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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: akenaton Date: 05 May 05 - 05:22 PM Blair ,Straw,Hoon......Evil warmongers. Linda Kelly............Apologist for the above. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Linda Kelly Date: 05 May 05 - 05:36 PM Absolutely not- and are you an apologist for the 'let's watch it happen before our eyes and do nothing brigade'? I don't have to be accountable to anyone-members of my family have risked their lives in Kosovo and Iraq-I have no desire to be involved in any conflict thankyou. Just shut your eyes and your eyes and don't let that world out there crowd in and make it uncomfortable for you will you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Once Famous Date: 05 May 05 - 05:53 PM Blair is now the projected winner according to Yahoo news. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 05 May 05 - 07:18 PM We already know that Martin, and it means Britain is the loser. DT |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: GUEST Date: 05 May 05 - 10:30 PM Tories lost! Cheers everybody! |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Boab Date: 06 May 05 - 03:37 AM Martin---you are like some journalists I know; the British people weren't voting for Tony Blair. They were voting for the party of their choice, which turned out to be New Labour---with unfortunately Tony Blair as their leader. Let's hope that he accepts that he has been a liability in this election, and finds the grace to resign. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: GUEST Date: 06 May 05 - 05:30 AM There isn't a 'New Labour' party, just the Labour Party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 06 May 05 - 05:33 AM Well said Boab, and I'd like to add, as a committed Tory voter, how pleased I was to see that Bob Marshall-Andrews (genuine labour) was returned to parliament. He is an honourable man, who commands my respect for his refusal to toe the party line when he believes that line to be wrong. Mudcatters particularly are indebted to him for his stance against the PEL legislation. He said in an interview that Tony B should go, sooner rather than later, and it is my earnest hope that there are enough like him to rid us of that glory seeking liar. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: The Shambles Date: 06 May 05 - 12:08 PM Well said Boab, and I'd like to add, as a committed Tory voter, how pleased I was to see that Bob Marshall-Andrews (genuine labour) was returned to parliament. He is an honourable man, who commands my respect for his refusal to toe the party line when he believes that line to be wrong. Did things change then? Before my eyes closed for the night - I saw him being interviewed and accepting defeat...........He said that If Tony Blair was having a bad night - There were some strange results. My Labour MP was returned with his majority increased from 20 odd to 2000 odd. With a 3% swing to Labour? the Lib Dem share of the vote here - seem to collapse and go to Labour - in order to prevent the Tory I suspect? Although he was a rather poor Tory candidate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Lowden Jameswright Date: 06 May 05 - 12:25 PM Sorry Tory Boy - lost again! This was the party of "Natural Government" - born to lead; 80 years out of 100 between 1887 and 1997 etc etc. Labour have done the impossible - a 3rd term, despite the Iraq war, despite the immigration furore, despite the negativity of the media-driven agenda, despite the Tory's flavour of the month "leader" throwing endless lumps of (Bull) shit at the labour wall. Know this - given the background to this dirty election, every Tory voter will have turned out last night for certain. That's it - your best shot - way off target. Thank your lucky stars for Iraq - without it Labour would have won another landslide victory and consigned the Tories to the dustbin of history (where they belong) for the next 100 years. Next time maybe they'll elect a leader of substance (though God only knows where from), and manage to come up with a genuine prospectus for government instead of the dreary mantra of limited drivel they laughingly called a policy for change. How difficult is it to clean a hospital? (Much more difficult than enforcing private contractors to make them filty of course). How difficult is it to draw up a prospectus for Government? (Impossible for the Tories it seems). Ask yourself why the Tories had endless billions of Oil revenues, revenues from multiple Privatisations, revenues from cash-strapped rate-capped councils, and 18 continuous years to put our country to rights on issues such as "Cleaner Hospitals" "More Police" "Lower Taxes" blah, blah f****** blah, and yet were dumped unceremoniously on their fat priveledged arses with the biggest landslide defeats in generations. Well, slime-ball Howard has gone the way of the other two obnoxious pillocks and good riddance. Will the next candidate sign in please? |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 May 05 - 12:39 PM Bob Marshall-Andrews was in fact reelected - gave an interview while the count was still going saying he thought he'd lost - and saying that his being out of the Commons might be one thing that would cheer up Tony, if he was having a bad night generally. But in fact he scraped in "'Beaten' Labour MP keeps his seat" The slightly laughable thing is the way the papers today are trying to present the result as a kind of triumph for Michael Howard - with a result that in most elections would have been seen as a landslide defeat for him. The truth is, if they couldn't beat Tony Blair this time, they really are in longterm trouble. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 06 May 05 - 02:03 PM I'm not sure now, but I saw him interviewed this am, and I understood them to have said he scraped in. Does anyone else know for sure? There were a number of recounts late last night, where first results were reversed, and I do hope he was in there somewhere. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: akenaton Date: 06 May 05 - 02:06 PM "Mr Blair!! This is for Iraq". "All the lies you told and all the people you killed have come back to haunt you, and the best thing the Labour party can do, is sack you!!. George Galloway is back to haunt New Labour and to see the final demise of Tony B Liar. Heres hoping he will continue to be a thorn in the flesh of our own little gang of criminals.....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 May 05 - 02:10 PM Have a look at that link I gave you, Don. His majority is way down, but he's back in the Commons, much to his surprise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 06 May 05 - 02:26 PM Great news McGrath. I posted without seeing your posting, but your blicky gave a "cannot find server" when I tried it just now. However, it's pleasing to know that an honest man is back in Westminster, even if I don't necessarily agree with him. There are far too few of his ilk in all parties. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: DougR Date: 06 May 05 - 04:42 PM I realize that the people do not elect the PM, but I'm glad that his party chose Tony Blair for PM. He has been a great ally to the U. S. in the war on Terorism. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: akenaton Date: 06 May 05 - 05:17 PM Doug....Today Friday, 62 Iraqis killed by car-bomber. Shiites massacre Sunnis, grave found containing the newly killed bodies. Inevitable civil war gets closer every day. Democracy?? Are you kidding? Do you know how many Iraqis have been killed in the last week? Far from winning a "War on Terror" in Iraq, the UK USA are causing the deaths by continuing the occupation. There were no fundamentalist terrorists in Iraq before the war. Last night, in the UK election ,the result in Mr Blairs constituency was shown on TV. The father of one of the young soldiers killed in Iraq stood against Blair. The man polled about one fifth of the votes received by Blair, and after the result was announced, made a powerful denouncment of Blair and the UK govt for causing the death of his son and over 80 other young men, by dragging them into an illegal and unnecessary war. Blair and his wife could only look straight ahead like dummies while the father told them of the grief his actions had caused. A defining moment in the career of Mr Blair, who is finished politically, and if I am any sort of judge, psychologically....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 May 05 - 05:21 PM Here's the relevant bit from that BBC site http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/vote_2005/england/4520257.stm Marshall-Andrews surprised himself by holding his Medway seat after publicly declaring before the declaration he would lose it. Mr Marshall-Andrews, who held his seat by 213 votes, blamed the "unpopularity" of Tony Blair for his reduced majority. "My majority was 3,750, it's gone down to 213," he said. ............... Fair enough Doug - though Michael Howard was just as strong on backing Bush, so either way your man would have been in. (Of course, in US political terms Howard too would count being as well to the left of centre... Probably to the left of Kerry for that matter.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: robomatic Date: 06 May 05 - 07:07 PM So how is the Silly Party doing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: GUEST,Tory Boy Date: 07 May 05 - 12:50 AM Ah well, the people have spoken. What a sad night it was. I am depressed that Michael Howard has resigned as he was the only leader of principle in this election. Michael told the truth - and the truth resonated with the people on the doorsteps and on the phones. People do want clean hospitals. People do want their country back. People desperately want tax cuts. labouring party lied and lied again - but it will do them no good because their majority is slim and they are sitting in so many marginals that, next time, they will be out for keeps. The ridiculous Libdems were routed. 62 seats - after trying to be all things to all men. Their so-called decapitation strategy utterly failed, save for Tim Collins they only took labouring seats. So cheer up friends. Our next leadership contest will soon be on its way. As usual I will try to keep you up to date with what is really happening on the ground. Those of you with your heads still up in the air may like to join me down here in reality land! |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: The Shambles Date: 07 May 05 - 02:43 AM So how is the Silly Party doing? It has been explained to Tory Boy how his party fared. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Boab Date: 07 May 05 - 03:32 AM I seldom am driven to cruel critique of another's views; but Tory Boy---what a load of blarney! |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Liz the Squeak Date: 07 May 05 - 04:16 AM Seems it was a case of 'better the devil you know'... but the increase of the Marginals should serve to let both Blair and Howard know that people are not so forgiving as they would hope. Was interesting seeing Jeremy 'Pitbull' Paxman interviewing George Galloway... his first (second, third and fourth) question was 'are you proud of yourself for ousting one of the few black women MPs?' George was understandably narked at this and suggested Mr Paxman should congratulate him on winning, as he had congratualated all the winning candidates before. Seems Mr Pitbull has met his match.... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: DMcG Date: 07 May 05 - 07:20 AM Thread drift ... Paxman of late has tried this 'repeating the question' approach so often that it is now usually fails. There was a session on Newnight about a week ago when he tried it with Martin McGuiness, who simply repeated "I've already answered that question. Have you another you want to ask me?" ... stalemate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: George Papavgeris Date: 07 May 05 - 07:43 AM Paxman's lost it for me. At first his aggressive attitude was welcome, but by now he has started to believe his own publicity, and like a "weakest link Anne" he is playing up to his own image, leading him to do silly things - like starting to throw barbs towards colleagues on election night. I did not take kindly to his reference to Snow's graphic presentations as "those preposterous graphics" with a sneer. His shambolic repetition of the same question just makes him look like he has lost the ability to corner an interviewee legitimately. Being an aggressive interviewer is one thing. Being obnoxious, quite another. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Bunnahabhain Date: 07 May 05 - 12:26 PM George Galloway deseves to be in prison, rather than Parliment. I have just spent the last month campaigning for the Tory party, and if I had been able to vote in that seat, I would have voted for Oona King. The constituancy has lost a good local MP, and have got a raving lunatic who makes Blair look honest instead. Galloway is anti-war, but probably only so he could have more holidays with his freind Saddam. Bunnahabhain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 07 May 05 - 12:38 PM With you there Bun. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: akenaton Date: 07 May 05 - 04:00 PM Aye all you Tories love George. Well Im glad to see him back to torment New Labour. He's one of the few orators left in parliament and I love to hear him rant against all the wrongs committed by our slimy government. George is an inspirational speaker and thats why his enemies hate him so much. Bit of a "wide boy" maybe, but you need your wits about you when your arguing with sleaze bags...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: RobbieWilson Date: 07 May 05 - 04:23 PM So why should George be hanged? He was telling the truth Blair was lying. He has never ordered bombing of cities or villages, He has not ordered an illegal invasion. He was never Saddams friend; he was urging opposition to Saddam when UK and US were supplying him with WMD. Galloway has been subject to the most sustained campaign of vilification and demonisation I have ever seen but still the people of Bethnal Green were convinced to vote for him maybe they listened to the argument, close up and in detail. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Les in Chorlton Date: 08 May 05 - 02:48 AM Let us not forget that George was a very public, pro-soviet, stalinist who saluted Saddam. What does that say about his judgement? |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: GUEST,The Shambles Date: 08 May 05 - 12:47 PM What does that say about his judgement? In our country - that is still up to the electorate to judge. And whatever we may think - the voters of Bethnal Green did just that................... |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Lowden Jameswright Date: 09 May 05 - 09:48 AM "So cheer up friends. Our next leadership contest will soon be on its way. As usual I will try to keep you up to date with what is really happening on the ground. Those of you with your heads still up in the air may like to join me down here in reality land!" I LOVE this guy (Tory Boy) - what a wonderful natural comic he is. Keep these posts coming Tory Boy; I love a good chuckle. The Tories ended up with less seats than Labour did under Michael Foot (their lowest ever point) and still have 150-odd seats less than Labour despite a massive protest vote by Labour voters turning to the Lib Dems. The only "progress" the Tories made was based entirely on this protest vote. The "great" Maggie Thatcher came to power in 1979 with only a 20 seat majority - and how those Tory Boys 'n Girls went wild. How bad can it get for the Tories? As their share of the vote has flatlined on those bedrock-solid traditional blue-rinse coffee-morning dearies/luvvies we have all come to admire for their mis-placed fortitude, it's fair to assume they're finished as an effective political force. In "reality land" our friend Tory Boy can expect to meet up with the rabbit checking his timepiece any time now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: GUEST,Tory Boy Date: 09 May 05 - 10:46 AM Although a natural optimist, as you know, I have to confess to one niggling worry at the minute - that labouring party might tell Tony Blair to sling his hook. Not much on the leadership contest - except Yeo and Soames who may probably run or not - but they're both moderniser-as-water so we are waiting for some real red-blooded, one-of-us', Dries to emerge. But on the bright side did you see that Justine Greening from Putney?? Ha ha, she'll soon get you on the run. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Lowden Jameswright Date: 09 May 05 - 12:14 PM The only one likely ever to have got Labour on the run was the one remaining heavyweight puncher left in a thoroughly intellect-impoverished party, and that was Kenneth Clarke. He must be shaking his very considerable brain in total disbelief at the sorry state of your once great political party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: The Shambles Date: 09 May 05 - 12:47 PM Only afterwards - if anyone were unwise enough to eat her. I may like her - as I may also like children - but I couldn't eat a whole one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: RichardP Date: 09 May 05 - 07:28 PM Little known fact to cheer up Don, Tory Boy, Cllr etc! In over 200 years of Tory history only 4 leaders have failed to be Prime Minister - Austen Chamberlain and the last three. Now they are about to choose a fifth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: GUEST,Stevie D Date: 10 May 05 - 03:22 AM Come on Tory boy, you must realise that the time and tide of politics has changed, you seem to be locked in a time warp, it is solely because of people like you that the tory party is unelectable. I hate to tell you this, but mobile phones are smaller these days, loadsamoney is not funny anymore, and shakin stevens hasn't been at no 1 for years. Its time to move on, I am a Tory voter, but I don't want to win an election by sneaking in the back door, I want the party to unite and present it's common sense policies in a way that will influence the public at large, the British public has showed that it wants services that benefit all, I believe the tory party can deliver this, in a way that benefits all, and gives people self respect and a belief in themselves, the next election is there for the taking, but not if misguided people still present the party as an elitist organisation, the modern Conservative party is there for all to benefit from, and to give choice to all people, try putting the positive across. And we just might see a proper Conservative Government rather than a unpopular bunch of backscratchers that have gained power by luck. and will get booted out in 5 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 10 May 05 - 05:31 AM Right on the mark, Steve. Now, will you tell MH, or shall I? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 May 05 - 06:57 AM The right one to take over as leader of the Tories would be Tony Blair, crossing the floor of the house, as a one-nation Conservative. There's nothing in his politiocs that would have upset Macmillan or Macleod, though he might have been a bit right-wing for their tastes on a few issues. Tories have always prided themselves on being pragmatic and adaptable to achieve power; and as the leader of a reformed New Conservative Party Tony would probably have a much longer shelf-life as a successful politician, and he'd be in the History books for something other than Iraq. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: GUEST,Stevie D Date: 10 May 05 - 08:05 AM Hi Don t, i think MH already knows this, thats why he's off, in a few months rather than immediately. they will start to groom new faces now, just watch over the next few months, new young faces will start to make progress, what they really need is someone who has been successful due to conservative policies, not some spotty face geek who has never done a real job, this is a problem that is rife in the labour party, most the M.P's have only ever been to university before working for the labour party as filing clerks. and this is starting to show, now he's left with all his hardcore labour seats outnumbering his new league of followers, he is at the mercy of Old Labour. this should be music to the Tory ears,,,, if they cant make this work, they really are a spent force. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: The Shambles Date: 10 May 05 - 12:20 PM I see that my MP has been rewarded for being so faithful to Mr Blair's party line. He is to be a Junior Minister in DEFRA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Richard Bridge Date: 10 May 05 - 12:46 PM The only thing Ken Clarke ever shook was his todger, and that he shook non-stop. Marshall-Andrews for PM! |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: The Shambles Date: 10 May 05 - 01:43 PM The Party will have to find him a safer seat first.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Maxine Date: 10 May 05 - 02:36 PM Well, Guest Stevie D to take MH place I reckon. I've been a life long Labour voter but Stevie D gets my vote! |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: GUEST,Saymore Fortescue Date: 10 May 05 - 11:26 PM This Osbourne lad is now Shadow Chancellor. Could be a good bet. What are the odds? |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: GUEST,ToryBoy Date: 11 May 05 - 01:34 AM Well StevieD you sound just like old labouring party! We want a real Conservative party with real conservative policies, not some re-hash of labouring party namby-pamby nanny-state political correctness, thank you. Out of Europe Low taxes Controlled immigration Support USA foreign policy Proper Grammar schools End welfare scrounging We will get a new leader by Christmas, I've asked everyone in the frame for their views. Nil Desperandum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: The Shambles Date: 11 May 05 - 01:46 AM This Osbourne lad is now Shadow Chancellor. Ozzy's son may be better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 11 May 05 - 05:59 AM Almost a good post, Tory Boy, but you fell down at one hurdle. What the hell has a blanket support of American foreign policy got to do with running this country? Stick to the issues that matter to the people of THIS fair land, and let Dubya screw up the rest of the world on his own. We don't need to be tarred with the same brush as a war hungry, wannabe world boss. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Paco Rabanne Date: 11 May 05 - 06:34 AM Nice one tory boy. I would add one thing though, people on the dole should have to work for it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: MARGINALS: We're winning (UK) From: Paco Rabanne Date: 11 May 05 - 06:35 AM 100! And, bring back fox hunting. |
