BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate

Subject: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Arnie
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 05:57 PM

Honestly, the Royal family must think the British public are a bunch of suckers. The story so far - Princess Anne's Staffordshire bull-terrier Lottie savages one of the Queen's corgis at Sandringham so badly that the poor dog is put down. Now Lottie has already attacked two kids in the park recently and the magistrate hearing that case said that Lottie should be put down if he attacked again. So for a week over Christmas the RSPCA and others are all clamouring for Lottie to be put down. Then surprise surprise!! After a week of saying nothing, the Royals put out a press release informing us that it was not Lottie that killed the corgi after all - it was one of Princess Anne's other Staffs that had not previously attacked anyone or anything. So Lottie now gets a reprieve. Obviously Princess Anne had difficulty recognising the dog that attacked the corgi and so it was just a case of mistaken identity after all - yeah right!! You'd think after the Paul Burrell affair they would have learned something about telling the truth in order to avoid embarassing revelations later, but obviously not.......

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Joybell
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 06:15 PM

They told us it was DOTTIE (?Dotty maybe) here on the ABC. Maybe they are all called names like Lottie, Dottie, Pottie, Hottie etc. so as to sew confusion in the minds of witnesses. Poor old Corgi. I forget the name but they did tell us.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Nemesis
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 06:32 PM

Apparently the Queen has called in an independent witness (?)

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 06:35 PM

Poor Corgi.....

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Joybell
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 07:05 PM

An independent witness? A horse? A Corgi? A Staffordshire Bull-terrier?

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 07:08 PM

OK, which is it? A Staffordshire Terrier or a Bull Terrier?? Different breeds....Bull Terriers have Barbara Streisand noses....

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 07:22 PM

Pretty rough to have a favourite pet killed by your daughter's dog, for anyone. Not a good start for a family Christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 07:37 PM

The dog is called Dotty, it was indeed involved in an altercation earlier this year, with two boys, although there was never any evidence that the dog was not provoked in the way that small boys do with any four legged creature.

Regardless of that, had it been any other persons' dog, it would have been destroyed the next day.

It's the way that the press announced it as Dotty 'murdered' the corgi (nasty yappy things in my experience) that got me peeved.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST,Sian
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 08:18 PM

Update all things dog.......Now ITN are reporting that the terrier that killed the corgi was called FLORENCE.

Yesterday however FLORENCE, not understanding the two strikes and you're out rule, bit a Royal maid at Sandringham and a doc was called...no comment has been issued re putting FLORENCE down, but they have hinted she will be sent on "behavioural training"???

Don't you just love 'em?

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 08:31 PM

Will there be DNA testing?

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 08:52 PM

The case is simple.

If Dotty was guilty of both crimes Anne has one dangerous dog. If that is not the case an another dog was the attacker, Anne has 2 dangerous dogs...

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 08:53 PM

LIZ!! YOU INVOKE MY WRATH!!! Corgis are the nicest, sweetest, most perfect dogz in the world!! Honestly, I have never, ever met a biter or agressive Corgi and I have met hundreds....


Sorcha, the Corgi Mom.....

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST,Sian
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:01 PM

There have been 3 dog crimes only:

A. Two kids attacked in Windsor Great Park.
B. Queen's corgi killed.
C. Royal maid bit on knee.

Lottie we know did the first,had she also done the second she would be put down.
So, suddenly they report that the second attack was actually done by Florence.
So both dogs have one offence apiece, and neither get put down.

However, Florence, obviously having no sense of timing, went and sunk her gnashers into Royal Maidy yesterday...
So Florence now has two convictions, and Lottie only the one.
Which is technically a dangerous dog, and half a dangerous dog.
Like someone pointed out above, had these dogs been owned by mere mortals, they would be far removed from this mortal coil by now.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:02 PM

I think that at least one other dog should be named Bess. Think of the headlines!

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:29 PM

Good one, Bruce! Well, IF the news can be relied upon (Dotty, Lotty, Florence...etc) Anne's dogs are Bull Terriers, NOT Staffordshire Terriers....and, I can't tell if the Corgi or the Maid was the first injured, or if it was the same dog.....I DO have to disagree that Corgis are agressive...yes, they are 'feisty'...they are herding dogs. That is what is expected of them. AND, terriers in general are pretty scrappy....that is what is expected of them....In the US at least, a LOT of terrier show judges will check for 'scrappiness' before selecting a winner.....

Since Bull Terriers were bred for scrapping with bulls, what do you expect? I expect that any terrier owner (bull or otherwise) will keep the dog/s under control at all times...whether voice or manual...my dogs are under control....but, then, I am the Alpha Bitch around here.....going to look for pics of Bull and Staff Terriers...will post link. NOT same...

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:32 PM

Actually there's no automatic two strikes and you are dead law in existence - and if the victim is a dog, and the owners don't make a formal complaint the law doesn't get involved. Whether those involved involved are royal or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:40 PM

Pics...and breed descriptions....if you want to bother...
Bull Terrier
Ok,ok, it IS a Staff Bull, but different from a Bull Terrier..Staffordshire
And, just for the sake of completeness, the American Staffordshire Terrier..Am Staff
Now, the question is, which breed are Anne's dogs?
(I know, I know, only a Dog Person would care...)

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Joybell
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:41 PM

What was the maid doing to expose her knee? Of course the maids' advice goes "Never let a sailor lad an inch above your knee" no mention of dogs as far as we know, and of course it was ON the knee and not an inch above.
Does anyone know the name of the poor dead corgi? Regardless of which dog started the whole thing the corgi was killed, and it was the one that was at its home.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:46 PM

And, just for the sake of completeness. Pembroke Welsh Corgi which is what the Queen has...

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:49 PM

Corgi's name was Pharos.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST,Sian
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:52 PM

CNN is just calling them "bull terriers", which isn't much help I think, but they showed photos of them, and not being a terrier spotter I can only say that they look like the dog owned by Bill Sykes in Oliver...Any help?

The corgi was killed about a week before the maid was bitten.

There is no law re two strikes and you are out, but the RSPCA, of which the Queen is the patron, has said that it is standard practice for dogs to be put to sleep after two attacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:57 PM

Again, Bull Terrier I've met a lot of them, including Miniature Bull Terriers. NOT ONE was 'overly agressive' if you read the Terrier standards....but, they MUST be controlled. Even the cute little terriers like Yorkshires...they ARE Terriers, after all. Anne must be an idiot....just my take on it. Owners are ALWAYS responsible for their dogs. Even the Princess and the Queen. If a dog shows this kind of behaviour often, it should be kenneled or put down. Been there, done that....I have NO sympathy for anyone but the Corgi Pharos. What a horrible way to die....

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Joybell
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 10:02 PM

Poor Pharos. Thanks Sorcha. Quite right too. Poor dogs all of them. with such irresponsible owners.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Gypsy
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 10:39 PM

Don't call em 'terrors' for nuthin. Terriers need a job, and training. They like to be busy. Anne was a fool for allowing this to happen. Poor corgi...........neat little dogs they are.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 10:46 PM

How is this news in any way???

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 10:55 PM

Still trying to get my head round this...

Back in the 70s - must have been as we lived in Speldhurst nr Tunbridge Wells at the time... A kid walked in UNIVITED into our our house and Portia, our by then about 16 yr old lab/retreiver cross managed to get up and nip only enough to bruise the kid's bum.

My parents got cautioned over this and warned about keeping a dangerous dog and the rest of the riot act... a dog so old and unwell would be put down if ever she tried to defend our house from what was effectively an intruder.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 06:47 AM

All corgies should be killed immeadiately, fecking useless stupid dogs.
Love, eric

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 08:11 AM

Today's papers carry the Canis horribilis story and also a story about a 50 foot record python caught in Indonesia that is fed on a dog every three or four days.... Is it only me who sees a possible solution to both problems here?

RtS
(Running and hiding in the dog house)

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: C-flat
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 08:38 AM

I see the purpose of having a "three strikes" policy on domestic pets as being aimed at the owner. There can be many circumstances in which a family pet attacks and it is up to the owner to ensure it doesn't happen. It would appear that Princess Anne is not a responsible owner and shouldn't have dogs.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST,Sian
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 08:51 AM

Quite agree,she should be banned from keeping a dog for life.

But....it ain't going to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 09:11 AM

Florence is innocent! She is clearly taking the rap for Dotty(?) Under what circumstanceswas evidence extracted? I think we should be told.

This cover up will not work. they never do and in the end the cover up will be worst tan the original crime.

Sorry, I can't help this........ have the Police got a feash lead?

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 09:12 AM

Ok, I met fresh.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST,Sian
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 09:14 AM

There's an inquest pencilled in for 2009, but the findings have already been written, and the person holding the lead was under the influence.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 09:26 AM

Surely if someone really got their teeth into this the culprit would soon be found......... and why are so many big dogs called Prince .   no coincendence of you ask me.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST,Sian
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 09:49 AM

And why don't they keep King Charles Spaniels?

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Cluin
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 10:06 AM

Because that will never happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 10:17 AM

For those who know the other meaning of'Spaniels' it will be obvious that Princess Dianna did infact keep King Charles 'Spaniels' and look what happened to her.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 10:48 AM

If it's a Bull, it oughtta be Bullgate not Corgigate.

If it's a Staff, and it's like Am Staffs, that's the foundation for Pit Bulls. Knew a family of Am Staffs once, sweet dogs.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 11:42 AM

It shows a bloody awful set of priorities when the attaack on the corgi gets a bigger press than the attack on a child. Dangerous dogs must be put down - at once.



(Name withheld because of the real risk of physical attack from so called animal lovers)

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 11:51 AM

Susan, the dogs in question are English Bull Terriors.

As for nice ones... When I went out with someone who bread bulldogs and these creatures, she used to say "there is no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners". I don't agree as I think there can also be rogue dogs. Either way, some dogs will turn and you would not want to get into a fight with one of these...

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 12:45 PM

In the interest of harmony between our two great nations and from heartfelt condolences to the Queen, I would like to offer her majesty her majesty's pick of our next litter from our pair of Corgis. Voodoo (Mama's Bayou Voodoo Lady) a tri-color and Sparky (Errin's Little Man Sparky) a golden (forgot the official term for his coloring). One word of warning though. Should Her Majesty select a female and should it turn out like Voodoo, Her Majesty may find herself outranked in her own castle. This is a sincere offer from a corgi owner who would probably fall apart should the same thing happen to one of mine.

Peace and Happy New Years

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 01:34 PM

I suspect running dogs of the establishment of contributing to this thread whilst seeking to remain anonymous!

Brenda (Madge Windsor) et all have a track record on cover ups. Who started that fire at Windsor Castle?

A dog?

I bet it was.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Joybell
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 05:21 PM

Re name-withholding guest's remark - Please let's not get into another fight about whether children are better loved than dogs. I've always thought that Red Herrings were better loved than either. In fact better loved than almost anything when it comes to outrage!

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Peace
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 07:43 PM

I agree with GUEST above: Any unprovoked attack by an animal on a person has one result: the dog (etc) goes to the dump. I actually did that to a dog that growled at my daughter when she was still a toddler. No argument from me on that, GUEST. However, I'm using my name because real animal lovers will recognize that I'm an animal, too. BM

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Joybell
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 10:22 PM

I don't mean to make light of the whole thing but I couldn't help myself.

On the Killing of Her Majesty's Corgi,Pharos,
         by Princess Anne's Terrier, Dotty

It came upon the Christmas time in the last days of the year
The Queen she wrote her happy speech to bring her subjects cheer
And all the while, her darling Prince, he nibbled on her ear
Sing hey for the merry, ho for the merry, hey for the merry Old Dear

There beside her on the floor, her sleek grey hounds they lay
No matter that they were not hounds, just take that as you may
Of course they were but Corgis fat, who bark but cannot bay.
Sing hey for the merry, ho for the merry, hey for the merry and gay

Just then, upon the midday bright, there came a fearful yell.
Princess Anne, she ran inside, a bat right out of Hell.
"Oh, Mother, dear, I bring sad news! The truth to you I'll tell."
Sing hey for the merry, ho for the merry, hey for the merry Blue Belle

The Queen, she sat herself upright, all in her high hall chair.
"What is it, Child, that ails Thee so? To guess I do not dare."
"Come hie us quick to yon courtyard, for a sight too stern to bear."
Sing hey for the merry, ho for the merry, hey for the merry and fair

Red blood it stained the welcome mat, a sorry sight to see.
"Anne, your dog has done for mine. Pray tell how that can be!
A sorry case of Dog Eat Dog, my dear, it seems to me."
Sing hey for the merry, ho for the merry, hey for the merry and free

Naughty naughty Dotty Dog, to maul your canine host
Especially since he was the one the Queen she favoured most!
Poor Pharos, now he's gone to Dog/God -- a hairy Corgi ghost
Sing hey for the merry, ho for the merry, hey for the merry and most

                   a little piece of Doggerel, by Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 09:20 AM

Joybell, thanks for bringing amusment and cheer on a day on which many of us feel dog-rough.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST,Van
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 10:49 AM

Headline - Anne's dog bites corgi. Later on we hear it also bit a servant. Strange priorities. The pair of them Anne and her maj should be banned from owning animals - and humans. It would save the taxpayer a few bob. As they both enjoy killing animals for fun why so sad over one little dog? They hunt foxes don't they, when the queen's racehorses break the odd leg she doesn't bat an eyelid when they're shot, a year or two back we had a shot of her maj's approach to dealing with a wounded pheasant (she didn't call the vet or Rolf Harris) - confine the buggers to history and get rid of these news stories.

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 10:55 AM

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Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Joybell
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 05:06 PM

Les, A Bit of the Hair of the Dog helps. Better than a Bit of the Tooth of the Dog anyway. Thank you for the complement. Took me the better part of the morning. Should have been doing other things. Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Royals involved in Corgi-gate
From: Blackcatter
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 05:18 PM

simple - put down the owner.