BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 07:30 AM

Don't give this antisemitic, racist, dishonest moron the oxygen of publicity Steve
He's already blown was passed for his brains out, largely without our help.
He will reopen this pathetic thread as long as we respond
Let him rest in peace.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 07:34 AM

Deo gratias.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: bobad
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 08:57 AM

I post the short article that Keith linked to because it accurately describes the all too familiar method and motivation of some posters to this and other Israel hate threads: Not only does he explain why Israel's enemies choose the language of human rights, but he also reminds us that the central motivation of those critics is, quite simply, anti-Semitism.




Given that Israel is the freest nation in the Middle East and the only stable democracy there, the steady assault on Israel by human rights groups and by enemies of Israel using human rights language has always been particularly reprehensible.

But it has also been hard to understand: Why attack Israel precisely where its record is in fact exemplary by any international standard?

Rabbi Lord Jonathan Sacks has explained it, concisely. Speaking to the European Parliament in September, in a presentation titled "The Mutating Virus: Understanding Anti-Semitism," Sacks said this:

    Throughout history, when people have sought to justify anti-Semitism, they have done so by recourse to the highest source of authority available within the culture. In the Middle Ages, it was religion. So we had religious anti-Judaism.

    In post-Enlightenment Europe, it was science. So we had the twin foundations of Nazi ideology, Social Darwinism and the so-called Scientific Study of Race.

    Today, the highest source of authority worldwide is human rights. That is why Israel—the only fully functioning democracy in the Middle East, with a free press and independent judiciary—is regularly accused of the five cardinal sins against human rights: racism, apartheid, crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide.

Sacks's explanation is in fact doubly powerful. Not only does he explain why Israel's enemies choose the language of human rights, but he also reminds us that the central motivation of those critics is, quite simply, anti-Semitism. As he explained:

    Anti-Semitism means denying the right of Jews to exist collectively as Jews with the same rights as everyone else. It takes different forms in different ages. In the Middle Ages, Jews were hated because of their religion. In the 19th and early 20th century, they were hated because of their race.

    Today, they are hated because of their nation-state, the state of Israel. It takes different forms, but it remains the same thing: the view that Jews have no right to exist as free and equal human beings.

His conclusion is stark:

    It was Jews, not Israelis, who were murdered in terrorist attacks in Toulouse, Paris, Brussels and Copenhagen. Anti-Zionism is the anti-Semitism of our time.

Elliott Abrams is senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 02:36 PM

Steve,
I'll tell my friends but I won't tell you, so just shut up.

You made your claim here, but you will not justify it here.
There can only be two reasons.
Either your claim was just another of your whims based on nothing,
or you are ashamed to lay out your reasoning here in public.
Only to your like minded friends.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 03:19 PM

Israeli Lobbies


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-truth-about-the-uks-powerful-jewish-lobbies-9702262.html
Britain

AMERICA

EUROPE

CANADA

AUSTRALIA


http://www.globalresearch.ca/whos-afraid-of-the-israel-lobby/5436712
General
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/introlobby.html
America

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-truth-about-the-uks-powerful-jewish-lobbies-9702262.html
Britain

http://dvcronin.blogspot.ie/2010/11/how-israel-lobby-dictates-eu-policy.html
Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Engler
Canada

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.586788
Australia

http://www.globalresearch.ca/whos-afraid-of-the-israel-lobby/5436712
General



http://dvcronin.blogspot.ie/2010/11/how-israel-lobby-dictates-eu-policy.html
Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Engler
Canada

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.586788
Australia

http://www.globalresearch.ca/whos-afraid-of-the-israel-lobby/5436712
General

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 08:32 PM

Ah yes. The good Chief Rabbi. As always, Jonathan, he of soft voice and Thought For The Day, is obsessed with being defensive about Israel (fair dos - that's his job) but he has nothing to say about the plight of the Palestinians both in Israel and in Gaza. Poor old Jonathan doesn't know Jack shit about science either, does he? Rabbis and archbishops should stick to religion. They get the oxygen of publicity, totally undeserved, because of their eminence in their respective faiths. I think I'd rather listen to the England cricket captain, frankly.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 04:03 AM

Whoops
CANADA'S SLAVISH SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 05:24 PM

(fair dos - that's his job)

No. He is a rabbi, not a political activist (unlike Yves Engler who Jim just linked too. Whoops.)

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 05:50 PM

Then why is he commenting on politics one-sidedly from his position of authority, a position that gives him access to publicity for his opinions?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 06:43 PM

"Whoops"
Are you really challenging all those links?
Unbelievable
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 06:45 PM

After every 'Friends of Israel' link you have put up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 07:39 PM

The Non-political Jonathan Sachs
"But his public image belies a more complex character, often seen as too much under the thumb of the Orthodox right. Perhaps his least attractive side was revealed in his refusal to attend the funeral of the widely popular Rabbi Hugo Gryn. Unwilling to dignify a Reform event with his presence, he agreed to attend a memorial service in recognition of his fellow Radio 4-er "not as a Reform rabbi but as a survivor of the Holocaust". Being a member of the Reform movement, Rabbi Gryn was a part of a "false grouping" and one of "those who destroy the faith", Lord Sacks wrote in subsequently leaked private correspondence. Reform rabbis reacted angrily: "It seems that, constantly, the chief rabbinate is forced into two conversations, embodying two sets of language and two messages tailored to the respective recipients."

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 08:15 PM

More non-politics of Jonothhan Sacks
ON BDS
ON GAZA
ON GAZA AGAIN
"ANTI - ZIONISTS ARE ANTI SEMITES"
DEHUMANISING PALESTINIANS
And
THE ISRAELI LOBBY and the CANADIAN ELECTIONS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 09:25 AM

Well, HERE'S what anti-semitism means! This appointment:

Groups Decry Trump's Newly Appointed Chief Strategist

The Anti-Defamation League also spoke out against Bannon."It is a sad day when a man who presided over the premier website of the 'alt-right' — a loose-knit group of white nationalists and unabashed anti-Semites and racists — is slated to be a senior staff member in the 'people's house,'" ADL head Jonathan Greenblatt said in a statement.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-s-pick-steve-bannon-chief-strategist-sparks-backlash-n683386

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 03:30 PM

Like all of us he has views, but he is Rabbi not a political activist like, say, Yves Engler.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 04:52 PM

What about Trump and his anti-semitic pals, Professor??

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 07:27 PM

How long did you live in Palstine?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 08:14 PM

"Like all of us he has views, but he is Rabbi not a political activist like, say, Yves Engler."
Sacks is politically motivated - he is "in the hands of the Zionist Right"
He was a politico - the picture you paint of him is a total distortion - his nickname was http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/.premium-1.544593 - just like Tony Blair.
You have based your entire attack on the Labour Party o the claims of "political activists" - 'Friends of Israel' and right wing Labour Party Members in particular - now you are saying that the word of political activists is unacceptable - what right-wing ego trip are you on Keith - who do you think yo are to claim we can only rely on the word of your political activists?
It deoesn't matter anyway - your damand to know what influence the Israeli Lobby has on world politics ahs been well and truely answered - the only response you cam make is silence
Another reply to ignore - theis time by a former CIA officer and anti-terrorist expert.
NEARLY EVERY WESTERN COUNTRY HAS an ISRAELI LOBBY
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 08:16 PM

DUTCH DOCUMENTARY
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 10:17 AM

Sacks is politically motivated - he is "in the hands of the Zionist Right"

Really? How do you know this?

Of course Labour Party members are "political activists" Jim, and all the claims about Labour anti Semitism came from members.


Sadiq Khan is not in Friends of Israel, and if he were his views would still be valid.
The entire NEC are not all Right Wing Friends of Israel either.

Labour is by definition of the Left.

And yes, all decent democracies have an Israel lobby, and they are all on warm and friendly terms with Israel, as they would not be to a state guilty of all the shit you claim!

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 10:34 AM

"Really? How do you know this?"
You've just been given a bundle of information on him - "made up Carroll shit" I suppose?
Then why question information on the activities of the Israeli Lobby in canada because it came from "an activist"?
"and if he were his views would still be valid."
Not again Keith - no views are valid unless they come with evidence ande examples - you and they have provided none.
You claimed it was because the Jewish politicians have suppressed it for the sake of the party - why is a reason why you are an antisemite.
When Steve mentioned the Lobbies you immediately said "so it was a conspiracy of Jews"
Your obsessive habit of linking "Jews" to Israeli crimes is sick, sick, sick, and while you continue you will have once more answered Mac's question - Antisemitism is what you deal in.
You've been given a whole bundle of information on how they influence the policies of those countries adversely - which is what you asked for.
Piss off Keith - you have shit in your own nest one hundred times over, which will do nicely for me.
Byee
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 10:57 AM

Jim, you have produced nothing that says Sachs is "in the hands of the Zionist Right."

Like most people, he is sympathetic to Israel.

Not again Keith - no views are valid unless they come with evidence ande examples - you and they have provided none.

There was enough evidence to convince and appal the "entire NEC."
That is who the complaints were made to.
It was dealt with as an internal matter.

Your obsessive habit of linking "Jews" to Israeli crimes is sick, sick, sick,

I have never done that, but you refuse to acknowledge that the majority of Jews in Israel are ordinary, decent people. That is racist.
You also attempted to use the behaviour of a few individuals to stigmatise all Israeli Jews. That too is racist.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 11:08 AM

Piss off Keith - you are done here
No amount of repetition of old arguments are going to change that - unless you can inven another 'Jewish Plot' maybe
Read the information on Sacks fully rather with your usual selectivity
You really are the extremest limit
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 11:18 AM

Jim, you lose.

Greg,
What about Trump and his anti-semitic pals, Professor??

I deplore anti-Semitism in all its forms Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 12:33 PM

ISRAELI WAR CRIMES
MORE
BREAKING THE SILENCE

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 12:39 PM

HOW THE ISRAELI LOBBY WORKS
SETTLEMENTS ARE WAR CRIMES - official
HELP!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 02:57 PM

Haaretz

Universal law on crimes against humanity

haaretz
Confined to base
If the army in Israel is above the law, then all of us should be ashamed to show our faces in the world. But if the state demands of its army officers that they obey the law then it should supply the required legal protection both at home and abroad
By Anshel Pfeffer

For five years now, Israeli governments have been trying to change the situation through pressure on 10 Downing Street. Meanwhile, senior officers no longer go for a year's study or participate in seminars and study programs at the prestigious strategic research institutes in Britain. Even the previous IDF spokesman, Avi Benayahu, went to lecture in London under an assumed name.
The Israeli approach is mistaken from the start. The principle of universal jurisdiction, which makes it possible to prosecute people suspected of crimes against humanity in any place in the world, is not necessarily immoral, and the legal claims in its favor are not much different from those that justified legislating the law against bringing Nazi criminals to justice. In any case, Israel does not have the right to intervene in the affairs of another sovereign state and to demand that it change its laws.
The problem with the universal jurisdiction laws in Britain lies with the way in which they enable opponents of Israel to draw public and media attention and to pursue IDF officers, in particular, among all the representatives of the world's nations that visit London. But the mockery of British law is a British problem. Israel is not supposed to fight against it through diplomatic pressure but rather by legal means.
The Military Advocate General, Maj. Gen. Avichai Mandelblit, has repeatedly said that the IDF knows how to examine itself and, when necessary, to put on trial and punish soldiers and officers that have committed crimes. And in all instances, the military judicial system is subordinate in every respect and issue to the Supreme Court, and every person – Israeli or foreigner – can petition the High Court of Justice against the army.
If this is the case, and on the face of it the latest remarks by Judge Richard Goldstone uphold this, there is no need to fear universal jurisdiction which is customary only against those whose countries do not investigate their deeds or bring them to trial.
What would go on trial in London, together with an IDF officer who commanded a controversial operation, would be the entire Israeli judicial system. Instead of the Foreign Ministry advising an officer to remain in Israel as if he has something to hide, the Israeli embassy must find itself a competent attorney who at any time could go out and demand the immediate cancelation of an arrest warrant against an officer or senior Israeli official. He will use just one argument: Anyone who feels that the IDF had committed a crime toward him has the right to turn to the Supreme Court in Jerusalem. Thanks to Israeli human rights organizations such as B'Tselem and Yesh Din, there are a great many precedents of this kind.
If the army in Israel is above the law, then all of us should be ashamed to show our faces in the world. But if indeed the state demands of its army officers that they obey the laws of the land in carrying out their duty – and if they fail to do so, brings them to trial – then the state is also obliged to supply its officers with the required legal protection when they are abroad as well, and not to confine them to base.

The decision to leave the prime minister's military aide, Maj. Gen. Yohanan Locker, at home last week – to avoid the risk that the officer might be arrested during Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to London – was the climax of a prolonged national disgrace. Locker served as deputy commander of the Air Force during Operation Cast Lead and thus risked facing prosecution in Britain over allegations of war crimes. Like underground fighters during the Mandate, officers of the Israel Defense Forces have to act like escaped criminals for fear of the British.
David Cameron is the third British prime minister who has promised Israeli leaders he will bring about a change in the law that makes it possible for courts in the United Kingdom to issue arrest warrants against senior Israeli figures on suspicion of war crimes. But like his predecessors, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, Cameron is wary of a confrontation with the backbenchers in Parliament over an unpopular issue such as assisting Israeli officers to avoid taking responsibility for their conduct toward the Palestinian people.
For five years now, Israeli governments have been trying to change the situation through pressure on 10 Downing Street. Meanwhile, senior officers no longer go for a year's study or participate in seminars and study programs at the prestigious strategic research institutes in Britain. Even the previous IDF spokesman, Avi Benayahu, went to lecture in London under an assumed name.
The Israeli approach is mistaken from the start. The principle of universal jurisdiction, which makes it possible to prosecute people suspected of crimes against humanity in any place in the world, is not necessarily immoral, and the legal claims in its favor are not much different from those that justified legislating the law against bringing Nazi criminals to justice. In any case, Israel does not have the right to intervene in the affairs of another sovereign state and to demand that it change its laws.
The problem with the universal jurisdiction laws in Britain lies with the way in which they enable opponents of Israel to draw public and media attention and to pursue IDF officers, in particular, among all the representatives of the world's nations that visit London. But the mockery of British law is a British problem. Israel is not supposed to fight against it through diplomatic pressure but rather by legal means.
The Military Advocate General, Maj. Gen. Avichai Mandelblit, has repeatedly said that the IDF knows how to examine itself and, when necessary, to put on trial and punish soldiers and officers that have committed crimes. And in all instances, the military judicial system is subordinate in every respect and issue to the Supreme Court, and every person – Israeli or foreigner – can petition the High Court of Justice against the army.
If this is the case, and on the face of it the latest remarks by Judge Richard Goldstone uphold this, there is no need to fear universal jurisdiction which is customary only against those whose countries do not investigate their deeds or bring them to trial.
What would go on trial in London, together with an IDF officer who commanded a controversial operation, would be the entire Israeli judicial system. Instead of the Foreign Ministry advising an officer to remain in Israel as if he has something to hide, the Israeli embassy must find itself a competent attorney who at any time could go out and demand the immediate cancelation of an arrest warrant against an officer or senior Israeli official. He will use just one argument: Anyone who feels that the IDF had committed a crime toward him has the right to turn to the Supreme Court in Jerusalem. Thanks to Israeli human rights organizations such as B'Tselem and Yesh Din, there are a great many precedents of this kind.
If the army in Israel is above the law, then all of us should be ashamed to show our faces in the world. But if indeed the state demands of its army officers that they obey the laws of the land in carrying out their duty – and if they fail to do so, brings them to trial – then the state is also obliged to supply its officers with the required legal protection when they are abroad as well, and not to confine them to base.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 10:40 AM

Jim, you are obsessed.
This thread is not about Israel!
Start a thread and we will see if you can make a case this time.

Meanwhile, this thread is about anti-Semitism, which you have indulged in to provide us with prime examples.

You refuse to acknowledge that the majority of Jews in Israel are ordinary, decent people. That is racist.
You also attempted to use the behaviour of a few individuals to stigmatise all Israeli Jews. That too is racist.

Steve has given us the classic anti-Semitic trope of the Jews controlling our governments, except that he substituted "pro-Israel lobby" for Jews, and he refuses to say how they do it.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 10:52 AM

to say how they do it.

Magic, Professor. Jewish Magic.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 10:56 AM

"This thread is not about Israel!"
Israel is using antisemitism as a defence against war crimes and human rights abuses
You are quite happy to defend Israel here until you run into trouble - then out comes your censor's pencil
Nobody is attacking the majority of the people - the problem is the terrorist leadership you are defending
As long as you do I will provide my examples.
Learn your lesson - if you can't stand the heat....
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 11:10 AM

Nobody is attacking the majority of the people - the problem is the terrorist leadership you are defending

Your videos did not portray the leadership.

You are quite happy to defend Israel here until you run into trouble

No. I have objected all along to your attempts to hijack this thread.

the problem is the terrorist leadership you are defending

If you mean Israel's democratically elected government, I have not defended them.
I do sometimes put Israel's side of the story. Do you object to that?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 12:12 PM

You really are a self-harmer.
PERSECUTION and the REALITY of TODAY'S ANTISEMITISM
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 12:31 PM

ZIONISM, RACISM and the PALESTINIAN PEOPLE

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 12:59 PM

+Keith, what is the value of this discussion other than supplying inertia to Jim's preferences.

Who is the Jew hater here and why. Or is this merely an historic retrospective.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 01:06 PM

"Who is the Jew hater here and why"
"Those videos you linked to did only show ordinary Jews, not government officials."
Question answered
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: bobad
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 02:46 PM

The Oxford dictionary international word of the year for 2016 is "post-truth" defined by the dictionary as "relating to or denoting circumstances in which objective facts are less influential in shaping public opinion than appeals to emotion and personal belief."

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 02:54 PM

How do they define PresentBubo?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 03:01 PM

I get the feeling this thread is hate speech and angry one upmanship.

Or is it tradition for you guys?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 03:22 PM

"I get the feeling this thread is hate speech and angry one upmanship."
Then respond to the wide range of statements from Jews and non-Jews alike
You supported Keith's 'Jewish pact of silence' claim about Jewish politicians
How do you reconcile that with your claimed support for the Jewish People
If I had made such a statement you could have claimed my offer of a donation to your charity - you haven't.
If you could have found one example of my attacking the Jewish People you could have claimed my offer of a donation to your charity - you haven't.
This has nothing to do with "hate speech" unless you consider my rage at how Israeli administrations have systematically destroyed 'the dream of a Jewish State.
If you had any interest in the Jewish People as a whole you would have objected to Keith's 'Jewish plot' theory regarding British Labour politicians - you refused to comment.
This is about humanitarian left versus extremist right in realtion to what is happening in the Middle East.
The behaviour of you and Keith in regard to this matter is confirmation of your supporting the Israeli extreme right rather than Jewish people.
The fact that you automatically accuse anybody criticising the political stance of the Israeli Government makes you antisemitic by the definition you put up -
"Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel."
That is exactly what you are doing by claiming criticism of Israeli policy is antisemitic.
REPORT BY ANTISEMITIC AMNESTY
The fact that you will now ignore everything contained here is further evidence of your disinterest in the well-being off the Jewish people
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 03:30 PM

Sorry Donuel
Mistook your posting for Bobads - but feel free to respond to any of the points made if you wish to accuse me of antisemitism or one upmanship.
I grew up in a household that was deeply involved with Jews in their fight against the antisemitic demonstrations of the thirties.
I was involved with families of Holocaust survivors in the North of England, one of whom was the first to use the term "a bunch of fascist" to describe the Israeli leadership.
I have read some of your postings with admiration over the last week - please don't spoil it by joining in with this bunch of antisemitic cowards.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Nov 16 - 06:48 AM

Jim,
If you could have found one example of my attacking the Jewish People

You posted videos of a few Jews supposedly behaving badly, and said that they showed what Israel is like.
It is not, because most Jews are decent people who would never behave like that and would, and did, denounce such behaviour.

Donuel,
Keith, what is the value of this discussion

What is the value of any discussion?
I engage in it to challenge views I disagree with, and in this case to expose bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Nov 16 - 11:26 AM

Israel's Alarming Settlement Bill
NOV. 17, 2016

Right-wing Israeli politicians see Donald Trump's election as helpful toward their goal of burying the prospect of a Palestinian state. On Wednesday, Israeli lawmakers gave preliminary approval to a bill that would retroactively legalize settlements built on private Palestinian land in the West Bank. The bill is intended to prevent the court-ordered demolition of an illegal outpost by Dec. 25.

Education Minister Naftali Bennett, who heads the Jewish Home party, the most ardent supporter of settlements, proclaimed that "the era of the Palestinian state is over."

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu opposes the bill and Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit has said it violates international law.

So I guess that Netanyahu and Mandelblit have shown themselves as anti-semites? Or are they just self-hating Jews?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 16 - 12:15 PM

"Those videos you linked to did only show ordinary Jews, not government officials."
"and said that they showed what Israel is like."
That is what is happening in Israel today - and a lot more - where was it happening; Outer Mongolia?
ISRAEL'S CRIMES AGAINST PALESTINIANS
"What is the value of any discussion?"
No discussion - just examples and denials
And it will continue until you stop
CRIMES AGAINST the PALESTINIANS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 16 - 12:32 PM

SETTLER VIOLENCE
SETTLER VIOLENCE - LACK of ACCOUNTABILITY
UPDATE on SETTLER VIOLENCE U.N.

More to come, if you want
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 16 - 12:41 PM

CRIMINALISING CRITICISM of ISRAEL in CANADA
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Nov 16 - 01:38 PM

ISRAELI SOLDIERS' TESTIMONIES of WAR CRIMINALITY
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: bobad
Date: 17 Nov 16 - 05:23 PM

Sick, obsessed, little man.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Nov 16 - 05:58 PM

So, Bubo - what about 17 Nov 16 - 11:26 AM ??

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: bobad
Date: 17 Nov 16 - 07:21 PM

From The Times of Israel:

At the opening to the Anti-Defamation League's conference on anti-Semitism, the organization's national director said anti-Jewish hatred in America is worse than at any point since the 1930s.

Jonathan Greenblatt, speaking Thursday at the opening of the ADL's "Never Is Now" summit in New York, said currents on both the far-right and far-left have led to anti-Semitism's resurgence. He mentioned the platform of the Movement for Black Lives published this year that accused Israel of genocide.

Greenblatt also detailed the anti-Semitic attacks that rose during the 2016 presidential campaign, mentioning the appointment of Stephen Bannon as the chief strategist to President-elect Donald Trump. Bannon was the chairman of Breitbart News, a website Bannon called the "platform for the alt-right," a loose movement of the far-right whose followers traffic variously in white nationalism, anti-immigration sentiment, anti-Semitism and a disdain for "political correctness."

"The American Jewish community, our community, has not seen this level of anti-Semitism in mainstream political and public discourse since the 1930s," Greenblatt said. "Sadly, it is only being matched with escalating levels of hate toward other minorities today."

Addressing reports that Trump's transition team is considering creating a registry of Muslims in the United States, Greenblatt pledged that he would sign up as a Muslim. He referred to the apocryphal story about the king of Denmark promising to wear a yellow star if it would be required of the Scandinavian country's Jews.

"As Jews, we know what it means to be registered, or targeted, held out as different from our fellow citizens," Greenblatt said. "We as Jews know the right and just response. I pledge to you right here and now, because I'm committed to the fight against anti-Semitism, if one day American Muslims will be forced to register their identity, that is the day this proud Jew will register as a Muslim."

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 16 - 05:16 AM

The rise in Antisemitism is due entirely to the Israeli tactic of linking their own activities to The Jewish People and describing criticism of its policies as "Antisemitic"
Antisemitism is an exclusively right-wing phenomenon, fought against by the left - The left movement was founded with the help of Jews fleeing persecution, Jews played a major part in The Spanish Civil War and other antifascist groups, alongside Labour Party members and Communists.
The present rise in fascism is due to the sharp swing to the right taken by some countries, particularly Britain and America, who have fueled that swing on xenophobia and racism.
There is a chance that next year will see a France headed by a fascist party led by one of the leading antisemitic families in Europe - the LePens.
One of the major problems with recognising antisemitism today is that Israel's using it as a defence of their murderous activities has made the term virtually meaningless.
"Sick, obsessed, little man."
Cowardly, antisemitic Troll
Jim Carroll