Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafesj

Post to this Thread - Printer Friendly - Home
Page: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]


BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!

Little Hawk 03 Jul 09 - 11:36 PM
Amergin 03 Jul 09 - 11:53 PM
Genie 03 Jul 09 - 11:59 PM
Alice 04 Jul 09 - 12:28 AM
Barry Finn 04 Jul 09 - 12:34 AM
Peace 04 Jul 09 - 12:43 AM
Stilly River Sage 04 Jul 09 - 12:55 AM
Peace 04 Jul 09 - 01:49 AM
Genie 04 Jul 09 - 02:00 AM
GUEST,JJ 04 Jul 09 - 02:51 AM
Ebbie 04 Jul 09 - 04:12 AM
Riginslinger 04 Jul 09 - 07:15 AM
Ron Davies 04 Jul 09 - 09:12 AM
Greg F. 04 Jul 09 - 09:14 AM
Alice 04 Jul 09 - 10:23 AM
Charley Noble 04 Jul 09 - 10:41 AM
Alice 04 Jul 09 - 10:56 AM
catspaw49 04 Jul 09 - 11:03 AM
Riginslinger 04 Jul 09 - 11:10 AM
dick greenhaus 04 Jul 09 - 11:13 AM
Ebbie 04 Jul 09 - 11:28 AM
Bobert 04 Jul 09 - 11:53 AM
Bill D 04 Jul 09 - 12:29 PM
Ron Davies 04 Jul 09 - 01:55 PM
Alice 04 Jul 09 - 02:12 PM
Ebbie 04 Jul 09 - 02:23 PM
Ebbie 04 Jul 09 - 02:33 PM
robomatic 04 Jul 09 - 02:39 PM
Riginslinger 04 Jul 09 - 02:58 PM
Genie 04 Jul 09 - 05:01 PM
Peter T. 04 Jul 09 - 06:21 PM
Ebbie 04 Jul 09 - 06:23 PM
SharonA 04 Jul 09 - 06:40 PM
Alice 04 Jul 09 - 07:16 PM
Riginslinger 04 Jul 09 - 09:11 PM
Riginslinger 04 Jul 09 - 09:25 PM
pdq 04 Jul 09 - 09:42 PM
Genie 04 Jul 09 - 10:16 PM
Ron Davies 04 Jul 09 - 10:55 PM
Riginslinger 05 Jul 09 - 01:14 AM
bet 05 Jul 09 - 01:40 AM
katlaughing 05 Jul 09 - 01:45 AM
SharonA 05 Jul 09 - 03:21 AM
Genie 05 Jul 09 - 03:32 AM
Genie 05 Jul 09 - 03:39 AM
Richard Bridge 05 Jul 09 - 03:41 AM
Ebbie 05 Jul 09 - 03:48 AM
Riginslinger 05 Jul 09 - 06:50 AM
SharonA 05 Jul 09 - 08:03 AM
Riginslinger 05 Jul 09 - 08:32 AM

Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum Child
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:













Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:36 PM

You're right, Rapaire. I lost it for a minute there. I was white hot with tooth-grinding fury over Spaw's insulting remarks about Mrs Palin. Okay, I'm choosing you as my second if that's all right? Contact Spaw's second and make the necessary martial arrangements. I'm busy at the Mariposa Folk Festival this weekend, but we can pursue this unfortunate matter after that.

I am okay with knives, guns, swords, rubber chickens, noogies, and spitballs...any of those will do fine.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Amergin
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:53 PM

How much do you want to bet that the party told her the time was up?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Genie
Date: 03 Jul 09 - 11:59 PM

Well, some are speculating that she wants to step down to devote more time gearing up to run for the White House in 2012, but other political insiders are saying that a move like this would probably seriously undermine her chances as a Presidential candidate.
I'm inclined to believe the latter.   She wasn't exactly highly qualified as a VP candidate last fall (considering that the VP might have to take over as President at any time). She had no national political experience and only 2 years as Governor, of a very small state (population-wise), and, unlike many other governors and US Senators, she did not have a solid background in either law or business.    Had she stayed on as Alaska's governor till the end of her term and then been re-elected, or had she gone from the governorship to maybe being a Senator from Alaska, she would have had much better credentials as a Presidential candidate 3 1/2 years from now.   This doesn't seem to be a wise move if she aspires to national office.
And resigning from your elected post without any obvious good reason doesn't inspire confidence in one's commitment and sense of responsibility.

But who knows? Maybe she'll still run for the Senate later.

Apparently she and Todd are deeply in debt due to legal expenses. Maybe she's gonna write books and be the next Ann Coulter or go on the rubber-chicken circuit as a public speaker or become a rich lobbyist for the oil or turkey industries?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Alice
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 12:28 AM

She's resigning before the real s*** hits the fan:

From Alaska, The Oxdown Gazette,

Edward Teller
Update:

"Here's a quote I got from law enforcement here in Alaska yesterday afternoon regarding Palin "a criminal indictment is pending authorization."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Barry Finn
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 12:34 AM

Or maybe she'll just start running. Opps, looks like she's already started running.

"O Shara Palin where ya gonna run too (3x), all on that day"

"Run to the pipeline, pipeline won't ya hide me (3x), I am not gay"

"Run to the ridge, ridge won't ya hide me (3x), the wolf for to slay"

Run to Russia, Russia won't ya hide me (3x), not on a clear day

Run for MaCain, MaCain won't ya hide me (3x), please go away"

Devil said Palin, Palin come & see me (3x), I'll play you'll pay"

Shara's gone down on the devil, the Devil is a-smiling (3x), till judgement day"

"The sun is going down on her home town, just like they say a good thing never lasts"

Barry


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 12:43 AM

She has the runs?

Strawberry leaves as a tea.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 12:55 AM

it rambles like a paragraph from Faulkner or Joyce.

Rig, you are seriously confusing stream of consciousness with something else. Faulkner and Palin shouldn't be mentioned together in the same breath when it comes to intellect and writing skills. Faulkner is perfectly clear and lucid; I haven't read Joyce. I can't stand to read Palin.

Sarah Palin is a beautiful woman, and makes great eye contact and speaks clearly. People shouldn't confuse that outward communication with intellect or ability, yet her core group of admirers apparently do just that.

She's in such a hurry to get out, I wonder if she's hoping for some big job offer to help pay for those legal bills, a job that will keep her in the public eye?

SRS


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 01:49 AM

I disagree that she's beautiful. Calculation in her eyes--they speak volumes. And her remarks make her close to ugly, imo.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Genie
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 02:00 AM

Wunnerful, wunnerful, Barry! ROFL


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: GUEST,JJ
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 02:51 AM

What a shame - she's a wonderful source of entertainment to us on the right-hand side of the Atlantic!

JJ


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 04:12 AM

(Mystery of mysteries- the thread I had refreshed (Sarah Palin is at it again) several hours before this one is back in archives and it appears that today's (July 3) has disappeared. A glitch? But not to worry- if this is the thread everyone wants I'll join ya. Ya betcha.)

Nitpick with the title of this thread: Sarah Palin HAS resigned, EFFECTIVE July 6.

Tonight at music we talked about whether she will be here in Juneau for the 50th Statehood Anniversary. Some said she is here, as of today, that they'd heard someone say that. Others, like me, said they would take a bet on it that she won't appear. Can you imagine the questions she would have to field. I wouldn't be surprised if national newspeople were also here.

Unless it is attention she craves?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 07:15 AM

"Faulkner is perfectly clear and lucid..."

          Yeah, but you have to read several pages--sometimes the whole book--to get there. My point is, the media is calling her remarks "rambling." It appears that way, but everything she said had a point.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 09:12 AM

Rig, get those stars out of your eyes --(even though it's the 4th).   Sarah still believes that drivel about those who don't support her being un-American, and the drivel about Armageddon, and the drivel about abstinence as the solution to teenage pregnancy and.....


Sounds like the question is: how much of this do you believe?


Point is: she already has a big national fan base and can now likely pick up some erstwhile financial supporters of Sanford by declaring she won't be occupied as governor of Alaska in 2012. Consider EMILY (Early Money Is LIke Yeast) on the Democratic side. That's true across the political spectrum.

And the Neanderthals who supported her in 2008 are ready to do so again.   Does that by any chance include you?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 09:14 AM

If only someone could figure out what that point IS.

Palin was, is now, and ever shall be an idiot.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Alice
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 10:23 AM

A criminal indictment of Palin is pending authorization in Alaska - Palin actually looked anxious and worried in her statement, and soon we will know why.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 10:41 AM

Barry-

I thought I heard the old man say,
"By, by, my Sarah Palin;
You're bound to run another day,
But you won't be Gov tomorrow!"

Another old shanty brought up to date. I'm not sure if it's best used for heavin' or haulin', or just catching crabs!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Alice
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 10:56 AM

the "ICEBERG"

--- In Alaska it's become known as "the iceberg." The iceburg is rumored to be a piece of news that's so damaging, and so big, it will sink the S.S. Palin. The rumors also exist that it's coming soon. Speculation about IRS problems, issues with other three-letter organizations, more ethics complaints, and embezzlement abound. Questions have been raised about the construction of Palin's house by a bunch of Todd's buddies, at the same time that a giant sports complex was being built in Wasilla, and right after building codes had been abolished by the then mayor of Wasilla, one Sarah Palin. ----------


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:03 AM

Sounds as if my earlier post regarding her rectal resizing may be more true that I joked! If even a forth of this stuff is true, she's gonna get her ass reamed but good!   

I can't wait.   Hopefully it spills over onto her husband as well.

Spaw


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:10 AM

Well, that explains the whole thing. She needs time to be convicted and the un-convicted, like Ted Stevens, before she can go on. The IRS shouldn't be a problem, she could follow the lead of all those Democrats that had to turn down cabinet posts. All of that will be old news by 2012.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:13 AM

Somehow, it seems that it's pointless for amateurs to attempt to demean Ms. Palin--she does a thoroughly professional job of it herself.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:28 AM

I agree with Riginslinger as to what she said in her news conference. If one accepts her reasoning as stated, she developed it logically.

Of course, any high school valedictorian could have done the same.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:53 AM

...or even a C- student, for that matter...


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 12:29 PM

*IF* there are legal troubles brewing, that could explain all this....if not, she simply realizes she can make more $$$$$ as a 'celebrity' than as a politician. She will probably write a book, no matter which.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 01:55 PM

She already has a multimillion dollar book contract.   As do GWB ($7 million) and Cheney ($2 million).

Let's see what comes out of Alaska--will the iceberg be big enough to sink her?

Never a dull moment, it seems.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Alice
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 02:12 PM

This is what I posted on this thread yesterday...
"Rumor has it the truth about their home that was built using materials from the hockey center (that she put Wasilla in debt with) will be coming to light. We'll see."

I'm seeing more reference now to the materials they used to build their house.... as the "iceberg scandal" about to hit the Palins.

from Firedoglake.com

"Though Todd Palin told Fox News he built his Lake Lucille home with the help of a few "buddies," according to Barrett's report, public records revealed that SBS supplied the materials for the house. While serving as mayor of Wasilla, Sarah Palin blocked an initiative that would have required the public filing of building permits—thus momentarily preventing the revelation of such suspicious information.

Just months before Palin left city hall to campaign for governor, she awarded a contract to SBS to help build the $13 million Wasilla Sports Complex. The most expensive building project in Wasilla history, the complex cost the city an addition $1.3 million in legal fees and threw it into severe long-term debt. For SBS, however, the bloated and bungled project was a cash cow."

There is an in-depth article in the Village Voice on this subject. Back during the presidential campaign, I posted a link to the Village Voice article somewhere in one of the Mudcat threads.

Alice


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 02:23 PM

The first time I ever saw Sarah Palin's face was a few years back when Piper was perhaps two years old. She made a commercial for SBS (a building supply house).


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 02:33 PM

By the way, Palin did NOT make an appearance at the 50th Anniversary celebration, even though I was told this morning that she definitely is in town (the Governor's 'mansion' sits not quite two blocks from the festivities). The July 4th Parade will begin about an hour and a half from now. Perhaps she will be in it. (?)

One gets the feeling that this is a troubled woman. Maybe I got that idea only from this thread though. :)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 02:39 PM

I've found her painful to listen to for some time. She colors her phrasing with religious imagery as if she's addressing a Sunday school service with lots of kids in the congregation. And the logic of her statements is fleeting. The worst part about it is that it is hard to dismiss the notion that she believes what she says.

She's sorta reminiscent of Ronald Reagon only without the intellectualism.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 02:58 PM

"She's sorta reminiscent of Ronald Reagon only without the intellectualism."

                  My god, who could find any intellectualims about Ronald Reagan. He makes Sarah Palin look like Margaret Mead.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Genie
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 05:01 PM

I don't see Palin as "Reaganesque" at all. As much as I hated most of his policies, I realize that Reagan's public image and rhetoric were for the most part inclusive-sounding and optimistic with a ring of idealism. (More's the pity, since his personality helped him win over lots of people who really didn't agree with his political views.)    Regan could be snarky (e.g., the famous crack about "the seven most terrifying words ..."), but he generally came across like a warm, benevolent father figure. Palin, by contrast, almost from her first public appearance as VP candidate, has taken on a sarcastic smart-ass, highly judgmental persona -- going so far as to frequently accuse her political opponents of such things as hanging out with terrorists. She belittles everyone who sees the world differently than she does and often makes pretty vile accusations about their patriotism, honesty, and integrity.   (Consider, for example, that she's been urging people to label David Letterman a "pedophile," boycott his show, and maybe even seek prosecution, because he told a bad joke which she chose to assume was about her 14-year-old.)

To paraphrase Dubya, Palin is stridently a "divider," not a "uniter."   She's basically a prettier version of Ann Coulter.   Her books and public appearances should net her many millions.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Peter T.
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 06:21 PM

The kind of woman who gives bedbugs a run for their money.

The complete implosion of the Republican party continues. One can only imagine what on earth will be left in the ruins, apart from the even more total wingnuts, the fascists, and the godfearing adulterers.   Anyone know if Ross Perot is still alive?

Peter T.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 06:23 PM

I think of her as Bush in drag.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: SharonA
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 06:40 PM

Peace and Kendall: True, Palin did not say that she could see Russia from her house. I was referring to Saturday Night Live's send-up of her statement during an interview on September 11, 2008: "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." I referred to it because I was reminded of that particular gaffe by her recent challenge to run a footrace against Obama. Both are examples of her skewed logic: she seemed to think that Alaska's proximity to Russia somehow proved that she had ample foreign-policy experience to qualify her to be Vice-President (without describing what she had actually done); and she seemed to think that winning an endurance run against Obama somehow proved that she could be a worthy opponent in a political race against him (for the Presidency in 2012, perhaps?).

- - - - - - - -

Can't help wondering if she's resigning because her 14-year-old daughter is pregnant and that she conceived during that trip to New York that David Letterman joked about (after which Palin raised holy hell and Letterman apologized ad nauseum).

Nahhh, it's got to be because of the political iceberg that's looming ever closer to her, or because the Republican machine told her she had no place to go but out. Her MO is to use her concerns for her family as a smokescreen to obfuscate her concerns for herself and her political persona, so the more she whines about how her kids are being picked on, the more we should focus on what she's done that she's trying to hide.

- - - - - - -

PEDANT ALERT: Joe Offer said, "One would think that if she were planning to run for President, it would be good for her to finish out her term as Governor - I suppose it ends late in 2010, since she was elected in 2006." I thought that this was incorrect because some US governors' terms begin in the January following their election, but then I looked it up! In Alaska, the governor's term commences on the first Monday in the December following the election (i.e. in the same year).


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Alice
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 07:16 PM

From Chattahbox.com:

"The iceberg scandal allegations were all detailed during the election in 2008 in a lengthy piece by the Village Voice, but the federal investigation was still in its infancy and the allegations faded from public attention, until now.

According to the Village Voice, the contractor for the controversial $12.5 million Sports Complex, Spenard Building Supplies has close ties to the Palins. Spenard is a huge sponsor of Todd Palin's snow-machine team, responsible for tens of thousands in income for the Palins. Spenard also hired Sarah Palin to be a pitch woman for a television commercial in 2004

The building supply company is also a financial political contributor of Sarah Palin's

The iceberg scandal is one of simple greed, corruption and influence peddling. The scandal involves the construction of the Wasilla Sports Complex at the same time Palin's home was built. According to Antoine Bricks of Spenard's Wasilla's office, the builder supplied materials for Palin's home.

The builder even filed a notice "of its right to assert a lien" on the deed for the Palin property, which is standard when beginning a building project for labor and materials, as it apparently did for Palin. The arrangement between Spenard and the Palins was anything but standard, however.

Todd Palin was quoted as telling Fox News that he built the expensive 3,450-square-foot, lakefront home himself with the help of some "buddies." These "buddies" were apparently named Spenard and were allegedly quite generous with their time and materials.

Interestingly, Sarah Palin during her tenure as Mayor, decided that Wasilla would not require the filing of building permits, an action she took right before the building of her home, with the alleged help of Spenard contractors and materials. Without the filing of building permits, Palin effectively kept the identities of the people involved in the building of her home out of the public eye.

The scandal also suggests embezzlement. Spenard billed Wasilla for materials supposedly used to construct the Sports Complex, but allegedly diverted some of those materials to construct the Palin home. Both Palin's home and the Sports Complex are said to feature the "same windows, same wood, same products."

The Sports Complex was a hugely expensive project for the small town of Wasilla, costing the town an additional $1.3 million in legal fees due to legal land title issues, overlooked by Palin as Mayor, which plunged the town into debt that it's still attempting to recover from."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 09:11 PM

"I think of her as Bush in drag."

       Of course, that's not as bad as Reagan!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 09:25 PM

Associated Press that the Facebook posting was written by the governor.
          This from the AP:
   "...Palin attorney Thomas Van Flein on Saturday warned legal action may be taken against bloggers and publications that reprint what he calls fraudulent claims.

"To the extent several websites, most notably liberal Alaska blogger Shannyn Moore, are now claiming as 'fact' that Governor Palin resigned because she is 'under federal investigation' for embezzlement or other criminal wrongdoing, we will be exploring legal options this week to address such defamation," Van Flein said in a statement. "This is to provide notice to Ms. Moore, and those who re-publish the defamation, such as Huffington Post, MSNBC, the New York Times and The Washington Post, that the Palins will not allow them to propagate defamatory material without answering to this in a court of law."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: pdq
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 09:42 PM

In the last year or so, it seems that the Palin fanmily has been subjected to 15 "ethics violation" claims, all triumped-up BS done for the sole purpose of destroying her career.

Fighting these BS charges has cost her and her family 1/2 million dollars. She does not have that kind of money to spend.

If she needs a contribution I will send what I can.

Just because people have different points of view they should not be destroyed by professional characer assassins.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Genie
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 10:16 PM

For better or worse, public figures, including politicians and political candidates, are generally exempt from the libel and scandal laws that apply to ordinary citizens. Just think of the allegations that were (and continue to be) hurled at the Clintons, the Obamas, etc. -- allegations ranging from corruption in office to insider trading to rape to murder.   
Yes, it can be damaging and costly to the public figures in question, but without such waivers, I think political investigative journalism and discourse would be severely stifled, to the detriment of the public.

I do think that libel and scandal laws should protect public figures from outright accusations that are both severely damaging and blatantly false or totally unsubstantiated. E.g., I don't think you should be able to claim "_________ is known to have embezzled from his/her company (or state)" or "_______ fathered an illegitimate child by _______ while in office," etc.
But bloggers, newspaper columnists, radio talk show hosts, etc., almost always couch their stories in safe language such as "alleged" or "sources tell us that ... ". I can't see how Palin could successfully sue bloggers or news publications for reporting the facts they have and then suggesting hypotheses as to where those facts might lead.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 10:55 PM

"...cost her family 1/2 million". She does not have that kind of money?

Uh, check her book contract.   And if you don't think deep-pocketed Neanderthals are also bankrolling her, you need to do a bit more research.

But if you feel the need to throw your money down that rathole, by all means don't let us stop you. Even if most Mudcatters are a bit more intelligent than to do that.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 01:14 AM

"I can't see how Palin could successfully sue bloggers or news publications for reporting the facts they have and then suggesting hypotheses as to where those facts might lead."


                     They can't be sued for reporting facts, but the New York times has a reputation for not doing that, Jason Blair, Judith Miller, and etc.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: bet
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 01:40 AM

Glad she's gone. Hope she stays home! bet


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 01:45 AM

Hey, Sis, Happy 4th! I'll bet a lot of Alaskans feel the same way about her quitting!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: SharonA
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:21 AM

The latest from the Los Angeles Times is this...


Sarah Palin not under FBI investigation, agency spokesman says

By Josh Meyer
July 5, 2009

Reporting from Washington -- A day after Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin resigned, a federal official in her home state dismissed one potential explanation for her sudden and unexpected resignation: a rumored FBI investigation into the former Wasilla mayor on public corruption charges.

Despite rumors of a looming controversy after the Republican governor's surprise announcement Friday that she would leave office this month, some of them published in the blogosphere, the FBI's Alaska spokesman said the bureau had no investigation into Palin for her activities as governor, as mayor or in any other capacity.

"There is absolutely no truth to those rumors that we're investigating her or getting ready to indict her," Special Agent Eric Gonzalez said in a phone interview Saturday. "It's just not true." He added that there was "no wiggle room" in his comments for any kind of inquiry.

The FBI has been active in mounting corruption investigations in Alaska, some to see whether local, state and federal lawmakers illegally received favors, money or free construction work from businesses or people seeking favors.

The most high-profile case was against former Republican Sen. Ted Stevens, whose conviction last year on charges of lying on Senate ethics forms stemmed from charges that a politically connected developer had done work on his house illegally.

The Obama administration Justice Department threw out the charges in April, saying prosecutors had failed to turn over potentially helpful information to Stevens' defense team. Some bloggers have speculated that such an FBI investigation was underway on Palin, who still had 18 months left in her term.

Also Saturday, the former GOP vice presidential nominee posted a statement on her Facebook page, not offering specifics but indicating that she had broad goals after she leaves the governor's office.

She did not say whether she planned to run for president in 2012, but criticized media coverage of her announcement:

"How sad that Washington and the media will never understand; it's about country. And though it's honorable for countless others to leave their positions for a higher calling and without finishing a term, of course we know by now, for some reason a different standard applies for the decisions I make."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Genie
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:32 AM

Genie said: "I can't see how Palin could successfully sue bloggers or news publications for reporting the facts they have and then suggesting hypotheses as to where those facts might lead."

To which Riginslinger replied: "They can't be sued for reporting facts, but the New York times has a reputation for not doing that, Jason Blair, Judith Miller, and etc."

----
Actually, Rig, I believe the John Roberts SCOTUS recently ruled (or was it the Rehnquist court?) that the media are not required to be truthful in either their reporting or in advertising.   I don't agree with that ruling, but it seems it's now the law.

Oh, and I'd say the NY Times has (and deserves) a better reputation for truth and accuracy i journalism than Rupert Murdoch's many "news" outlets do. : )


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Genie
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:39 AM

Palin: "How sad that Washington and the media will never understand; it's about country. And though it's honorable for countless others to leave their positions for a higher calling and without finishing a term, of course we know by now, for some reason a different standard applies for the decisions I make."

Huh? Who are these "countless others" who have resigned mid-term "for a higher calling" and not been criticized for that?

I can't think of any.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:41 AM

Hmm, that last quote from Palin above almost sounds like the sort of thing Nixon might have said.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:48 AM

pdq, not all of the ethics suits were found to be frivolous. For instance, she agreed to reimburse the state for almost $10,000 for her children's travel.

I don't know how much debt she has but the greater share of the costs that the State has incurred in investigating the ethics complaints resulted from her own lawsuit against herself in order to have the board that she herself appointed investigate the ethics; this was after the State had found her at fault. Her own board cleared her.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 06:50 AM

pdq said - "Just because people have different points of view they should not be destroyed by professional characer assassins."

             I think that's what's really at the root of what irks me about it all, pdq. Politically, I don't agree with very much of Sarah Palin's agenda, but what the left wing media has done to her is far worse than anything Fox, Limbaugh or any of the screaming righties have ever done to a left wing candidate, at least since McCarthy. They've shown themselves to be real sleaze-bags.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: SharonA
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 08:03 AM

Now, hold on thar, Rig. Palin herself has done more than her fair share of name-calling and mischaracterization of people and groups she doesn't like, to the point of character assassination. I don't think that the left-wing media has done much of anything to her; she's done virtually all the damage to herself and then whined about how the left-wing media has pointed out that fact.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin will resign on July 26!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 08:32 AM

Sharon - I don't think you've been watching your Keith Olbermann. And that "Vanity Fair," piece that ran last week was the slimiest piece of journalism I think I've ever seen.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate


Next Page

 


You must be a member to post in non-music threads. Join here.


You must be a member to post in non-music threads. Join here.



Mudcat time: 8 November 6:07 AM EST

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 2022 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.