BS: Smear Obama Here...

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:06 AM

The other way of course is to arrange some kind of vote-twinning.

So if you like Obama but live in some state where it is inconceivable that he could win, you get in touch with someone in a swing state who prefers Obama to McCain, but who fancies registering a vote for Nader. And you agree that they vote for Obama, and you vote for Nader.

You could do it via the Mudcat with someone with whom you've been arguing about these things. Of course you'd need to trust each other, but what's wrong with that?

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: GUEST,CrazyEddie
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:27 AM

Danny C, Thanks for posting that message from Bill Brown.
I admit, I had my doubts about Obama, but seeing how he voted on all those issues has convinced me he's the right man for the job.

Now, if only I had a vote....

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: DannyC
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 12:43 PM

< Danny C, Thanks for posting that message from Bill Brown.
I admit, I had my doubts about Obama, but seeing how he voted on all those issues has convinced me he's the right man for the job.>>


Yo Crazy Eddie --- precisely...

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 03:13 PM

Thanks, Ebbie!

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 07:48 PM

These are the bad things!


· Supports granting driver's license to illegal immigrants.
· Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.
· Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform.
· Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.
· His religious convictions are very murky.
· Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 07:54 PM

Those are bad things?

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:57 PM

Terrible!

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: DannyC
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 10:04 PM

As with all phobias, a xenophobic person is aware of the fear, and therefore has to genuinely think or believe at some level that the target is in fact a foreigner. This arguably separates xenophobia from racism and ordinary prejudice in that someone of a different race does not necessarily have to be of a different nationality. In various contexts, the terms "xenophobia" and "racism" seem to be used interchangeably, though they can have wholly different meanings (xenophobia can be based on various aspects, racism being based solely on race and ancestry).

For xenophobia there are two main objects of the phobia. The first is a population group present within a society that is not considered part of that society. Often they are recent immigrants, but xenophobia may be directed against a group which has been present for centuries. This form of xenophobia can elicit or facilitate hostile and violent reactions, such as mass expulsion of immigrants, or in the worst case, genocide.

The second form of xenophobia is primarily cultural, and the objects of the phobia are cultural elements which are considered alien. All cultures are subject to external influences, but cultural xenophobia is often narrowly directed, for instance at foreign loan words in a national language. It rarely leads to aggression against individual persons, but can result in political campaigns for cultural or linguistic purification. Isolationism, a general aversion of foreign affairs, is not accurately described as xenophobia.

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 11:58 PM

Of course the problem here is world wide human population growth, and the part that migration plays into it.

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 01:11 AM

He's really not very nice to lobbyists.

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 07:52 AM

I think the distinction between racism and xenophobia is quite important.   One way and another a degree of xenophobia - fear of, or suspicion towards outsiders - is something that crops up in all kinds of times and places, and it's probably true to see it as natural enough.

Racism is something else. The focus for racists isn't strangers and outsiders, it's liable to be neighbours picked out on the basis of some insignificant physical difference, who may well be essentially indistingishable in other ways. It's based on a perverted pseudo-science, and on manipulation. There is nothing natural about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 08:46 AM

A driver's license is proof, one hopes, that the possessor knows how to physically operate a motor vehicle and has passed a very simple written test on driving regulations. It is not, and should never be, proof of citizenship or the legal right to be in the US. There are other documents for that. If supporting granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants is a bad thing, than one assumes that the opponents of this proposal are ok with them being out on the road unlicensed? Having been rear-ended a couple of years ago by a lady who had no license, no vehicle registration, no proof of insurance and who no habla ingles, somehow I think that is a bad idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 09:50 AM

Smear Obama Here... Barak Butter :


smear some on toast. ITs made of ground sun flower seeds, walnuts, cashews and spices. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm good

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 09:57 AM

That would surely depend on what spice was used and in what quantity...

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 10:43 AM

My apologies if this has already been posted: Fight the Smear.

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 10:31 PM

I went there but I couldn't enter. Before you can enter the sire you have to give them an e-mail address and your zip code. I didn't enter. My first thoughts were, "This is somebody not to trust."

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 10:42 PM

A very interesting site, and there is no requirement to enter either an e-mail address or a zip code. One is invited to do so, but need not to view the site's content.

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 10:45 PM

Thank you, Art.

Rigin...I don't know what you're on about unless you're adding to the nefarious smearing!? You do not have to sign up or anything, as Art has said.

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: Willie-O
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 11:29 PM

· Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.
· Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
· Is a big believer in the separation of church and state.


Ummmm....clearly a dangerous character. And I'm stunned that he so often sides with the Democrats! I bet he might be one himself...wouldn't surprise me one bit.

W-O

BTW there was a minor Canadian political scandal a few months ago tied to Obama. It was leaked to the press that "his people" contacted certain Canadian officials to assure them, quietly, that if he was talking tough about Canada, it was just talk.

The leak was, if you heard about it, supposed to damage Obama's credibility. With the people who might vote for him. (A significant number of whom also hold Canadian citizenship, if they could only figure out the rules for expatriate Americans voting).

Funnily enough, the leak was traced to our Conservative Prime Ministers chief of staff, one Ian Brody, who has suddenly resigned, feeling that age-old urge to see his family more often.

This isn't really a smear since it appears to be settled as an even split...minus one for Obama, minus one for Harper.

W-O

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 12:25 AM

"Rigin...I don't know what you're on about unless you're adding to the nefarious smearing!? You do not have to sign up or anything, as Art has said."


                     The site I went to didn't let me access anything unless I gave up that information. Maybe I went to the wrong place. I'll double check.

Subject: RE: BS: Smear Obama Here...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 07:45 AM

Click on the link kat gave. Then try moving your cursor over the underlined blue bits which say "continue reading" and left clicking...