BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 12:27 PM

200.

Back of the net!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 12:27 PM

Arrrggghhh! Pipped at the post.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 02:31 PM

this conversation has strayed towards another....actually...

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 02:41 PM

Teribus, Only the Queen receives money from the Civil List
(Currently £7,900.000) Prince Phillip of Greece and Denmark, Duke of Edinburgh, receives £359,000, from where at this time I know not. However I was of the understanding that several other members of the Royal Family received payment for their varoius duties, standing in for the monarch perhaps. I am aware that various Government departments have budgets dedicated to activities of the Royal Family and their numerous deputies. I think the Guest is trying to ascertain the total cost of all "Royal" events be it as they said travel, grace and favour housing for example, entertainment, security etc etc.
As an example according the the Civil List of 2008 the Queen spent £66,749 on wines and spirits for receptions, personally I think this is a very low figure given all the functions that the Queen hosts, (and what I spend on parties at home)perhaps individual government departments also fund events that the Queen and her deputies host but which are not funded from the Civil List. Therefore the Guest, and I for that matter, would like to know the full cost of supporting the Queen, her family and various other members of the Royal family. Anyone any ideas?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 03:47 PM

As an example according the the Civil List of 2008 the Queen spent £66,749 on wines and spirits for receptions, personally I think this is a very low figure given all the functions that the Queen hosts

She should get the buggers to bring a bottle. Few of the people who attend the Queen's "receptions" are short of a bob or two. Here's me buying three for ten quid at Asda while she spends my dough on vintage champers for rich people. Something of a microcosm there...

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 05:18 PM

Honestly, Steve-the-Abuser, if I were quite as stupid as you I should try to keep the fact to myself, rather than persist in demonstrating it so blatantly on an open forum like this one.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 05:33 PM

ho-hum.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 05:36 PM

From the Officil Website of the British Monarchy:

"Other than The Queen, The Duke of Edinburgh is the only member of the Royal Family to receive an annual parliamentary allowance to enable him to carry out official public duties.

Since 1993, The Queen has repaid the annual parliamentary allowances received by other members of the Royal Family. Most of the allowances received are spent on staff who support their public engagements and correspondence.

In 2000, the annual amounts payable to members of the Royal Family (which are set every ten years), were reset at their 1990 levels for the next ten years. Apart from an increase of £45,000 on the occasion of The Earl of Wessex's marriage, amounts remain as follows, provided by The Queen:

The Duke of York (£249,000 per annum)
The Earl of Wessex (£141,000 per annum)
The Princess Royal (£228,000 per annum)
The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester (£175,000 per annum)
The Duke and Duchess of Kent (£236,000 per annum)
Princess Alexandra (£225,000 per annum).

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 05:39 PM

Just for a change - one thing on which people on both sides of this dispute shoule agree on.

I'm talking about the BBC's lamentable programme covering the Thames Pageant. We should surely all agree it was pretty badly done, with pointless "celebrity" interviews slotted in in a tasteless and intrusive fashion, and horrible vox-pops every few minutes.

Of course some people might see this as a bad thing and pthers as a serve-them-right good thing. But that's another matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 06:34 PM

""You are a pathetic little loser, Shaw. Can't even be consistent to your own declared self-regarding principles, can you!?""

Wasting your breath Mike. You'll never make a silk purse out of that aural appendage.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 07:36 PM

Ho hum indeed! :-)


I win!


Well, not really. No testosterone puddle at the bottom of my turn-ups!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: ollaimh
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 10:22 PM

i suport the queen and her family as tourist attractions./thhey would make fine greeters at a tourist trap theme park and it would be a job within their mental and educational capacities. her hiney would stand gfor pictures with every tourist that passes and actually pay her way in the world. charles on the other hand might be a tourist repellant.camilla is about as charming. so will and kate would have to be relied on to be the main presenters of disney world of the royals uk. a disney world of the royals park would be much cheaper to maintain than the present palaces and infrastructure. and they would generate actual provable income for the nation.

ans shaw don't let gno get to you. his decline into profanity is pretty much to be expected from a moncton uneducated redneck.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: ollaimh
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 10:30 PM

now as to whether i would change my point of view if i inherited an estate of size well i would like to so i hereby annunce once again my campaung to be king.

i prefer king of canada but i will take anyold place that will elect me as long as they don't use the guillotine right after. or at any time.

and if you vote for me as king i promise to create the worlds' only truly egalitarian democracy. i will make everybody a member of the hosue of lords. we we all be nobility. you can be the duke of what ever you want to be duke of, or duchess or both(it's the twentyieth first century after all). yes vote for me as king and i will do it for no salary. i just want the right to busk anywhere i want in the nation and a crown. the people should know that that particular busker is the king after all.and i'd like a few rooms in a few palaces across the countrty and a decent caravan to sleep in on the road. after that i'll pat for my monarchy with busking money. if king of canada i'll happily give the same deal. i'll abolish the senate and create a canadian house of lords and make everyobe a member. again i want a room at the governor generals mansion and one at each lt gov mansion and go busking tours across the country.

so i hope i have your votes as the first elected monarch of canada and the uk. in addition i promise to die, and leave my wealth to the nation(s)

VOTE FOR ME AS KING

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: ollaimh
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 10:33 PM

OH YEAH IF YOU VOTE FOR ME AS KING I WOULD LIKE YOU TO HIRE ME A TYPIST AS WELL

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 11:55 PM

Oh Raggytash, Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, has not been Prince of Greece and Denmark since March 1947 when he renounced both titles as a condition for his engagement to Princess Elizabeth.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 12:00 AM

"Wasting your breath Mike. You'll never make a silk purse out of that aural appendage.
Don T"
.,.,
Daresay, Don. But few amusements remain at my time of life. Winding up the foulmouthed little fool helps to pass the time (tho as it sez in that fatuous farrago Waitg4Godot, it would pass anyway}. Hope he will continue to rise to the bait to ongoing entertainment of us all. Just love the way the silly little loser keeps declaring he has won, don't you? What do you think he imagines he has 'won', do you think?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 01:23 AM

and if you vote for me as king i promise to create the worlds' only truly egalitarian democracy. i will make everybody a member of the hosue of lords. we we all be nobility. you can be the duke of what ever you want to be duke of, or duchess or both~~~

,..,

Sorry olly; but W S Gilbert anticipated this scenario in Iolanthe [1882]. You are but 130 years behind the fair.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 02:10 AM

BTW: reverting to old Shaw-the-Foulmouth, Seem to dredge up from memory that, for all his anti-intellectual guff like denouncing perfectly normal vocabulary as 'arcane' and so beyond the comprehension of simple souls like him, he is actually not quite such a fool as he likes to affect; proclaiming himself, when in the mood, as a graduate of one of our more distinguished seats of learning ~ Imperial, iirc, or was it UCL?

Whichever, can't help wondering what satisfaction he gets from all this anti-intelleckchual pretence when he can't really be quite such a fool as he likes to come over.

Quite a piece of work all-in-all, aren't you, Foulmouth, me old ducki-daddles?

〠☺〠~M~〠☺〠

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 03:42 AM

Teribus, my error over Prince Philip, he's also Lord High Admiral, does that carry a salary of any note? The people you mention who are "subsidised" by the Queen, who pays for the upkeep of the properties they live in, do they pay a rent do they pay for transport, utilities and the myriad of other expenses that you and I have to fork out for on a daily basis. What the early guest and now myself wish to ascertain is the true cost of sustaining both the immediate and the wider royal family. I for one suspect it is far higher than we are led to believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Musket
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 03:44 AM

Royalist or Roundhead?

Well, the Roundheads buggered up Christmas and didn't hold with the equivalent of folk clubs in their day, whilst the Royalists wore much fancier nice clothes and took pride in their appearance. Scrubbed up well, according to the art galleries.

Anyway, Cromwell paid himself far more than Charles I claimed as a stipend.

In The Indescribablyboring this morning, (the only free on line iPhone newspaper app) there was a letter that agreed that a President where politicians are barred from being appointed seemed a good idea. Also agreed that President Attenborough had a nice ring to it. But President Clarkson?

That's the problem with ruddy democracy. The best system we have but used by gullible impressionable people, or the population as we call them. (Even the Trots can vote apparently.)

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 04:15 AM

Agree about the BBC coverage. I did not want to see various celebrities showing off in front of the cameras, or interviews with ordinary spectators waving flags. I wanted to see the Pageant from start to finish. The lack of background knowledge on the part of the presenters was breathtaking. Their commentary was inane. The camera shots kept moving away from interesting moments (eg the Queen's barge coming through Tower Bridge) Wish I had Sky, as my friends said it was excellent!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 10:29 AM

Raggytash & Guest

The sites and the information are all readily available, but:

(1) "he's also Lord High Admiral, does that carry a salary of any note?"

No - the title is purely honourary.


(2) "The people you mention who are "subsidised" by the Queen, who pays for the upkeep of the properties they live in, do they pay a rent do they pay for transport, utilities and the myriad of other expenses that you and I have to fork out for on a daily basis."

They do, they all pay tax even the Queen herself pays tax. If however, they are performing "official duties" they will be trnasported to and from engagements and it required to remain overnight their accommodation will be paid for - they themselves will receive no actual pay for carrying out those duties. I take it that if you or "Guest" were required to attend an interview some distance from where you lived you would expect that the party inviting you to attend would cover your travel expenses, overnight accommodation cost and a per dium allowance for incidental expenses.

(3) "What the early guest and now myself wish to ascertain is the true cost of sustaining both the immediate and the wider royal family. I for one suspect it is far higher than we are led to believe."

The true costs for sustaining the Royal Family are borne entirely out of the income from "The Crown Estate"; "The Duchy of Lancaster" & "The Duchy of Cornwall", they are viewed as tax deductable expenses against the profits generated by those three estates as it worked out last time I checked into the coffers of the Exchequer:

The Crown Estate paid £230million
The Duchy of Lancaster paid £4million
The Duchy of Cornwall paid £8million

That is AFTER all expenses of the Royal Family immediate and wider have been met - They cost the Tax Payer - NOTHING - ZIP - ZERO - NOT ONE BRASS RAZZOO

PS - Hands up all those who have been "working" for the last twenty years without a pay rise??

If we had "Elected" Presidents what would their expenses be?? I believe that they would cost us one hell of a lot more than the present Royal Family does. How many terms would any one President be allowed to serve?? What would their pension (index linked no doubt) be? Security for all for the remainder of their lives? Oh it would all come out of what was formerly The Crown Estate but the net return to the Exchequer would be much lower.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: BrendanB
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 11:32 AM

MtheGM and Don T (and probably many others), please don't be horrible to little Stevie Shaw. His postings are a source of much harmless amusement to me. If you upset him he might take his comfort blanket and go elsewhere. Although he asserts he is never upset the vituperation count goes up significantly when he feels that he has been insulted and for someone who doesn't care what others say about him he seems to keep a remarkably close count of every real or imagined slight. And you have to enjoy his belief that any opinion he holds must be true regardless of any evidence to the contrary.
Don't take him seriously, he does too much of that himself. You don't need to rise to his silliness, he just wants to be noticed. Let's just let him cavort in his 'I know everything' persona; he doesn't matter - and he makes me laugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 12:53 PM

Interesting thing there Teribus. The truth can sometimes get in the way of views.

In fact, as the chief marketing tool of UK PLC, it is far more cost effective than any marketing tool that actually costs money... People rattle on about the tourism they pull in as if that is is insignificant, and you know in one way, it is. It is insignificant in terms of the jobs and GDP we get on the back of having them. I used to unashamedly have the Union Jack on our marketing, product leaflets etc for our industrial goods. Considering I find the flying of the flag outside your home to be repugnant, that takes some explaining.

It is because Buy British used to work, and to an extent still does, in emerging markets, especially around the Pacific Rim. I doubt that would be the case if we had an elected president. With all respect, how many crowds would the Irish President draw in Japan or South Korea? Come to think of it, in Dublin?

Mind you, luckily, we were spared having Prince Andrew manning our stand at trade fairs, possibly because we didn't sell arms......

It is easy to be a Republican when you become conditioned to hate everybody above (and below) you in the food chain. That's the problem this country is facing worse than most others. It isn't always nice to go down the pub these days... Egalitarian used to be a noble state to aspire to, but now it just means dumbing down and pretending to celebrate diversity so long as those you celebrate are people who you like to think look up to you.

I'm off to my counting house now to count my money. if you need me, bugger off.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 06:29 PM

""What do you think he imagines he has 'won', do you think?""

"Imagines" is the operative word there Mike, somewhat barren in one who lacks imagination, except in matters of circumventing fact, wouldn't you say?

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 06:46 PM

""MtheGM and Don T (and probably many others), please don't be horrible to little Stevie Shaw. His postings are a source of much harmless amusement to me. If you upset him he might take his comfort blanket and go elsewhere.""

Steve doesn't like being compared to Pete because Pete only believes in God and the Bible. Steve believes in STEVE and that is SO much more important.

Don't worry Brendan, he isn't going anywhere. His ego wouldn't permit him to leave until he is satisfied that he has WON, but he hasn't a clue what the prize is that he is trying to win.

So SSSSssssshhhhhhh! Don't tell him. It's much more fun that way.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: ollaimh
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 07:08 PM

and further more if you vote for me as king, i will convince the acrribean islands of the turks and cacos to join canada . that will raise the canadian average winter temperatures.   so i promise to make canada warmer in the winter!

but i still want a typist

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: ollaimh
Date: 08 Jun 12 - 07:18 PM

common guys my candidatcy will not go viral without some enthusiasm and mass support, this is your chance to jopin the nobility and get a fee(almost) monarch in the bargin.

ok as a last ditch promise as king i promise not to post on mudcat again

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,p
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 04:57 AM

just in from a long shift at work -this conversation has taken a most unpleasant line recently. are there actually a few trolls under a bridge somewhere casting spells and curses on that horrible steve and all the other lefties. is the new king of canada going over the bridge in a cardboard coach and are the BBC failing to make an interesting and incisive documentary about the style and cut of the emperor's 60 year old clothes? get a grip you guys - this is just a conversation, life is just a ride and -of course- we need a world revolution to rid us of the rich and powerful who are killing the planet and stealing anything good from ordinary people everywhere. honestly-it's not rocket science, even for trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:11 AM

"Royalist or Roundhead?" Didn't we end up with something in between! The Stuarts (or at least the direct male line) believed in their divine right to rule and in the end it cost them their throne as the last Stuart monarchs (ie the daughters of James VII & II) and the later Hanovarians accepted the idea that royal power had its constitutional limits!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Tunesmith
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 09:02 AM

The sad thing is that if there was a referendum on the future of Monachy in the UK, the retention of the monachy side would win hands down!
Supporting the Monachy is a vote for a society of deadful immoral extremes.
A society where pensioners die of hyperthermia because of lack of money, and of a royal family with obscene amounts of wealth in land, property, jewellery, art works etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 09:08 AM

The poor are out there, we feel sorry for them, but there it is. The socialists have become very boring about it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:39 AM

The poor are out there, we feel sorry for them, but there it is.

... and of course nothing can be done about it except wring our hands and weep crocodile tears...

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:50 AM

It seems to me that the notion that getting rid of the royals would in itself somehow make a significant contribution towards making us a more equal society is an example of magical thinking. It's like imagining that getting rid of the weathercock on a building would bring it crashing to the ground.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Tunesmith
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 11:25 AM

Getting rid of royals - and making the reasons for their departure very clear to the populace - would be a big step towards creating a fairer - and much better - society!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 04:26 PM

Getting rid of royals - and making the reasons for their departure very clear to the populace

..would make them demand to know why it was done against there will by an intellectual liberal elite who think they know what is best for them.
You are an anti-democratic fascist.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:00 PM

sure-or at least maybe-but there are things that no government can ever -it seems- have a grown up discussion with people about
-
-unilateral disarmament
-inequality and privilege
-who is really running the show?
-raising taxes for things that people need-or like
-prosecuting bankers and other thieves from the 1%
-could our police and armed services be better?
-are families always hard-working?
-legalising drugs
-are engaging, single slackers what make this country great?
-michael gove???
-we don't really need a monarchy, do we?
-workers with pensions-decent folk trying hard in difficult times or scum who must pay for the crimes of the wealthy?
-people with disabilities-scroungers or victims of misfortune?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:30 PM

hi boko - 'the poor will always be with us'- maybe - but things could get better if we all make the effort. are a few less than jolly idealists pointing out the obvious really the bigger problem for you?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Tunesmith
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:48 PM

'the poor will always be with us'. That's probably a true statement, But it doesn't have to be like that!
But then I really shouldn't be talking like this; after all I'm simply a mere subject of our wonderful - filthy rich - Queen.

P.S. And I'm governed by a pair of filthy rich politicians!

P.P.S. By the way, isn't there a case for claiming that "God Save the Queen" is sacrilegious?
After all, we all know what Jesus(i.e. God)thought about rich people!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:58 PM

It's a great pity that Cliff Richard did not perform with The Shadows, then he might have sung in tune for all the songs he performed at the Jubilee Concert.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 07:01 PM

God save the Queen... and all those that ride on her coattails. If you don't think you do, read some history. I was asked early in this thread to explain myself and I said for readers to watch the TV program about Her Beth and the Jubilee and why "it is". Do that. Read some history. It's not up to me to educate you about what the royal family does for you. Fact is, you detractors can spit and spew all you want. She will continue to do her job, even though you detractors don't even know what she does. Your loss.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Ian Mather sans cookie
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 04:56 AM

One or two on this thread reckon if we abolished the Monarchy, the poor would be lifted from their sad state of being. Oh, and reckoning it wrong that if we voted we would keep them. Or democracy as some of us call it.

Fuck me, heard everything now.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 04:58 AM

i don't think we are short of information about what the queen and her family do, they do get the occasional mention in the media (eg when asked if he was looking forward to getting home for his birthday, prince philip nodded) particularly when there is a positive side to the story. whereas the real extent of the political influence of this randomly selected family or the travel costs and 'business' details of andrew's 'job' tend to be a bit less open to discussion. while they may well work hard in what they perceive of us 'our' interests, this is not the point. which is they represent a system based on inherited influence and wealth. here, they are a family who are clearly presented as better than the rest of us, no matter how they behave we must remain loyal and entreat god to intervene on their behalf. i'd say there are many millions more people who could do with a bit of help -the royals can manage fine. if they just toned down the lavish spending a bit - and does anyone need more than one huge london home and a country retreat - did proper jobs and encouraged 'their' people to believe that everyone in the uk is equally valuable etc.....we could all have a more adult and friendly relationship with the windsors. (i am better than no-one and no-one is better than me - she could put it on our christmas cards)

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 05:56 AM

...which is they represent a system based on inherited influence and wealth.

They certainly do, but as well as representing it they spearhead it and legitimise it. They make it more possible for the House Of Lords to get stuffed with brainless toffs. They give credibility to the accelerated privilege of public school attendees and help to ensure that the cabinet, the City, the "elite" universities and the upper echelons of the armed forces will always be dominated by them. Their vast holdings of land and property implicitly justify the exploitation of the people who do the real work for the big landlords, who are the laziest, greediest, most useless and most damaging people in the country. In fact, they legitimise greed itself.The royals make all these things that much more possible and that much more difficult to oppose. They have the money, the power, the pageantry and the lackeys to put on grand shows that make them look the benign symbols that they are most assuredly not. Loving the royals is similar in many ways to believing in God: it requires a complete suspension of critical examination.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Tunesmith
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 07:13 AM

Exactly!

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 07:15 AM

Keith A ......... surely you are not suggesting that by supporting Royalty we are truly supporting democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Stu
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 07:40 AM

"It's not up to me to educate you about what the royal family does for you"

Without being rude, are you in a position to tell the people that live in the UK, pay part their portion of taxable income to the monarchy, who read about them every day, are taught about them in school, see them on TV virtually every day, in the papers every day, are familiar with their history both ancient and modern, hear them expound their views, follow their careers, their relationships, visit their homes, live amongst 1500 years of history that includes much strife and war, and are directly linked to that history?

Somehow, I think not.

Many people in the UK might disagree about the worth of the Royal Family, have various opinions about whether they should be paid for by taxes, land ownership etc, but every opinion is as valid as the next whether you like (or understand) the debate or not. The casual viciousness that has been demonstrated by some posters on this thread is regrettable, but that says more about them than anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 09:09 AM

Keith A ......... surely you are not suggesting that by supporting Royalty we are truly supporting democracy.

YES.
In a true democracy, the people should choose what kind of democracy they want.
If we have a large majority who favour our popular and successful constitutional monarchy, it would be undemocratic for an arrogant liberal elite to decide that they can not have it.

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: Stu
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 09:12 AM

How do you know there is a large majority? Guess? What you see on the telly? Or have you conducted a referendum?

Subject: RE: BS: Wonderful Jubilee celebrations
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 09:33 AM

"after all I'm simply a mere subject of our wonderful - filthy rich - Queen." - Tunesmith

Ah Tunesmith I take from that totally incorrect statement that you do not possess a British Passport.

If you did hold one you could open it up at the personal information page and see clearly that under the Title - Nationality - it states:

BRITISH CITIZEN

Sugarfoot Jack what potion of our taxable income gets paid to the monarchy??

The Monarchy is not paid for by taxes. You and others keep banging on about this and keep trotting out this MYTH Perhaps you could come up with some form of subtantive proof that they are "paid for" through taxes. I will not hold my breath waiting for you to provide it.