BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 09:27 PM

Maybe you are right Jenny but this time round, I am going to take it that in spite of all the preaching I view, there is no Christian in this forum capable of getting a simple why from God.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: bbelle
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 09:33 PM

Jon, as you know I'm Jewish, so maybe I don't know about asking g-d why. I just try to find a way through.

jenny

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: wysiwyg
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 09:34 PM

No Jon, not here.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: harpgirl
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 09:46 PM

...Jon I want to add my thoughts here. I like and admire you a great deal and since you have brought the subject of your life up, I have something to say. It is unsolicited and you can tell me to go to hell, however; I think that if you are going to successfully work on your relatonship with God you must do it in a daily AA meeting. I don't think things will work well for you in your life until you get a handle on your drinking. And stop! Alcohol is your enemy at this point in your life. If you can sober up and take it one day at a time I believe the other things you want in life will fall into place for you. You are so smart and such a nice man but alcohol is going to kill you if you don't stop drinking. Lovingly, Abby

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 09:46 PM

Fair enough Praise.

No disrespect to you, I doubt that anyone will take on or even admit to demons here. I will look elsewhere.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 09:54 PM

I'd like to think alcohol would kill me tonight Abby but I guess I'll have to wait another day...

Jon

(who's biggest wish in life is to fall asleep and never wake up - just puts a brave face on things)

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: bbelle
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 10:21 PM

Jon, I don't think you need to be preached to, by anyone, and especially by anyone who, by history, is disingenuous. I think Praise is really trying to help, but that is your choice. If I can help, let me know.

jenny

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 17 Oct 00 - 11:51 PM

Praise, I am feeling you are trying to make this forum a resource for your own personal religious ministry.


Bonnie

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 12:21 AM

Jon, do you dismiss what I say because I am not Christian? There are other types of Christianity, as I said before, that I think you would find very enlightening; things are not translated literally from the Bible, rather symbolically. Sins are your negative thoughts and actions, because ultimately they come back at you and cause harm to you. You have a higher self within you, g-d within, who can answer your questions, but it takes a belief in your own worth, too, to get in touch with that higher self.

I do not want to get preachy here because it has felt too much like an online ministry around here lately. I will just offer, again, more info on metaphysical Christianity, if you are interested.

As for demons, believe this or not, when my brother was drinking, I had a friend who went into other planes of existense to *battle* for him. There are not demons, IMO, but there are entities/lost souls who do like to hang around people who drink and try to influence them. These are usually souls who refuse to accept they have died and need to move on; they are still addicted to their old ways and having a hard time, so they live vicariously through people whose defenses are down.

There, now I have probably thoroughly cemented my rep as a crackpot on the Mudcat.*smile*

kat

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: Troll
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 12:25 AM

Jon, I think that maybe I have been where you are. It sounde to me like you are self-medicating to deal with your problems. I did it for years. Booze mostly but other things as well. I was finally commited to a mental ward and it was discovered that I am Severly Clinically Depressed and am mildly Bi-polar. With the psychotropic drugs I now take, I can function in the world in a more normal manner.
Please. Go to a clinic and get tested. Your problem may stem from a chemical imbalance in your brain and this CAN be corrected. I fought against the idea of drugs for years because I was afraid they would change me, make me into somebody else. They did. They made me a saner and happier person.
Please get help. It's hard to ask sometimes but the reward can be incredible.
PM me if you need someone to "talk" to. I'll help if I can.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: wysiwyg
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 01:48 AM

I did PM Jon in follow-up.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 05:51 AM

Flattop,

re bed, no, I was in a mixed primary school at that time.

re women, no, someone I'd known since the first Conwy festival suddenly put her arms around me and told me she had wanted me for years within a week after me saying I knew one indisputable proof that my life was weird... I may give the rest of the tale one day but I did not chase her.

Troll, I know what you are saying but I have seen psychiatrists and apart from the shizopreninc diagosis that was made purely on the evidence of me hearing voices, they came up with nothing. I have discussed the matter with several. The problem that has defeated them is that although my actions alone could be put down to my mind, the actions of others are more difficult to explain... Perhaps the greatest example of that which I can prove is my work situation.

Hotpoint said and wrote to the psychiatrist saying that I was one of thier best employees and they would do anything they could to help me. In practice, they kept increasing my workload inspite of protests from me. Any doubt on the latter can be proved by the fact that my leaving caused a restructure and what had become my old job was taken by about 2 1/2 people - not bad for a caring company... BTW, in case there s any doubt over my work during this period, I was the author of our department's (Production Control) succesful BS5750 (later became ISO 9000) approval at first attempt and also the user manuals for all stock movements in the introduction of what was called MECCA - again provable - there was nothing wrong with my work to give reasons for them to want to push me to the point of leaving.

kat, I am reading what you say, I'd just hoped for a Christian answer but that never comes. I can relate to your lost souls bit but the question is how to get rid of them?

Praise, I will read and respond to your PM later.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: flattop
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 07:11 AM

Hello Jon,

I don't have much time time this morning. Late as usual.

>>>> re women, no, someone I'd known since the first Conwy festival suddenly put her arms around me and told me she had wanted me for years within a week after me saying I knew one indisputable proof that my life was weird... I may give the rest of the tale one day but I did not chase her.

Sounds like communication problems to me. If one woman was attracted to you and didn't tell you chances are others are attracted to you too. Are you keeping up dialogues with real people? Do you ask people questions about what they think and feel?

Production Control and Quality Assurance problems will do you in every time (and I thought you had trouble in your soul.) If you apply Demming to your personal life, with continuous improvements, in five years you'll feel as good as a Japanese factory employee who works 54 hours a day, 12 days a week.

david

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 10:39 AM

Jon, thank you, as for removing them, what worked for my brother was that friend, who is a metaphysical practioner of over 40 years, went into that realm and, I know it sounds corny, but she commanded them to leave him alone, using esoteric words and invoking the Cosmic/God, etc. From that day on he never took another drink. BTW, she is a Christian, a member of Unity, which I'd mentioned before. That is a tradition I come from, too, Jon.

I have a friend who is from Wales who would be bal eot help you, but she is over here now. If I can get in touch with her I could ask if she knows of anyone there. There is another organisation which may have someone who could help. I will PM that to you.

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: StandingBear (inactive)
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 01:00 PM

I'm new here. Not really sure who is or is not a Christian in the sense that I am. Jon Freeman, if you want Christian answers, allow me to be so bold as to say I can help. I am of Sioux descent, and it took REAL answers to HARD questions that I posed to the Almighty before He showed me His purpose for my life. PM me and I'll give you my email and maybe we can talk. To the rest of you, hello! I live in KY and am a singer/writer/poet and multi-instrumentalist. Hope to get into lots of great threads all about music, life, whatever. Great to be here! I have watched without joining for a while now and must say that this is a fascinating place.

Peace, StandingBear

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: harpgirl
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 01:46 PM

Jon my friend, I came from an alcoholic family. My father and all 4 brothers had or have a drinking problem. I am the only one who does not. However, I'm not going to preach, I will only say harpgirl sounds right to me. She is far more qualified than I to suggest anything. In checking old threads, I see that she really does care about you.

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 02:23 PM

Ya' know Kendall, I wish you'd remember to reset harp's cookie or something. Its real confusing to read harp talking in THIRD person. I am glad she shaved her beard though...............

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 02:58 PM

Welcome to the Mudcat, Standing Bear! If you have any questions just ask. One of us is bound to have more than one answer and we all will usually chime in, as you may already have guessed.

Spaw, thanks for clarifying harpgirl's last post. I'd forgotten Kendall said he was going to Florida! Have to say, with all of the alcoholics in my family, aunts, uncles, brother, past SO, I agree with harpgirl about AA.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 04:20 PM

Flattop, whatever I am communication wise or otherwise, the first and only time a women did that with me was within 1 week of me trying to use the lack of a girlfriend as part of my proof that life was not giving me a break.

If one said that I was eleigble for a girlfriend at the age of 16 and I'm now 40, whatever I am, that gives roughly 8760 days for any female to be attracted to me and say so. 5/8760 is pretty slim odds....

PS, I was 36 at the time.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: flattop
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 12:00 AM

Those aren't great numbers Jon when you put them like that. However you said that she said that she had wanted you for years. It took her years to tell you. If other women were interested in you and didn't tell you and you were not reading the signs, there might have been a large number of days where women were interested in you. The number game just gets silly.

I don't mind silly but you might be better off playing different numbers games. One marketing numbers game is based on the premise that it's difficult to get 100 rejections. You write 10 by 10 columns of no on a card and try to collect 100 nos from people. It's very difficult to get out there and not get a yes to mess up you card once in a while.

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 07:13 AM

Anyone wishing to pray with me for Jon is ivited to contact me at:

[e-mail]

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 10:58 AM

As for my above posting "I feel God within every pore of my being", ya right.
I've notice a few pores that aren't so godly.
Mind you, I kind of like being far from perfect, gives me character.
If I was perfect, I would not be here.

Bonnie

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 02:17 PM

Neo, I do not see any conflict between those two realities. I have a lot of pores like that, too, but I still feel Him in them. Good thing, too, they get better with Him in there working away!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 03:01 PM

Praise, in my reality, I am the one working away at all those pores I don't like.
Him and I are one in the same.
I'm so 'Wholey', thats why I've got so many pores.
Lots of stuff goes through one ear and out the other around here because of all those wholes of mine.

Little Neo

Subject: RE: BS: I ABSOLUTELY GIVE A D***
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 03:10 PM

Yah, Neo, I know it seems like we see it different, but see, I agree with you.

~S~