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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 24 Nov 06 - 03:27 PM I just came back from seeing the movie this morning. I have to agree with Little Hawk. Craig is a great James Bond. I enjoyed the fact that it wasn't full of silly gadgets. Just guns,knives and fast cars. Possibly the best Bond flick so far. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Don Firth Date: 24 Nov 06 - 06:02 PM Bit of trivia: the first Felix Leiter, in "Dr No," was Jack Lord, who went on to play Steve McGarrett in "Hawaii-Five-O." Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Slag Date: 25 Nov 06 - 11:22 AM Oh!? You mean Jack God??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Nov 06 - 12:27 PM Well . . . I heard (gossip on late-night talk shows, if I recall correctly) that Jack Lord was a bit proprietary about "Hawaii Five-O" and was pretty dictatorial about what went on in the show. Basically it was said that he had to dominate every scene or he could get pretty snarky. One actor who did a guest role on the show commented that he got the impression that Jack was considering having his first name changed to "The." Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Nov 06 - 12:53 PM That show had great theme music... ;-) "Book 'em, Dan-o." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Nov 06 - 12:57 PM Jack Lord trivia: The reason Jack Lord was never cast again as Felix Leiter was that the Powers That Be in the Bond films felt that Lord had a strong enough personality and screen presence that they were afraid he might possibly "upstage" Sean Connery. That might be debatable, but Jack Lord did have a real "presence" when he was on-screen in "Dr. No." Items from Wikipedia: Jack Lord was considered for the role of Captain Kirk on "Star Trek;" the role ultimately went to William Shatner. Because Lord wanted to co-produce and have a percentage in ownership of the series, he was ultimately rejected by both Gene Roddenberry and Desilu Studios.Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Little Hawk Date: 25 Nov 06 - 12:59 PM He did have a very strong screen presence. He was, what, maybe 6 foot 4? At least he looked pretty tall to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Nov 06 - 02:14 PM The images of secret agents and spies in the Bond films and others (with a few exceptions, such as the movies and mini-series' based on John Le Carré novels) are basically fantasy. Both Sean Connery and Jack Lord (as CIA secret agent Leiter) , and a few others who played Bond (particularly, at least to my mind, Timothy Dalton), are the kind of guys that are very noticeable in a crowd. In fact, when they were casting for the first James Bond movie, when Connery walked into the room, one of the producers leaned over to the other and said, "My God! He walks like a panther! There's our Bond!" Which, of course, makes him unsuitable as a real secret agent or spy. Real agents need to be innocuous-looking and able to fade into the background. This was the view expressed by "Wild Bill" Donovan, who organized the OSS (which later morphed into the CIA) in a book on espionage that I read some years back. Donovan was talking specifically about the Bond movies, which he said he enjoyed, but they were anything but realistic. But wothehell. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: ard mhacha Date: 25 Nov 06 - 04:25 PM Don Firth how true, I remember listening to Malcolm Muggeridge who after his service with MI5 during and after WW2, became a well known broadcaster with the BBC. Muggeridge was asked about Connerys role as Bond and how did he fit in to such a role, Muggeridge mentioned a few of his friends that were also in MI5, and suggested they were all like himself hardly able to climb a flight of stairs, "they certainly were nothing like the agent portrayed by Connery", he said sitting behind a desk was as far as most of them got. Muggeridge called the role sheer fantasy and far removed from their role as spies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Divis Sweeney Date: 25 Nov 06 - 07:33 PM The film lacks a story line, A guy owes money and plays cards with Bond, the guy looses, he wants it back off Bond. Usually Bond girls are remembered as beautiful and a figure to die for. The one in this film escaped from either Dachau or Sachsenhausen concentration camps. If you want to see Casino Royale go to ebay and buy the one with David Niven in it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 25 Nov 06 - 07:41 PM If ya mean that she looked more like a real dame with a real personality than like a plastic slut...you got it right, Divis. She had personality. But, hey, whatsamatter? Weren't the other two dames in the movie slinky enough to do it for ya, even if the main dame wasn't? Man, if Dachau was like that there woulda been people linin' up at the gate just to get in, I figure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: GUEST,Daniel Craig Date: 25 Nov 06 - 08:42 PM The real question is, does the old Divis Sweeney still fit the role? My opinion is that he is long past his prime. His tired routine is getting really "old", to use the popular vernacular. I expect he will be retired soon and a younger and far more marketable face will be found to replace him. This can only result in improved box office, I would think. Why hasn't it been done already? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 25 Nov 06 - 08:52 PM Lacks a story????? If anything, there is probably more story here than in any other Bond flick. After seeing it and giving it some thought, this may be my favorite of the Bond flicks. The Casino Royale with David Niven is unwatchable. I tried to put it on a few days ago and found it full of stale British humor from the 60's and it just wasn't funny. It may have been great to watch in its day, but the film is a pile of crap when viewed in modern times. Go see the "new" Casino Royale with an open mind and I think most people will agree with the rave reviews. There is enough chases and excitement to satisfy the Bond jones that we fans have, but the addition of the twisting story, good cast, and beautiful cinematography made it a wonderful picture. To say that Eva Green looks like a concentration camp victim is a sign that you need to have your glasses checked, or you need to take lessons on making jokes. That one did not work. She was brilliantly cast in the role and played it well. She looked great. For the first time, I did not miss Sean Connery. Daniel Craig OWNS James Bond now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Nov 06 - 10:46 PM "Casino Royale" was Ian Fleming's first Bond novel. It grew out of a stunt that Fleming and a couple of other Naval Intelligence people came up with during World War II. They were in Lisbon, and they found that several German agents were busily cleaning up at the chemin de fer tables with the idea of using their winnings to finance espionage operations. Fleming's idea was for British agents to gang up on the Germans and wipe them out at the tables, scuttling their scheme. It seemed like a good idea at the time, and there were various reports as to what actually happened, but less biased reports said that the plan was a flop. Fleming and his cohorts wound up losing their butts to the Germans. But Fleming thought it was a great idea—in theory. And when he turned his hand to novel writing, he assigned his newly hatched fictional agent, James Bond, to give Le Chiffre, an agent for SMERSH, a Russian assassination agency, a drubbing at the baccarat tables. As I recall, Le Chiffre had made some bad investments with SMERSH's money (string of brothels, I think), and if his bosses found out, his ass was grass, so he was trying to replace the funds with his winnings. Bond was known to be a handy fellow at the tables, so he was assigned to make sure Le Chiffre lost, and let Le Chiffre's bosses "neutralize" him. The plot took off from there. The novel was good. I saw the movie with David Niven on TV and thought it was generally idiotic. Four James Bonds? I mean, what in the hell were they trying to do? The best thing about the movie was Orson Welles as Le Chiffre. I am filled with fear and trembling at the thought of what they've probably done with this one. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 25 Nov 06 - 11:05 PM They did the old one strictly for laughs, Don. (God knows why they bothered though!) David Niven as James Bond has gotta be for laughs, right? This Daniel Craig guy is totally believable. He couldn't possibly be better, even if he were a chimp! You know what it took for me to say that? I hope so. I'm gonna go see it a coupla more times. I would date Eva Green any day of the week...and twice on Sundays. I wonder if those German agents in Lisbon included Otto Skorzeny? I bet he was there. One sharp and dangerous man, lemme tell ya. If the Germans had won WWII, he would be the inspiration for their equivalent of James Bond at the movies. I'm glad they didn't, though. They took a very dim view of chimps, unless they were in cages. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Nov 06 - 11:33 PM Nuthin' wrong with a good spoof, but the first "Casino Royale" wasn't even that. It was just downright silly. I'm sure glad I didn't pay good money to see it at a theater. Don Firth (0067/8*) *That's not a license to kill, it's a license to gaze at and wonder what they might have been thinking--if anything at all.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 25 Nov 06 - 11:39 PM Actually, the David Niven version was the second Casion Royale. The first was television production with Barry Nelson as "Jimmy Bond" and Peter Lorre as Le Chifre. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Nov 06 - 06:42 AM I watched the Niven one last night. Some good humour in the early part. Niven stuttering until he took the 'driving seat' tickled me. Allen esacping from the firing squad by climbing over a wall - only to be facing another squad. Sellers in a pissoir(sp?) checking the other guys credentials. Old stuff now but still funny. It definitely lost it in the last hour though. Sellers going into a goons character. The whole thing in the casino at the end. Only worth watching to see how bizzare some things can get! Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: TRUBRIT Date: 27 Nov 06 - 09:18 PM The King is dead - long live the King!!!!!! I saw it this weekend and Daniel Craig rules!! He is James Bond....no contest. Love M's comment about the cold war. Note to Don Firth - Firth was my maiden name - not a name you see commonly over here......do you have British ancestry? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Don Firth Date: 28 Nov 06 - 01:52 PM Hi, TRUBRIT. Scottish, actually (assuming that Orkney folks consider themselves Scottish). My great-grandfather, Robert Firth, was from Orkney, and like a lot of Orkneymen, hired on with the Hudson's Bay Company around 1850. He was sent by Chief Factor James Douglas at Fort Victoria to survey and assess San Juan Island for raising sheep. Charles Griffin was put in charge of the Belle Vue Farm sheep ranch on San Juan Island. My great-grandfather replaced Griffin in 1861, leased the land from the Hudson's Bay Company, and eventually gained ownership. He raised nine children there, one of whom was my grandfather, Robert Firth Jr. My father, also named Robert Firth, was born on San Juan Island. I have cousins all over the islands. I, on the other hand, was born in Los Angeles, but I live in Seattle. The name isn't too common around here, either. Time was when the only two Firths listed in the Seattle telephone directory were my father and one of my aunts. Now there are eight, but as far as I know, we aren't related. I presume that "Firth" is a place name and since there are a lot of firths (sort of like a fjord in Norway) in and around Scotland, I imaging that the name sprang up here and there among people who were not necessarily related. A whole collection of British actors: Peter Firth, Colin Firth, and Jonathan Firth. Where is your family from? Who knows? We may be related. (PM me if you wish, so we don't drift the thread too far.) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Little Hawk Date: 28 Nov 06 - 03:01 PM I know a very good guitarist named Kevin Firth. He's in the Barrie, Ontario area (Canada). He used to host a once yearly musical get-together called "FirthFest". He favours expensive luthier guitars, like Laskin or Manzer, and has a very ornate and precise playing style. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Don Firth Date: 28 Nov 06 - 03:18 PM Hmm. Apparently not a dominant internet presence. About all I found googling "Kevin Firth" was a swimming teacher in the U.K. and a bunch of stuff that didn't seem to relate. A search for "Firth Fest" came up with miscellaneous female fans of Colin Firth. He's kind of a stud-muffin, I guess. . . . a cross we Firth boys have to bear. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Georgiansilver Date: 28 Nov 06 - 03:44 PM Does the role fit the new James Bond? Considering the original "Casino Royale" film starred David Niven and although recognised as a 'good' film it was somewhat lacklustre by todays standards...the remake of it is a good film in its' own right. However..for those who have been nurtured on the Bond series of films...the lack of 'Q' and the lack of gadgets and incredible stunts, may make it a less interesting proposition. I reiterate..it is a good film in its own right but many who have followed the Bond series of films will perhaps find it a little shaded. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Little Hawk Date: 28 Nov 06 - 10:26 PM Perhaps. I found it a lot more gripping than watching flying submarines, diving cars that transform into telephone booths, rocket-shooting fountain pens, and other such unlikely gadgets... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: TRUBRIT Date: 28 Nov 06 - 10:53 PM Don - PMing you about possible shared ancestry but VERY new to Mudcat so may not do it correctly!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Nov 06 - 01:23 AM Great. Now when is someone going to PM Chongo about shared ancestry? He needs something to pick up his spirits. Come on, people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: GUEST Date: 29 Nov 06 - 04:59 AM Has to rate as the worst Bond flick EVER. Average movie, average storyline and average actors. Daniel Craig is laughable in the role, looks like a corner boy in a dinner suit. East End gangster movie actor. Avoid it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Teribus Date: 29 Nov 06 - 08:08 AM I don't think that anyone from the Orkneys or Shetlands think of themselves as being Scottish. Back in the 1970's when they had a referendum on Scottish independence, the SNP was going on about Scottish Oil, the Shetland and Orkney Islanders told the SNP in no uncertain terms that if independence or home rule was the case, then the same rules would apply to them and that they could elect to go it alone or vote to stay with Westminster, at the time their preference was the latter. That's when the SNP took a good look at where all "Scotlands" oil fields were (All major production fields are up north around the Shetlands). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Nov 06 - 09:54 AM See it and make up your own mind. While the troll may call it the worst Bond flick ever, the individual is not telling us what their standards are. If you like the far-fetched hijinks of the recent films, if you are looking for a plot that doesn't take much effort to follow, if you are looking for a bubblegum shoot-em-up flick, then stay away. I felt that there were many twists and turns to the plot - which used to be the hallmark of good spy flicks and novels. It was nice to see that brought back instead of watching Bond doing tricks that would be out of place in comic books. To say that Craig is laughable in the role sounds like the "critic" is holding him up to the standard set by Moore and Brosnan. No, he is not a pretty-boy that waltzes through a role on his looks. Craig is actually a good actor that looks the part he is supposed to be playing. If you do not walk into the film with pre-conceived notions, I think you will find this to be a good flick. If you like the popcorn feel of the Brosnan and Moore flicks, then you should probably stay away. Give it a chance - it s a new Bond for a new generation of movie goers. I think it is the first Bond flick in decades with any substance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 29 Nov 06 - 07:24 PM Saw it this evening.... like it considerably better than the last Bond film. As an action hero/spy Craig's pretty damn close to brilliant... But Ian Flemings James Bond he ain't. Mind you, he's a bloody sight closer to Bond than Timothy Dalton ever was and WAAAAAY ahead of Roger Moore's eyebrows. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Nov 06 - 09:20 PM Roger Moore amuses me. He would be soooo perfect to take over from Hugh Hefner as big cheese at the Playboy Mansion...or he could become chief editor of Victoria's Secret. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 30 Nov 06 - 06:59 AM He'd have to train a whole new set of fuzzy caterpillars if that happened! What... you thought those were real eyebrows? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: GUEST,Cluin Date: 30 Nov 06 - 07:46 PM Roger Moore finally played the right role for himself in Boat Trip. Connery was definitely the best Bond, if only `cause he got there first. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Becca72 Date: 01 Dec 06 - 04:58 PM Being in my mid 30's my first Bond film I think was Octapussy...sadly. Back then I thought Roger Moore was the bee's knees...but then I grew up and now can see that "nobody does it better" than Sean Connery, followed closely by Pierce Brosnan, IMO. I haven't seen the new movie yet, and probably won't for some time as I'm terrible at going to new movies, but this Craig fellow doesn't strike me as being physically what I'd expect for Bond. But I was upset when they ditched Brosnan, anyway... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 01 Dec 06 - 07:24 PM Ian Fleming himself declared that Sean Connery (ah, be still, my beathing heart) was the closest anyone could ever come to being Bond. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: TRUBRIT Date: 15 Dec 06 - 11:09 PM Yes, but Fleming was dead before Daniel Craig played the role. I can only think if Fleming had seen this version of Casino Royale, he would have asked Connery to move on over......again, the King is dead, long live the King!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: TRUBRIT Date: 22 Dec 06 - 09:47 PM BTW-On Fresh Air this week, Teri Gross had the film critic of - I think - Vogue on ----the person is also her critic at large. He maintains the new James Bond is the best in years........an excellent semi believable movie. I rest my case!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: freda underhill Date: 23 Dec 06 - 04:13 AM Roger Moore, Pierce Brosnan & Timothy Moore were all like male shop dummies - pretty and wooden. I'm glad David Niven never did it - he's too prissy. And Sean Connery, while more rugged, was a caricature of himself, loud and lacking in subtlety. Daniel Craig is the one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:13 AM David Niven did! See the original Casino Royal. Crap film but a good send up of 60's 'hip'. Dunno what Mr Niven was thinking - probably hopes that everyone forgets it like Freda:-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: freda underhill Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:18 AM ..oops, no I haven't seen that one, Dave! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Epona Date: 23 Dec 06 - 08:16 AM SEAN CONNERY. I vote Sean Connery as the best! It's the accent.... E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: TRUBRIT Date: 23 Dec 06 - 05:03 PM Yeah Freda - Daniel Craig is the man. You can believe in him as a human being!!!!!!!! After that I think Connery and then Brosnan. Moore was a light weight and Lazarus, say no more........I must have forgotten someone important .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: GUEST,Keith Morrison Date: 11 Feb 07 - 06:25 PM See the film industry shared the feelings of the rest of the country at the awards ceremony tonight by ignoring that new guy Daniel Craig who never made the expected impact in the role of James Bond. Well done I say, good old Sean Connery will never be replaced. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Alec Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:06 AM Daniel Craig is easily the best actor to have played the role & Casino Royale is more faithful to Fleming than any Bond film since OHMSS.As for Connery well we all loved him but You Only Live Twice,Diamonds Are Forever & Never Say Never Again were all amongst the worst Bond films. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Grab Date: 12 Feb 07 - 06:23 AM So tell us, Keith, when did Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton or Brosnan win awards then...? It's an action film. With rare exceptions, action films don't get awards, except for the stunts. I'd put the acting in Die Hard and Aliens up against anything you like, but awards? none. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Scrump Date: 12 Feb 07 - 09:10 AM Well, I saw th film over New Year and I reckon it's one of the best Bond films (not that that's saying a lot). I'd go so far as to say probably the best, IMO. Since when did these films require much acting ability anyway? The action sequences were good, and the film was great entertainment. What else do you want from a Bond film? Before seeing it I had my doubts about Craig, as I didn't think he had the right 'smooth' looks for Bond, but in the event I didn't really notice or care about that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Feb 07 - 10:05 AM Having seen Daniel Craig in the part, I can finally say: "This time they got it right." Connery was quite good in the part. Craig is even better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: TRUBRIT Date: 16 Feb 07 - 08:50 PM Amen - Craig is awesome!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Leadfingers Date: 17 Feb 07 - 05:31 PM I cant make up my mind twixt Moore and Connery - though I havent seen anything of the latest one yet ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ? From: Leadfingers Date: 17 Feb 07 - 05:31 PM But I DO like 100 th posts |
