Songs by Charlie Poole

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Oct 02 - 11:42 AM

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Milwaukee Blues (see above, Jay Gould's daughter)

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Mother's Plea for Her Son

No HD, DT, threads that title

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My Gypsy Girl (see above)

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Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Oct 02 - 12:16 PM

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Only Girl I Ever Loved

No HD, DT, threads that title

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Ramblin' Blues

No HD, DT, threads that title

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Shootin' Creek

HD: http://www.honkingduck.com/BAZ/baz_side.php?meth=t&letter=s&title=Shootin%2527%2520Creek&cuid=20150B

No HD as Ida Red

Recording: Columbia 15286 - D
Date Issued: June 1928
Side: B
Title: Shootin' Creek
Artist: Charlie Poole With The North Carolina Ramblers
Recording Date: Unknown

DT:
IDA RED/SHOOTIN CREEK: http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=2916

Related threads:
(origins) Origin of Ida Red

(origins) Maybelline:What Are The Original Lyrics?

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Sweet Sixteen

No HD, DT that title or "when she was...."

Thread: WHEN SHE WAS SWEET SIXTEEN: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=47448#708214

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Took My Gal a Walkin'

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Wayward Boy

No HD, DT that title

Several threads that title, but it's another song

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What Is Home Without Babies

HD: http://www.honkingduck.com/BAZ/baz_side.php?meth=t&letter=w&title=What%2520Is%2520Home%2520Without%2520Babies&cuid=20375B

Supertone (Sears) 9492
Date Issued: September 1929
Side: B
Title: What Is Home Without Babies
Artist: The Boone County Entertainers
Recording Date: Unknown

B side: Virginia Bootleggers

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When I'm Far Away

No HD, DT that title

Related lyrics-- song is all floaters, appear in other songs. Without hearing the tune I can't say what's related.

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Where the Whippoorwill Is Whispering Goodnight

No HD, DT, threads that title or text sample

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White House Blues (see above)

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Young Boy Left His Home One Day

No HD, DT, threads that title or text sample

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You Ain't Talkin' to Me

HD: http://www.honkingduck.com/BAZ/baz_side.php?meth=t&letter=y&title=You%2520Ain%2527t%2520Talkin%2527%2520To%2520Me&cuid=20131A

Recording: Columbia 15193 - D
Date Issued: October 1927
Side: A
Title: You Ain't Talkin' To Me
Artist: Charlie Poole With The North Carolina Ramblers
Recording Date: Unknown

Thread: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=24022#272076

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 06 Oct 02 - 01:15 PM

Just a quit post about Posey Rorer, Poole's fiddler. I played up in Eden, NC with Doc Watson and Doug Rorrer last night at Morehead High School less than one mile from where Poole died.

Doug Rorrer said, "Posey is my great-uncle. Charlie Poole also married into the family. Posey and some of the family spell the name with 3 R's, we spell it with 4 R's."

Doug is a great flatpicker. He has a small label called 'Flying Cloud Recordings'. Tony Rice and the other Rice brothers are also from the area (Reidsville, NC). Wayne Henderson records some on "Flying Cloud'.

-Richie

Subject: Lyr Add: WHAT IS A HOME WITHOUT LOVE / ...BABIES
From: Rolfyboy6
Date: 06 Oct 02 - 01:31 PM

WHAT IS A HOME WITHOUT BABIES-alternate title: What Is A Home Without Love

I've not found the Poole lyrics on line (Louvin lyrics below). I'm familiar with this from the Monroe Brothers' 1930s recordings ("Feast Here Tonight" in print as a CD), but didn't find their particular lyrics.
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From the Folk Music Index:
What is a Home without Babies(Love)? - Monroe, Charlie

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   1. Monroe Brothers. Feast Here Tonight, Bluebird AXM2-5510, LP (1975), cut# 2 Poole, Charlie; and the North Carolina Ramblers. Charlie Poole, 1926-30, Historical HLP-8005, LP (1975), cut# 4

What Is Home Without Love

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      Louvin Brothers. Tragic Songs of Life, Rounder SS012, LP (199?), cut#A.04
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Also: Recorded by Doc Watson: Doc Watson and David Grisman - Doc and Dawg
Acoustic Disc 25 Acoustic Disc:Flatpick Merchantile: Doc and Dawg, also check the amazon page Doc and Dawg.
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Also a reference to Harry and Jeannie West doing this song, but couldn't find the recording. Others will know.
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Charlie Poole version: Norm's 78, listening room (5th one down)- Charlie Poole

No Charlie Poole Amazon soundclip for this song. Here's the Amazon master page for the Charlie Poole CDs they carry. Amazon: Charlie Poole
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Here are words and chords for the Louvin Brothers version: E-Tabs: Louvin Brothers

What is Home Without Love
As recorded by the Louvin Bros.
album: Tragic Songs of Life
(Traditional arranged by Charlie and Ira Louvin)
Recorded May 2, 1956.

², Bb

I
Sad and alone in a mansion
                                 V
No loving wife to caress

Sat a man sad and lonely
                                          I
No loving wife's lips to kiss

She married him for (possessions?)
                                           IV
No love in her heart had she
                                  I
Sad and alone, in his fine home
V                                                 I
He looked all around him and said

Chorus, same progression.

What is a home without a baby?
To love and to tease and adore?
What is home without a sweet wife?
To kiss you each night at the door?
What is a home without sunshine?
To spread its bright rays from above?
You can have wealth and its pleasures
But what is a home without love?

Walking down the streets one evening
He passed by a cottage so neat
Stopped and looked in the window
He saw there a picture so sweet
A husband, a wife, and a baby
They were hugging and kissing too
He turned aside, his tears to cry
And from his lips came these words

chorus
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Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Oct 02 - 01:56 PM

Thanks to you both!

~Susan

Subject: Lyr Add: WHAT IS A HOME WITHOUT BABIES?
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 06 Oct 02 - 02:22 PM

WHAT IS A HOME WITHOUT BABIES?
Charlie Poole with the North Carolina Ramblers
Columbia 15307-D, July 23, 1928


All alone in a mansion
With no one to love and caress
Sat a man noble and handsome
No loving wife's lips to press
She married him for his position
No love was in her heart
He looked around in his grand home
And from his lips came these words

What is a home without babies,
To love and to tease you adore?
What is home without a sweet wife,
To kiss you each night at the door?
What is a home without sunshine,
To shed its bright rays from above?
You may have wealth and its pleasure
But what is a home without love?

Down the street he walked one evening
Passed a cottage so neat.
Stopped and looked in the window
And see a picture so sweet
A husband and wife, and baby
Laughing and kissing too
He turned aside, his tears to hide
And from his lips came these words

chorus

Notes: Roy Harvey recorded "What is a Home Without Love" in 1927 for Brunswick.

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 07 Oct 02 - 01:33 PM

The Charlie Poole Website: http://world.std.com/~gdallal/charlie_poole.htm
Has- "C from Tennessee" which is "Coon from Tennessee".

Substitutes words are added for offensive racial slurs, which is something I also do, but I footnote (*) the changed lyrics and at the bottom add: *Substitute lyrics- racial slurs.

Personally even though I do have some offensive lyrics on my website- Click here
they are only in several "Original Lyrics" entries put there for historical reference. It's a problem because I believe in authenticity but not in perpetuating offensive racial lyrics.

Susan, I have Poole's lyrics, should I just start posting them with background info? I could do maybe one a week.

-Richie

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Oct 02 - 01:45 PM

Richie, I'd appreciate it if you would wait-- I want to start a Part Two of this thread. Some of the songs will go there, but some will need to go into older, existing threads. I'll leave word here on that, starting on Thursday, OK? I have a biz trip tomorrow and Wednesday first. I also have Gary's chords to a lot of them and we need to get them posted in the same place as the lyrics.

~S~

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson
Date: 08 Oct 02 - 11:22 AM

I'm sure glad somebody is doing this-- Poole's lyrics and songs deserve a wider circulation than he's gotten. Never understood why standard string band confguration includes a clawhammer banjo and not a three finger Poole-style banjo. Gary, Susan-- THANKS!!!!!!!!! more comments later

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson
Date: 09 Oct 02 - 03:52 PM

Hey-- thanks again! where did that third verse for Old and Gray come from??

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Oct 02 - 03:54 PM

Pete-- because there are not enough Debby McClatchys to go around? *G*

~S~

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 09 Oct 02 - 10:03 PM

Pete-

The third verse posted by Gary didn't come from Poole and there are some slight changes in lyrics . The original "Old and Only in the Way" was copyrighted in 1880 by Downey and Billings. I don't have the original lyrics.

Perhaps it's Fiddlin' John Carson's.

-Richie

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: Jim Krause
Date: 09 Oct 02 - 11:56 PM

Pete, well I know of one old-time string band that does make use of three finger (modified) Charlie Poole style banjo playing on occasion. The Euphoria String Band does some of Charlie Poole's material.

Jim

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 10 Oct 02 - 12:03 AM

It's interesting to note that Poole copied the classical style of Fred Van Eps, and his later recordings involve rolls similar to the style Earl Scruggs would later define.

-Richie

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 10 Oct 02 - 11:38 PM

Susan,

I think Gary has done a great job presenting Charlie's work both on his web-site and on this thread.

I'm not sure what format you want me to present lyrics and info. I don't have all of Poole's recording's but I have his lyrics and I can use the info Kinney Rorrer has plus add in what I have.

I'm swamped right now with some performances this weekend but should be free next week to help.

Let me know what I can do.

-Richie

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 Oct 02 - 01:35 PM

Well, I've been banging away on cleaning up all the copy abopve and making links, in my word processor.

Richie, I wonder how many of your lyrics for various artists match up with songs that can be heard online at Honkingduck? Please see: Mudcat Honkingduck Oldtime Project Proposal.

~Susan

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 11:22 PM

Following are the tracklists from the Poole reissue CDs currently available... a thread for each CD (and the songs in it) will be created. In those, we'll post any songs not already at Mudcat, or add chords or links to where they can be found at Mudcat.

If one purchases these items via CAMSCO, Mudcat gets a cut. Contact them at http://www.mudcat.org/product_request/index.cfm.

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Old Time Songs Recorded from 1925 to 1930
(Charlie Poole)
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000012F2/ref=m_art_li_1//103-8336259-5094262?v=glance)

With sound clips:
1. White House Blues
2. Sweet Sunny South
3. Shootin' Creek
4. He Rambled
5. The Letter That Never Came

Without sound clips:
6. Mountain Reel
7. You Ain't Talkin' To Me
8. Sweet Sixteen
9. Leaving Home
10. Took My Gal A Walkin'
11. Monkey On A String
12. Ramblin' Blues
13. Flying Clouds
14. Falling By The Wayside
15. Don't Let Your Deal Go Down Blues
16. Take A Drink On Me

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Old Time Songs Recorded From 1926-1930, Vol. 2
(Charlie Poole)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000012F9/ref=m_art_li_2//103-8336259-5094262?v=glance

No sound clips:
1. If the River Was Whiskey
2. Bill Mason
3. Baltimore Fire
4. Honeysuckle
5. My Gypsy Girl
6. Ragtime Annie
7. It's Movin' Day
8. Budded Rose
9. Kiss Waltz
10. Jealous Mary
11. Wild Horse
12. If I Lose, I Don't Care
13. There'll Come a Time
14. Southern Melody
15. Mother's Last Farewell Kiss
16. One Moonlight Night

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Legend of Charlie Poole, Vol. 3
(Charlie Poole)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000HF4V/ref=m_art_li_3//103-8336259-5094262?v=glance

With sound clips:
1. Look Before You Leap
2. Goodbye Liza Jane
3. Leaving Dear Old Ireland
4. Hungry Hash House
5. Milwaukee Blues

Without sound clips:
6. Goodbye Booze
7. Too Young to Marry
8. Highwayman
9. Write a Letter to My Mother
10. Girl I Left in Sunny Tennessee
11. My Wife Went Away and Left Me
12. Old and Only in the Way
13. I Once Loved a Sailor
14. Forks of Sandy
15. I'm the Man That Rode the Mule Around the World
16. Goodbye Mary Dear

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~Susan

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 02:28 PM

Speaking of Charlie Poole, this Sunday 11/10 at 4pm I will be broadcasting a program of Charlie Poole music. My guest will be Kinney Rorrer, author of the book "Rambling Blues: The Songs and Story of Charlie Poole".   Kinney is also related to Posey Rorrer, the fiddler in the original North Carolina Ramblers.

You can listen to TRADITIONS on WFDU-FM, 89.1FM in the NYC area or via the internet at www.wfdu.fm

Hope you can tune in!   Kinney had some fascinating stories about Poole, a larger than life character.   Of course we will feature a number of great Poole tunes!

Ron Olesko
Producer/Host
WFDU-FM's
TRADITIONS

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 02:30 PM

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lucky YOU! Thanks for inviting us!

~Susan

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 08 Nov 02 - 03:47 PM

Susan, thanks for all of the hard work on Charlie Poole!

Guest:Richie in a post provided above mentions "Gary's Website". Does anyone know the URL?

How can I get a copy of the original lyric and chord files electronically that have the chords in the correct positions. If you send it to me at [e-mail] I will be glad to convert them to HTML and post them with the chords in the correct place.

JAB

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 08 Nov 02 - 08:28 PM

Gut Bucketeer-

Gary posts a link to his site; fifth post. Gary has some chords.

Susan- I can post info on songs etc. How/where do you want me to do that? You mentioned a seperate thread earlier.

-Richie

Subject: Lyr Add: SWEET SUNNY SOUTH (Charlie Poole)
From: Richie
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 09:55 AM

Lry. Add: SWEET SUNNY SOUTH Charlie Poole

Take me back to a place where I first saw the light,
To the sweet sunny south take me home.
Where the mockingbirds sang me to rest ev'ry night,
Oh, why was I tempted to roam?

I think of regret of the dear home I left,
Of the warm hearts who cheered me then.
Of the wife and the dear ones of whom I'm bereft,
An s sight of the old place again.

Take me home to a place where my little ones sleep
And old Massa lies buried nearby
O'er the graves of my loved ones I long there to weep
And among them to rest and to die

Take me back to the place where the orange trees grow
To my cot in the evergreen shade
Where the flowers on the river's green margin they grow
They are sweet on the banks where we played

'Til the path to our cottage they say has grown green
The place is quite lonely around
And I know that the smiles and the forms I have seen
Now lies in the cold mossy ground

Take me back, let me see what is left that I knew
Can it be that the old house is gone?
Dear friends of my childhood indeed must be few
And now I must face death all alone not a Poole verse

Take me home to a place where my little ones sleep
And old Massa lies buried nearby
O'er the graves of my loved ones I long there to weep
And among them to rest and to die

Notes: Charlie Poole's North Carolina Ramblers version from Kinney Rorrer's book 'Rambling Blues.' Poole recorded this in NY on May 7, 1929, CO-15425-D. It was first done by the North Carolina Ramblers in 1927, Chicago, Ill. with Roy Harvey- Vocal.

Printed versions, under a number of titles, were usually credited to either 'Raymond' or else 'W. L. Bloomfield (in the 1850's). The cover of an 1850's music sheet is reprinted with the notes to the version recorded by Kentucky fiddle-player Buddy Thomas on his album Kitty Puss (Rounder CD 0032).

Laws has two versions. This is the version that starts "Take me back to a place where I first saw the light, To the sweet sunny south take me home" a longing for teh South. It should not to be confused with "The Sweet Sunny South (I)" [Laws A23], a (Confederate) soldier's farewell.

The other version in the DT "To the Sweet Sunny South" resembles Poole's version but is not his version.

-Richie

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: Richie
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 10:12 AM

Joe Offer-

This verse should be deleted from Poole's version:

Take me back, let me see what is left that I knew
Can it be that the old house is gone?
Dear friends of my childhood indeed must be few
And now I must face death all alone

Sorry, I used a different version to reduce typing, then edited it. I Forgot to remove the verse.

-Richie

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 01:54 PM

Over the last couple weeks, I made up a new promo brochure for Debby McClatchy. In exchange for the layout, she gave me some songbooks - including Kinney Rorrer's Rambling Blues. I think the Rorrer book includes ALL of Poole's lyrics, but I'm not sure of that. There aren't THAT many songs in the book. For printing, Debby paid me cash. I thought I'd spend the cash (about $50 left after materials purchase) on some Charlie Poole CD's. Can anybody make any recommendations? there are lots of Poole CD's available, but many of them share the same tracks. Are there three or four CD's I can buy that will give me much of what Poole recorded, without duplicating tracks?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 05:26 PM

Joe,
Check out County Sales; www.countysales.com down in Floyd, Virginia. Excellent mail order service, I've been dealing with them for over 30 years. I'm not sure if it is one or two CD's that they have of Poole on their own label which was once the only source for his re-issued material on vinyl.

As you will have seen from Kinney's book most of Poole's material is from sheet music from the late 1800's but what he did with it was great. I still have one two of his 78's.

You might(?) see other compilations of Poole but I would recommend the County's for sound and general overall production.

Good listening

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 05:48 PM

County has the three CDs of Poole with the North Carolina Ramblers. Juneberry (available at CAMSCO, too) has "Charlie Poole-The Remaining Sides"

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: NormanD
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 03:08 PM

I'm reviving this old thread. Loudon Wainwright was on the radio tonight (BBC Radio 2, Mike Harding) talking about his forthcoming 2Xcd of songs of Charlie Poole.

If anyone (like I was) is now looking for lyrics / chords, just go here.

Thanks for all that past work.

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 03:53 PM

For those on the other side of the pond (sometimes the BBC online players don't work for us), there's Terry Gross's "Fresh Air" interview on NPR:

A 'Handsome' Tribute From Loudon Wainwright:

August 19, 2009 - The latest project from famed singer-songwriter Loudon Wainwright III is a double-album tribute to another musician entirely. Called High Wide and Handsome: The Charlie Poole Project, it's a celebration of the old-time country banjo player, who died in 1931.

Wainwright and producer Dick Connette dug into Charlie Poole's recordings — and into Kinney Rorrer's biography, Ramblin' Blues — eventually writing nine new songs about the life and times of a man they celebrate as a country-music pioneer.

Wainwright began his own career three decades after Poole's death, making a name for himself in the '60s with humorous and autobiographical songs. In 1972, on his Album III, he scored the Top 40 hit "Dead Skunk," and since then he's recorded 20 albums.

Wainwright co-wrote (with Joe Henry) the music for the film Knocked Up; as an actor, he's appeared in that film and many other movies and TV shows, from three episodes of the 1970s hit M*A*S*H to this summer's family comedy G-Force. His own family is famously musical: Rufus Wainwright and Martha Wainwright, both singer-songwriters, are Wainwright's children with ex-wife Kate McGarrigle, herself a noted folk singer.

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 05:41 PM

Beaten to it Twice!! Louden Wainright is well worth a look at , and listen to !

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: open mike
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 12:10 AM

Louden Wainwright's web site...
http://www.lwiii.com/about.php?section=news

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 12:42 PM

JSP has put out a 5-CD set that contains (as far as I can tell) everything Poole recorded, including the Highlander recordings. Available from CAMSCO, of course. $27.50

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: Cool Beans
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 03:55 PM

That sneaky Loudon! I saw him in January at a club in Toronto and he never mentioned (or played) anything relating to Charlie Poole. It was just the usual Songs About Booze and Damaged Relationships. The man can keep a secret.

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 07:48 AM

Charlie Poole was great.he used to do a version of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmqpgT0ClK4&feature=channel_page

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 06:12 PM

I've been listening to the Louden Wainwright recordings the last few days and they are excellect. Well worth a listen.

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: Janie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 05:56 PM

I'm headed out in the morning to the Charlie Poole Festival. It's only about 45 minutes from my house but I have not been able to attend before. Looking forward to it.

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: open mike
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:47 PM

Here is more info about Loudon Wainwright III project with Dick Connette High, Wide and handsome: http://www.thecharliepooleproject.com/home.html

here is more info about the festival in Eden, No. Carolina
http://www.charlie-poole.com/

Subject: RE: Any Charlie Poole interest
From: GUEST,Eunice Rice - Eden, NC
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 05:53 PM

I have three Charlie Poole's Early Albums recorded between 1925 - 1930. One is a Limited Collectors Edition. One is County 540 - Volume 4, the Limited Edition is County 505 and the last one is The Legend of Charlie Poole all with the NC Ramblers and the last album I listed is 515. Lots of biography written on the back of all the albums. They all are 33 1/2 rpm.I inherited these from my Dad's Estate and would like to sell them if anyone is interested. Not sure what they are worth but for a Collector and a devout follower of Charlie Poole they should be worth quite a bit. I'd like to get at least $25.00 each from them. My email is [e-mail] if anyone is interested and the Charlie Poole Festival is this Friday and Sat. in the Spray area. June 8 and June 9. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Songs by Charlie Poole
From: GUEST,garoid
Date: 14 Nov 19 - 02:25 PM

It took me decades to find out that it was chinches (bedbugs) that danced around in Hungry Hash House.

Subject: RE: Songs by Charlie Poole
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Nov 19 - 09:49 AM

It took me finding this thread to realizeu the Baltimore fire song lyrics weren't Far, far...

Subject: RE: Songs by Charlie Poole
From: PHJim
Date: 17 Nov 19 - 12:13 PM

I have sung Charlie's "Goodbye Booze" using Mississippi John's style playing. It's the same tune/changes as "Creole Belle" or "Richland Woman".