 AM

"That is bollocks too.
"More denials of news reports and even films"
You may be an apology for a human being - but by gd, you are #a worse propagandist - you deny photographs, films of the events and photographs - they is both brandead and lazy
Where is your evidence that these have been manufactured?
1000 SUPPORT SOLDIER WHO EXECUTED PALESTINIAN
"Among the sea of flags and signs, one read "My honor is loyalty" – the motto of the Nazi SS. Last night was the latest example of the genocidal current running through Israeli society, one that has support from the grassroots to the parliament."
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 06:27 AM

Well, I think I can say without fear or favour that neither you, Jim nor I believes that axes are to be taken to Arab heads in Israel any time soon. I can also say, without fear or favour, that you, Jim and I are in agreement that the remark was made by "some twat of a politician." Just trying to spread a little harmony here, that's all....

Now when some "twat of a politician" says something stupid and untimely like that, we quite rightly pick them up on it and criticise them for it. All three of us, in our own differently sweet ways, have now had a pop at the detestable Mr Lieberman. So, Teribus, what I'd like you now to do is to 'ave a little word in Keith's shell-like and tell him that Naz Shah was being stupid and untimely when she made those ridiculous posts about moving Israel to the US. She was definitely being a twat of a politician, wasn't she? So when a proven twat of a politician then says something that fits nicely with your agenda, for example that they said something antisemitic when they didn't really, probably to save their skin, then we should really suspect that they may just be continuing to be a bit of a twat of a politician and not, as Keith would have it, the bearer of the sword of truth...


Just sayin'....

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 07:54 AM

Every time one of these scumbag ministers makes one of of his scumbag statements he is reproducing a microcosmic Nuremberg Rally
Can't remember the Jewish writer who said that, but isn't it the case?
More "Bollocks"

AND ANOTHER - this time from Haaretz
ARABS TO THE GAS CHAMBERS
CELEBRATING DEATH OF CHILD BURNED ALIVE IN ARSON ATTACK

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 02:51 PM

Jim, what is the message of all your links?
Do they really show Jews doing what you claim? I doubt it.
If they do, what does it tell us about Jews?
Or is it supposed to tell us something about the Israeli government?
No. It only shows groups of Jews, not government officials.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 05:07 PM

You're really wallowing today, aren't you, Keith? 😂

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 04:09 AM

"Jim, what is the message of all your links?"
They show what is happening in Israel today Keith - why do you think I put them up?
I leave accusing "Jews" of doing such things to antisemites like yourself - this is the outcome of the crimes of an administration turning the dream of the Jewish People into a fascist nightmare - it is the work of fanatics backed by the State.
We have your decision "No It only shows groups of Jews, not government officials." - Jews, not the State.
Why didn't you say this in the first place and we could have skipped all this argument and cut to the chase.?
The statements by ministers that you have denied (not disproved), are incitement to hatred, plain and simple, and it is these which bring about behaviour like this - not the Jewish People - there are many, many more examples of such incitements and their outcome.
When Sabra/Shatila was investigated, the man who was found responsible for the massacre - by the Israeli enquiry - later became Prime Minister.
What more proof do you need of the involvement of the Israeli establishment in the massacre?
The woman who posted a message inciting total war against the Palestinian People was appointed Justice Minister (***** 'Justice' Minister, for crying out loud) by the present administration.
What more proof do you need of the concept of "Justice" by the present regime?
It was a Government Foreign Minister who proposed the beheading of disloyal Arabs.
What more proof do you need of the present regime's attitude to people who have as much right to safety, security and a home as anybody else in that area?
This incitement to hatred and killing is encouraged from the very top -
In "decent, civilised countries" presided over by decent, civilised human beings, actions such as these against an impoverished and vulnerable people would be illegal and would be stamped on by any "decent, civilised" administration - instead, it is encouraged and even participated in from the very top.
What "decent, civilised" administration would tolerate the burning alive of a child and then the celebration of that act, without punishing the perpetrators?
To blame the people for what is happening and letting the government off the hook is equivalent to blaming the German People for the Holocaust and absolving the Nazis.
You say it is the Jews not the State to blame - that is not only Antsemitism writ large, it is Fascism in its most (im)pure sense - the people being responsible for the actions of the State
You really needed to say this before now so we could have dealt with it on the basis of where you are coming from.
Thank you for confirming it now - a bit late, but better late......, as they say
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 04:56 AM

They show what is happening in Israel today Keith - why do you think I put them up?

I am far from convinced they show anything untoward.
The photograph at the wedding party is barely visible and seems to show a bearded person to my eyes. There is nothing else in the video.
It is only one small group at the street celebration being anti-Arab, and that assumes the translation is true. Non of the interviewees are.

Are you claiming that Israeli Jews are mostly monsters, are just a tiny minority as in all populations.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 06:06 AM

"I am far from convinced they show anything untoward."
you are now supporting a film celebrating the death of a child -
"Are you claiming that Israeli Jews are mostly monsters,"
No Keith - you are.
You have blamed the people for the actions of the State in order to absolve the regime.
That is Fascism, pure and simple, ad the fact that it is aimed at Jews, it is antisemitic
Take credit for what you have said and don't try to smear me with what you are guilty of
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: bobad
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 09:11 AM

From The Times of Israel

The new international definition of anti-Semitism that mentions Israel hatred was adopted in part to replace a similar one scrapped by the European Union, an initiator of the new text said.

Robert Williams, a delegate of the United States at the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, or IHRA, told JTA on Tuesday that his intergovernmental agency of 31 Western nations adopted its new definition of anti-Semitism last month partly as a response to the 2013 removal from the website of the EU's anti-racism agency of a definition that also mentioned demonizing Israel as an example of anti-Semitism.

The EU definition was dropped following lobbying by pro-Palestinian activists and pulled it offline from the website of its anti-racism agency.

IHRA Working Definition of anti-Semitism
Bucharest, 26 May 2016

In the spirit of the Stockholm Declaration that states: "With humanity still scarred by ...antisemitism
and xenophobia the international community shares a solemn responsibility to fight those evils" the
committee on Antisemitism and Holocaust Denial called the IHRA Plenary in Budapest 2015 to adopt the following working definition of antisemitism.


To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:

Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish
collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be
regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it
is often used to blame Jews for "why things go wrong." It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms
and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the
religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:


Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology
or an extremist view of religion.

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other
societal institutions.

Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a
single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.

Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the
Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices
during World War II (the Holocaust).

Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews
worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence
of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other
democratic nation.

Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing
Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 10:09 AM

It is nonsensical to include criticism of Israel as part of any definition of Antisemitism as some of the severest critics of Israeli policies are Jews - many of them from Israel.
This immediately makes possibly millions of Jews "antisemitic"
It is a totally unworkable definition - it places the actions of the Israeli State above criticism - any State occupying that position is, by definition Fascist
It is a contradictory definition if it also includes "Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel."
The Israeli regime regards all criticism of its policies in relation to the Palestinians and the Bedouins as "Antisemitic" - you are the worst offender in this Bobad
By your definition, this accusation links the Jewish People as a whole to Israeli policy and is therefore "Antisemitic" by your own definition.
Nobody here is guilty of any of the things listed above, apart from you three, who support the idea that British Jewish Parliamentarians have conspired as a group to cover up the nature of the antisemitism it is accusing Labour members of - "Jewish Plots" take us right back to the balmy days of Nazi Germany!
The sorry bunch of you appear to have painted yourselves into a corner and now Keith has made that corner even tighter by blaming the behaviour of Israeli extremists as "groups of Jews, not government officials"
Your definition brands you all as a bunch of Antisemites.
I suppose it's a waste of time asking you if you agree with it BUT YOUR SILENCE WILL BE CONFIRMATION ENOUGH THAT YOU DO - THAKS FOR THAT
Mac appears to have got the answer to his question - this is antisemitism writ very large.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 10:15 AM

The EU "definition" was not dropped or scrapped because it was never adopted in the first place, and its removal from the FRA website certainly had nothing to do with any pro-Palestinian pressure. I mean, how many more times are we going to have to put up with this drivel?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 10:54 AM

GOD'S ARMY
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: bobad
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 11:01 AM

"IHRA Chair, Ambassador Mihnea Constantinescu, stated:

"All IHRA Member Countries share concern that incidents of antisemitism are steadily rising and agree that IHRA's Member Countries and indeed IHRA's experts need political tools with which to fight this scourge. IHRA's 31 member countries - 24 of which are EU member countries- are committed to the Stockholm Declaration and thereby to fighting the evil of antisemitism through coordinated international political action."

The IHRA Chair continued: "By adopting this working definition, the IHRA is setting an example of responsible conduct for other international fora and hopes to inspire them also to take action on a legally binding working definition.""

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 12:45 PM

Jim,
you are now supporting a film celebrating the death of a child -
No. I am questioning if it did portray that. The photograph supposedly of the child was not recognisable as such, and there is nothing else in the video that suggests anything unpleasant.

Are you saying that Jews in Israel commonly celebrate child murder?

You have blamed the people for the actions of the State in order to absolve the regime.

Of course I have done no such thing. Your lies about me are becoming desperate Jim.

now Keith has made that corner even tighter by blaming the behaviour of Israeli extremists as "groups of Jews, not government officials"

No. That is what you did by posting what purported to be evil behaviour by groups of Jews as a criticism of Israel.
If that was not your intent, why did you post all those links?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 12:54 PM

Steve,

"19.The College of Policing's guidance for UK police forces quotes the EUMC definition in full.36 The Government also endorsed it in a statement by Rt Hon Sir Eric Pickles MP, the UK's Special Envoy for post-Holocaust issues, in March 2016.37 "

"25.We recommend that the IHRA definition, with our additional caveats, should be formally adopted by the UK Government, law enforcement agencies and all political parties, to assist them in determining whether or not an incident or discourse can be regarded as antisemitic."
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmhaff/136/13605.htm

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 01:08 PM

Did he invent Pickle Ball?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 01:22 PM

Questioning something that is headlined and fully described without a semblnce of proof is that you are alone are doing that - you are efending it.
It is hard to imagine that someone who calls himself a "Christian" would defend celebrating the death of a child that has been burned alive in an arson attack
You never cease to amaze Keith
"Are you saying that Jews in Israel commonly celebrate child murder?"
You've asked this once before Keith in an attmpt to smear what I am saying
I am saying, as I said in the first place, that incitement to race hatred, as displayed by your Israeli Ministers, inevitably leads to extreme actions such as this.   
"You have blamed the people for the actions of the State in order to absolve the regime. "
No I didn't - more serious than that - you actually blamed "The Jews"
"No It only shows groups of Jews, not government officials" to be exact"
You never learn about lying in public, do you?
Want it again? - Earwig-O "NO IT ONLY SHOWS GROUPS OF JEWS, NOT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS" TO BE EXACT"
I'll put it up as many time as you deny it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 01:33 PM

Keith, your link actually contradicts what you're saying. Do read it through. College of policing? Do me a favour, will you.

Greg, don't depress yourself by looking into Eric Pickles. He's a big, fat, nasty piece of pretentious Tory slimeball.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 04:16 PM

Jim,
It is hard to imagine that someone who calls himself a "Christian" would defend celebrating the death of a child that has been burned alive in an arson attack.

Your attempts to smear me get wilder and more desperate Jim.
Of course I do not.

When I asked why you posted those links purporting to show Jews engaging in such despicable behaviour, you replied, "They show what is happening in Israel today Keith."

So you think such behaviour typical among Israeli Jews. I say it is not.

as displayed by your Israeli Ministers, inevitably leads to extreme actions such as this.

So if Irish ministers made racist comments, you and your neighbours would indulge in such despicable behaviour?
Of course not, and Jews are no different to you and your neighbours Jim.

"No It only shows groups of Jews, not government officials" to be exact"
You never learn about lying in public, do you?

Those videos you linked to did only show ordinary Jews, not government officials.

Steve,
College of policing? Do me a favour, will you.

Are you questioning its existence?
Read about it here.
http://www.college.police.uk/Pages/Home.aspx

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 04:32 PM

He's a big, fat, nasty piece of pretentious Tory slimeball.

Well, except for the fat (or is he?) that could br Colonel Terribulus.

And except for the Tory (or is he?) that could be Bubo.

Fascinating!

As for The Professor, descriptors fail me.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 02:49 AM

Discussion is not about applying descriptors to other members Greg.
That is personal attack which is supposed not to be allowed here.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 04:12 AM

"Your attempts to smear me get wilder and more desperate Jim."
You have smeared yourself over and over again down the years Kith - wouldn't dream of taking the credit
Over and over again you have denied without proof, statements reported from inside and outside Israel, from Jews and non-Jews, of Israeli Ministers whipping up hatred among the Israeli people - statements that, in a democratic "decent" country would be totally illegal - you has dismissed these reports as "bollocks".
You appeased statements of racist hate by a regime you appear to worship - you continue to do so.
You were given links to two films of mobs of Israeli extremists; one showing a roomful of people gleefully celebrating the burning alive of child victim of an arson attack - you question - without a shred of proof - the validity of that film.
The other film shows a mob of thousands of Israelis in Tel Aviv calling for the Genocide of Arabs in revenge for the killing of a policeman who publicly executed an unarmed suspect - the mob included thugs carrying the slogan, "My honor is loyalty" – the motto of the Nazi SS.
You described this mini Nuremberg Rally as a legitimate way of expressing hatred of Palestinisns
You describe this as a legitimate form of protest against the Palstinians
That is appeasing race hatred and fascism - it is inhuman.
And who do you blame for this - "THE ORDINARY JEWS" - not the fascist hate statements - not the Israeli ministers who made them, but "THE ORDINARY JEWS"   
"Those videos you linked to did only show ordinary Jews, not government officials."
We have had plenty of examples of Governments making extremist statements which have whipped whole populations into hate-filled frenzies
"Of course not, and Jews are no different to you and your neighbours Jim."
How stupid, or how desperate can you get?
Of course demagogues like the Israeli regime are capable of whipping people up into hate filled mobs - what the **** do you think the Holocaust was about - a handful of Nazis secretly following their hobby.
Sadly, they had support from the masses - from Kristalllnacht onwards
This - from the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.
"Propaganda tries to force a doctrine on the whole people... Propaganda works on the general public from the standpoint of an idea and makes them ripe for the victory of this idea." Adolf Hitler wrote these words in his book Mein Kampf (1926), in which he first advocated the use of propaganda to spread the ideals of National Socialism—among them racism, antisemitism, and anti-Bolshevism."
Your repetitious blaming ordinary Jewish people for these displays of hatred, while totally absolving the openly declared hate mongering of leading figures in the Israeli estavblishment confirms that you have no interest in or regard for the Jewish People - your total support is for an extremist right wing regime who describes Jews who oppose its policies as - evidence enough of the antisemitic nature of that regime, and of your own antisemitism.
In these two threads you have managed to show yourself as you really are and drag your two mates down with you - not a bad two threads work Keith - well done.
"Those videos you linked to did only show ordinary Jews, not government officials."
- must write that one down - definitely one for your C.V. - to be made use of in the future.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 04:15 AM

"That is personal attack which is supposed not to be allowed here."
That has never stopped you Keith
Stop whingeing about something you do regularly
Respectfully yours
Your ignoramus, no-nothing- leftie - gullible Muppet]

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 05:19 AM

"So if Irish ministers made racist comments, you and your neighbours would indulge in such despicable behaviour?"
HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 05:40 AM

Jim,
You were given links to two films of mobs of Israeli extremists; one showing a roomful of people gleefully celebrating the burning alive of child victim of an arson attack - you question - without a shred of proof - the validity of that film.

The video was of a wedding party.
We a told that a photo of a dead child was being held up and abused.
If it was then the persons doing it were behaving despicably, but they were not government officials.
Also, it was impossible to discern what the picture was of.
To my eyes the subject appeared to be bearded, but it was litlle more than a blur. That is why I question the validity.
Here it is, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3373035/Shocking-footage-Jewish-wedding-shows-guests-celebrating-death-Palestinian-baby-burned-alive-arson-attack.html

Anyway it was just ordinary Jews behaving despicably, if they were, so what was your point?
Are you claiming it as typical behaviour of Jews in Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 05:48 AM

Jim again,
"That is personal attack which is supposed not to be allowed here."
That has never stopped you Keith

Yes it has. I do not resort to personal abuse.
Some years ago, I did call someone a muppet, but that is not even abusive.
They are loveable puppets, and I sometimes call my grand kids muppets when we are being silly.
I have never called anyone an ignoramus, and I doubt "no nothing leftie."

"So if Irish ministers made racist comments, you and your neighbours would indulge in such despicable behaviour?"
HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET

The whole quote,
"So if Irish ministers made racist comments, you and your neighbours would indulge in such despicable behaviour?
Of course not, and Jews are no different to you and your neighbours Jim."

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 06:14 AM

"Of course not, and Jews are no different to you and your neighbours Jim."
DON'T BE STUPID
DON'T BE STUPID
DON'T BE STUPID
And you still absolve hate ministers by blaming Jews
"Anyway it was just ordinary Jews behaving despicably, if they were, so what was your point?"
My point Keith, is this despicable behaviour has been sanctioned by at least 4 Isaeli ministers - including a Rabbi - and you claim their rhetoric has no effect sand blame "THE JEWS
How antisemitic can you get?
Jim Carroll

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies, not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. " ... we should prepare to go over to the offensive with the aim of smashing Lebanon, Trans-jordan and Syria... The weak point in the Arab coalition is Lebanon [for] the Moslem regime is artificial and easy to undermine. A Christian state should be established... When we smash the [Arab] Legions strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan, too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo." " David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).

27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920)

28. "Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982

29. "Tell me, do the evil men of this world have a bad time? They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They don't suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that club. Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear us instead of feeling sorry. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear our madness instead of admiring our nobility. Let them tremble; let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a savage country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go wild, that we might start World War Three just like that, or that we might one day go crazy and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East. Even if you'll prove to me that the present war is a dirty immoral war, I don't care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more. And do you know why it is all worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more unpopular among the civilized world.We'll hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish morality. No more talk about a unique people being a light upon the nations. No more uniqueness and no more sweetness and light. Good riddance." --Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon

30. "The Modern Age is the Jewish Age, and the twentieth century, in particular, is the Jewish Century." -Yuri Slezkine, Professor of History at University of California, Berkeley, "The Jewish Century"; Princeton University Press

31. "What shocks and worries me is the narrow-mindedness and the shortsightedness of our military leaders. They seem to presume that the State of Israel may or even must-behave in the realm of international relations according to the laws of the jungle- -the long chain of false incidents and hostilities we have invented, and so many clashes we have provoked;" - From Diary of Moshe Sharett, former Primer Minister of Israel in Livia Rokach, Israel's Sacred Terrorism published 980

32. Hebrew essayist Achad Ha-Am, after paying a visit to Palestine in 1891: "Abroad we are accustomed to believe that Israel is almost empty; nothing is grown here and that whoever wishes to buy land could come here and buy what his heart desires. In reality, the situation is not like this. Throughout the country it is difficult to find cultivable land which is not already cultivated."

33. The Balfour Declaration to Baron Rothchild, on the 2nd of November, 1917: "His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

34. Lord Sydenham, Hansard, House of Lords, 21 June 1922: "If we are going to admit claims on conquest thousands of years ago, the whole world will have to be turned upside down."

35. Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923: "Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs..."

36. Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder of Revisionist Zionism (precursor of Likud), The Iron Wall, 1923: "A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!... Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important... to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through with playing at colonizing."

37. David Ben Gurion, future Prime Minister of Israel, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985: "We must expel Arabs and take their places."

38. Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department in 1940. From "A Solution to the Refugee Problem": "Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left."

39. Israeli official Arthur Lourie in a letter to Walter Eytan, director general of the Israeli Foreign Ministry (ISA FM 2564/22). From Benny Morris, "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem 1947-49", p. 297: "...if people become accustomed to the large figure and we are actually obliged to accept the return of the refugees, we may find it difficult, when faced with hordes of claimants, to convince the world that not all of these formerly lived in Israeli territory. It would, in any event, seem desirable to minimize the numbers...than otherwise."

40. David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben- Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978: "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."

41. David Ben-Gurion, one of the father founders of Israel, described Zionist aims in 1948: "A Christian state should be established [in Lebanon], with its southern border on the Litani river. We will make an alliance with it. When we smash the Arab Legion's strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo... And in this fashion, we will end the war and settle our forefathers' account with Egypt, Assyria, and Aram"

42. [Begin, and Yitzhak Shamir who were members of the party became Prime Ministers.] Albert Einstein, Hanna Arendt and other prominent Jewish Americans, writing in The New York Times, protest the visit to America of Menachem Begin, December 1948: "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our time is the emergence in the newly created State of Israel of the Freedom Party (Herut), a political party closely akin in its organization, method, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties."

43. Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Arab refugees in March 1949. "We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora."

44. Moshe Dayan (Israel Defense and Foreign Minister), on February 12 1952. Radio "Israel.": "It lies upon the people's shoulders to prepare for the war, but it lies upon the Israeli army to carry out the fight with the ultimate object of erecting the Israeli Empire."

45. Martin Buber, to a New York audience, Jewish Newsletter, June 2, 1958: "When we [followers of the prophetic Judaism] returned to Palestine...the majority of Jewish people preferred to learn from Hitler rather than from us."

46. Aba Eban (the Israeli Foreign Minister) stated arrogantly. New York Times June 19, 1967: "If the General Assembly were to vote by 121 votes to 1 in favor of "Israel" returning to the armistice lines-- (pre June 1967 borders) "Israel" would refuse to comply with the decision."

47. Dr. Israel Shahak, Chairperson of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, and a survivor of the Bergen Belsen concentration camp, Commenting on the Israeli military's Emergency Regulations following the 1967 War. Palestine, vol. 12, December 1983: "Hitler's legal power was based upon the 'Enabling Act', which was passed quite legally by the Reichstag and which allowed the Fuehrer and his representatives, in plain language, to be what they wanted, or in legal language, to issue regulations having the force of law. Exactly the same type of act was passed by the Knesset [Israeli's Parliament] immediately after the 1067 conquest granting the Israeli governor and his representatives the power of Hitler, which they use in Hitlerian manner."

48. Joseph Weitz, Director of the Jewish National Fund, the Zionist agency charged with acquiring Palestinian land, Circa 194. Machover Israca, January 5, 1973 /p.2: "The only solution is Eretz Israel [Greater Israel], or at least Western Eretz Israel [all the land west of Jordan River], without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point ... We must not leave a single village, not a single tribe."

49. Israeli Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, Inferring that killing isn't murder if the victim is Gentile. Jerusalem Post, June 19,1989: "Jewish blood and a goy's [gentile's] blood are not the same."

50. Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, tells students at Bar Ilan University, From the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989: "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."

51. Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service: "The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the Jordan River for future generations, for the mass aliya [immigration], and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."

52. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000: "If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."

53. Ben Gurion: In 1899, Davis Triestsch wrote to Herzl: " I would suggest to you to come round in time to the "Greater Palestine" program before it is too late... the Basle program must contain the words "Great Palestine" or "Palestine and its neighboring lands" otherwise it's nonsense. You do not get ten million Jews into a land of 25,000 Km2". " The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill -- From the Nile to the Euphrates."

54. Vladimir Jabotinsky (the founder and advocate of the Zionist terrorist organizations), Quoted by Maxime Rodinson in Peuple Juif ou Problem Juif. (Jewish People or Jewish Problem): "Has any People ever been seen to give up their territory of their own free will? In the same way, the Arabs of Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence."


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Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: bobad
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 06:58 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 08:14 AM

Then you take each accuation put up and show it isn't true Bobad - when you put up your marathon Islamophobic site you took it from a fascist site and made the same demand.
I started to gather quotes from Israeli leaders and found many were included on this sit - so why take the time?
Not a site I would normally chooose, but there is nothing wrong with the information - unless of course, you can prove otherwise
Some more sites to check
Jim Carroll

AUSTRALIAN LIBERAL POLITICIAN

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 08:41 AM

First ten checked
"There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies, not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
http://www.azquotes.com/quote/771022

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Keeping-a-crocodile-360131

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OR2Hu5WSwI

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
http://www.azquotes.com/quote/595632

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4034765.stm

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/12/opinion/l-what-golda-meir-said-about-palestinians-766493.html

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the-thesis-that-the-danger-of-genocide-was/989553.html

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
Too wll known to bother

10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."
http://londonprogressivejournal.com/article/view/2342
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 09:34 AM

Next time we hear from this lot, Jim, about Hamas's unhelpful (to say the least) rhetoric about wiping Israel off the map, etc., we could just remind them of this torrent of intemperate bollocks from the people who truly HAVE put Jewish people in harm's way - the true antisemites.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 09:52 AM

FREEDOM of SPEECH in ISRAEL
"Next time we hear from this lot,"
I'm sure they'll be back, but don't expect a response to any of this!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 03:25 PM

And you still absolve hate ministers by blaming Jews

I do not not, and never have. Another desperate attempt to smear.
It was you who started posting links intendd to vilify ordinary Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 03:29 PM

Jim, I restrict myself to linking to media organs that normal people have heard of.
Why don't you?
Is it because there is no anti-Israel propaganda there, so you have to trawl the hate sites?
If you do that, do not expect to be taken seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 10:42 AM

Jim, I think you should tell us why you post videos intended to demonize ordinary Jews, and why you so frequently use non-mainstream sites to find anti-Israel propaganda.

Subject: RE: BS: What does an 'anti-semitite do?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 04:27 PM

An anti-Semites post here on Mudcat
An anti Semite holds itself superior.
An Anti Semite has never learned the lessons of WW II.
An anti-Semite takes pride in their unspeakable but actionable hate.


"I distinguish most carefully between good Jews and bad Jews.
In all countries Jews are in the minority. But a powerful minority in their influence, a minority endowed with aggressors and an initiative.
This is attributable to the fact that Jews due to their native abilities have risen to such high places in print, radio, TV, film and in finance. Perhaps this execution is only the incidental last straw which has broken the backs of this generation's patience"

That was 95 year old anti Semitism.

Many of "your" posts are mere "fresh" versions.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: bobad
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 06:45 PM

Thank you, Donuel, for your acknowledgement of what's going on in this thread. I wish more Mudcatters would lend their voice to recognizing and condemning the obvious and odious nature of the "fresh" versions of anti-Semitism that is on display herein.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 06:55 PM

Bubo, you don't have a frickin CLUE what's going on in this thread other than you spewing your usual vomit.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 07:07 PM

Donuel recoils from saying who he's talking about.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 07:29 PM

edit
Anti Semites post here on Mudcat
An anti Semite holds itself superior.
An Anti Semite has never learned the lessons of WW II.
An anti-Semite takes pride in their unspeakable but actionable hate.


"I distinguish most carefully between good Jews and bad Jews.
In all countries Jews are in the minority. But a powerful minority in their influence, a minority endowed with aggressors and an initiative.
This is attributable to the fact that Jews due to their native abilities have risen to such high places in print, radio, TV, film and in finance. Perhaps this execution is only the incidental last straw which has broken the backs of this generation's patience"

Radio Broadcast of Father Coughflin

That was 95 year old anti Semitism.

Many of "your" posts are mere "fresh" versions.




I know precisely who leans on this hate, who harbors this hate, and who is the embodiment of this feeble attention loving hate. I even know who needs to be reported and to whom. Despite this, Human communication must remain open.

For those who persist in defaming themselves, name themselves even with links. Common sense Mudcat decorum advises a listing of names, albeit surprising, is unnecessary.