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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Peace Date: 10 Feb 05 - 05:02 PM You do that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Peace Date: 10 Feb 05 - 06:21 PM Hey, Ard, I too am sorry you were the GUEST. What specifically got your shorts in a knot with what I wrote to Den? BM |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Big Mick Date: 10 Feb 05 - 06:48 PM Unless I missed something, it seemed like a straightforward apology, well given, and without condition. Well done, Bruce. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: akenaton Date: 10 Feb 05 - 07:23 PM Just heard on TV British Govt are considering re-convening the NI Assembly and excluding SF from the political process. This bodes ill for peace in NI, as SF have the support of over 350,000 NI voters. These voters will of course become dis-enfranchised should SF become excluded. This would seem a strange stance for a UK government which espouses support for democracy in other parts of the globe...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Peace Date: 11 Feb 05 - 12:46 AM The apology was given honestly, openly and without condition. Den and I have exchanged a few messages and he's a really nice guy. Thanks for that, Mick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: ard mhacha Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:27 AM Brucie, I haven`t a notion, I had no problem with your apology, but thanks for giving me the chance to give Ian Og a faceful of dandruff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: freda underhill Date: 11 Feb 05 - 06:28 AM Just heard on TV British Govt are considering re-convening the NI Assembly and excluding SF from the political process. This bodes ill for peace in NI, as SF have the support of over 350,000 NI voters. These voters will of course become dis-enfranchised should SF become excluded. This would seem a strange stance for a UK government which espouses support for democracy in other parts of the globe...Ake good point, Ake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Feb 05 - 07:21 AM Well, it only takes about ten seconds to check that about the UDF, Den. Not that keeping track on all the daft initials the paramiitaries used from time to time is too easy or maybe has much point. But it was you who put in a correction to a previous post by brucie, and the correction was in fact wrong. One encouraging thing though - when I put UDF + Northern Ireland in Google, to check how long it took, the first UDF that came up was the United Dairy Farmers.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Dave Hanson Date: 11 Feb 05 - 07:23 AM Why are so many mudcatters IRA/SF apologists ? eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Big Mick Date: 11 Feb 05 - 08:18 AM Why is it that some mudcatters have a screwed up sense of history? The British government, in cahoots with a bunch of transplanted folks, take a country from its inhabitants, discriminate against them in housing, schooling, employment. They detain them without charge, and harass little schoolgirls. When someone speaks up for them and takes the challenge, they are called an apologist. Why didn't you ask the question as to why so many think this Northern Irish policy implemented by the British government to keep control in Parlamaent to the detriment of the Irish folk living there is a good thing? Pretty stupid question. And why didn't you question the apologists for the loyalist thugs? Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Feb 05 - 08:43 AM The British government, in cahoots with a bunch of transplanted folks, take a country from its inhabitants... - be fair though, Mick, that could as well refer to the USA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Big Mick Date: 11 Feb 05 - 08:56 AM Yeah, Kevin, I was thinking that as I wrote it. I apologize for snapping off there, but folks are always so damn onesided when it comes to this discussion. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Den Date: 11 Feb 05 - 09:54 AM Bruce, the public apology wasn't neccesary but I admire you for doing it, you're a civil man. I was satisfied that we had ironed out our differences privately, thanks again. It goes to show that communication is still the best medicine. McGrath I did do a check on UDF before posting. Obviously I didn't check enough. What did you turn up? Mostly I was going by my own experience. I have already apologised for jumping to my feet a little quickly and Bruce knows the rest. UDF in the grand scale of things is still insignificant when it comes to the other organizations mentioned above. I've said it before and I will say it again. Unionists and loyalists do not want to share power. That's been the way of things since this state was brought into being. If you have been following any of this sorry scenarion since the introduction of the Good Friday agreement then you will see it has been one stall tactic after another to bring the fledgling assembly to its knees. If it wasn't Sinn Fein it would be any other Nationalist supported party that significantly challenged the establishment. Now the IMC has said that it has information linking high ranking Sinn Fein members to the robbery but guess what they are not divulging it. Funny though how they had no problems making empty accusations to the press. The comedy continues. A major search operation in west Tyrone linked to the Northern Bank robbery has ended with nothing found, police today confirmed. A business and two homes belonging to brothers Michael and Liam Donnelly from Beragh were searched by police for 36 hours. During the searches, an area of land was dug up and police used radar equipment as well as divers to search a pond. Nice to see all that intelligence gathering being put to good use. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Big Mick Date: 11 Feb 05 - 10:03 AM
There you go, being an apologist again, he says with tongue planted firmly in cheek. Well said, Den. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Dave Hanson Date: 11 Feb 05 - 10:19 AM Point is Mick we don't make excuses for what Ai Qaida did in your country, terrorism is terrorism full stop. and IRA/SF deliberately targeted innocent victims like ALL terrorists do, I don't care what the history is, chldren can never be legitimate targets, only the twisted ideals of terrorists accept this. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Big Mick Date: 11 Feb 05 - 10:34 AM I have no disagreement with that, eric. My problem comes from one sided rhetoric. By omission, you give the loyalist thugs a free ride. Happens all the time. One talks of Irish terrorists and SF/IRA pops out, but rarely the various loyalist acronyms. The root of the Irish struggle is just, even if some of the tactics are not. I never agreed with targetting civilians, especially children. I just tire of folks that have a onesided view, and use the IRA as a convenient way to remain intellectually lazy. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Den Date: 11 Feb 05 - 10:44 AM Well you'd better widen your net there Eric. The British Army/UDA/UVF (remember the collusion reports or did we just make that up) deliberately targeted innocent victims like ALL terrorists do. Let me see Bloody Sunday springs to mind. Oh and you might want to talk to the parents of 10 year-old Stephen Geddis, chased down by a British soldier in the street and shot dead at point blank range (40 yards) with a plastic bullet. Then there's ex 13 year old Brian Stewart. Shot in the face with a plastic bullet from 10 yards by a British Soldier on foot patrol. Julie Livingstone made it to the ripe old age of 14 years old when she was shot in the head by a British soldier from a distance of 7 yards. Her crime, she was returning from the shop on an errand for her mother. Little Carol Ann Kelly who's family I know personally, aged 12. Shot dead by a British soldier from a distance of 5 yards. She was bringing home a carton of milk. Mind you they never checked the carton. She could have been carrying anything. A point that I'm sure was taken into consideration by the inquest because this soldier and none of the others I mentioned were ever convicted of any wrong doing. Sadly I could go on and on Eric but I think your point is well made. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: GUEST,Jimmy C. Date: 11 Feb 05 - 11:26 AM Hi all, I haven't been here for a while but have been reading the submissions with interest. I would really appreciate it if some who write on this topic would read a little about the history of Ireland, especially the 6 counties. We have at the present time armies fighting all over the world for the cause of democracy, - That is what the root of the problem in N.Ireland is all about democracy or the lack of it. This statelet was set up against the overwhelming majority of Irish wishes. It has been maintained ever since for one purpose only, that is to keep the northern catholics in line as second class citizens, discriminated against in housing, jobs etc. What other countries call rights, the loyalists call concessions when it applies to nationalists. For the past 80 odd years the world has stood by and watched this happen, but if the same things were taking place in any other country the world would be furious, the U.N. etc would demand corrective action, but not in Ireland. As far as the actions of the british and the british army I think you all know where I stand, they are a bunch of thugs in uniform, If they were not in the army they would be following the soccer teams to Europe and causing havoc wherever they go. But getting back to the Bank riad, I believe that this operation was too sophisticated for even the P.I.R.A. My money would be on the possibility that it was the S.A.S., deliberately staged to discredit Sinn Fein and the I.R.A.- Think about it, all was going the way of the nationalists, they have adhered to the ceasefire - but that was not enough - They carried out decopmmisioning, witnessed by the selected people , but that was not enough, they offered to destroy all their weapons, and have it witnessed by a protestant and a catholic clergyman, but that was not enough. All this was leading to a lot of questions as to what do they have to do next. To prevent them getting an increase in public ralations something had to be done to set them back - thus the bank job. In the middle of the day, in the city centre of the largest city in the north, where one cannot walk 20 yards without bumping into a policeman they were able to steal 26 million pounds and get clean away. No witnesses ?????. All of a sudden the accustaions come out - it was the P.I.R.A. - show us the proof, that is simple enough - show the proof. It is obvious that the authorities are stalling hoping against hope for some thread of evidence or hoping that some nationalist gets mad enough to do something stupid like setting of a bomb etc. It is clear to me that loyalists politicians do not want the Good Friday Agreement to succeed, if so why is 80% not implemented yet. The loyalist want nothing less than to go back to the old days, with a complete surrender of the nationalists and the nationalist dream - well it ain't going to happen. Show the evidence or shut up about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Feb 05 - 01:51 PM After that Google I did which threw up one meaning for "UDF" as United Dairy Farmers, I've been thinking what some of the other sets of initials in the Northern Ireland Alphabet Soup could be used for, when they are no longer needed. IRA - Irish Rastafarian Association UVF - Universal Vagrant Fellowship DUP - Dialectical Urban Proletariat UDA - Urinal Disinfection Agreement... |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: ard mhacha Date: 11 Feb 05 - 02:18 PM What a wonderful wedding present and so much appreciated by Charles and Camilla, a half million Pounds of Northern Bank notes, this is real power sharing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Peace Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:18 PM "My money would be on the possibility that it was the S.A.S., deliberately staged to discredit Sinn Fein and the I.R.A" The SF and IRA have done a good job discrediting themselves at it is. I don't think they required help from the Special Air Service. A similar sort of thing happened in Quebec when English language rights were taken from the English speakers of the province. Canada stood by and allowed it to happen. Approximately 800,000 English speakers had their language rights taken away. So, while I do make an effort to understand the Troubles--a process started by the British, I fail to see that Irish killing Irish brings the difficulties to a close or to a satisfactory conclusion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: akenaton Date: 11 Feb 05 - 06:10 PM Bit of a conundrum this, could be as jimmy c says dirty tricks by the british government in colusion with loyalist interests to discredit SF/IRA and give an excuse to remove them from the political process. But would the UK govt really want the return to the "armed struggle" that this would inevitably lead to? The other scenario ,is that the IRA, realising that their objectives (united Ireland)were never going to come to fruition though the ballot box, pulled off the robbery leaving enough evidence to ensure that the UK government had no alternative but to expell them from the assembly. This would ensure that SF/IRA could still portray themselves as the injured party and go back to "armed struggle "to deliver their objectives...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Peace Date: 11 Feb 05 - 06:58 PM About 1/3 way down the page |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Feb 05 - 07:09 PM One can speculate and speculate and have all kinds of theories about why anyone could have set this one up - I listed a few possibilities up the thread, and I didn't by any means exhaust the range. But as yet there's no convincing evidence pointing in any particular way. The one thing that is pretty unarguable is that whoever set it up, if they had any political motive (which they may well not have had, in fact), that would have been to try to stymie the peace process, and ensure that there wasn't going to be any administration involving Sinn Fein in the near future. I'd say that probably rules out the core Sinn Fein leadership and the core British Government leadership - but it leaves an awful lot of other possibilities. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Big Mick Date: 11 Feb 05 - 07:21 PM I don't see the point in the speculation. It is just as wrong to speculate that "The Brits" did it as it is to speculate that "SF/IRA" did it. That is just posturing on the basis of one's bias. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: akenaton Date: 11 Feb 05 - 07:29 PM Agreed McGrath... But what if the SF/IRA leadership decided that the peace process was not going to deliver their objectives,due to the immovable stance of NIs loyalist community. Personally I cant see a United Irish Republic being delivered through the ballot box any time soon. Im very much afaid it will take another round of murder and mayhem from both sides before the politicians bow to the inevitable...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Feb 05 - 07:35 PM That's the kind of scenario that I had in mind by saying "probably". I don't exclude it, but I'd think a lot of other possibilities are more plausible. But I'd say Big Mick was quite right in that last post of his. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: GUEST,Jimmy C Date: 11 Feb 05 - 08:28 PM Brucie, You are right of course about Quebec, it should never have happened as Canada is supposed to be a bi-lingual country, and I suppose if they had to change all the signs in Quebec to bi-lingual then would have to do it in all other provinces and territories and that would be a huge expense. I am not a french speaker but have travelled widely in Quebec, not only to the tourist attractions like Montreal and Quebec City. I have been to Riviere-du-loup, Trois Rivieres, Cap-du-la-Madeleine, Ste Anne du Beaupre , Berthier de Mer. Bromptonville, Magog, Charlesbourg and similar places and I have always found people who can speak english, sadly the opposite is not true. Quebecers are expected to speak english in Ontario and elsewhere. Being a French province I don't blame them for trying to preserve thair language and their culture, I just think they went a bit overboard with the signage question, as we say in Ireland - Tir gan teanga = tir gan anam. (A land without language is a land without soul). The situation in the north of Ireland is different in that the nationalists want only civil rights, they want democracy, they want to be treated as equals, they don't want any favouritism whan applying for a job, they just want a fair chance of being hired based on what you know and not who you know, and the knowledge that being a catholic will not hinder your chances in any way. By the way - Quebec is a beautiful province and I will be there again this year July 9th to 12th. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Peace Date: 11 Feb 05 - 10:07 PM I grew up in Montreal and am very familiar with most of the province. Things have levelled out in Quebec. I wish they would in Ireland. It is awful that people are treated poorly--discriminated against because of the religion they profess or were born into. I hope I haven't made light of that or given the impression I condone it. I do not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: akenaton Date: 12 Feb 05 - 04:30 AM Well McGrath .,as i think you know the history of NI inot a matter of bias, but one of clear right and wrong. I have no religious or national bias, but can recognise the wrong that was done to NIs Catholics, by succeeding UK governments. In these circumstances I think its permissible to speculate on the current problems. Every thread on Mudcat is in the most part speculation, so why should NI, or the conduct of the different factions be beyond the pale. Could a discussion of the actions and motives of these people be a bit uncomfortable to certain folk on Mudcat? You are correct in stating that any thread on NI usually ends up a shouting match between Republican and Loyalist sympathisers, but I think a bit of serious speculation might open a few doors in peoples minds...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: akenaton Date: 12 Feb 05 - 04:50 AM Sorry to double post ,but talking to friends from NI, I feel there is still an underlying sense of occupation in a large section of the population. It might be helpful to try to explore how the representatives of those people deliver their expectations ,within the current political set up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Feb 05 - 07:44 AM Pretty well all history isn't so much a matter of right and wrong, as of right and wrong and wrong and right. It's not speculating as such I'm against, and I do a fair amount of that myself - it's when speculation is built on speculation, and people start treating the initial guesswork as fact, and forgetting how speculative it is. That's more or less what the British and Irish authorities have done in this case - and I think it's a good idea for the rest of us to guard against following their lead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Big Mick Date: 12 Feb 05 - 10:20 AM This idea of having a serious discussion on the issue of the troubles isn't new on the Mudcat. We had quite an interesting one, with observations from both sides of the issue some years back. It revolved around the lyrics of "Back Home In Derry". You can read it HERE All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Den Date: 12 Feb 05 - 10:37 PM Keith, can you detail your proof that the Bank robbery was in advanced planning by the IRA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Feb 05 - 02:18 PM Now they are being accused of a murder. The victim was a Sinn Fein supporter from a Republican area of Belfast. He was stabbed and his throat slit. His family, including his wife and sister, say it was a PIRA killing and that senior Sinn Fein persons are involved in a campaign to intimidate witnesses. The local community staged a candlelight vigil in protest. RTE report |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Feb 05 - 02:25 PM Den, I have no proof at all. Hertford is in England. I merely observed that the police on both sides of the border, and the London and Dublin governments all say PIRA was responsible for the robbery, and sought the views of others. Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: akenaton Date: 14 Feb 05 - 05:28 PM I see NI slipping back into conflict again ,after the false dawn of the Good Friday Agreement. The blame lies on the shoulders of the Irish and UK governments, and the loyalist people of NI. Both governments are indicted of cowardice and the use of the NI situation to manipulate domestic voting. Also in failing to recognise publically the historical wrongs which led to the supremist position of the loyalist section of the NI population. The loyalists are wrong in expecting their priviliged position to be allow to continue. The two factions are so polarised, that I believe all the expectations generated by the GFA were false, as the loyalists never wanted power sharing ,and the republicans never really believed that a united Ireland was achievable "democratically". Like Iraq, it seems there must be more bloodletting before the sins of the fathers are finally cleansed...Ake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Feb 05 - 01:21 AM Akenaton, On one of your points, I can respond. NI situation is not used by UK government to manipulate domestic voting. Sadly, there is not sufficient interest here to make it an election issue. None of the main parties use it in campaigns. Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: GUEST,Wolfgang Date: 17 Feb 05 - 07:00 AM "The IRA has said it was not them. I believe them. But maybe I am wrong....What I can say categorically is that Sinn Féin was not involved." (G. Adams, in an interview) Interesting wording. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: GUEST Date: 17 Feb 05 - 07:29 AM Gerry Adams will never ever say anything anti IRA for the simple reason IRA have a history of murdering their own if they speak out. Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness are little more than terrorists themselves, and they made McGuiness minister of education for fucks sake |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 17 Feb 05 - 12:17 PM Irish police investigating the funding of PIRA have arrestes people in Dublin and Cork, and recovered millions of pounds in Northern notes. The IRA have denied the killing of Robert McCartney. Mr. Adams has not said whether or not he believes them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: GUEST,Steven Date: 17 Feb 05 - 12:36 PM I am certainly no expert on the Northern Irish question, either past or present but I think it makes little or no sense that the IRA was behind the Belfast robbery. If it was behind the robbery it did not do a very good job as it has been caught already (after only a month or so). Why would the IRA do this now? In the past I think they would have, yes when the 'war' was going on, but why do this just as the process is going forward? This may sound naive on my part but I don't think it is, after all what have they gained? What would be their motive aside from the purely financial? Of course those opposed to the peace process would have a motive, namely to derail the process itself. Logically speaking it makes sense (if the robbery was primarily politically motivated) that this robbery was planned and executed by those who are against what most sane people would see as progress. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: GUEST,Wolfgang Date: 17 Feb 05 - 12:57 PM With no immediate aim and much less of the former training and action, any paramilitary organisation can fall apart, even the IRA. Some subgroups reminiscent of the former glorious action days and not feeling fit for the political way of Sinn Fein, could use their military training and knowledge of weapons for a more private purpose. 'Rafia' is a name used to describe that development. Similar developments happen to the Loyalist paramilitaries, but they may lack the ability for such a coup. It has been reported that people are being intimidated or prevented from assisting the McCartney family in their search for truth and justice. We wish to make it absolutely clear that no one should hinder or impede the McCartney family in their search for truth and justice. Anyone who can help the family in this should do so. (IRA) Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: GUEST Date: 17 Feb 05 - 02:43 PM "Why is it that some mudcatters have a screwed up sense of history? The British government, in cahoots with a bunch of transplanted folks, take a country from its inhabitants, discriminate against them in housing, schooling, employment. They detain them without charge, and harass little schoolgirls. When someone speaks up for them and takes the challenge, they are called an apologist. Why didn't you ask the question as to why so many think this Northern Irish policy implemented by the British government to keep control in Parlamaent to the detriment of the Irish folk living there is a good thing? Pretty stupid question. And why didn't you question the apologists for the loyalist thugs?" Interesting thing on t.v about "Tin Town" ? De va Lera's certainly did nt handle the IRA with kid gloves, he interned them for for years on end. What bias would he have been exhibiting, given his roots? As for harassing little girls, atleast they were not murdered in their mothers womb. If the title of the thread or the content of the post included the loyalist terrorists then your arguement would be valid. Ask the questions you want answered, see how soon people throw up the SF/IRA link. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: GUEST Date: 17 Feb 05 - 02:45 PM wonder who the SF representative is that got scooped, at most as part of the Northern Bank raid gang and least part of money laundering for good old SF/IRA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: Dave Hanson Date: 18 Feb 05 - 04:34 AM If anyone thinks there is a differenc between Sinn Fein and the IRA they are at best niave at worst stupid. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: GUEST,Keith A o Hertford Date: 20 Feb 05 - 12:11 PM It is getting harder to believe the denials of responsibility. If as seems likely PIRA did do it, what of their tactic of withdrawing from arms decommissioning on the grounds that it was outrageous that they should be accused? What of their refusal to allow photography of decommissioning? Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: michaelr Date: 20 Feb 05 - 05:11 PM This just in: Irish government names three top Sinn Fein officials as IRA members. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Feb 05 - 05:26 PM As Wolfgang pointed out "Some subgroups reminiscent of the former glorious action days and not feeling fit for the political way of Sinn Fein, could use their military training and knowledge of weapons for a more private purpose. This seems a far more likely explanation than one involving a deliberate action by the IRA in consultation with the Sinn Fein leadership. If there was any political motive behind the robbery, this could only have been intended to stymie the peace process, and damage Sinn Fein. That could still be consistent with it having been carried out by Republicans opposed to the process. Always remember, any speculation here is done from outside the loop, with only partial information, which is drip-fed to us through the media. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA? From: GUEST,Tiocfaidh Date: 20 Feb 05 - 06:06 PM The Irish Republican Army has only one purpose:- to get the British out of Ireland. Now that that aim is almost complete (a much un-accepted fact, I might add), its function is likewise almost complete. Whatever else is going on here; and remember also the much more serious, proven cases of collusion between the actual Law Enforcement Agencies of the six counties, and the illegal Loyalist Paramilitary Organisations, this robbery is not the work, nor the sanction of the Provisional IRA. Fact of the matter is (much to the annoyance of many more, I further to add), that Sinn Féin is fast becoming an extremely viable party both north and south of those change in road signs that 'The Border' has become. All the rest is just Party Politics, and so it will continue to be. 'The IRA' is a decent enough stick to brow-beat Sinn Féin with, especially if it gets you a sympathy vote at the next election. And God help us, but Bertie and the bhoys need all the deflection they can get these days in the wake of the Ray Burke fiasco. Nice to see all the Brits (both Eastern and Western) getting their collective knickers in a twist over this one. You must be feeling rather impotent as you watch Britannia lose one more wave. (as if you hadn't enough problems of your own these days....) The Intelligence may well be sound (although would you take your country to War over it...., again?). The bitch, though, really lies in the interpretation of it, don't you think? And where have we heard that one before? Grow up, for Christ's sake. |
