BS: I voted for Obama, but...

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Sep 11 - 06:48 PM

Akenaton" ""Obama will change only what he is allowed to change."
I said that before he was elected, only to be attacked by Bill D, Amos, et al."

Hi, Ake!.....Here, in addition to what you just said, ..which is absolutely TRUE, ,it is, in fact, what I've been saying all along...and Obama is just the 'front man'!!

Nice to see(read)you again!

Regards, you little truth speaking weasel!(wink)
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Sep 11 - 06:54 PM

Opps wrong link on the other post!!! (You can delete the other one..but its still a pretty good link)


Akenaton" "Obama will change only what he is allowed to change."
I said that before he was elected, only to be attacked by Bill D, Amos, et al."

Hi, Ake!.....Here, in addition to what you just said, ....which is absolutley true! , ,it is, in fact, what I've been saying all along...and Obama is just the 'front man'!!

Nice to see(read)you again!

Regards, you little truth speaking weasel!(wink)
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Sep 11 - 07:27 PM

Um-hmmm.. That article seems to have been C&Pd by every right-leaning blog & web page in the universe... sometimes with a teeny bit of added comment..

""Obama's not in charge, I am" states jew puppeteer
European leaders said left "stunned". But i find it hard to believe as they know their puppeteers are jew overlords as well.
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/09/europ...rge/:eek::eek:"

You know.. or should know.. that context is everything. That may (or may not) be exactly what Geithner said, but anyone ought to see that he was comparing HIS job description to Obama's. It was perhaps an unfortunate way to phrase it, but it is true that it IS Geithner's job to make day-to-day financial decisions & policy. If Obama finds him deviating seriously from agreed on basic policy, he can send him packing.
I suppose by now, 'someone' has mentioned to Geithner that he needs to choose his words more carefully.


Gee it sure would be interesting to find out who wrote the original article that has right-wingers drooling with glee, but with 100,000 hits, it would be too tedious to sort out.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Sep 11 - 08:18 PM

'So much for "liberal" equality.'

Ake, it's not about liberals or conservatives; it's about neocons, multinationals and banks. Money has no religion and no political belief--except in itself.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: gnu
Date: 28 Sep 11 - 10:03 PM

9... that's fuckin poetic... and true.

PS... The gas fruckers have ceased ops here after public pressure. It was in the newspaper. Odd thing tho... I keep seein heavy (HUGE) equipment bein hauled in on the roads. Does BP not understand that the newspapers said they had stopped?

I'd talk to B about this but she's passed out on the couch. She inhaled copious quantities of lasagna and a bunch a Buds... not a drop left. The broad can party.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 08:38 AM

Bill D: "...Gee it sure would be interesting to find out who wrote the original article that has right-wingers drooling with glee, but with 100,000 hits, it would be too tedious to sort out...."

Yeah, well "'Right' wing and 'Left' wing are on the SAME bird".
They both are corrupt, BOTH are NOT working for the common good of the common man, and tend to start divisions amongst people, for their sake of exploitations, and start wars!..either between nations or classes!
Hurray for 'OUR' side(?).....Enough, death, destruction, and misery yet?..as a result of these buffoons? Their 'leaders' should be turned off, and ignored, other than to monitor the damage they try to do! They are never satisfied with contented people, but rather stir up unrest, in order to accomplish the bidding of those who manipulate them!
Play music!..Make it better..and help bring peace.....then you'll REALLY piss them off!...Then, do NOT give them any more power!...They only use it to hurt peoples and nations, for their own profit!
Has all our painful experiences with these assholes taught us NOTHING, and brought us no where?????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 08:56 AM

"Vietnam was Kennedy's baby"... GfinS

Well, not really... The US sent "advisers" to Vietnam in 1959 under Eisenhower so Vietnam was somewhat on Ike but Vietnam became the nightmare baby of the the next 3 presidents American presidents with Johnson and Nixon virtually handcuffed by it...

Might as well keep the history out there clean rather than muddied with revisionism...

As for the drones??? Had McCain been elected he would be using them Obama is and maybe more so...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: pdq
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 09:06 AM

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,number 6 - PM
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:43 PM

sadly .... some people believe in the Oliver Stone movie .... personally I'm one believes that JFK and the old man screwed around with Chicago gangsters a bit too much ... but, let's leave these theories to previous thread's buried somewhere here in the Madcat.

Fact is .... Vietnam was JFK's baby.

write a folksong about that.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 10:16 AM

Bobert: "As for the drones??? Had McCain been elected he would be using them Obama is and maybe more so..."

Truth is, Obama AND McCain are drones!

gfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 10:20 AM

"Fact is .... Vietnam was JFK's baby."



You think???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 10:48 AM

"Fact is" you're only partly correct, GFinS...

BTW, Dean Martin didn't do anything for me...

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 05:30 PM

GUEST,Guest from Sanity , It's remarkable that you should be quoting an article from the Washington Times, a Moonie newspaper.

I argue that the premise of this thread is correct and that we don't have true Capitalism any more, we have Corporatism whereby market competition is squelched by an Oligarchy.

We have given too much power to the Pentagon to make important national decisions as as it become more Christianized, it becomes a bigger out-of-control behemoth.

Obama's election was not about Camelot, an appraisal developed later in the JFK administration but was about the momentous proposition that a black man could be elected president in the US. It seems to me from the reading I've done that every presidential election comes in with expectant euphoric baggage that is later dissolved by the presentation of realistic problems.

Voting for Obama really is not the end game, only grass roots activism can achieve meaningful change in the system.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 05:42 PM

Strings is entirely correct... The Washington Times is the equivalent of FOX unNews... Good sports page, however, but the rest of it??? Shameful excuse for news... The front page is all editorial...

BTW, doesn't seem to be any BIG MEDIA coverage of the Wall Street protests... Like BIG MEDIA has conspired to not let the story see any daylight...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 06:00 PM

Is MSNBC big media? They have been on it for 2 days.......even though Keith Olbermann and Vanguard got to it first, and may be doing it better. Even CNN has found some time.

(Yes... it BECAME news once idiot police started random use of pepper spray... but hey... what ever they need to catch attention.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 06:46 PM

I think Washington has lost the plot. Obama seems to be in control of nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 07:16 PM

MSNBC ain't BIG MEDIA, Bill... When NBC, CBS or ABC cover it then it will have gotten outta the box that BIG MEDIA wants to keep it...

Yo brucie... I would think that Canada would be the ones putting up the wall to keep Americans out...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 08:47 PM

Dear Akenaton, (not the reformed Pharohistic monothiesitic church leader and architect of Egypt, but the Mudcat reformed folkster)

We can blame it all on the bankers. Yes the credo of Wall St. for decades has been money for nothing, but I can show you the exact date and hour in which we can prove we can blame it all on the bankers, and specificly Henry Paulson chairman of Goldman Sachs.

April 28th at 233 Woolworth Building the SEC opened a conference room for the Security Holder Director Nominations Roundtable meeting.
Inside were four SEC regulators who were bought by Wall St. banks to change the enforcement of the regulation that required banks to back up thier speculative bets with thier own money. The chairman Henry Paulson wanted the banks to oversee thier own risk managment and remove any and all restricktions on their banks borrowing, that they and they alone could be trusted to manage all thier risks wisely.

I have segments of the meeting that was taped. When a regulator even suggested that they would still report any felonious findings the room filled with laughter. When another regulator said if anything went wrong it would make a really big mess, more laughter and sarcastic remarks like "Yeah right I'm convinced, har har har".

It was all over in an hour. The Banks had never been in so much control while simultaneously being so out of control.

I have all the reigulators names and photos of each bank representative at this monumental moment that has brought down the US and Central Banks worldwide.

Yes there were many other accomplices such as rating companies and NASA math specialists that were hired to produce the derviitive so that no one on Earth could decipher its behavior or validity except by propriatary computers. We could balme Wall St for grabbing up all the Enron traders who found themselves out of work. There are many culpable accomplices who have no more defense thatn the Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg.

Yes we rightly can and should blame the banks.

I Belive they should be put on Trial...A BIG PUBLIC TRIAL.
The FBI and others have more evidence than you know.

Tonight I shall write what the big trial might be like.

There is no need to be so cynical as think it is impossible.
It is possible, and the world would listen more carefully than they did for OJ, I assure you.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 09:26 PM

Cherry pick the favored or unfavored 'news'(read: propaganda) source..
LMAO!!!!..Actually I re-thought the above sentence and thought of flavored or unflavored 'news' source!....

Pick the 'news' flavor you like the best!

(Oh, it can't be true....(pant pant), ...its not from my favorite, slanted position!...Hell, who cares if its true or not!..Besides, I like their commercials better!...LOOK OUT!..They carried the same story on Fox!....and said the same thing....Now it must not be true!!

Bobert.....Oh Bobert....(*~sigh~*).

As to Strings,..:..."It's remarkable that you should be quoting an article from the Washington Times, a Moonie newspaper."

Well, I'm not a 'Moonie' anyway..but is the story true?...or not?!
(Pssst, look out, the reporter might be a 'Moonie' or a Jew, or a Christian, or a Unitarian, or a Mormon, maybe a Catholic, God Forbid!!!...(YIKES!..Did I say 'God'??),..we could give him a pass if he's a Muslim,(they're sorta 'in' right now)...BUT wait!...what if he is a Jehovah Witness??...Those bigoted sons-of-bitches....not like me!..I'm a liberal!!!!...We are the ONLY ones with an open mind!!!

Strings: "..I argue that the premise of this thread is correct and that we don't have true Capitalism any more, we have Corporatism whereby market competition is squelched by an Oligarchy."

Guess what??..I agree with you full-heartedly, and go one further..
The corrupt bastards at the top, don't give a rat's ass about us, other than tapping everything they can, by buying off the 'leadership'(?), of ALL the main parties!
This is not too hard to fathom, is it?..I mean, if you're going to buy out the Republican, why not the Democrats as well?..or the Tea party...Shit, don't you think they'd want to better their odds?..After all, they're buying off the politicians with our 'free' tax money....

Bobert: "Naw..The Democrats are as pure as the driven snow...I know!!..I am one!"

Strings: "...We have given too much power to the Pentagon to make important national decisions as as it become more Christianized, it becomes a bigger out-of-control behemoth."

Well. the same goes for the Pentagon as well, as above..EXCEPT they got funded enough to become a mercenary army for the top globalist oligarchy bastards, as per aforementioned, with Timmy Geithner, making sure he can tap the Treasury...Oh, don't worry!...He'll tell you its "Worth it"...even though he WON'T tell you where the money is going!(Have YouTube links on the Congressional hearings to prove that one!....with his pal Ben Bernanke!)

As to...."....important national decisions as as it become more Christianized"

I knew it all along!!...Jesus and the twelve Apostles, were discussing logistics and troop movements at that last high level briefing at the Last Supper!..I can see it now!!...Just like you can! They were inventing the Military Industrial Complex, and the gospels are actually a secret code. Jesus himself commissioned Mary Magdeline to head the WACS....Just ask ANYONE in the Pentagon!..but be careful, its Top Secret....nobody knows about it...except for...you.
(Time for a little Dean Martin, here....)!


Strings: "Obama's election was not about Camelot, an appraisal developed later in the JFK administration but was about the momentous proposition that a black man could be elected president in the US."

Oh?..Are you saying that those who voted FOR him was because he was black???.....Pssst,.. sounds a little like racial bias to me, sorta like 'bigoted'?.......Wait a minute GFS, 'bigot' is a word reserved to those who WE disagree with...NOT US!!..WE'RE LIBERALS!!!

Strings: "Voting for Obama really is not the end game, only grass roots activism can achieve meaningful change in the system."

Shhh, don't say that too loud..Tea Partiers might be listening!
But that's the Koch Bros. phony grass roots movement....Not like George Soros/Jeff Immelt, and us..besides, they told us they are 'liberals'..like us!...Now that's DIFFERENT!

Yes folks..I really am from Sanity......(but you can't see it)!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 09:33 PM

Somethin' about crazy folks... They see everyone else as crazy...

B~ (former social worker who worked with, ahhhh, crazy folks)...

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 09:46 PM

BTW.... The Koch bother and Dick Armeys cash make George Soros look like an indigent homeless man... If this was a war, the Koch/Armey folks would show up with nukes and Soros with bb gun...

You ever gonna run out of right winged teashit, GfinS???

You are eat up with MythTeaology... I mean, Betty Ford eat up... Every policy position you put forth is Koch/Armey crap...

Yawn...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 09:59 PM

Bobert: "BTW.... The Koch bother and Dick Armeys cash make George Soros look like an indigent homeless man... If this was a war, the Koch/Armey folks would show up with nukes and Soros with bb gun..."

In for a penny, in for a pound! Who cares how much money is spent...its the motive!...and ALL of it is CORRUPT!......(except 'your' side', right?...(or is that left?)

A social worker??!! My God, an expert!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 10:06 PM

Problem is that you buy into 100% of the Koch?Armey policy positions, GfinS...

I buy into policies that will help the country... Not rich people...

When you want to talk policy, fine... Until then, you're just parroting Koch/Armey rich people's BS...

But keep the music coming... I mean, you make be a right winged tea-nut but you do come up with some decent music...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 10:20 PM

Bobert: "Problem is that you buy into 100% of the Koch?Armey policy positions, GfinS..."

BZZZT!!--False!

Bobert: "I buy into policies that will help the country... Not rich people..."

..and only support programs to enrich the very people who you say are 'rich'!....Read my earlier post!
You're like a Bobcat...chasing its tail~

Bobert: "When you want to talk policy, fine... Until then, you're just parroting Koch/Armey rich people's BS..."

Bzzzt!! --False!


Bobert: "But keep the music coming... I mean, you make be a right winged tea-nut but you do come up with some decent music..."

Well, at least I am a left handed guitarist!....but I'm not right winged. ...It's just that you are so far 'left' that anything you can see in the distance MUST be to the 'right'!

Oh, and about the music?.....That's because my filters aren't cluttered and clogged with political garbage!..Try it..even YOU can have better taste in music!

Wink and a wave!
Here, just for shit's and grins...just for your favorite guys who insure you had a job!

Just for Bobert!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 10:35 PM

Funny, GfinS...

No, not Stevie Ray... You being a left handed geetar player... Love to hear yer stuff... When that gonna happen???

BTW, tax man for the last 30 years has been givin' 19 to the military industrial donors (mostly to your Repubs) and 1 to the rest of us...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 11:32 PM

In 2012 we will not be given a choice of tweedle de or tweedle dum.
There is a real difference.


Here is the Republican agenda:

Target for cuts or elimination;
Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, EPA, SEC, Public Education, Police, fire fighters, Public employees.
Collective bargaining (possibly criminalizing unions).

Create more tax cuts for the wealthy up to and including a flat tax which only applies to wages but not capital gains, inheritence, royalties, gold holdings and interest. Increase costs and taxes on the middle class.
Continue monopolies in Insurence companies and subsidies for big oil.

Here is the Republican strategy:

Control the election results by changing electoral college rules in all Republican govenor states to always favor Republican candidates.
Limit all new voter registrations by law by adding new requirments like special voter cards for $40 dollars, $100,000 fines for not turnming in new registration cards within 24 hours, and a combination of old Jim Crow laws.
Continue in the House of Representatives to NEVER pass any bill that would increase jobs or stimulate the economy until a Republican President is elected. Continue to suggest Obama is neither American or Christian and that a bullet fired by a patriot would be celebrated as an act of heroism. Continue to seek a reversal Roe vs Wade. Privatize The nations second largest employer -the US Post Office. Eliminate 50% of Federal Workers.



The Democratic agenda

Approximatly the opposite of the Republican agenda (with the exception of continuimg to coddle Wall St.)









Watch 'Addicted to Money part 1' to see a segment of the most criminal meeting that led to our financial collapse. (20 minutes in)



originally aired on ABC

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 11:39 PM

Well sorta....They've been giving themselves the interest on those loans that fund all this shit, that they keep telling whatever party who 'buys' their 'sales' rap. Remember, they want BOTH party's business. Look at the interest you pay when you buy a home...compound that over the duration, of the loan, and you find you are paying DOUBLE the actual cost of the home!...Same with paying for WAR, entitlements, bailouts, 'green investments', bogus health care bills,(as opposed to GOOD ones, and on and on. Our taxes don't pay for those programs...ONLY the interest on the loans!! The jack-asses are robbing us blind, with the approval of whatever program appeals to which ever party!..
(About as 'successful' as the 'war on drugs'...no wonder it never gets won...their boys are also SUPPLYING the drugs!....but we keep footin' the 'bill' (or INTEREST) for the 'loan'..to wage this imaginary 'war'!..and that is much like all this crap, that the globalist banking jerk-offs keep 'selling'. WE DON'T NEED IT! Now they're in every nook and cranny of our live, with their hands out! Fuck 'em!

GfS

P.S. Yep, I play left handed....my Strat and Martin and Larrivee, are strung like yours(you could play my left handed guitars. My old 335 was strung the other way.(I can play with the strings strung both ways)
Of course, my keyboards, are standard.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Songwronger
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 11:48 PM

Well, I don't see Obama's bombing of Yemen as a partisan issue. Obama has demonstrated that he serves the same financial and corporate masters that Bush did.

What's disturbing with this is that Obama said point blank he would end the wars. He lies constantly (as all politicians do), but the lie about the wars is a pretty bad one. A genocidal one.

Obama needs to be removed from office. The most graceful way would be to have him exit like LBJ did when he was faced with a rival within his own party. Kucinich would at least make an effort to end the wars.

So would Ron Paul. Election tomorrow, Obama vs Paul, I'd vote for Paul.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 11:52 PM

Songwronger has it RIGHT! Do my eyes deceive me?? Somebody on here has a real working brain!!
I bet you have better than average taste in music, as well!

regards!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Sep 11 - 11:58 PM

Yemen?...doesn't matter..We're all over there screwing around with things...(makes the price of oil go up)...When it goes up high enough, we will drill here...for 'national security' reasons, I'm sure...but it will really be to base the 'new wealth' on an 'oil standard...which, BTW, the citizenry will not profit....just the 'big guys'....and they'll do it all with the support of one party or the other...whichever they will have bought=off, at the time. It's already in the works!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 12:12 AM

and the 'party is....(?)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 12:13 AM

The only 2 presidential candidate possibilities whose word I trust are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul. Period. They've both stood up consistently against American's foreign wars.

Republican audiences in 2008 laughed nervously when Ron Paul said in the televised debates that the reasons Muslims are fighting the USA is NOT because they hate our democracy or our culture, but because we are in their lands with our military and interfering in their lives. Dead right. The audience laughed because it scares them deeply to hear a simple truth like that, and their reaction is to deny it out of hand and poke fun at it.

Kucinich was blocked from even participating in the last few televised Democratic all-candidates' debates, because his position on the wars and various other issues left the rest of them in the dust and made them look like phonies and hypocrites...which they are, in my opinion. So they removed him from the process.

If it ain't seen on mainstream media, then it's almost as if it doesn't exist. That is how the corporate-owned media achieves "consent" from the public.

Okay, so they've given you the feelgood supposed triumph of electing "a black man" (Make that half-black....but even a 10th black is still considered "black" in America, right? Any amount will do.)   Well, gosh! What rabbit will they pull out of the corporate hat next time?

I'm thinking that it would look absolutely fabulous to elect a female president soon. Very progressive....even if she is just a shill for the corporate agenda. Maybe that will be the next glorious gambit to restore "hope". In any case, they will analyze hard what is most marketable in 2012, based on the public mood, and they'll trot out a candidate who fits that mood, market that candidate like mad, make sure the media does its job sewing discord, hatred, fear, gossip, paranoia, and utter nonsense about foreign lands, and The Great Oz will roll on majestically to another 4 years of imperial lunacy and fiscal madness.

And the world will watch it all...and shudder.

This sort of thing has happened before. The Romans did it. And they got away with it for a much longer period of time than America is going to...but things moved a lot slower then.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Songwronger
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 12:20 AM

Taste in music? Hadn't thought of that in a while. Music's just kind of a natural thing, all around me.

I've fallen off the guitar playing lately but today...I listened to some bluegrass, and a fine homemade mix of banjo stuff someone loaned me, Haydn trios, Laurie Anderson's 'Mister Heartbreak.' That's a great album.

Heard some overtures too. Need to find someone to help me identify a passage in the overture to Don Giovanni by Mozart. Early on, where the music shifts from its solid opening to its next section...there's a section there, maybe 6 bars or so, where there seems to be two different tempi and the two groups of instrumentation kind of shift back and forth over each other. Very surreal. Or ethereal. Need to find out what's going on there so I can describe it better.

Typical day, music-wise. I enjoy reading over the music threads here when I have the time. Learned a lot. Need to go up "above the line" someday and ask the Brits about Music Hall music. I don't know squat about it and wouldn't know where to begin a study. I'll do some searches first.

Over and out.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Songwronger
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 12:47 AM

We're like children, Little Hawk, we're so easily diverted. But some of those diversions make me smile. It's been wonderful watching Rick Perry self-destruct. His lies about Gardasil and immigration and all that. I suppose he'll be swept aside now and in six months no one will recall him. But he'll have a replacement. The one thing we can count on is that the powers that be will always give us a two-party choice.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 08:50 AM

Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are 'point men'...similar to Ralph Nader...they go out and note serious issues and stir things up. Very useful, up to a point.

I would not trust ANY of those three in the White House. You know the phrase "Out of the frying pan, and into the fire"? They would clarify it.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 10:22 AM

The Mudcat awakening begins.

Will we have a Mudcat Spring too?

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: pdq
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 10:25 AM

"Why the hell is he bombing Yemen?" ~ initial post

We just blew up the highest profile al-Qaeda leader yesterday...in Yemen.

Another one bites the dust.

"Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are 'point men'...similar to Ralph Nader...I would not trust ANY of those three in the White House. " ~ above post

Add Ross Perot and a buncha others to that list. We have long election lead-ups so the candidates have a chance to show us what they are really like.

Mitt Romney has been considered the top candidate for a long time and still has not damaged his position by careless statements.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 10:39 AM

In the 'other' thread, about the 'Tea Party' I said the same thing about Kucinich or Paul..actually even posed a 'hypothetical' ticket with the two of them running together!..(Time for another 'Dean Martin' moment)....for the exact same reason Little Hawk noted. The only glitch with Kucinich, that I said was, that though he was opposed to Obama care, he did, in the end cave into whatever pressure or 'incentive' they threw at him...but I'd still vote for him over Obama, and I'd take Paul over Obama, as well....and as far as the 'so-called' liberal left, voting for Obama for the mere fact that he was black, as stated by Stringsinger, I guess by that same logic, you's think that for the same reason ,the 'libs' would now like to 'celebrate' by voting for Palin or Bachmann!...after all, it would be the first WOMAN president!...Maybe even a Palin/Bachmann ticket....so when they got menopausal, they would wipe the face of the earth from ALL our enemies..and friends, too!..in one hour!

Hey, Songwronger, what kind of music do you like? You mentioned bluegrass, and you were looking to 'get back into it'..ANYTHING I can do to help, let me know!...until then, here's this:enjoy...if you haven't already....

Regards to all, in the 'spring'....Your Awesome Blossom,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 11:11 AM

"Mitt Romney has been considered the top candidate for a long time and still has not damaged his position by careless statements."

Yup! His 25% approval rating is intact! But "careless statements"? Like changing them every week or so?


Gee GfS... I think Obama would welcome a Palin/Bachmann ticket! I know every comedian extant would. Jon Stewart would swoon at the thought.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 12:04 PM

Yo, GfinS... You wouldn't vote for Kucinich in a million years... His positions are 180 degrees from the one's you have put forth here...

Paul??? Yeah, Ron "Lyndon LaRouche" Paul is your kinda guy... A complete wacko... We would see 50% poverty rates if his vision for American ever came to light... He is all for the corporation and all against the working class...

And shame on you, too, LH... You know better...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 12:12 PM

The real joke, is that so many here still think we can have "business as usual"....that this is some little glitch that can be tweaked by some intelligent politician like Mr Obama or Hill n' Bill, or all the Republican muppets who mouth the same platitudes we have been hearing for years.

Its over! and the sooner we all realise it the better....perhaps then we could all unite and start searching for another way.

But I doubt we can awaken the sleepwalkers.
"time for bed?".....said Zebedee..........."yes"....said Florence.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 12:36 PM

I don't agree with Ron Paul about everything, Bobert. I think his apocalyptic ideas about "socialism" are wacky. But I do agree with him on foreign policy. And I think he's an honest man.

I agree with Kucinich about pretty much everything. And I think he's an honest man.

But hey, Bill, I think you're right that they wouldn't do well in office, they'd be blocked and crippled at every turn by the system all around them...but it's a moot point, because there's little or no chance they will ever BE in office! ;-) The big party machines and their invisible corporate backers certainly would not let that happen. So they will continue to serve as point men, as you said.

Any candidate who actually does get to the Oval Office will, in my opinion, already have been bought out and made subservient to the imperial machine and the corporates, otherwise he or she would never get the backing to be elected. It doesn't matter what they say while they're campaigning. That's just the sales pitch. Wait till they get there, then watch what they do, and the hollowness of the sales pitch will soon be revealed. And the point men like Kucinich and Paul will point it out, and the machine will roll on.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 12:45 PM

LH,

I agree with him on that, also... But the rub is that a lot of folks would be perfectly willing to let him destroy the country just to get the wars ended... I can't bring myself to accept that trade-off...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 12:52 PM

"I think Obama would welcome a Palin/Bachmann ticket!"

Too late, Bill D. The movie was already made: Dumb and Dumber.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Stringsinger
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 02:12 PM

There is one way in which Obama is worse than Bush. Habeas Corpus is disappearing in the US where Bush incarcerated "enemy combatants" without due process, Obama is assassinating them. The recent American born cleric in Yemen, for example, is representative of the latest trend. This "enemy combatant" started as a moderate Muslim but grew increasing disenchanted with the US military occupation of Iraq, Afghanistan, now Pakistan and Yemen with the latter two subjected to intense drone strikes.

The killing of Osama bin Laden without a trial is a bad precedent. We need Habeas Corpus in our judicial system to uphold the Constitution and not cede killing to the will of presidents.

it will be uphill sledding for Obama because people are waking up to some of the bad judgements being made by this administration.

Ron Paul would not be a good replacement for Obama because of his rigid domestic policies and gutting of regulation in the energy industry, education, and denial of unions. He also has a history of dubious racial attitudes, one notably, his criticism of MLK which extended further than the non-violent methods. Ron Paul won't make it because the Military Industrial Complex will not allow it.

Wall Street and the Pentagon want Willard Romney because as a self-confessed "flip flopper" he is easily manipulated by these interests.

Romney vrs. Obama for 2012. He might bypass the Tea Party despite his Mormonism.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: gnu
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 02:28 PM

"Dumb and Dumber." HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHEHEHEHEHEHE

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 02:53 PM

"….the 'libs' would now like to 'celebrate' by voting for Palin or Bachmann!...after all, it would be the first WOMAN president!...Maybe even a Palin/Bachmann ticket…."

I love that! That would accomplish two things. It would turn the U. S. into a REAL "Saturday Night Live" skit, which might have the rest of the world laughing nervously and shaking their heads, it would serve as an example of the worst possible way to run a country, and show the American people, including the Tea Pottiers, just how bad things CAN get, and it would most definitely impel me to emigrate to some civilized country in Europe, such as Norway, Sweden, Finland, or Denmark.

And here was (and in some circles, still IS) an argument against there being a woman president:

"....so when they got menopausal, they would wipe the face of the earth from ALL our enemies..and friends, too!..in one hour!"

Lemme see, now. Michele is 54, so she's probably already there. Sarah is 47, so any day now. Not to mention the ravages of PMS!

Ya know, GfS, if I were you, I'd emigrate to the Brazilian jungles or some unmapped island in the South Pacific after making those remarks. Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinem, Germaine Greer, Camille Paglia, and a whole bunch of other ladies might just gang up, track you down, and tear you a new one for that remark.

Be afraid! Be VERY afraid!!

Don Firth

P. S. In any non-fantasy world, it will be a cold day in Hell when any "lib" would EVER want to see either of those women—or any man who believes as they do—in the White House.

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 03:11 PM

It also graphically illustrates what a shallow idea GfS has about liberals and liberal beliefs. He (she?) really should read a book on political philosophy, if reading is actually within the realm of the possible.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 03:56 PM

For a "liberal" Don, you are very liberal with the neurotic women stereotypes.

Tho' far be it from me to remind you of your own dogma.

I suggest YOU be very afraid......of the Mudcat women!

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 04:16 PM

Ake, you, too, need to learn to read a little more carefully!

I was pointing out how cavalierly GoofuS was throwing the stereotypes around. He (she) apparently THINKS in stereotypes. That's one of his/her major problems.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but...
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 04:20 PM

Anything vaguely resembling subtlety or satire is lost on some people.

And, Ake, how do YOU know what my "dogma" is? You, too, are dealing in stereotypes and pigeon-hole thinking.

Don Firth