BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 06:29 AM

bubblyrat wrote: "but it seems to me that the "punishment" is a bit severe.I mean,why punish the mother,and,therefore,by extension,the son,who may well be now rendered even more vulnerable and confused after Mummy's sudden departure ??"

Even more vulnerable and confused? The person that was 13-year-old at the time is now 17 or 18. I doubt very much that he's stood at the window with hot tears streaming down his face wondering where "Mummy" is and when she's coming home. You're making it sound like he'd be a little kid. I think, if anything, "Mummy" is probably lucky this young man hasn't turned around and given "Mummy" a good hiding for what she's done now that he's not so little.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 06:54 AM

Here's an update on the inolvement of Mena Bean Ui Chribin: Ultra-catholics under fire over horror house

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 06:57 AM

I think possibly one of the saddest elements in this case, is that the children wouldn't have been spirited away by insensitive authorities to some anonymous chidrens home, but that they had a *close female blood relative* (the mothers sister) with whom they were already living part-time, who wanted to raise them permenently in her own home...

With the aid of some interfering Catholic busy body, the abusive biological mother succesfully prevented them going to a secure and loving home with an Aunt who they evidently knew well, and who genuinely cared for them.

But seriously, is there any point even replying to comments from posters who evidently have dog shit for brains?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 07:26 AM

Sleepy Rosie wrote: "think possibly one of the saddest elements in this case, is that the children wouldn't have been spirited away by insensitive authorities to some anonymous chidrens home, but that they had a *close female blood relative*"

That's one aspect I'm struggling with myself. If the aim of Mena Bean Ui Chribin was to keep the family together - which I think is misguided to say the least when applied to circumstances like these - then I think it's peculiar that local, immediate relatives are disregarded like this. Their intentions seem to had exactly the opposite effect. Whereas the kids could have spent the last 'x amount of years' together, living locally with kin, they're now broken up living in separate homes &c.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 07:57 AM

Well it begs the question doesn't it. Did this Mena woman actually know *anything* about the specifics of the case which she intervened in?

And which is worse?

Her intervening *with no knowledge* of the specifics, purely for the purposes of promoting her religiously fueled agenda?
Or intervening *with knowledge* of the specifics, purely for the purpose of promoting her religiously fueled agenda?

In any event from comments she has made, she appears to harbour a serious antipathy towards unmarried families. It seems pretty clear that she would have had no interest in becoming involved in the case, had the parents not been married. Thus keeping the "family" together, seems something of a side-issue altogether.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: jacqui.c
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 09:30 AM

Having read through this thread and noted the discussion on imprisoning this woman one thing occurs to me.

The one really good reason that I can see for putting this woman behind bars is that her children will be given a modicum of security that she's not out there looking for a way to get them back or to do them more harm.

Now, to a rational adult, that would probably not seem to be likely but, to a child who had to suffer through years of ill treatment and abuse, who can say what their fears are. The knowledge that Mommy Dearest CANNOT get at them has got to be worth whatever it costs to keep her there.

At the same time she will, hopefully, be dried out by the time she comes out and maybe have had some sort of treatment for her addiction and perversion.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 01:16 PM

hang on,havent the children been in care since 2004/
the HSE are responsible,not any catholic organisation,the hse are just trying to pass the buck.
final decisions rest with the HSE,So another organisation trys to stop ther family being split up.
here is what the HSE should have done,contacted the organisation,to see how much detail they knew of the case,then come to a decision,that they didnt know much, then ignored mena bean organisation,and put the family members into care.
the HSE and no one else is responsible,they make the decisions.
MENA BEAN are a red herring and irrelevant .

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: MartinRyan
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 01:21 PM

I'm afraid Bean Uí Chroibín is almost certainly a red herring. As I understand it, when the mother sought her High Court injunction it was ex parte i.e. in the absence of the other party (the Health Board, at the time). The judge, in effect, made a temporary decision, pending a challenge. The Health Board failed to challenge it - and I doubt if a single letter from an activist was the reason. It will be interesting to see the results of the promised enquiry.

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 02:45 PM

There was an insightful and extremely convincing article in yesterday's Sunday Times (Irish edition presumably) based on an interview with Bean Uí Chroibín, which makes it quite clear that she is not somebody whose voice would have carried any weight on this case (dirty, smelly and a fruitcake were the descriptions, I seem to remember).
The mother in question is obviously somebody with her own problems, alcoholism not being the largest of them.
The social services and the courts have obviously let the affair slip through their nets.
It has to be asked why the local authorities, the church, the police nor the neighbours did not take up something that has been going on for so long.
There is a frightening tendency for some people to knee-jerk when something like what today's Irish Times describes as an extremely complicated case hits the fan. Before people start throwing the rope over the branch and dragging the prisoner out of the jailhouse, perhaps it might be wiser to wait until we know the full facts.
Going half-arsed at this in order to find a scapegoat is not only unjust, it leaves it open for the same thing to happen again.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 02:49 PM

PS Re 'Irish woman jailed for incest' - it needs also to be remembered that a similar case, with much more violent connotations was concluded last week in the Scottish courts - as I said earlier, incest, rape and abuse of any kind recognises no social, denominational or national borders.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 04:28 AM

Noa's Blog

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 04:40 AM

Sorry, I pressed 'submit' in error there...

Yesterday I discoverd the beautiful music of Noa Bursie...and this morning, I read her blog, which I've posted above..

This is her main page:
Noa Bursie


I needed to put her words down in this thread, not only for those who have been so wounded by things that have happened to them, and who have, so bravely, put their own words down on here...but for those who seem to think that this woman's son will regard it all as a bit of joke...

They have not an ounce of understanding in their souls....

My mother, it took 57 years for it come out, with her.

My best friend's sister in law, staggeringly beautiful, staggeringly intelligent, staggeringly emotionally bruised and battered.

My former boss's wife, who rose to be Dean of her hospital, but at night was often to be found curled up in the foetal position on her bedroom floor, trying to protect herself. It spilled out of her on the day they took me out to dinner, just prior to me leaving to have my first child. A whole group of us, their best friends amongst them...none of them ever knew before, had any inkling..until that moment, when she just needed to tell people, other than her dear husband, who'd known since he first met her.

It is the children who matter here. Only the children.

Once the perpertrators have crossed that line, they have lost any sympathy from me.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Woman Jailed For Incest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 03:53 PM

its an easy 'out' to take the moral high ground. call people monsters - undeserving of compassion.

As jim points out the story could be repeated ad infinitum many places in the british isles, and one suspects all over the world. Its not an irish problem specifically.

the story is basically about people who a feel excluded and become depraved; lose sight of the moral stop signs.

It isn't just the children who matter - its all the human beings buried in these situations.

theres all kinds of ways to fail as a human being. don't be in too much of a rush to claim superiority for your route to damnation.