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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Musket Date: 25 Sep 14 - 03:27 AM I get bollocked for being offensive with good cause Rahere... It adds to the fun when those shouting at me are little boys with pea shooters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 25 Sep 14 - 06:03 AM No-one shouts at you silly. They only have to disagree with your supposed wisdom on something to set you off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: MGM·Lion Date: 25 Sep 14 - 07:46 AM No idea what you are on about Guest. How can I be a member of your NRA from here in Cambridgeshire? - which is in England in case you didn't know. Now just save your spleen for someone with the remotest idea of what you are on about, eh! Please read my post, my first at the top of this thread, which reproduces some on a former post of the X to the power of n threads we have had on the topic to fond out where I stand on the whole issue of the dysfunctionality of US law on this entire topic. And then leave me alone, please. I wasn't talking to you, so don't dare respond in that patronising fashion, you ashamed-to-identify-yourself nonentity. ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Rapparee Date: 25 Sep 14 - 09:21 AM 1. There is no indication that the guy who ambushed the cops in PA was a member of anything other than his own delusions. 2. He was a historical re-enactor, a hobby found pretty much worldwide -- including the UK -- where they carry rifles and pistols and swords and lances and all sorts of things. Some of them work! 3. The town of Canadiensis is still in lockdown and shelter in place. 4. He's not a particularly good example of a woods-wise person...he's let himself be seen. 5. I predict he will kill himself rather than be taken by the police -- a final gesture of defiance and hate. 6. In any case I seriously doubt that he will be taken alive; if he is he will spend the rest of his life in hospital. 7. If you can find it, see the new FBI report on mass shootings -- it came out this very morning. Try to understand what it says. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 25 Sep 14 - 09:30 AM He was a historical re-enactor, He was a VIETNAM WAR re-enactor, Rap - which makes him a pretty sick puppy to begin with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Lighter Date: 25 Sep 14 - 09:33 AM Actually he was a World War III in Europe "re-enactor." He liked to play Soviet soldiers. Means nothing. None of his pals are murderers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 25 Sep 14 - 11:44 AM http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/accused-state-trooper-shooter-eric-frein-surfaces-vietnam-war-reenactment-video-article-1.1949607 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 25 Sep 14 - 02:03 PM Dangerous shithead out there, with an AK-47 and a .308. Now on FBI Most Wanted List, and so far, $175,000 offered in reward money. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Rapparee Date: 25 Sep 14 - 03:19 PM My youngest nephew is a Vietnam War re-enactor. He also re-enacts WW2. He's no more dangerous than anyone else. Are you saying that those of us who served during the VN Era or in VN are "sick"? If so, drop around. I'll introduce you to some of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 25 Sep 14 - 03:56 PM There is more than 400. Million people in the USA. Yes you will get killers but percent wise probably no more than other countries this size |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Bill D Date: 25 Sep 14 - 04:02 PM 313.9 million (2012) "percent wise probably no more than other countries" It just makes some of them work harder with bigger guns. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 25 Sep 14 - 05:18 PM My youngest nephew is a Vietnam War re-enactor...Are you saying that those of us who served during the VN Era or in VN are "sick"? No, as one who served, I'm saying that anyone who wants to replay that fucking useless and idiotic sausage grinder is sick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST,Rahere Date: 25 Sep 14 - 06:54 PM As someone whose mush appears in God only knows how many STASI border shots from the late 70s doing something real to persuade the bearers of real AK47s they didn't want to try it, I have a dim opinion of a Nation which allows people to fantasize like that, "WWIII reenactment" indeed. You actually managed to find a lower notch on my scale of contempt, I didn't think possible. And that he should be holding an entire town in fear and trepidation, Police and Troopers and National Guard, Oh My! You're off to see the Wizard, the Wonderful Wizard of Id... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 25 Sep 14 - 07:34 PM naw bill they didnt count the illegals ...my bad |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Rapparee Date: 25 Sep 14 - 10:36 PM I don't think I'll post here anymore. I find the responses insulting to US veterans and the National Guard -- of which I was a member in 1968, when the unit was activated and ended up in Vietnam. Ya'll keep keep your heads down now. (Bill D., you and a few others aren't included in the above. Rationality and reality isn't a strong point here.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 26 Sep 14 - 10:44 AM I find the responses insulting to US veterans and the National Guard Well, that's on YOU then, Rap, since no one has insulted U.S. veterans or National Guard personnel except in your imagination. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Wesley S Date: 26 Sep 14 - 12:07 PM Own a piece of history. Remember Charles Whitman the Texas Tower shooter at the U of Texas in Austin back in 1966? Hard to believe but his actual rifle used in the shooting is up for sale. Full story here "Bids are starting at $25,000 for the sale of the rifle used by Charles Whitman during his deadly 1966 sniper rampage from atop the University of Texas clock tower that killed 16 people and wounded dozens more. The bids are being accepted on the website of Texas Gun Trader. Donald Weiss of Dallas tells the Houston Chronicle he's helping the unidentified owner of the Remington 700 to sell the weapon. Weiss says there's a pending offer of more than $25,000 from a man in the Southeast Texas town of Orange. Weiss says the owner obtained the rifle from Whitman's estate." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 26 Sep 14 - 12:36 PM Police department do not give back weapons they destroy them I guestion this. Rap is correct you insult all those who served I also won't post |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 26 Sep 14 - 04:14 PM Some nice tours offered of the tunnels and fields of battle in Vietnam. I take it Greg F has no interest in taking one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 26 Sep 14 - 04:32 PM So Q'zer- what the fuck is your problem? I should think that seeing them in 1968 would be more than enough for you. You think that the ± 58,220 U.S service personnel killed, the ± 153,303 wounded and the the and the ± 430,000 South Vietnamese civilians killed in that U.S. clusterfuck are SOMETHING TO MAKE FUCKING JOKES ABOUT? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Jeri Date: 26 Sep 14 - 04:41 PM Man, it's gonna take a jackhammer to get some people's shorts outta their asses... (That's a joke. There is just so long being offended/outraged is gonna be fun, then what are ya gonna do?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 26 Sep 14 - 05:59 PM So where's Rap & Dude complaining about Q-zer insulting those who served, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Lighter Date: 26 Sep 14 - 06:35 PM Of course the hero of the tale was a police deputy and not Joe Blow: http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/us/oklahoma-beheading/index.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 26 Sep 14 - 07:53 PM The only one defaming Veteran's memories is Greg F. Vietnam Battlefield Tours was founded by Vietnam veterans, for veterans and their families, historians, and educators. See their website. U. S. Army veteran, WW2. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 26 Sep 14 - 08:57 PM It is just a mistake and poor choice of words lets all forget it Today some guy went into work and cut the headoff of his female coworker wanted everyone to be Muslim Fucking streets and even work is now more dangerous than covert intelligence Wonder why I carry a fucking gun |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: MGM·Lion Date: 27 Sep 14 - 01:48 AM Out of interest, Dan: could you demonstrate in what way that 'fucking gun' in your pocket was in any way of aid or service to that unfortunate young woman beheaded by that nut in Oklahoma [I think it was]? I honestly do not see the mutual relevance or application of the two parts of your equation. Regards ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Musket Date: 27 Sep 14 - 02:26 AM All this "I served" waffle.. What ideal do you think you were furthering? The right to carry guns? Sick puppies. Mohammed Ali summed it up perfectly for me when he was man enough to refuse and take the consequences. "No Vietnamese ever called me a nigger." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST Date: 27 Sep 14 - 05:38 AM Muhammed Ali just didn't know what "Mi deng" meant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: pdq Date: 27 Sep 14 - 08:21 AM "Today some guy went into work and cut the head off of his female coworker (because he) wanted everyone to be Muslim...wonder why I carry a fucking gun." ~ oldude The chief operations officer of the Vaughns took a gun from his desk and dispatched the Muslim jihadist. That is why we have guns. If the Brits do not like they can all (fill in blank yourselves). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 27 Sep 14 - 09:52 AM Defaming, Q? Please show where, exactly. Vietnam Battlefield Tours was founded by Vietnam veterans, Certain Vietnam veterans also 'swiftboated' John Kerry. Your point? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Lighter Date: 27 Sep 14 - 10:23 AM They didn't "defame" him. They give their personal opinions that he was crummy officer nearly forty years earlier. I haven't heard that they slandered him, as by lying - which is the essence of defamation. Like so many here, people swayed by the ad couldn't tell the difference between fact and opinion, a straw man argument, cherry-picked testimony, and (perhaps) the relevance of behavior forty years ago, long before Kerry's more than competent career in the U.S. Senate. Maybe Kerry was a bad choice. Maybe not. In either case, his failure to live up to the idealized movie image of a naval officer in his twenties shouldn't have carried any decisive weight. Or should it have? Opinions. Everyone's got plenty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Sep 14 - 11:23 AM Battlefield tours were meant to be cathartic - and should not be uttered in the same breath as that handpicked veterans swift boat group dreamed up by Bush buddies to sneer at John Kerry. Swift Boat Veterans formed for the exclusive reason to smear a political candidate. After the election, the group was credited by media and praised by conservatives as contributing to Kerry's defeat. The group's tactics are considered an example of a successful political smear campaign for its widely publicized then discredited claims. . . . People who weren't present with Kerry have been convinced that they should doubt Kerry's military record. But they were subjected to pressure by a powerful political machine. All of this Bush-era nonsense in the end was enough to inspire the creation of several political fact check groups in order to quickly examine and debunk or confirm the "facts" in the claims. And none of this modern-day activity should be used to judge or sort out the actual events of the Vietnam war. Talk about taking events out of context . . . SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 27 Sep 14 - 11:24 AM Maybe Kerry was a bad choice. Maybe not. In either case, his failure to live up to the idealized movie image of a naval officer in his twenties shouldn't have carried any decisive weight. Exactly, lighter. However, in addition it was proven that several of the "swiftboaters" DID lie oughtright. The point is also that the military is like any other group of individuals: some extroadinary, most of the middling sort, and some really despicable. Describing reality is hardly "defaming Veteran's memories". Now Q, you never responded to the query about thinking that the Vietnam War and its casualties were things to make jokes about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: gnu Date: 27 Sep 14 - 02:51 PM Every sentient being has the right to defend itself by any means necessary. There are good gun laws and bad gun laws. I offer this... get rid of bad gun laws and strictly enforce good gun laws. It ain't rocket science. Unfortunately, most science and common sense are desperately lacking in the general populace, as has been witnessed in this here Mudcat Café for THOUSANDS of posts on many gun threads. So. To answer the OP. No... not a fuckin hope... US gun laws, overall, are completely fucked up. Nearly the same thing in Canuckistan (my Great White Homeland) but for very different reasons. If anyone would like to know of what I speak, read my MANY posts on ALL of the past gun threads. If you accept researching just the info contained on past Mudcat gun threads, see you in 2015. BTW... a buddy of mine knocked a bull yesterday at dawn... 1055 dressed. He lives in Three Miles In Back of Beyond, Kent County, NB.ca and he is gonna feed his extended family for over a year with moozzze meat. Don't fuck him up with bad gun laws. Fuck over criminals with good guns laws instead... or shut the fuck up*. * That's a recurring theme in my past posts. PS... address issues and don't address me personally on this thread in future unless you PM me because I really don't give two fucks from Tuesday about what you don't understand about what I have just posted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST,Rahere Date: 27 Sep 14 - 05:04 PM I can't get my head around Gnu shooting a Moose. or is it t'other way around? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST Date: 27 Sep 14 - 06:05 PM I wonder if this works? Flanders and Swann. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 27 Sep 14 - 07:36 PM Some time I will tell you about the creep who decided to come after two girls with a knife. He found himself staring down the barrel of my. 45 I never needed to fire that ended it quickly |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 27 Sep 14 - 08:17 PM Gnu I like elk man an elk roast is amazing |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Musket Date: 28 Sep 14 - 02:51 AM Some day I will tell you about the man threatening a criminal with a '45. Being a civilised country, they ended up in adjoining cells. The judge saying that taking the law into your own hands is barbaric and not acceptable in a free country. Just thought I'd rewrite it for progressive people who learn about such things in history and geography about the dangers of some foreign countries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST,Rahere Date: 28 Sep 14 - 07:29 AM It's not that they are in a hole. It's that they want to stay in the hole and expect everyone else to join them in it which angers me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 28 Sep 14 - 07:49 AM Musket, in that story, had the criminal broken in to someone's home? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Ebbie Date: 28 Sep 14 - 01:21 PM KeithofH, I believe that the Musket is telling us that his story is apocryphal. But I too am curious. What extenuating circumstances apply? An American, I have no answers for our plague of guns and our gun culture, and the older I get the less sure I am of anything. However, I do know my views on capital punishment. I'm a'gin it. I do know my views on war. I'm a'gin it. The law of tooth and claw should be abandoned in babyhood. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Sep 14 - 03:08 PM I believe Musket's story was a jokey re-write of oldude's boast a couple of posts before, to demonstrate what would likely have happened to our very own Audie Murphy wannabe if he'd started waving his .45 around here in the U.K. - even if it was a criminal he waved it at, he'd be nicked just the same because he too would be a criminal by virtue of carrying an offensive weapon in public. And quite right too - nobody, licensed or not, should be walking around with an offensive weapon in a civilised country. It's unnecessary and....errrmmm.....uncivilised. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Sep 14 - 03:09 PM Apologies, Musket, if I misread your meaning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST Date: 28 Sep 14 - 06:48 PM ""The chief operations officer of the Vaughns took a gun from his desk and dispatched the Muslim jihadist. That is why we have guns. If the Brits do not like they can all (fill in blank yourselves)."" I'm sure the victim's family will be MOST impressed that some gung ho, trigger man shot the perp, who didn't know about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. Over here that would be called "excessive force", unless he fired in time to save that poor woman. Us Brits have people whose job it is to bring murderers to justice, not summarily execute them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 28 Sep 14 - 07:42 PM I agree to disagree. You have the right to meet deadly force with deadly force here in the US. I guess you guys don't and that makes me wonder. The guy that stopped the criminal who killed that lady, if he had not by the time the police came there would have been a lot more bodies. but hey if it works for you great, it works for me fine .. I don't ask permission to defend myself . Maybe your cops are next door I don't know. Mine take a while and by then someone is dead. Rather it not be me or an innocent |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 28 Sep 14 - 08:35 PM maybe your system works because of your health care programs. Over here if you are as crazy as a loon and tend to be violent, no mental health provider can report you unless threats are made. Even then it would not be taken serious. Our privacy laws really make reporting difficult. So until a nut case kills a whole bunch of people then others ask why wasn't someone aware. Maybe you folks head it off. And no one was bragging about pulling a weapon, that is nothing to be proud of .. I pulled mine to save lives I was stating a fact .. I would use mine to save lives nothing more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 29 Sep 14 - 06:00 AM Musket, I only asked, "Musket, in that story, had the criminal broken in to someone's home?" That was my whole post! There is no plot against you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Musket Date: 29 Sep 14 - 08:01 AM I know. You couldn't dig a 'tater plot without letting one variety seed itself where another variety has been sown. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 29 Sep 14 - 09:17 AM Now see here- this is why everyone is gonna need a gun in a couple of years. September 28, 2014 Top Republican Presidential Candidate Says Anarchy May Force Cancellation Of 2016 Election Dr. Ben Carson, a popular Tea Party activist and Fox News contributor who says he will likely seek the Republican nomination for president in 2016, said on Sunday that he is seriously concerned that there will not be 2016 elections in the United States because the country could be in anarchy by that point. Carson finished a close second Saturday in a straw poll at the 2014 Values Voters Summit for 2016 presidential preferences. With assholes like this running around- and idiots actually beieving him - its no wonder sensible legislation is doomed. |
