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Subject: God save the Queen From: kendall Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:31 PM I have been doing fairly well with what happened on Tuesday, and, even though I am not a monarchist, I just saw on the news that the Queen ordered the band at Buckingham Palace to play STARS AND STRIPES FOREVER, and, I just lost it. God damn them all! The guilty ones only! |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Sorcha Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:36 PM Was it S & S Forever, or the nat'l anthem? I had heard the anthem........the news is giving me goose bumps too. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Murray MacLeod Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:37 PM Look in and congratulate her personally while you are over there, kendall. You are still going, aren't you? Murray |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Jon Freeman Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:47 PM Sorcha, I'm not sure how Stars and Stripes Forever goes. What I heard I would have called The Star Spangled Banner - is that the same one or a different one? I'm not a monarchist either but I do think the use of this tune was appropriate - I think it gives some idea how much this tragedy has been felt by a lot of people in the UK. Jon |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Banjer Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:48 PM I just heard that story on the local Fox news channel. The Queen had the band (her Coldstream Guard, I believe) play 'The National Anthem' at Buckingham Palace. It was reported that was the FIRST time the anthem had been played there!!! It is heartening to see the global support shown for the victims of Tuesdays attacks! |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Bat Goddess Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:49 PM "Star Spangled Banner" -- the one that's difficult to sing. Wonderful gesture, though, at this time. Bat Goddess |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: kendall Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:51 PM I tuned in too late to hear it, the commentator said it was S&S forever that they played. Jon, I'm a bit surprised, we know how God Save the Queen goes! LOL |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Sorcha Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:51 PM Jon, the "silly words" to S&S Forever are "be kind to you web footed friend, for the duck might be somebody's mother" It's a Sousa march, and the national anthem is the melody of Ancreon, or however you spell it. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Jon Freeman Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:56 PM OK thanks Sorcha, it was definately the SSB I heard (and Kendall, I know the "silly words" to the other tune(S&S Forever) ...) Jon |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: kendall Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:58 PM what is ssb? |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:02 PM I heard on the radio that it was the American national anthem that was played, as far as I know this is the first time a foreign national anthem has been played at Buckinham Palace, also the Union Jack is flying at half mast. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Jon Freeman Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:03 PM Sorry Kendal, a bad habit of mine when reffering to comments made above (comes from ICQ chats where I'm too lazy to type/ it is quicker to abbreviate when I think a meaning is clear - even when it's not!)... Star Spangled Banner. Jon |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Sorcha Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:03 PM Star Spangled Banner, silly...... |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Paul from Hull Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:03 PM While we are in this frame of mind, it seems apt to post this, which I just found....I dont know who wrote it. An Open Letter to Terrorists: Well, you hit the World Trade Center, but you missed America. You hit the Pentagon, but you missed America. You used helpless American bodies to take out other American bodies, but like a poor marksman, you STILL missed America. Why? Because of something you guys will never understand. America isn't about a building or two, not about financial centers, not about military centers. America isn't about a place. America isn't even about a bunch of bodies. America is about an IDEA. An idea that you can go someplace where you can earn as much as you can figure out how to, live for the most part, like you envisioned living, and pursue Happiness. (No guarantees that you'll reach it, but you can sure try!) Go ahead and whine your terrorist whine, and chant your terrorist litany: "If you can not see my point, then feel my pain." This concept is alien to Americans. We live in a country where we don't have to see your point. But you're free to have one. We don't have to listen to your speech. But you're free to say one. Don't know where you got the strange idea that everyone has to agree with you. We don't agree with each other in this country, almost as a matter of pride. We're a collection of guys that don't agree, called States. We united our individual states to protect ourselves from tyranny in the world. Another idea, we made up on the spot. You CAN make it up as you go, when it's your country. If you're free enough. You guys seem to be incapable of understanding that we don't live in America, America lives in its people! American Spirit is what it's called. And killing a few thousand of us, or a few million of us, won't change it. Most of the time, it's a pretty happy-go-lucky kind of Spirit. Until we're crossed in a cowardly manner,then it becomes an entirely different kind of Spirit. Wait until you see what we do with that Spirit, this time. I post it cos it doesnt sound very different from the sort of thing we Brits might say....perhaps we are less 'distinct' from each other than we often seem... Paul |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Morticia Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:05 PM I was listening to the radio ( BBC 2)this afternoon and all afternoon people were calling in, some in tears, with their condolences and sorrow and outrage.Never doubt that we feel for you.I watched the American Ambassador at the revised Changing of the Guard....I don't mind admitting to a quiet weep of my own at his carefully controlled, but all too apparent, anguish. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: bill\sables Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:06 PM It was the Star Spangled Banner. The Us Ambassitor was there with Prince Andrew. It was also very emotional with crowds behind the railings of the palace openly weeping. Max played America the Beautiful on Mudcat radio on Tuesday night, it had the same effect on me. Bill |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Murray MacLeod Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:09 PM Good post, Paul from Hull. Love to know who wrote that. Murray |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Melani Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:25 PM I heard it, too. It was a kind gesture. It's nice to know the whole world doesn't hate us. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Linda Kelly Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:33 PM NExt Saturday is the Last Night of the Proms -the programme has been changed to reflect the mood of the nation. The conductor, who will be an American will conduct Samuel Barbers Adagio for strings and the anthems at the end of evening will be toned down. Tomorrow the Queen will attend a memorial at St Paul's and there will be a three minute silence observed by the nation -a fitting tribute for war dead. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Jim Dixon Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:37 PM I always liked America the Beautiful much better that the Star Spangled Banner. It is especially beautiful when sung by the St. Olaf Choir of Northfield, MN. (Sorry, I can't find any evidence that they ever recorded it, but I have heard them sing it.) That will really bring tears to your eyes. I thank Her Majesty for the gesture anyway. By the way, Ray Charles was wrong when he sang "God done shed his grace on thee." "Shed" is the subjunctive and it means, "May God shed his grace on thee."
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Ferret Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:38 PM What can i say, some things just defy woads. The world Grieves with you. But if any good can come out of this, it's uniting most of the world aganst terrorism. with much sadness Ferret |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: katlaughing Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:45 PM Oh, gawd, I thought I was done crying until I read this thread. God Save teh Queen, indeed. What a beautiful and peaceFULL thing to have done. Thank you, all of you in the UK and elsewhere. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Amos Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:50 PM Me too, kat. What you said. Y'know, I believe this may be the closest our two nations have come in quite a while. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Ferret Date: 13 Sep 01 - 08:04 PM you can say that again. pity it takes this to do it. ferret |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: DougR Date: 13 Sep 01 - 08:10 PM That was a very thoughtful thing for the Queen Mother to do. I heard part of it on the Fox News Channel too. DougR |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Ma-K Date: 13 Sep 01 - 08:17 PM I heard it,saw it, and cryed again when I saw their tears....Thank You..Mary |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Sep 01 - 08:22 PM I think you mean the Queen, the Queen Mother is her mum.
You don't appreciate the Star Spangled Banner half enough, you yanks. Good tune, good plot. Not arrogant, like a lot of national anthems, even if it gets sung that way a lot of the time. It's about survival in times of adversity, which is what the best songs are about, which is fitting this week. Got a lot of people at the scene crying. And singing.
Do I take it the cloth-eared twit kendall heard on the radio who couldn't tell the difference between it and the star-spangled banner was an American? |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: kendall Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:05 PM Like I said before, if you wish to go back and read it, I did not hear it myself. What I heard was the commentator talking about it. He mis spoke. Of course I know the difference. Actually, the melody for the SSB was taken from an old English drinking song. Maybe the queen has a sense of humor? Naw! she was probably serious. Anyway, this is one Yank who appreciated the gesture. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: kendall Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:09 PM cloth eared twit? what the hell is that? |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Ferret Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:16 PM cloth eared twit? In the uk it's some one who is hard of hearing. all the best ferret |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Sorcha Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:24 PM 1) kendall is NOT a cloth eared twit. 2) yes, kendall is in the US. 3) any other questions? |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:38 PM Pardonable misunderstanding there - the term "cloth-eared twit" referred to the fella on the radio whom kendall mentioned. I take it that kendall can tell the difference between his National Anthem and the Stars and Stripes Forever, or he would be a cloth-eared twit too.
My implication was that, if you have a radio announcer on an American station who can't tell the difference, he or she is a funny sort of American. (Or possibly tone deaf as King George V was, I believe - I think I read somewhere that the only way he could tell they were playing God Save the King was because everyone stood up for it.) |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Noreen Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:45 PM No-one said kendall was a cloth-eared twit, .... read it again. If I may add a word, Kevin, to make it clearer? Do I take it the cloth-eared twit THAT kendall heard on the radio ... was an American? Having met Mr McGrath in person recently, I am sure he isn't likely to be gratuitously offensive... |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Jon Freeman Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:51 PM McGrath said:
Do I take it the cloth-eared twit kendall heard on the radio who couldn't tell the difference between it and the star-spangled banner was an American? Unless Kendall was the person on the radio hearing himself, he was not the cloth-eared twit. Now if McGrath had have reffered to the cloth-eared twit, Kendall, heard on the radio, matters may be more certain! Jon |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: InOBU Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:54 PM Well, I have always concidered it a great honnor to be a citizen, so, I hope my British friends will recognise the honor, when I say, Thank you Ms. Windsor. Larry. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: kendall Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:55 PM gottcha, but, I did say that I SAW it on the news. Telly news, not radio. Churchill was right! |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Celtic Soul Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:59 PM Someone please bow very deeply to the Queen for me if you ever get the chance. And if anyone ever gets a word in with her, tell her that at least one American was very touched. I am amazed at the support, love and encouragement that have come from Britain, Canada, and other nations. Thank you, you guys in Hull and the rest of England. And all you folk in Ireland, Scotland, Wales. And you Nordic types. And of course all you Canadians, and the list goes on. We Americans might be rude sometimes when we travel, but we appreciate you. A great deal. From this American to the lot of you, a heartfelt thank you.
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: kendall Date: 13 Sep 01 - 09:59 PM Punctuation is VITAL folks. This remindes me of the 3 old guys driving through Massachusettes. One says "Is this Wellsley"? another said "No, it's Thursday." the third said "Me too, let's stop for a drink." |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Sorcha Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:14 PM Apologies, then, for thinking that kendall might be the cloth eared twit.......and my best to HRH for the gesture. Now, back to "The Birds". |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:30 PM You'd probably like what Prince Charles had to say about it too. Sometimes referred to as a big-eared twit, but I've always quite liked him. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:39 PM I have just read Cetic Souls post "Thank you guys in Hull & the rest of England" I suppose with the number of Catters in Hull, people could think Hull is the capital of England! We are just a little fishing village on the east coast. :-) |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Troll Date: 13 Sep 01 - 10:52 PM Thank you M'am. I can speak only for myself, but thank you. troll |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Bert Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:00 PM Actually Troll, I think you speak for a hell of a lot of Americans. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: GUEST,KT Date: 14 Sep 01 - 12:14 AM I'm with you on this kendall. I've been holding together through all of this, but when I saw and heard a part of the Star Spangled Banner being played at Buckingham Palace, I finally lost it. It was a very gracious and compassionate gesture. Heartfelt appreciation from this American. KT
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: ScottyG Date: 14 Sep 01 - 12:54 AM I was glad to see Paul from Hull's post with the Open Letter to a Terrorist. I received that one from a friend of mine today, and it cheered me a little. I got the one below a little while later, and it was right on time to prop me back up, as I had just learned that a business acquaintance of mine is among those missing in the Pentagon strike. I thought it appropriate to post it here and I hope it gives heart to those who need it most. I haven't read through other threads on the tragedy, so I apologize if someone else has posted this. * * * * * * I see some of these fanatical people in Pakistan, Afghanistan, the West Bank, and even Belgium (yes, Belgium per a personal experience) celebrating our misfortune and burning my flag. Thought I'd bring a positive, gracious commentary on how unique and amazing this nation and its people are. You may have seen this before, however, it doesn't hurt to read it twice...take the commentary personally and be proud that someone thinks of us with such high regard. This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television Commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10. If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even onsider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several imes - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!! * * * * * * * * * I know it was a bit lengthy, but it moved me so much, I had to share it. I have to say also, that the tears streamed freely when my wife called me to tell me about the Queen's gesture. Thank you, all of you across the pond who have poured out your support and comforting words. Scott |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: DougR Date: 14 Sep 01 - 01:02 AM Sorry, McGrath. I didn't go back and read Kendall's original posting again and thought it was the Queen Mother that ordered the performance. It was the Queen, and I was wrong. I'll start over. It was nice of the Queen to do that. DougR |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Liz the Squeak Date: 14 Sep 01 - 01:15 AM It isn't just Buck House flying the flag at half mast, I can see at least 3 from my building (thanks Daily Express for naming us as a potential target, being a tall, government building in Central London.....), and they are all lowered. A silent gesture, the best sort as far as I'm concerned. If only Blair were of the same opinion...... And another silent gesture. Our building will be observing the silence called for at 11.00 today. Some of us don't have specific people to think of, so I'll be thinking of all those who went back to help and were silenced forever. LTS |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: CarolC Date: 14 Sep 01 - 02:50 AM I saw and heard it on my television. It was very moving. Especially when I saw the the genuine emotion and pain that I saw on the faces of the people who were there to watch.
My thanks to the Queen, and to all of the people all over the world who are showing so much empathy and compassion to those of us here. I understand that significant numbers of citizens of countries other than the US were lost or are missing. I heard that the number for Britian alone may be as high as five hundred. So I send my sincere condolences to anyone, anywhere in the world, who lost a loved one or friend as a result of the events on Tuesday. |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Cappuccino Date: 14 Sep 01 - 04:02 AM Liz, with regard to 'those who went back to help', I have been thinking constantly, ever since the first 'list of casualties' thread, about seeing the name of the chaplain to the fire department, who was apparently an early casualty. I can't get it out of my head that their chaplain was right there, serving in the front line... I keep thinking about him. Although I work alone, at home, I think I too wil observe the silence. - IanB |
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Subject: RE: God save the Queen From: Greyeyes Date: 14 Sep 01 - 05:10 AM Purely on a point of pedantry, it was not the first time that "Star Spangled Banner" had been played at Buckingham Palace, but at the specific instruction of the Queen it was played before the UK National Anthem, a completely unique breach of royal protocol. For what it's worth, we will be observing the 3 minutes silence at work today, and people are queuing to sign the book of condolence that has been made available in the Mayor's Parlour. Tomorrow across the UK all football and rugby matches will be preceded by 3 minutes silence, and all players will wear black armbands. |
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