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BS: Wall Street Protesters...
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Oct 11 - 03:48 PM I doubt that anyone here does think that, so why even bring it up? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Amos Date: 06 Oct 11 - 03:54 PM What the Protestors believe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: gnu Date: 06 Oct 11 - 04:36 PM Amos.... Keith Olbermann Reads... the truth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:21 PM Dick, America is faced with a serious problem. Your politicians don't care about the people who voted them into office. People are fed up. People are angry. Read the manifesto Lizzie posted. Please give it a close read. People lost their homes and livelihoods and Wall Street was part of that rip-off. The rich did ok from it all, and people know that. Closing down stock exchanges may not be the answer, but leaving them open sure as hell hasn't worked. The expression that fits this situation is this: I'm so fu#kin' mad I don't know whether to sh#t, wind my watch or steal third. People began to awake in the early 1980s when the first big economic slump occurred. People began to lose their voices. Neither Ottawa nor Washington cared. We all began to see that the game is about money and using money to keep people down. Gradually, with communication being available to the voiceless, people are coming together. Playboys And Playgirls Oh, ye playboys an' playgirls Ain't a-gonna run my world Ain't a-gonna run my world Ain't a-gonna run my world Ye playboys an' playgirls Ain't a-gonna run my world Not now or no other time. You fallout shelter sellers Can't get in my door Can't get in my door Can't get in my door You fallout shelter sellers Can't get in my door Not now or no other time. Your Jim Crow ground Can't turn me around Can't turn me around Can't turn me around Your Jim Crow ground Can't turn me around Not now or no other time. The laughter in the lynch mob Ain't a-gonna do no more Ain't a-gonna do no more Ain't a-gonna do no more The laughter in the lynch mob Ain't a-gonna do no more Not now or no other time. You insane tongues of war talk Ain't a-gonna guide my road Ain't a-gonna guide my road Ain't a-gonna guide my road You insane tongues of war talk Ain't a-gonna guide my road Not now or no other time. You red baiters an' race haters Ain't a-gonna hang around here Ain't a-gonna hang around here Ain't a-gonna hang around here You red baiters an' race haters Ain't a-gonna hang around here Not now or no other time. Ye playboys an' playgirls Ain't a-gonna run my world Ain't a-gonna run my world Ain't a-gonna run my world Ye playboys an' playgirls Ain't a-gonna run my world Not now or no other time. Just a silly little song, but it's taking on new meaning. Do rational people really think that medications cost as much as pharmaceutical companies charge? Do rational people really think the meals served to US troops in the Iraq war were worth $18 a piece? Do rational people really believe that the fifty-or-so billion dollars unaccounted for in the Iraq war was spirited away by tooth fairies? Do rational people really think that when average people are stripped of everything they've worked for they will lay down and die or simply go away? The manifesto Lizzie posted IS the voice of the people, and the people are angry--angrier than Wall Street, Ottawa or Washington can imagine. Fifty years ago one paycheck could support a family. Today, it takes two or three. Why is that? Ford mentioned that if average people could understand the banking system there'd be a revolution tomorrow. Tomorrow has come. IMO, it's late, but it's here. Where was the main-stream media when people first went to Wall Street to protest? Who muzzled the papers, the TVs, the radios? And by what right? We've seen so many examples of manipulation, and having seen those examples we've turned our backs and ignored the obvious. The obvious is biting us all. The sickness called Capitalism can no longer be supported by the average person. And people are coming to realize that. In a very pragmatic sense, shutting down stock exchanges won't change much. But leaving them open hasn't changed a damned thing. When ya got nothing, ya got nothing to lose. North America has lost the stabilizing influence of that thing called the middle class. It no longer exists. One job just doesn't cut it anymore. Families fell apart, kids left to fend for themselves for over two generations. Now we wonder why we've got problems. The system that got us to this state is a system people do NOT trust, and why should they? Why should any of us? I think a door has been opened, and I don't know that it can be closed again. Frankly, I'm not sure it should. Why are there no economically poor politicians? Why when very rich people say they are not being taxed enough do we ignore their statements? Why when stock market manipulation causes people to lose their homes do we not see our jails filled with the trash that did it to them? Why do we see inequities in our penal systems that have an over representation of native North Americans, people of colour, people from disenfranchised backgrounds? There are NO answers forthcoming from anyone, because the answers people receive are horse droppings. Crime pays, especially white-collar crime, and imo all other crime results from that. When US troops and cops point their guns at average people, something's very wrong. It's been wrong for at least a century. YMMV |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:37 PM Amos, I hadn't heard that. If I had I wouldn't have posted. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Jeri Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:40 PM The numbers of those dissatisfied enough to demonstrate is just getting larger. If they get focused on something, they'll be unstoppable. On TV a bit earlier, I saw a Republican politician promising not to take any campaign contribution of more than $100. When it became legal to accept unlimited donations, I think most of us saw where things could be headed. B, tune please? ("Turn Me 'Round"?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:53 PM Well, I have cleared my time for the local Occupy Wall Street Saturday afternoon... Will be interesting... BTW, OWS ain't just young white kids... That's Republican speak... When you look at the pictures, study them carefully... And as this movement picks up steam watch for a lot more Baby Boomers... This is so exciting... In mjy wildest dreams I never thought that I'd see the oppressed rise up against the corrupt corporations... And, yes, as LH pointed out, Wall Street is the symbol of what has gone wrong with out democracy... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:56 PM Look carefully at the OWS signs. This is not partisan. This is not a Democratic Party rally. This is a rebellion by the 99% against the $y$tem, perpetuated by both Republicans and Democrats, that has created an underemployed, overworked, overtaxed (relative to the 1%) voicele$$ majority. If you look at what we want (listen to Amos' link above), you'd expect the Tea Party to be on board. Why aren't they? It's easy - the Tea Party is a phony creation of the 1%. The 1% and their wholly-owned "news" media are making sure that Tea Partiers think the 99% is a bunch of druggie punks. If the Tea Partiers listened, and thought for themselves rather than listening to FAUX, they would realize that they are the 99% as well. They are on our team - they're just being told they are not. They will wake up. The revolution is building - let's just be damn sure to keep it peaceful! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Donuel Date: 06 Oct 11 - 05:57 PM What a freakin coincidence.... I just happen to have a song hanging around that just might blend in with the wall St. Protesters.... The Wall St. March By Don Hakman {Adult language, Adult content} Wall St. got money for nothing and checks for free We got the nothing and paid for their greed Wall St. will stop laughing and know what we mean. When we take back their banks and their fortunes are seized. When the rich lie cheat and steal they call it success They tell us OBEY us and clean up this mess Shut up or else, the rich ass holes dare But complain once and oooooo, its Class Warfare. CHORUS Occupy Wall St. Never retreat, from the wealthy mobsters down on Wall St. March to stop their criminal schemes and come and join the American Spring Boys will be boys with all their tom foolery Like taking my home and job from me. Wall St. bets on disease and wars. Oh how they love their money and whores. Now they're after our unions, police and great teachers They defile us on Fox with blondes and fake preachers. Wall St. wants us to pay and pay and pay The day that stops is today, TODAY, TODAY. CHORUS Occupy Wall St. Never retreat, from the wealthy mobsters down on Wall St. March to stop their criminal schemes and come and join the American Spring. Bankers sold our country short They attacked America on a bet They paid themselves billions And gave us their debt. Banks should be our servants not our slave masters Wall St Bankers are greedy, fat bastards They are the 60 Trillion dollar pranksters And the best dressed mobsters and gangsters CHORUS Occupy Wall St. Never retreat, from wealthy mobsters down on Wall St. March to stop their criminal schemes and come and join the American Spring Get out Boehner, Blowback's a bitch. The American people are demanding a switch. Things are really not as they seem Hank Paulson dreamed up the American ream. Wall St, got money for nothing and checks for free We got the nothing and paid for their greed Wall St. will stop laughing and know what we mean. When we take back their banks and their fortunes are seized. Wall St. will stop laughing and know what we mean. When we take back their banks and their fortunes are seized. Wall St. will stop laughing and know what we mean. When we take back their banks and their fortunes are seized. {Bruce I trust you to put a march behind this and bring it to life) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Oct 11 - 06:56 PM Send it to 'em, Don. Jeri, I'll sing it for you when you come up. Bring your guitar. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 06 Oct 11 - 07:06 PM GREAT Placard! :0) For those who don't use Facebook, as that's where the link goes...it's a photo of a young man holding a placard which states: "Dear 1% We fell asleep for a while We've woken up Sincerely, the 99%" Nearly 7,000 people on here now: The 'Occupy Canada' facebook page.... And now they're into Washington - Mother Jones article Nearly 6,000 people on here: Occupy The London Stock Exchange facebook page In the words of Richie Havens - "They can't hide us anymore* Bruce, that's an excellent post, above. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Oct 11 - 07:30 PM As btw, I first heard the song Playboys and Playgirls from Gil Turner in 1964/5 (I think). I have no idea who the author is. Like some of the 'protest' songs from those days, it may have many authors. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 06 Oct 11 - 07:38 PM Brilliant article on the Quants (the physicists who've moved into Wall Street) (and yes, it's from the Daily Mail, but written by a freelance writer, so don't get yer knickers in a twist!) ROBERT HARRIS: How supercomputers preying on human fear are taking over the world's stock markets And this is even better, except it's kinda depressing when you start to realise what they've done..which is basically scientifically fucked up The System with Beyond Comprehensible Mathematics, but hey, they're making OODLES of money, so they don't care... "Isn't it a problem that I don't understand what you are trying to explain to me?" says the interviewer to a Quant...who laughs, with his buddies...and explains, patronisingly, that he was actually 'dumbing it down' for her.. 'Quants - The Alchemists of Wall Street' - Youtube |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: dick greenhaus Date: 06 Oct 11 - 08:18 PM Little Hawk- I was responding to Lizzie Cornish's post of Oct 6. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Oct 11 - 10:01 PM "The Occupy Wall Street movement has its roots in Vancouver, home base of anti-consumer magazine Adbusters. On July 13, 2011, Adbusters published a spread calling on people to occupy New York's financial district. The magazine's editors say they were inspired by the Arab Spring, and envisioned a similar uprising in the United States. The protests began on Sept. 17, when a few dozen people tried to set up tents in front of the New York Stock Exchange. Since then, hundreds have flooded the nearby park, which has become the operating base for Occupy Wall Street." From today's Globe and Mail, fyi. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Oct 11 - 10:34 PM Mostly Liz, The first part of your first post on there is absolutely correct!...as I also have been bitching about the same things, often with MUCH resistance. I do not subscribe to 'going back' as you suggested that I was. But I DO recognize the problem got to this boiling point, BECAUSE of the corruption of globalist bankers, and the politicians, who masquerade under the title of 'Representatives' (I must have at least 200 posts referring to this!).....and of course have met stubbornly silly opposition, mostly from some Democrat ideologues on here, that somehow their party, and/or 'their guy' were exempt and not part of the collusion,...through the corruption, from the big business guys. Scroll back under my name and you will see that I've been expounding on that, for well over two or three years! "petecockermouth" hit it on the head, as to the same thing that has happened over there!!!! So in that premise, you're singing to the choir....but, when you go through the 'demands', and cross reference them with each other, they don't make sense...and I believe, that certain political factions, are using this very opportunity, CONTRIVED these events, not to bring 'change' THROUGH PEACEFUL MEANS, but to create a necessity, for the government, in conjunction with the big business guys to CRACK DOWN, financially and militarily against our own countrymen, and FORCE the change, that even YOU or anyone on here will like AT ALL!! Now, before blood gets shed, from either side, or before you, or any loved ones have to decide, to have to shed blood, as a result of controlled and manipulated groups of people, don't you want to find out, FOR SURE, that this is not a concoction????!!!???.....using real issues, for false solutions?????....by people with ulterior motives?? This doesn't interest you, at all?????? For the exact SAME reasons I don't trust the Tea Party, nor the Democrats, nor the Republicans..I don't truth this either, when the smell of a rat is as strong as a skunk! Now, does this seem unreasonable to you?? In other words, before Americans start killing each other over this shit, it would be a tragedy, beyond describing, if it was started over a group of people being whooped up, and lied to!! ....and the clue to the lies are found in the demands. All you have to do, as you read them, is ask yourself.."How can they ask this, and not have to use BORROWED money(from who) to accomplish it??!!?? Try it....something don't make sense......unless.......(to be continued).... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Songwronger Date: 06 Oct 11 - 10:36 PM Yikes! Adbusters. Found an article written by a self-described right of center guy. He says... Adbusters makes caviar socialists like Dominique Strauss-Kahn look like the salt of the earth, saviors of the working class. They basically prey on college students and twenty-somethings unsure of themselves but with distrust in authority, selling their massive and expensive glossy magazine. Were Occupy Wall Street an organic creation, then I'd be slightly more sympathetic to the cause. But this is Adbusters' wet dream... Of course the people in Occupy Wall Street don't have clear reasons or goals. Adbusters made it that way. And that alone fills me with rage. Despite all its bluster about the virtues of an advertising-free world, Adbusters uses the very techniques it excoriates corporations for. It uses marketing to try and kill marketing. Why do Adbusters writers and editors hate personal choice so much? Because their utopia would be a nightmare for most Americans. "What makes you think you have the right to drive around with a ton of metal wrapped around you," asks the September/October 2003 issue, "the right to twist a tap and get hot water, the right to flick a switch and get your house warmed up?" Were the Adbusters group to get its way, hundreds of years of progress would vanish. The very name of the group implies destruction of private property. This is specifically advocated in nearly every issue of the magazine. The slick glossy has a cover price of $7.95 -- more than twice the price of People, Vogue, or GQ. The Adbusters website features a plethora of products for sale, including videos, posters, calendars, postcards, books, and even a 3x5-foot "corporate" flag -- the American flag with the stars replaced by corporate logos. http://bornagainredneck.blogspot.com/2011/10/who-is-behind-occupy-wall-street.html Tell me it ain't so. Is Occupy Wall Street just a marketing campaign? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 Oct 11 - 10:47 PM Hey Songwronger!!..You got it!!!....How's the music coming??(Better, I hope!)...because YOU have something in there to say!...and something great!..It WILL come out!!!...if it isn't already! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Songwronger Date: 06 Oct 11 - 11:29 PM Guitar playing's on hold for a while, or songwriting, at least. I'm currently writing other things, but I'll get back to creating chaos out of melodic order eventually. Thanks for that link to the kids playing the banjo/fiddle/guitar piece. Amazing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Oct 11 - 01:11 AM Composers have the 'privilege'...and 'duty', to contain the chaos. It is the process. I have faith in you...and best of wishes that you accomplish your work. I took a break from guitar, and composed, for a while, on keyboards. TWICE it has got me international recognition! So, whatever you're working on now, GO FOR IT!..Again, I have faith in you! GfS P.S. Also, again, anything I can do...........holler! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 07 Oct 11 - 03:54 AM What's 'driving' the young people, GfS, is nothing to do with any advertising/non/anti-advertising campaign. It is Loss of Hope. And when you feel that way, you start to get VERY angry, particularly when there is now a tool such as the internet to open the truth up to the world about how this has all happened. This is just the beginning...there's a way to go yet, for sure. But it was one helluva of a beginning... And don't forget, that so many will be losing their jobs soon, even more than at present, so many will be losing their houses, have already lost them....But you will have empty houses out there with no-one to buy them.... Today it was announced on the local BBC News that there are around 3,000 people in North Devon on the Housing Waiting List, that is, waiting for the Council to house them, for they cannot afford to buy or rent homes of their own any longer. There are NINE houses available for the 3,000. Do the Math. Then do the Anger Math. Work out what is going to happen, when even MORE will lose their homes, as they know will come to pass.... Anger will spill over into Violence, for as Bruce says so often, if you have nothing to lose, then you feel you have everything to gain.. It is my belief we are now in the middle of World War III. It became a SIN to have an opinion, to be politically incorrect...and the Thought Police were all over anyone who dared to stand up and say "Hang on, Your Emperor is Stark Bloody Naked!!!" I know. I tried it umpteen times and the Wrath of Mudcat and The English Folk World rained down upon me...People told me I was a nutter, thick, stupid, ignorant... Well....................................... The kids don't have a life expectation as you and I did. They are going to have a LONGER life in years, yes, but they have no hopes of starting life with no debt, saving for a home, buying that home, raising their family in it, having A LIFE!! ALL they can see is The Conveyer Belt of Life that has been invented for them by The Corporate Bastards. Well, guess what? They don't want it! They don't want to study, work, consume and DIE. They want to LIVE! And they are BLOODY well DETERMINED to fight for their Right to do exactly that! There are BILLIONS of GOOD people out here, and the odds against The Bastards are shittier than they have ever been before. So, I do not agree with you. This is coming from the very hearts of the people themselves, who have educated themselves about who the enemy actually is, what has been happening, what they have ALLOWED to happen, and where they now want to go... As Chief Oren Lyons says, over and again, in his many videos out there on the internet, it is time for us to become our Own Leaders, for why would you want to blindly follow those who are intent on leading you over the edge of a cliff without once questioning what they are doing.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Oct 11 - 03:55 AM dick - Okay. Sorry. 999 - Playboys and Playgirls was written by Bob Dylan in the early years (probably around 1962. He never recorded it, but I guess some other people did. I hope this thing finally shakes the monied elite right off their ivory tower. Wouldn't that be something to see! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Oct 11 - 03:57 AM Thanks, LH. I appreciate the info regarding the song's authorship. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 07 Oct 11 - 07:24 AM OWS an organized marketing campaign?!? Get your ass out here and look before you spout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 07 Oct 11 - 07:38 AM How to make a life-long Activist in just a few easy moves... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:22 AM So many people have lost their homes as a result of the Reaganomics melt-down that home ownership, according to NBC this morning, has now dropped to percentages not seen since the Great Depression... BTW, here's how the ballgame is working: Bank forecloses > rich people buy (steal) house > rich people rent house to working class = more shift of wealth to the rich... That's happening across the country... Millions of homes have been and continue to be gobbled up by the drowning-in-cash-rich... And for 50 cents on the dollar... Don't believe me??? If you know any "honest" broker who will tell you the truth ask him or her... The rich never cease to amaze me on just how creative they can be to cheat the working class... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Oct 11 - 10:25 AM Liz, I agree with most of your post. Yes, people are angry, and like you, I have posted a bazzilion post on Mudcat, about the big globalist corporations in collusion with crooked, paid off politicians, OF BOTH PARTIES, bilking the public for everything they can...while hiking taxes, to pay for loans, for programs that they convince people are going to be used in 'representing' the people's wishes, ..but instead, use those funds to interfere with the policies of other nations, and causes...without the approval of the people that they are taxing, nor an accountability of where the monies went, or to who, of for what! ..and have put not only us in hock, but the next generations ...to which, some on here, have tried to make me out to be 'the bad guy', when I point out to them that this is corrupt and wrong! Those are the SAME people, when I was opposed to the Federal Reserve, and called for their investigation and disbandment, as did John Kennedy, called me everything in the book, then deny it. Now these same idiot-logues back the 'protesters'.....who want the elimination of the Federal Reserve!..Go figure! Oh, how fast these people jump on the bandwagon.....oh, how fast these people become obsolete, by attaching themselves to any passing fad, who claims to 'be on their side'......even though within the last week or two, they vehemently opposed, what they now say they support!...and why?....because they very ones they are NOW supporting, have been pretentiously wrapped up in the APPEARANCES of being 'anti-corporate'..when in fact, this particular movement, is a manipulation, for the government to step in, and lay down the MAJOR crackdown, on behalf of a COMPLETE corporate/government/globalist totalitarian nightmare! If there was the assistance of an ad company, as alluded to by ANOTHER poster, it sure would be interesting to discover WHO'S account! Who hired them, and what are their ties to them....I mean, if you want to follow the 'money trail'! ...but YES, I agree with you. People ARE angry..people are out of work...people are NOT being represented by their elected officials..but I'm not convince, in the least, that this Wall Street protestations are being formed by a 'pure' grassroots movement.....any more than I believe that the Tea Party is a 'pure' grassroots movement, nor the Democrats are representing the people who are even Democrats, nor the Republicans, the same. Guess what? Real grassroots movement comes up from the street.....not from someone's well funded corporate offices. At this point, I am not convinced that this is nothing but a ploy! Another thing, SOME of the demands are the SAME as the Tea Party's..but with a 'not-so-bright' twist......that SOUNDS appealing, but is utter nonsense, once anyone THINKS IT THROUGH....first of all the want 'absolute debt forgiveness'..then they demand everybody gets a 'living' wage, REGARDLESS of employment....where is the money going to come from, and what form of 'MONEY' are we talking about?...a LOAN???..Fiat money, just being printed??..by who??...what makes it worth anything??..what is it backed by?? LOANS?????..by who?? Sounds like the proverbial jump from the frying pan to the fire, to me! How about you? And as a addendum,..There are those on here, who like to paint me as some sort of hostile creature...especially when they get their lies called on..by me, that they are NOT making ANY sense whatsoever. (The Bob and Don Show was the latest),...I, in NO way mean any disrespect for you and your post, nor your person..in fact, of all the people who have posted about this subject, who are leaning toward support of it all..yours makes more sense, and is, at least consistent with your prior posts....careful of those who want to jump on your bandwagon, just to interject their nonsense of hostility. Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Oct 11 - 11:46 AM And as a addendum,..There are those on here, who like to paint me as some sort of hostile creature...especially when they get their lies called on..by me, that they are NOT making ANY sense whatsoever. (The Bob and Don Show was the latest),... The problem with your responses to other people, GfS is that you characterize well-thought and supported opinion as "lies." That is guaranteed to chafe. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 07 Oct 11 - 11:53 AM Please, don't call me 'Liz', GfS. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 07 Oct 11 - 12:02 PM Seeger 'n' Springsteen - The Ghost of Tom Joad |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 07 Oct 11 - 12:47 PM Thanks, Lizzie... I loved that part of Bruce's career and went to hear him on his Tom Joad tour... Think that was around '96... Constitution Hall in DC... Very nice concert... All acoustic and no accompaniment... BTW, I last saw Pete about 8 years ago at Common Ground in West minster, Md... Heck of a down to earth guy... Signed my program and actually talked with me for at least 10 minutes... Haven't kept up with today's events because I'm outside working... Just taking a short lunch break... Looking forward to tomorrow's meeting/rally in Charlotte... This all takes me right back to the late 60s... Lotta energy... BoA (Bank of America) has started charging $5 a month ($60 a year) for each debit card... Thousands of people are moving their accounts out of BoA and setting up accounts with credit unions and local banks... Good... Boycott is something that a lot of non-monopoly corporations understand... The war is "on"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 07 Oct 11 - 02:03 PM Yeah!! Sock it to 'em, Bobert!! :0) x |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 07 Oct 11 - 03:07 PM A fair amount of activity out here on the West Coast just as there is all over the United States, mirroring the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York. CLICKY #1. Story with pictures: CLICKY #2. The future: CLICKY #3. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 07 Oct 11 - 03:58 PM "Real grassroots movement comes up from the street.....not from someone's well funded corporate offices." Which is why the Tea Party is so phoney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: dick greenhaus Date: 07 Oct 11 - 06:27 PM The Tea Party very likely started out as a grass roots organization (or dis-organization)---it had no real effect until it was taken over and directed by organizations like Fox. What made it possible for them to have the power they have is that its disparate members (simple-minded libertarians, Conservative Christian activists, and general malcontents)simplified their message to "Cut Spending and taxes"and pressured candidates in local elections and primary fights, even though the Tea Party was never ver popular among the general population. Tee Wall Street protesters should learn from their successful methods.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 07 Oct 11 - 06:56 PM "Tee Wall Street protesters should learn from their successful methods.." That's just it. The Tea Party wasn't successful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: dick greenhaus Date: 07 Oct 11 - 08:01 PM Guest999- If you don't think the Tea Party has been successful, how do you explain what's been happening in Congress, or the tone of the Republican Primary campaigns? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 07 Oct 11 - 08:11 PM I guess this all comes down to defining success... Yes, the Koch brothers and Dick Armey threw hundreds of millions of dollar$$$ into hundreds of campaigns and got a lot of "their" people elected... The problem is that these people were other rich people and not the grassroots kinda folks... In incoming freshmen House class is the richest class in history with an average net worth of $1.4M... So success??? Not on a grassroots level but on the corporate level... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Suffet Date: 07 Oct 11 - 08:56 PM Greetings: My wife Marilyn and I just got home after spending part of four of the past five days at the Occupy Wall Street encampment at Liberty Plaza (Zuccotti Plaza) in New York City. Most of the time I have been singing, mostly Woody Guthrie songs but also a few of my own and a couple of labor union standards such as Which Side Are You On? Other times I have just been wandering around, listening to speakers and performers, or talking with people. At one point this past Tuesday, Ron Jacobson, a libertarian reporter, interviwed me. Here is a clickable link to a video of that interview. For some reason Jacobson identified me as a union leader, although I had told him that I was never more than a rank and file member. My overall impression is that the Occupy Wall Street encampment is an incredibly well organized event, considering how many people are involved. The system of leaderless horizontal democracy is working very well. Food is plentiful, nutritious, and tasty. Warm clothing, socks, hats, tarps, blankets, sleeping bags, etc, are freely available. There is a library, a media center, child care, a communications center, all sorts of training, and more. What is especially impressive is the method of public speaking without electrical amplification. The speaker says one short phrase at a time, and then everyone in the crowd near the speaker repeats what he or she just said. It's instant human amplification. What a brilliant idea! Let me just add that I haven't felt this optimistic in a long, long time. --- Steve Suffet |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:14 PM Right on, Steve!!! Power to the people!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: dick greenhaus Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:37 PM Bobert- "Yes, the Koch brothers and Dick Armey threw hundreds of millions of dollar$$$ into hundreds of campaigns and got a lot of "their" people elected..." Agreed. But they supplied the campaign money----Where do you think the votes came from? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Don Firth Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:43 PM Great, Steve! Thanks for that! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 07 Oct 11 - 09:45 PM Well, dick... I hate if but the fact is that the candidate who spends the most $$$ wins 90% of the time... This is part of what the OWS movement is about... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 08 Oct 11 - 12:22 AM American politics is a total basket case but Chongo Chimp is a shining light at the end of the tunnel. In Canada we have a leader who wants to copy the American system and the end of the tunnel remains dark. Wall Street is an emblem of corporate greed that controlls the political puppet strings, so that is a great place to protest the screwing of the common folk! Power to the people! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: akenaton Date: 08 Oct 11 - 03:23 AM Capitalism, even at grass roots level is driven to a certain extent by greed and exploitation. What these people are protesting about is capitalism....they dont know it and if they did could never say it and be taken seriously. Any form of revolution would require the loss of life, personal property and what passes here for liberty. Little Hawk said months ago, that we are not yet desperate enough to become revolutionaries......what is happening right now is a little posing and play acting.....whistling in the dark, or as I mentioned earlier, X Factor politics. Any attempt to remove the Capitalist systen will be met with extreme force.....and dont think that is a joke, many thousands will die. I hope sense prevails and we understand that systemic change can only be effected by long term unity.....not short term divisiveness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: akenaton Date: 08 Oct 11 - 03:40 AM and please dont cite the demise of the Soviet Union as an example The people who controlled Communism had no vested interest in the system, unlike the Capitalists, who will never walk away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: akenaton Date: 08 Oct 11 - 03:50 AM "My overall impression is that the Occupy Wall Street encampment is an incredibly well organized event, considering how many people are involved. The system of leaderless horizontal democracy is working very well. Food is plentiful, nutritious, and tasty. Warm clothing, socks, hats, tarps, blankets, sleeping bags, etc, are freely available. There is a library, a media center, child care, a communications center, all sorts of training, and more." For fuck sake wake up.....dont you realise you are facing "the Empire".....you are not on a Sunday School picnic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Bobert Date: 08 Oct 11 - 09:25 AM Nah, Ake, ol' buddy... Revolution doesn't have to mean loss of life... All the progressive movement needs is just some "microphone time" to counter the corporate propaganda machine... People just haven't been presented with progressive ideas going back to the late 60s, early 70s when the corporations squashed the last progressive movement... So what we have are a lot of highly brainwashed people who are voting against their own interests... People aren't stupid... They are mis-informed... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Greg F. Date: 08 Oct 11 - 09:26 AM they supplied the campaign money----Where do you think the votes came from? Ignorant morons? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: GUEST,999 Date: 08 Oct 11 - 10:37 AM "For fuck sake wake up.....dont you realise you are facing "the Empire".....you are not on a Sunday School picnic." The thought has crossed my mind. So has the following from an essay by Tom Paine. "I have as little superstition in me as any man living, but my secret opinion has ever been, and still is, that God Almighty will not give up a people to military destruction, or leave them unsupportedly to perish, who have so earnestly and so repeatedly sought to avoid the calamities of war, by every decent method which wisdom could invent. Neither have I so much of the infidel in me, as to suppose that He has relinquished the government of the world, and given us up to the care of devils; and as I do not, I cannot see on what grounds the king of Britain can look up to heaven for help against us: a common murderer, a highwayman, or a house-breaker, has as good a pretence as he." |
