NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 09:15 AM

Kate Wendleton's "Through the Brick Wall" and a local chapter of "The Five O'Clock Club" are other recommendations.
And your aunt is right. Your resume should always be up to date and you should always be looking at possibilities. Your first loyalty has to be to yourself.

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: GUEST, Banjo Johnny
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 04:21 PM

Guest: concentrate now on setting up your retirement. You will enjoy it!

Mbo: It's the Pseudo-Latin phrase, ILLEGITIMI NON CARBORUNDUM -- don't let the bastards grind you down.

== Johnny in OKC

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 06:21 PM

And it was in a thread here not long ago, it's been bugging me all day too!!!

LTS

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: GUEST,Hoot & Fidget
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 08:43 PM

$%#@!!!! The whole floggin' thing wasn't supposed to be italicized. That'll learn me not to post anything using HTML without testing it first.

...sigh... *G*

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: Helen
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 08:49 PM

Please, Guest, go to the bullying website soon, rather than waiting for your boss to do the next crazy thing. There are things on that site which can help you now, straight away - even about choosing not to stand up to him about raising his hand to you.

A really useful thing to start doing is to keep a diary - it doesn't have to be complicated or long - to record dates, times, events and words on what your boss is doing to you. Every little bit of information recorded in that diary will help you to see exactly what he is up to and it will also help you to stand your ground. If you can say "On this day at this time you said (or did) this" then your boss will start to get a bit worried because he will know he is under scrutiny and he will start to realise that you are not going to take this kind of treatment.

It will also help if, at any stage, you do decide to take a stand against him through legal or other action. Without the diary you will have trouble proving anything. With the diary you will have a long-term picture of his behaviour. It counts as evidence in a court.

My boss said to me in the mediation session, with a terribly hurt, little boy look, "I don't understand why you took this to the Union" and I said "Because I decided I was not going to take it any more". Even though I lost and he won, that little moment was a victory for me. I had dates, times, places, events, conversations, witnesses etc all written down, so that my side of the story in the mediation session was probably very scary to him. He is a bully because he is not confident of his competence as a manager and decision maker. He picks on strong, competent women, like me.

Helen

Helen

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: Lena
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 08:56 PM

Fired yesterday.I got to get my wage and my boss told me:by the way,today was your last day here.You know,with the Olimpics we have to reduce our staff...
I was so shocked that I couldn't get angry and scream at him and tell him the total asshole he is,the fact that I've not been able to organize myself and find another position just because he'd been shitting his pants off to warn me before.So there we go.He may have saved money,but I don't know if i'll have anything to eat in the next days,for he didn't even give me enough to pay my rent today.It's a long,long story,repeating itself for the hundreth time in the last months.The problem of being young,foreign,female and not likely to bent to the system.Probably if I stopped painting and sold off my creativity to some web-design agency.Probably if...whatever,that's why I have a bitter grin when someone tells me how smart or cultivated i am : the truth is that I'm not even worth a crappy manual job to pay the bills.I'm not even worth caring enough,as a person,to not send me off the street and leave me in the shit.And thank god I wanted to save money to go to UNI...so,as an anthropologist,I'll be shown that I'm not worth blah blah. I sat there at home wondering what's wrong with me,Why does everybody condider me less than his house pet,why everybody finds a safe job and I don't,and so on.I sat there and sang "Honest Work."at least I was able to fully appreciate that song.And I went on the beach to have a swim,and it started raining.and I tought,well,fuck the rain,I don't care-and it started storming.and all the sky went dark...worst than some Peggy Lee song

I just hope i'll sort myself out before my birthday.a Depressed Peg is terrible,but an Unemployed,Starved Depressed Peg is umbearable.

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: Mbo
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 09:04 PM

Oh, fanciulla, I'm so sorry to hear that. It sounds like someone has the Evil Eye out on you with a vengeance. I hope & pray that something good turns up for you very soon. You'll be in my thoughts.

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: Lena
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 09:19 PM

At the moment,the Rain seller is on me.But it's not his fault.He sells rainto get the money to come back to his desert.

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: sophocleese
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 09:40 PM

Lena, click here for something to help cheer you up. Remember your former boss is stupid man who was brought up wrong. You are an intelligent, brave young woman. Conquer the world! (or most of it, just leave some of the nicer bits for me please.)

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: DougR
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 12:19 AM

Lena: Sorry your AH boss treated you that way. I know it's difficult to do (because I've been there myself) but you HAVE to adopt a positive attitude! You got the job you had, go out and find another! I'm shocked that employers are not hiring more people because of the Olympics, not firing them!

Be brave, and don't let the bastards get you down!

DougR

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 12:39 AM

Yes, Barbara, that's it. Richard Bowles.

The secretaries song. Hmmm. Do you mean The Boss's Lament by Terry Dask?

THE BOSS'S LAMENT

I just don't know what to make of it just where it all will end
I haven't been so mortified since early 1910
I've heard of war and famine but things got really hard
When the ladies in my office got hold of union cards

chorus:
Whatever will we do whatever on this earth
When all the secretaries demand what they are worth (repeat)

Now my girl she runs the office, you know that's what girls do
She does her job, yes, fairly well and most of my job, too
But it's certainly outrageous it's completely out of line
When she demands a salary commensurate with mine

Now my secretary tallies up the things I have to do
She keeps a lists of all my friends so I'll know who is who
If she should ever leave me, oh how would I survive
I haven't made a phone call since 1965

Now there's rumors of a walkout and rumors of a strike
Rumors of a picket, work stoppage and the like
But I've got a survival plan in case of storm and strife
Here's how I'll get the job done - I'll give it to my wife

Now I've heard about enough of this, I just can't count to ten
Whoever do they think they are to organize like men
Now I believe in order, that tried and trusted norm
And I'll damn well see her fired - if I can find the form

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: Helen
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 05:59 PM

Lena,

You are in Sydney aren't you? Can you register for unemployment? It takes a while to come through and it's a mere pittance but every little bit helps.

Come up to Newcastle for a bit. The rent and cost of living is a lot cheaper, we have lovely beaches, nice people. I've just done a study on backpacker accommodation and there are some really, really nice backpacker hostels which are cheap and close to the beach, right in the centre of town.

What sort of work have you been doing? Maybe I can help you to find some work or help you with your Resume/CV or something or even just help you to talk it all through and feel a bit better.

I'll PM you with my e-mail and phone number.

Cheer up - it's spring, the sun is going to shine, the birds are going to sing, and you are going to find some work which suits you, your talents and your needs perfectly and you are going to paint extraordinary pieces of artwork. (Oh yes, and the art scene up here is thriving too)

Helen

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 06:47 PM

Lena,
Bi-lingual has to be worth something especially with the Olympics. Try the hotels, restaurants, hospitals, banks, etc. anywhere where a second language could be critical. And smile. Rainy days are beautiful too. Or sing. It will help. How about sketches of some of the athletes? Quick and dirty and one step short of prostitution, I'm sure, but it will put money in your pocket.
Mary

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: Lena
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 08:21 PM

Thanks for the support.I should print the all thing and stick it on my boss's door.I'll start reacting and worring about the thing after this week end,now I have something more important to think about:music!!! Helen,thanks for the Newcastle suggestion. But if I'm going to move out of Sydney,I'll have to do it seriously.And no,no bilingual facilities.
The boss'lament was great,great,great.

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: Barbara
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 09:20 PM

Yeah, that was the one, Bev and Jerry. Tanks! Actually, I see it's already in DT, and that the first line of the last verse is "...can't comprehend"
Blessings,
Barbara

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: JamesJim
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 10:37 PM

Guest- Sounds like a very wise decision to move on. If you are not appreciated, why should you continue to put yourself through hell? It's also wise to stay right within your Company, if you can. If your boss is the tyrant you say he is, the chances are good that many, many others within your organization know of his reputation. Concerning other potential positions within the Company, I'm sure you will quietly and diplomatically ask around. There will come a time when your current boss will learn about your actions. Never fear. Chances are good that he is even more fearful of you, than you of him. He has a boss too!

Lena- America fortunately has an "employee marketplace" right now (as do many other Countries). Learn from your experience and move on.

Best wishes to both of you!

Jim

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 09 Sep 00 - 05:52 AM

Lena, what did you do? Were you not entitled to notice? In UK you have to have notice even if you are temporary. Casual labour is the only sort not to require notice, because they are called in as necessary. Surely you should have had some warning that he was laying people off. Check with your colleages and see if anyone else has been laid off. If not, you might have grounds for a fight, because he lied about the reason for letting you go. If you were 'on the books' then there are legal ways to make you redundant, because that is what happened. You weren't sacked over any offence were you?

Nil carborundum and all that, but go and speak to people, you may have something to fight.

LTS

Subject: RE: NotMusic ... Thoughts On Being 'Fired'
From: Helen
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 12:28 AM

Lena,

Liz is right - if you weren't a casual then you have rights and there is minimum time to be notified before you either leave or stop getting paid. If you were a casual you have less rights about notification time. Are you a member of a Union? It's be worth talking to them about it if you are a member.

Are you checking the Jobsearch database every day? There are heaps of jobs in Sydney listed there.

Helen