Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 06:15 PM

I know some humans who should read Raymond Chandler, but that's a totally different story...

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: michaelr
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 06:44 PM

What he actually said, LH, was that Obama and Boehner playing golf was like Hitler and Netanyahu playing golf.

That's not quite the same as "comparing Obama to Hitler", is it?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 06:58 PM

He went well beyond that in describing Obama as "the enemy"... Not so funny after all, LH... Not all that amusing...

B~

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 07:59 PM

Maybe what he REALLY wanted to say is that Boehner is the one that's like Hitler and it's Obama that resembles Netanyahu.

Only Hank and Jack Daniels know for sure....

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 08:04 PM

LOL, Wesley...

B~

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 08:09 PM

Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert comment on the situation.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 03:42 AM

Hank Williams Jr is a no-talent d-bag that owes everything he has to his famous name. Crappy singer, can't play,writes songs that sound like half-ass beer commercials, a dim bulb that wishes the south would have won the civil war. Drug addict and drunk who, if his name were not Hank Williams, would likely be found in an alley somewhere in a puddle of his own vomit...would you like to know how I really feel about him? :)

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 03:49 AM

The problem surely is that the terminally stupid, deprived of a decent education by the US system and deprived of decent factual news by the US system, do care what "celebrities" say about politics and are influenced by it.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 08:57 AM

"i don't do...any painkillers".    Perhaps you should consider doing something about your pain. It might improve your attitude.   Which, as many have pointed out, just possibly could stand some attention.

Of course that's up to you.   

Hank, Sr. is a tragic figure--a flawed person--nobody is arguing that, and in fact it is part of the "accepted story".   Who nevertheless left behind a body of work which has been a huge influence on country music and brought untold pleasure to uncounted millions.    Maybe even almost as much as your own wonderful contributions to society.

So far, not even the National Enquirer would be interested in your revelations.   They have revealed nothing--except that your first post on Hank Sr. was in fact a smear.   Smack had nothing to do with his death.

You have established nothing which contradicts the "accepted story" of Hank Sr.'s death.

All we ask is that you start thinking before posting.   Seems a reasonable request.

And if you don't, be prepared to be called on every one of your smears.

Your choice.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: ollaimh
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 11:29 AM

anyone who compares obama to hilter is as ignorant and redneck as it gets.it's hate speech. palin saying obama hates the star spangled banner is simillarily full of delusion and hate. hate seems to be winning in the united states. i hope this is the high water mark and thigs start to get sane again but yeah i believe in censoring people who reject out basic democratic priciples and democracy cannot function when hate speech and lies from delusion politicians feeding the ignorant are allowed on the airwaves. too bad the us doesn't have hate speech legislation

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 11:37 AM

Sure it's censorship----so what?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 11:56 AM

The Worst Part Of Censorship is #$@^&* *** #@&^*
with an attitude like "so what?" well if people see that they got away with it once, well, they'll try it again and again and again.......

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: pdq
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 12:18 PM

"Boehner and Obama are playing golf together" = "Sheriff Clark and Lena Horne are dancing cheek-to-cheek"

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 12:33 PM

Link.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 12:35 PM

BTNG, you have demonstrated your lack of understanding of the distinctions in law. Censorship, all by itself is neither wrong nor right, or it can be wrong or right. Censorship by a government, used in an oppressive way to stop the free expression of political view would be wrong. In this case no one is stopping HW, Jr from expressing his views. But the network is using it's right to say they don't want it on their product. Censorship? Yes. But to quote my good friend Mr. Greenhaus, "so what?". Hank, if he feels strongly can use another forum.

Mick

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 12:37 PM

Actually it's not really censonship but censureship. Hank Jr spoke his mind and that's an American right. And I support his right to say things I disagree with. But Monday Night Football also has the right to not do business with Hank because of his views. Both are good American values.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 12:58 PM

Seems to me like a clear case of capitalism at work. ESPN is dissatisfied with HW Jr. so will be going with a different vendor.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 01:22 PM

Goodness, another first! I agree with Olly this time.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 02:04 PM

If Monday Night Football made any pretense of being a public information provider or forum, there might be a problem with its censoring or banning or firing Mr. Williams. It's not, and there isn't.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Bert
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 02:42 PM

Frogprince says...

he was on stage with Sarah Palin


Hmmm. "I've got friends in low places"

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 07:23 PM

Hey, there is a reason why good clubs don't hire lousy musicians... They are lousy... I guess that some folks would call that censorship... Hey, when you hire people to entertain folks then you have the right to censor the folks who won't help your club...

This is very basic stuff...

BTW, ig Hnak, Jr, was pumping out #1 songs it might be a different story but the guy isn't... Like someone said, you take asway his name and he's just another country-star-wantabee... And there's millions of them...

B~

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 08:13 PM

This subject came up as Karen and I were driving to Columbus today and Karen had the best/funniest line by far:

"I liked him better when he was Richard Thomas......"


Spaw

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 09:30 PM

Say goodnight, Spaw.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 10:10 PM

I couldn't figure out whatthehell he was talking about, until I remembered Richard Thomas (John Boy) is an actor. Karen's favorite Hank Jr

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Oct 11 - 11:36 PM

Oh, yeah; did you know that, in the tradition of other actors who have done things like put on a ton of lard, or starve nearly to death, to fit a role, that R. Thomas smashed his face so he would need a beard to cover the damage before auditioning for that one.

    (I know, forgive me Lord...)

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 12:04 AM

Jan is a huge fan of Toby Keith (of all people).    At least he does seem to have a bit of a sense of humor. One of his songs is "I'm Not As Good As I Once Was But I'm As Good Once As I Ever Was".    I've pointed out to her that this is supremely meaningless.



Also, one of his albums, I think, is called "White Trash With Money".

That seems to fit Bocephus to a T.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 12:13 AM

Ron, not meaningless at all. It just means you'd better get it right the first time. . .

:)

SRS

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 01:05 AM

Toby Keith!!

GfS

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:00 AM

"talk about me".    Yeah, he sure does. This is, as they say, a "true fact."

For the real sense of humor, try the video of the song I cited. Which is in fact a good one.

And "I'm not as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"---if translated into literal English--does not in fact say how good he once was, just that he's no better.   

As I said.

But at least he does not shoot pet bears in an enclosure (as far as I know), as Troy Gentry did once.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:23 AM

For a great sense of humor, try Brad Paisley's "Online": "When you've got my set of stats, it's hard to get a date/ Let alone a real girlfriend/   But I gain another foot and I lose a bunch of weight/ Every time I log in."    The video with this is priceless--and includes a great role for Mr. Shatner.   

Another great one by Brad is:   "Celebrity"--especially the video. Again, Shatner is classic.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:29 AM

never heard of him - had to look him up but:-

'On November 27, 2006, Gentry pleaded guilty to a charge of falsely tagging a bear that was killed in a fenced enclosure as if it had been killed in the wild.[46] Under the plea agreement, he agreed to pay a $15,000 fine, give up hunting, fishing and trapping in Minnesota for 5 years, and forfeit both the stuffed bear and the bow used to shoot the animal in 2004. Gentry posted a statement on the duo's website on November 9, 2010, apologizing for his actions.'

What a shit!

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:41 AM

Yeah, Jan loves the current country crop, but she she says she turns the TV down when Montgomery Gentry comes on, and never plays their CD she bought before the bear incident.

The fine should have been $1.5 million and he should have been banned from hunting anywhere forever.

That would possibly have made the point.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: pdq
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 10:45 AM

"...and forfeit both the stuffed bear and the bow used to shoot the animal in 2004..."

Note that the bear Montgomery Gentry took was killed with bow and arrow.

I don't like what he did, but anyone who thinks it is guttless to shoot a bear with an arrow, even if it is in a fenced range, should try facing a charging bear. I did and it ain't something I would recomend if you want a long and healthy life.

Part of the penalty was for claiming it was taken in a open range thus falsifying the tag.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: frogprince
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 11:00 AM

Gentry's killing of the bear was publicized to show him off as a mighty hunter. When the truth came out, he issued an "apology" which was largely a whine about how someone misguided him into the whole thing. Poor little misguided fellar.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 11:04 AM

Pdq, that is a ridiculous statement. I am a hunter, both with muzzleloader and bow. While I would agree that a charging bear is frightful, shooting any animal that is caged, regardless of the weapon used, amounts to nothing more than shooting fish in a barrel. There is no risk, no effort at scouting and tracking, and is being done solely to put a trophy on the wall at the expense of a magnificent animal's life. It shows no respect for the animal or the tradition. It is a practice reserved for low life trash hunters.

Mick

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 11:14 AM

I used to be a low-life trash hunter when I was young but I got tired of taking the penicillin shots so I gave it up...........


Spaw

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 11:16 AM

Also, the bear was someone's pet, as I recall---complete with name "Cubby".

And the person who volunteered a pet for Gentry's desperate attempt to prove his machismo should also have been punished.   Don't remember if that was done.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 01:21 PM

"BTNG, you have demonstrated your lack of understanding of the distinctions in law"

I don't pretend to be an expert.....

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 01:46 PM

That comment was a nit snarky, wasn't it. I'm sorry about that, BTNG. Sometimes, when one is writing on an iPhone and feeling a bit annoyed, things come off like that. Apologies.

Mick

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 02:32 PM

I am glad I came back to this thread on accounta I WAS a big Montgomery Gentry fan. That stuff about the bear is sickening.

Just one more thing... Bocephus... money... yup, got a shitload more than all of us put together. And, like I said, it wasn't given to him. He EARNED it by selling seats and songs under his "pen name". Don't matter if he's a white trash redneck asshole as far as his talent is concerned. SOMEone paid him all that money to play and sing so as far as trashing him as a performer *I* find that a little odd.... I wish I had his bank account.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 02:52 PM

"I wish I had his bank account."

Gnu, I'll put you in touch with Mr Joshuah Mbgamba, Commander-in-Chiefs and interim CEO of the White House Royal Nigerian Bank based in Washington, CD.

We'll get this done by next Wednesday. No need to thank me.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 06:02 PM

Why would we expect entertainers, or their heirs or celebraties to have a greater perspective on life, politics or anything else in life-than anyone else?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 06:08 PM

I guess what I am say'in, in my last post is Hank's son has personal opinions, like o0ther folks, nothing more, nothing less. Some of these personal (or celebrity) opinions make sense to some, and others do not.

So, why make it more than that? Regardless, if others, or Hank's son himself, tries to elivate "a personal political opinion" to a greater atatus?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 07:08 PM

Ed... well there ya go eh? Thread drift. It happens. Ya start talkin about football and some yahoo thinks that helments are for sissies even tho rugby players wear them but not modern helmets becuase... and then someone else... and then someone says Hank Jr's music is bullshit even tho he's a multi-buckionaire and it all started because he made an assinine comment which was either VERY upsetting or may have been interpreted incorrectly or whatever the fuck.

Fact is, no explanation he could give is gonna reverse the fact that he fucked up royally one way or the other. And, ya know what? I don't really care anymore. Early on in this thread? Yes, I did. But then people start trashin his daddy and trashin his success? Again, it all seems odd to me.

If I am wrong, I'll be the first ta admit it or ta tell ya ta fuck off. Course, that's not anything ya didn't know already.

I will miss it... ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL?!!!! Great tune! I won't miss Hank IF he did what he supposedly did... and I am NOT gonna spend any of my time researching it on accounta I really don't give two fucks from Tuesday... errrr, Monday.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 08:29 PM

If anybody is interested in Mr. Gentry's career as a mighty hunter, you might want to check the Mudcat thread at the time of the incident (2006): Troy Gentry Guilty In Tame Bear Killing.   I didn't even start it, though if I'd been the first to learn about it, I would have.

The absolute perfect punishment for him would have been to be banned from hunting anything forever.

Just think, every time his hunting buddies wanted to him to come along he would have had to tell why he could not---forever.

So he would never live the story down.

I'm sure the Mikado would have approved.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 10:05 PM

Y'know I think I would have respected Hank Jr more if the next day he had said "Yeah - I said it and I meant it too". I get tired of folks backtracking as soon as they hear that people didn't like what they said.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 10:42 PM

And it doesn't really make people think he doesn't believe it--just that it's not politic to say it.   So now what happens to Bocephus' carefully nurtured reputation as an "outlaw"?

An "outlaw" til he's told he's gone too far?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 09:56 AM

I donno if Hank, Jr. exactly back-tracked all that much, Wesley... I mean, and apology that begins with "If I offended" ain't exactly changing the story... Had he really apologized then maybe he wouldn't have gotten canned...

No matter... I don't watch Monday night football unless my beloved Washington Redskins are playin'... I certainly don't watch if to hear Hank, Jr....

BTW, not sure why the ol' Waylon Jennings line "Did Hank really make it this way" keeps going thru my head???

B~

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: pdq
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 10:14 AM

Hank Jr. does a type of music that appeals to Rock fans and Country fans alike.

Rock is characterized by liberal politics and dope smoking.

A suprizing number of rockers are beer-drinkers including the great Alice Cooper as were the departed Pigpen, Janis Joplin and others. Many have become Christian Conservatives including Randy Bachman, Chris Hillman and Barry McGuire.

There would be no problem booking a giant Rock-Country event with Ted Negent, Hank Jr., the group Leonard Skinnard, Brad Paisley, Reggie Young, Charlie Danniels, Toby Keith, Tracy Byrd and Kinky Friedman's slide player Lee Roy Parnell.

The guitar jam at the end of the concert would blow away everybody.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 11:43 AM

It's been decades since Pigpen and Janis Joplin have had a drink. Same with Alice Cooper if I'm not mistaken - but for different reasons.

Add Rick Derringer to that list of Christian conservatives.