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Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Raggytash Date: 13 Apr 24 - 06:29 AM I believe the original quote is accredited to one of your former presidents, Abraham Lincoln, who said: "“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.” |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 13 Apr 24 - 07:59 AM You can fool enough of the people enough of the time. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Apr 24 - 11:31 AM We won't be able to watch jury selection, and I don't know if we'll be able to see any of the trial telecast, but there will be reporters popping in and out of the courtroom to update media hosts about the goings on. Important legal maneuvers, grandstanding, etc. Trump says he wants to testify, but the man is physically incapable of telling the truth so my money is on his attorneys talking him out of it lest he face perjury charges. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 14 Apr 24 - 05:28 AM The Trump trial will be a first but it is the OPPOSITE in every way to the OJ Simpson trial. The Trump trial will not be televised. OJ was an athlete, Trump needs a golf cart. The Trump motorcade is preceded by police vehicles. OJ's Bronco was followed by police. OJ had the best lawyers in the country. Trump has legal mouthpieces. The Trump trial involves his dick The OJ trial involved a knife. Trump is MAGA white OJ was so black they redecorated his house 'white' for the trial. For OJ if it didn't fit you must acquit. For Trump one size fits all. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 14 Apr 24 - 05:50 PM Wow! I just watched Donna Brazile on the latest round table section of ABC America This Week very eloquently and determinedly voicing her opinion on abortion rights in the U.S. Wow! She's my new hero! Her statement starts at 4 mins 30 on the video but I am betting that what she said will pop up all over social media. It was the episode dated 14 April 2024. And I am still standing by my opinion that Trump will be hoist by his own petard(s), and one of the petards is labelled "abortion rights". |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 15 Apr 24 - 08:51 AM An interesting opinion-piece in today’s ‘i’ on-line and newspaper written by Emily Maitlis, suggesting that Trump may be in a real tangle over the abortion issue, and that his election chances in November are seriously damaged by it. Is Karma beginning to work bigly against him? Emily Maitlis in The ‘I’ |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 15 Apr 24 - 08:52 AM His best hope is a hung jury. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 15 Apr 24 - 09:30 AM Re jury selection: I can remember the televised version of Peyton Place in the late 1960s, mainly because of the multiple interminable episodes spent doing jury selection in some very important trial. The only other thing I can remember is Mia Farrow's skid-lid haircut. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 15 Apr 24 - 10:19 AM I bet more women jurors will be dismissed than men. Some men might sympathize in their dreams with covering up porn star sex to avoid conflict with a pregnant wife and voters who are considering you for President, except for private bragging rights with buddies. I remember an old show 'Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous'. It's funny that lawyers tried to change the venue for the trial in NYC where Trump has lived most his life. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Apr 24 - 10:42 AM Donna Brazile made a misstep with the DNC when she and Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida worked to steer the nomination to Hillary Clinton. As far as I know not illegal, but frowned upon, and absolutely nothing compared to what the Trump family is doing to the RNC at this point. But you're correct, Donna Brazile is a dynamo. I heard her speak on my campus a dozen years ago, she's smart and funny. Another powerhouse strategist and speaker is Stacey Abrams, who ran twice for the office of governor of Georgia. Between these two women I'm sure Trump has spilled a lot of virtual ink in blasting their reputations while they can talk circles around him. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 15 Apr 24 - 11:37 AM Seems to me that the jury should be a random twelve people drawn from the electoral register, or whatever the US version is of the Electoral Register - how can a fair trial be guaranteed with 'hand-picked' jurors? Almost as weird as your 'Electoral College' nonsense. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Manitas_at_home Date: 15 Apr 24 - 11:47 AM English juries can be hand picked to a certain extent. A barrister objected to me as I was wearing a 3 piece suit and sporting a red rose (it was St George's Day). I believe they can object to a certain number of jurors. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 15 Apr 24 - 12:06 PM American juries are not exactly "hand-picked." They are closely questioned under oath by attorneys for both side. If a prospective juror appears to be unfriendly to one side or the other, or incapable of passing judgment, he or she is dismissed. Each side also gets a limited opportunity to dismiss prospective jurors for no stated reason at all. The "jury pool" is indeed selected from randomly chosen people on the local voting rolls. But to dispense with the questioning ("voir dire") would raise the probability of prejudiced, indecisive, and moronic jurors serving on the panel. A jury is empaneled only when all of its members have been approved by both sides. So to call it "hand-picked" is entirely misleading. As for the electoral college, it was the price the free states had to pay to get the slave states to join the Union in 1787. Since the "3/5 rule" was intended to restrict stave-state representation in Congress by lowering its "official" population, these less populous states demanded in return a way to exert somewhat greater influence on the outcome of presidential elections - the only time the electoral college comes into play. The Founders rejected the alternatives to the electoral college: direct democracy or election of the president my members of Congress. They believed among other things that the electoral college would be less corruptible than the alternatives. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 15 Apr 24 - 12:06 PM It’s unusual though, Manitas - it’s certainly doesn’t seem to provide the same kind of jury-rigging opportunity as in the US from what I can gather. Here’s the opening paragraph from the ‘Jury Vetting’ section of the CPS website… ”In some circumstances, the parties to the case can challenge the empanelment of a juror through ‘Stand By’ or ‘Challenge to Cause’, full details of which are set out in this document. However, this would generally be an exceptional course and the prosecution should only exert its right to do so where it is essential and on the basis of the clearly defined criteria set out below. “ The full section is here… |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 15 Apr 24 - 12:19 PM Thanks Lighter, makes more sense now, but still something of an OTT palaver to a simple bloke like me! ;-) :-) |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 15 Apr 24 - 01:16 PM On BBC1 Evening News just now, an American woman being interviewed in a vox-pop outside the courthouse saying that, if Tr*mp goes to jail, she and millions of other Americans are going to “Grab our guns and have a civil war”. The lunatics are taking over the asylum. God Help America. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 15 Apr 24 - 04:01 PM The release of the blockbuster motion picture horror "Civil War" should serve as something of a deterrent. Of course, the operative word is "should." Meanwhile, bad news for DJT investors, though some don't mind: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporters-horrified-value-truth-141358796.html |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 15 Apr 24 - 04:24 PM Some people believe jury selection is the most important part of a trial. Runaway Jury is a 2003 American legal thriller film directed by Gary Fleder and starring John Cusack, Gene Hackman (who had also starred in The Firm and The Chamber), Dustin Hoffman and Rachel Weisz. An adaptation of John Grisham's 1996 novel The Runaway Jury, the film pits lawyer Wendell Rohr (Hoffman) against shady jury consultant Rankin Fitch (Hackman) who is my cousin, uses unlawful means to stack the jury with people sympathetic to the defense. Meanwhile, a high-stakes cat-and-mouse game begins when juror Nicholas Easter (Cusack) and his girlfriend Marlee (Weisz) appear to be able to sway the jury to deliver any verdict they want in a trial against a gun manufacturer. The film was released October 17, 2003. There are people who are taught they have to hide some kind of individuality from society. It used to be race, gay people or intersex people who were told to hide but whatever differences be it disability or ability I say viva la difference. The fear of being made fun of should not cage people in denial, whatever their differences. Folks like these may be able to wrangle themselves onto a jury despite having strong feelings that are not impartial |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 15 Apr 24 - 05:18 PM ”The release of the blockbuster motion picture horror "Civil War" should serve as something of a deterrent.” I saw ‘Civil War’ at the cinema in Lincoln yesterday. Of course it’s fiction, but if reality was only half as bad as the fiction of the movie, it would still be horrific. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 15 Apr 24 - 05:19 PM Of course, contrary to expectations, World War I wasn't much of a deterrent to World War II. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 15 Apr 24 - 05:23 PM Precisely! |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Apr 24 - 05:42 PM Back to the case at hand, please. MSNBC will be talking about this in detail all evening with their best and brightest. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 15 Apr 24 - 06:04 PM Back to the topic, more than half of the nearly 100 prospective jurors answering a preliminary questionnaire today were dismissed for saying they weren't impartial. The remainder have to be questioned by the attorneys. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Apr 24 - 10:38 PM If he wants to attend his son's high school graduation and have Wednesdays off he has to cooperate and let things move along. Does Donny really want to go to a high school graduation? Probably not - that's more playing to the supporters. (I wonder where Barron will go to college? Melania has been a very involved parent from what I can tell - will she have an opinion that has him doing something other than the rest who went to U Penn?) One thing I can empathise with as far as Trump's day in court - I'd be falling asleep in there also. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: The Sandman Date: 16 Apr 24 - 02:55 AM All politicians play to their supporters. It must be difficult to find an impartial juror, much as i dislike Trump,how can he have a n impartial trial. I would think watching Trump in court would be LESS SLEEP INDUCING than watching Biden |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 16 Apr 24 - 06:50 AM "Wow, so much..." Sleep is one thing but cognitive decline is another. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Charmion Date: 16 Apr 24 - 11:04 AM It is possible to judge a loathsome person fairly, but it takes a high degree of self-discipline to stay focussed on the facts of the case and the nature and quality of the evidence. That said, I'm glad I'm not in that jury pool. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Apr 24 - 11:35 AM Biden won't be sleep inducing in court ever, Sandman, because he isn't breaking the law and won't be tried like Trump. Today again Trump is apparently nodding off. The demographics of the New York City jury pool (according to MSNBC's Steve Kornacki reviewing the last presidential election) are 76% voted for Biden, with Manhattan alone coming in at 87% for Biden. The Trump attorneys are hoping for a lot of jurors from Staten Island where Trump did best (but still didn't win.) |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 16 Apr 24 - 12:24 PM "On Monday, conservative media personality Clay Travis sent the following tweet to his one million-plus Twitter (X) followers: 'If you’re a Trump supporter in New York City who is a part of the jury pool, do everything you can to get seated on the jury and then refuse to convict as a matter of principle, dooming the case via hung jury. It’s the most patriotic thing you could possibly do.'" Since prospective jurors are under oath at voir dire, Travis is urging perjury in federal court for the sake of "patriotism" and "principle." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 16 Apr 24 - 10:43 PM Voir dire can be used to strategically put a leader on a jury that will have great influence over others who may be led like sheep. Hiring a firm to scour the history of people in a jury pool is not illegal. Jus saying that it may look like the lawyers are doing the deciding but probably not. The mob would simply threaten a jury member or two. Now there is practically a spooky neuroscience devoted to jury selection in big cases. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Apr 24 - 02:36 AM ”On Monday, conservative media personality Clay Travis sent the following tweet to his one million-plus Twitter (X) followers: 'If you’re a Trump supporter in New York City who is a part of the jury pool, do everything you can to get seated on the jury and then refuse to convict as a matter of principle, dooming the case via hung jury. It’s the most patriotic thing you could possibly do.'" Since prospective jurors are under oath at voir dire, Travis is urging perjury in federal court for the sake of "patriotism" and "principle." Seems to justify my post of 15th April, 12:06PM… ”It’s unusual though, Manitas - it’s certainly doesn’t seem to provide the same kind of jury-rigging opportunity as in the US from what I can gather.” |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 17 Apr 24 - 06:58 AM Are there any cynics here? There are opinions, insights, and chronicling journalists in this thread. I explore the first two for the most part along with insider humor and Stilly deals mostly with the chronicling of journalists. We all know the obvious win for Trump with a hung jury. The Teflon Don had 3 hung juries. Trump needs just one. I suspect low information folks are most likely to feel phantom victimization and conspiracy by the 'man' but are not actual cynics. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 17 Apr 24 - 07:24 AM Rubber neckers are a hazard on the highway and possibly on social media but the trial has suspense anyway you cut it. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 17 Apr 24 - 05:02 PM Looking back I have seen how and why the indictments have come so late. Berman the AG in NY was ordered by federal AG Bill Barr to drop the investigations regarding Trump. Berman refused and Barr then falsely announced Berman had resigned. Berman responded that he has not resigned and that Barr had lied. In the end President Trump fired Berman. Regarding why Merrick Garland was reticent to bring Trump indictments goes all the way back to when he was a young AG in OK during the bombing of the Muir building by Timothy McVeigh and others. 28 years ago soon after the OJ Trial and well after Ruby Ridge and Waco, 2 blunders by a militarized ATF, Merrick Garland had a dilemma of going after the entire neo nazi right-wing conspiracy or just Timothy Mc Veigh as a lone bomber. Garland chose the easiest path then and now. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Apr 24 - 08:41 PM That was the Murrah building in Oklahoma City. Garland certainly seems to have taken his time, but I wonder how much of the delay had to do with legally weeding out all of the embedded (like a tick) MAGA Justice officials added during the Trump era in order to be able to do any work. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Apr 24 - 11:52 AM On Tuesday when seven jurors were seated the news media gave out demographic information to the extent of male or female, and what their jobs were. That was enough to have one of those seven ask to be excused today, that she feared her identity would be revealed. And along with excusing her the judge instructed media outlets to no longer give the job, neighborhood and or employer information. One man interviewed on MSNBC this morning said he was excused because he is an artist who has satirized Trump for years. He thought he could be objective but figured as soon as they sussed out his work they would get rid of him as a juror. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 18 Apr 24 - 12:40 PM A second empaneled juror has been excused over concerns about his anonymity. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 18 Apr 24 - 02:57 PM A popular Fox anchor earlier described the first dismissed juror and said "This nurse scares me if I'm Trump." https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-juror-quits-over-fear-155749123.html |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Apr 24 - 05:40 PM A jury of 12 and one alternate have been seated. Tomorrow they select the remaining 5 alternates. The judge isn't allowing Trump and his team to know who the first 3 witnesses are; he isn't trustworthy so they won't do it. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Apr 24 - 02:12 PM Just as jurors and alternates were empanelled someone outside the building apparently lit himself on fire. Man apparently sets himself on fire outside courthouse where Trump is on trial Apparently a screen view of inside for some in the reporter pool went blank at about the same time that the outside event happened. From the ABC story A man apparently set himself on fire outside the New York City courthouse where former President Donald Trump is on trial. Rely on the New York Post to have a video of the fire. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Apr 24 - 02:15 PM New York Times article.
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 19 Apr 24 - 04:09 PM The Trump bond is a fraud? More information: Trump's $175 million bond questioned by New York AG, hearing scheduled ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 19 Apr 24 - 04:30 PM If the conspiracy lad had used gasoline instead of alcohol he would not have survived the trip to the hospital. He was not a partisan or MAGA |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 19 Apr 24 - 06:56 PM true story: An old lady prospective juror was asked if she could be fair and impartial. "Of course to the facts but as to anything Trump says I would not believe it even if his tongue was notarized". |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 20 Apr 24 - 04:21 AM Mrs Backwoodsperson has just seen on ‘X’ a report, allegedly from ‘very credible sources’, that when Tr*mp dozes off in court, he farts. Living up to his name! His legal team are apparently struggling with the obnoxious odour of his gaseous emissions. The ‘X’ post says he’s being referred to as ‘Rip van Stinkle’. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 20 Apr 24 - 04:25 AM That's funny, BWM! How to get rid of lawyers: 1. Make them wait to get paid; 2. Fart them out of the courtroom. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 20 Apr 24 - 03:27 PM An article worth reading from an interview on (Oz) ABC Radio National: Anthony Scaramucci on the US election and what happens if ex-boss Donald Trump wins "Anthony Scaramucci is part of a long conga line of people who worked in Donald Trump's White House and then turned on their former boss. "Scaramucci had a very brief tenure as White House communications director in 2017, and after what he saw from inside and outside Trump-world, he doesn't mince words. "Trump was a 'disaster', someone who 'didn't do the homework', an 'impetuous' leader 'reeling from one potential crisis to the next', he tells [Oz] ABC RN's Global Roaming. "Perhaps his biggest zinger: The 45th president was 'an orange wrecking ball'. "And although some recent polls show a neck-and-neck race between Joe Biden and Donald Trump in November's US election, Scaramucci believes Trump will lose — and lose soundly. "But should Trump prevail, 'The Mooch' has a warning for America and the world. "'[Trump is] an incredibly dangerous guy. I'm a lifelong Republican [but] I'll be working very hard against him over the next seven months,' he says." .... "By Scaramucci's estimates, there are around 40 fellow Trump White House alumni 'that are denouncing him and begging the American public not to allow him to return to the presidency'. "'It's my job, alongside my friends who love the country, to put patriotism first and partisanship last, and work hard to make sure that he doesn't win,' he says. "'[So] I'm going with the older, slightly forgetful guy as opposed to the lunatic.'" |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 20 Apr 24 - 03:50 PM The USA is now a two tiered country that gives 100 billion in corporate welfare and makes everyone else pay for it. We have replaced ambition with envy, replacing intolerance with hate. The country is seething with resentment while Wall St. games win every battle. Average people are told that the enemy are immigrants or a evil political party and sadly are easily manipulated into believing it. When this rigged system is at its worst we have a mean spirited TRUMP HEAPING LIES ever higher. Trump knows that his belief in a killer instinct has helped his self interest. But deep down he is an insecure coward. His extreme cowardice must be exposed to discredit him and his lies. How that is done is our homework for today. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 20 Apr 24 - 06:29 PM Donuel, I totally agree with your post 20 Apr 24 - 03:50 PM. The insanely wealthy people are calling the shots for the real people. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Apr 24 - 09:23 PM Anthony Scaramucci can't be trusted as a source no matter how much time has passed since he was in the Trump domain. Another one not to trust as a source of information in recent interviews is Michael Avenatti, who was the attorney for Stormy Daniels (until he stole $300,000 from her and was imprisoned). He has been heard recently opining on the Trump case and dissing his former client. Self-interest from both creeps. Don't give them oxygen. |
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