BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 02:29 AM

Hi, Susan (WYSIWYG): I see your point. Riginslinger's posts since my last visit to this thread have been absolutely nonsensical, to the point of being trollish. I'll try not to feed him in future.

Sharon

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 02:50 AM

That's gotta sting, eh, Rig?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 02:55 AM

Those who are troubled by the lack of "liberal" radio commentary in the USA should move to Canada. ;-) We have a great deal of radio commentary here that would strike the average American conservative as shockingly liberal.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 04:02 AM

This is a must-see -- it's too funny!!! Conservatives will disagree with me, as if I cared. :-D :-D :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 07:37 AM

Very good. What is the German-language soundtrack really saying?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 08:14 AM

So Doug R does not like Sarah's treatment by some of us here. Surprise, surprise.

OK Doug:   exactly which of our comments can compare with her constant theme of declaring only her supporters to be "real Americans", or strongly implying, if not spelling out, that Obama supports terrorists?   Both of these can and have stimulated some of her supporters to advocate violence against her opponents.

Let's have direct quotes, please, from Ebbie's list or other sources.

I wonder how much patience we'll need to get an answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 08:15 AM

"That's gotta sting, eh, Rig?"

          Not really! Susan is hopelessly addicted to the ancient superstition of Christianity, and therefore incapable of rationial thought. She gets converts where she can get them.

          It is a little uncomfortable defending Sarah Palin, because I disagree politically with almost everything she stands for, but the attacks on her are the most childish and irrational of anything I've ever seen.
          They attack Dick Cheney and Carl Rove this way, but not as viciously and they actually did things that affected the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 08:24 AM

Original German:   It's from "Untergang".   Hitler tells his staff how he plans to defend Berlin. One of them tells him his plan won't work and why.   He tells most to leave the room, then explodes at the remaining generals, ranting that all who won't carry out his plans are traitors, losers, etc. He says he will never leave Berlin--"if you think that.....". Towards the end he says the war is lost.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 08:35 AM

Specific quotes: "Es bleiben in Raum:   Keitel, Jodl" (and 2 others)-- "The following are to remain in the room." "Mit ihr eigenen Blut werden sie bezahlen"--With their own blood they will pay".   'Der Krieg is verloren" -- The war is lost.   

And a lot more ranting.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 08:56 AM

...Dick Cheney and Carl Rove... actually did things that affected the country.

It's not that Palin actually did anything; it's the fear that, if elected to high office, she would do something.

I personally know a number of conservatives, my own parents included, who found the idea of Palin being a John McCain heart attack away from the Presidency to be sufficient reason to vote for Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 09:19 AM

Susan is hopelessly addicted to the ancient superstition of Christianity, and therefore incapable of rationial thought. She gets converts where she can get them.

If that's not a trolling post, I don't know what is. Riginslinger's "attacks on her [and on me as a 'convert'] are the most childish and irrational of anything" that I have seen here. Riginslinger should take the log out of his own eye.

That is as far as I'm willing to take his bait. Hope that wasn't too big a snack for the troll.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 10:38 AM

Sharon - I you aren't careful I'll employ my troll powers and you'll wake up in the morning looking like Henry Waxman.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 11:05 AM

Ah, Rig, there ya go making broad assumptions again (i.e. assumptios about this broad). First you assume I'm a convert to Christianity (quite the opposite, in fact), and now you assume that I don't already look like Henry Waxman. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 11:25 AM

Thank you Ron. I could hear it was not a la subtitles, but could not get enough to follow the rest...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: pdq
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 11:37 AM

Henry Waxman should be put on display at Madame Trousseau's.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 11:52 AM

Ay, la vida loca!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 11:57 AM

Rig:

Your assertions about the right and left are verging on the unhinged; you don't live anywhere near Steve Jobs, do you? I understand he has a strong "reality-distortion field".


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 12:23 PM

I agree that Henry Waxman is not a handsome man. Perhaps that is why he has tried so hard and for so many years to make a difference for his country. What's your excuse? ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 12:43 PM

"What's your excuse? ;)"

             What can I say, I'm a handsome man :-)


   "...you don't live anywhere near Steve Jobs, do you?"

         No, but we think alike. The difference is, he has money.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 12:45 PM

Maybe she just wants to be a mom.

That's a negative comment?   What a strange world we live in...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Alice
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 12:53 PM

From the Associated Press, this article from Alaskan's point of view:

CLICK HERE


"...But to many Alaskans, Palin has been off the job for awhile already, acting as a disengaged presence around the state Capitol since she returned from the presidential campaign trail last year..."

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: pdq
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 01:14 PM

Having a negative opinion of a politician is perfectly normal.

Expressing a negative opinion about a public figure is perfectly legal.

Conducting a political lynching like 6 federal lawyers did in the rigged trial of Ted Stevens is illegal. These people should do serious prison time.

Using the IRS to scare politicians and public figures is illegal. While Clinton was president, 80% of the Top 100 "conservative talk show hosts" were audited by the IRS at the request of Bill Clinton.

When Bill O'Reilly was audited for the fourth consecutive year, he "called-out" Bill Clinton personally. Clinton cancelled the fourth audit.

We are not talking about a few negative words aimed at Sarah Palin, we are taling about trumped-up criminal charges being leveled 15 times forcing a good person and her husband to spend 1/2 million dollars to defend themselves.

I'm not saying that Sarah Palin is "the best or the brightest". I am saying that "the best and the brightest" do not go into politics anymore because they will face relentless harassment and character assasination like Newt Gingroch, Sarah Palin, Tom DeLay, Tom Ridge, Don Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft did.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: curmudgeon
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 01:18 PM

Some documentation for your assertions, PDQ, please.

Thanks - Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 01:39 PM

Newt Gingroch, Sarah Palin, Tom DeLay, Tom Ridge, Don Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft

These are your idea of the best and brightest? Dear me. Shouldn't you have included Karl Rove, and Heckuvajob Brownie?

This merely confirms my assessment, earlier, that your sense of logical analysis is wanting in depth.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 02:27 PM

Pdq never said that Newt Gingroch, Sarah Palin, Tom DeLay, Tom Ridge, Don Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft were among the best and the brightest, Amos. That was your extrapolation of what he said. What he said was that the best and the brightest among us wouldn't want to go into politics these days because they would fear being targeted in a similar fashion as has happened to many contemporary politicians, and they wouldn't feel it was worth it.

I think he's right...in general. Many fine and exceptional people who might make great leaders just don't want to face the astonishing bullshit and hostility of contemporay politics and have their lives ruined by it.

Barack Obama is one of the best and the brightest who has dared face the vicious nature of today's politics...and so far he is standing up well to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 02:34 PM

Well, I apologize for over-extrapolating and place my acidic comment back in the ready-room for later deployment if needed.

It needs no pointing out that everyone from Washington and Lincoln on up in the history of prominent American politicians has been berated and bedeviled and defamed by critics. FDR was thought by some capitalists to be the devil incarnate and the anti-Christ, Lincoln and Washington were both pathetic losers in their respective wars until they won, and Clinton has been reviled despite his successes because (mostly) the Republicans despised him from themoment he denied Bush I his second term.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 03:22 PM

Yeah, it's a heartless business.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 04:37 PM

shees... Your assessment of what pdq meant, Little Hawk, won't wash. He most certainly, imo, was listing them under 'best and brightest'. Parse the sentence and you will see it.

"I am saying that the best and the brightest do not go into politics anymore because they will face relentless harassment and character assasination like Newt Gingroch, Sarah Palin, Tom DeLay, Tom Ridge, Don Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft did." pdq

I am saying that the best and the brightest like Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Tom DeLay, Tom Ridge, Don Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft do not go into politics anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 04:48 PM

Here's a piece by the Daily Telegraph's US editor, based in Washington - Sarah Palin: the Empress has no clothes.

"...I've previously recognised Palin's qualities, highlighted the attacks on her and repeatedly given her the benefit of the doubt. But there comes a time when we all have to face reality..." (And the Daily Telegraph is very much a Conservative paper.)

The political culture of vicious personal attacks can be entertaining, but it is unpleasant and destructive, and we'd all be better it it could be curbed. But politicians who have wholeheartedly and ruthlessly played the game that way - and Sarah Palin appears to fit that bill - have little right to complain when they find themselves getting the same treatment.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 04:55 PM

It depends on how you parse the sentence, Ebbie. He may have meant it the way you interpret it, he may not have. I'm not sure. What I think, though, was that Amos leaped on the chance to interpret it that way...because that would be a fun and handy way to go after pdq...but he ignored the really important point that pdq made...and it's a very valid point: that politics has become such an ugly business that many of the best and brightest in society don't want to even get involved in it.

That's the important matter in what pdq said. It basically doesn't matter whether or not we think that Newt Gingrich or Tom De Lay are or are not among the "best and brightest". It does matter that people's partisanship is turning them into full time character assassins who have an unholy and perverse delight in personally attacking anyone on the other side of the partisan divide.

And it is that which poisons ALL the political threads on this forum.

That matters.

People can do better than this, don't you think? And I mean each one of us here when I say "people".

I also think some of the attacks on Sarah Palin here are just downright childish and quite inappropriate...and keep in mind, I have NO liking for Sarah's political stance whatsoever...but I don't like to see the total lack of respect for other people that is so evident on both the Right and the Left in all these discussions.

It seems pretty shameful going both ways to me.

So Amos wants to prove that pdq's logical analysis is "wanting in depth". What will happen if Amos succeeds? Will pdq be crushed in spirit and go off to live in a monastery? Will he cower, crying, in a corner? Or will he experience a change of heart, convert to fashionable liberalism and join the enlightened ranks that Amos regards as those who will save America...the people truly worthy of respect and acceptance here on Mudcat Cafe? Ohhhhh...the suspense!

(yawn....) Pass me a grape, would you?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 04:57 PM

Ebbie:

Strictly speaking, the people in PDQ's list were objects of the verb phrase "to face...harassment and character assasination...". Therefore LH is technically correct, although it is reasonable to construe his intention as including them as examples of the "best and brightest" noun clause which is the subject of the sentence. It is made even easier to so construe the sentence by PDQ's mistaken use of "like" for "as".


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 05:08 PM

Anyone who describes herself as a "pitbull with lipstick" is surely committing herself to an attack dog style of political discourse, and implicitly encouraging supporters to wage politics that way. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Maybe that style is on the way out. It certainly doesn't seem to be Obama's.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 05:12 PM

It's possible either way, Amos. What I'm thinking, though, is that your immediate instinct was to find something to criticize pdq personally for...criticize his intelligence. And that's not really worthwhile. What's worthwhile is taking a look at how ugly partisan divisiveness has become, and how badly that damages the political process.

Obama's been complaining about it ever since he began campaigning, and with good reason. It obfuscates useful communication. I love that man because he takes the high road. He discusses ideas rather than attacking individuals. Wow. Revolutionary! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: DougR
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 05:33 PM

Ron; Don't hold your breath.

SharonA: I think that little show starring Hitler is damned clever. One can recognize the talent required to produce such "show" without endorsing the message.

In the event that criminal charges are not brought against Sara Palin, (and according to reports from the FBI I have heard she will not)a lot of folks here are going to have a lot of egg on their faces.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: pdq
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 05:40 PM

My post of...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: pdq - PM
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 01:14 PM

is still there and says..


I'm not saying that Sarah Palin is "the best or the brightest". I am saying that "the best and the brightest" do not go into politics anymore because they will face relentless harassment and character assasination like Newt Gingroch, Sarah Palin, Tom DeLay, Tom Ridge, Don Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft did.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 05:42 PM

Dammit, LH, you are showing your own bias. I have already withdrawn my acidic remark at PDQ, and furthermore submit it was provoked by his assertions without referent or detail. You are showing your own dueling scars in your haste to accuse me of being over-zealous. Mroowwwwr!



A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 05:46 PM

So, PDQ, lets try that again.

You do support torturing prisoners don't you?

So prosecutors who break the rules (you think) deserve to go to jail, while prison guards and commanders who break the rules should go free?

You think?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Alice
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 06:29 PM

More about the IQuitarod....

'Even Fox News has started to turn on Sarah Palin. In the midst of a segment about the Alaska Governor's battle against "liberal" attacks, Liz Trotta went off-message.

Frankly, "the woman is inarticulate, undereducated," Trotta said, arguing that for once liberal criticism was "well-deserved."'

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Alice
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 06:38 PM

wow... the VIDEO from Fox is even BETTER!
"she just begs for adjectives like flaky"
Thought I'd never hear that on FOX!
"we are not talking about a great statesman of profound experience..... we're talking about somebody who is a flashy person who gets into a lot of trouble and really has no credentials for any job...."

Hear it for yourself, FOX news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvj-Xr0irhE

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 06:43 PM

Alice: Thanks for that link! Love it!! "Caribou Barbie" - hahahahahahahaha...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Alice
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 06:52 PM

Liz asks a great question - what do you think William F. Buckley would have thought of Palin - that's what I've been thinking ever since Glenn Beck pushed Palin onto the national Republican scene. I respected Buckley's intelligence and Colin Powell's and wonder how the heck all the intelligent people in the Republican party could applaud Palin. Liz is telling it like it is! Good for her.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 07:22 PM

I definitely don't parse the sentence like Ebbie and I don't do it like Amos either. I think that harassment is the object of the verb face and that like joe and tom and susie is some sort of adverb clause for the verb face I would definitely not read it to say that joe and tome and susie are the best and the brightest, but that they were examples of people who had faced harassment. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 07:58 PM

Well, seems as if Palin now is blaming her quitting on the establishement media??? Like, excuse me, but what the heck did the media have to do with her up and quitting???

She also wnats folks to think she represents the average ordinary people??? WTF is she smoking??? She represents rednecks... Period... No one else... Rednecks ain't the only average ordinary people... Might of fact, rednecks don't even represent the majority of average ordinary people...

Bottom line, she has melted down... Prolly "horror"mones... Ya'll know how the womenz is... Awww, jus' funnin'... I loves all the womenz...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 08:07 PM

Quite right, MG--the adverbial construction "as did x, y, and z..." modifies the verb "to face", whose direct object is harassment.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Arkie
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 08:16 PM

Many here at Mudcat and elsewhere would consider spreading false information, making false charges, and distorting facts as reprehensible irregardless of party lines.   However, there are some, Sarah Palin among them who have no qualms about attacking political opponents with false and misleading information. Then they act so hurt and mistreated when the same tactics are applied to them. Who was it that said "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". Maybe that is what Palin has done.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 08:25 PM

I think that was Harry Truman but I wouldn't bet on it...

Yeah, Sarah has the "rigtheous indignation" thing down to an art... Bruce Springsteen got it right when he sang about folks who are "martyrs with their papers in order"... That is Ms. Sarah to a tee...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 09:15 PM

Okay, but on July 27th I wouldn't want to be Jean Cummings.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 09:24 PM

I know why she quit.

In this grueling Alaskan Iquitarod the trail has had many twists and turns, but reaching the finish line is not important since everyone loves a quitter. All you have to do is walk a mile in her shoes and you would know that quit happens when you step in it. Half a million dollars in legal defense bills is nothing to sneeze at. (Unless you are the Clintons)

In the most literal sense the bottom line is that she will make more money by quitting and hawking her ghost written book on talk shows.
As a professional victim she will have much to complain about in the days to come like the expensive legal defense to all the ethics charges that were brought against her by her fellow Alaskans.

She also plans to level charges and sue various critics of her and her family. As a private citizen she hopes to collect big time in a libel warfare against Huffington Post, CSNBC and CBS' David Letterman Show. Only time will tell if her libel suit or slander plans pan out.

So instead of serving the people and fighting an angry State Congress, she plans to serve herself to some good hard cash.



PS

THERE IS NO TRUTH TO THE RUMOR THAT:
Willow is now pregnant
The FBI knows anything about her Stadium kickback deal... yet.
Todd went to Argentina with Gov. Sanford.
She is hiking the Anwar trail.
Sarah was raptured by Rush Limbaugh.
God told her to quit.
She could care less about politics if it doesn't pay.



PPSS
Although I have been strongly urged to not post so often, I will do so once every 30 days, just out of spite and giggles.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: heric
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 09:24 PM

Something just occurred to me. Why should she spend $500,000 defending herself from ethics investigations instead of spending nothing at all?

Her stupid legal idea of pretending that work related e-mails weren't work related if people were instructed to use yahoo accounts would be an expensive thing to defend, but that's because only a yahoo would try to get away with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 09:33 PM

"Something just occurred to me. Why should she spend $500,000 defending herself from ethics investigations instead of spending nothing at all?"

                      Simply because she has so much class!