BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Nerd
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 11:30 PM

CarolC, I agree that this is one of the silliest things on Mudcat. But to me the silly thing is your refusal to admit when you have insulted someone.

Your last post, for example, amounted to "You know, I'm not going to say what I think of you because that would not be nice."

Just saying THAT is not nice. Just saying THAT is an insult. Just saying THAT is not keeping your mouth shut when you have nothing nice to say, which most certainly is NOT your policy.

But I'm sure you don't see that. You never do anything offensive, and the rest of us are entirely to blame. Have it your way then.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Peace
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 11:39 PM

And then a voice was heard . . . .

All right, what the hell's going on here. Everyone get to bed. NOW!

Now I lay me down to sleep,
And pray my friends will count some sheep,
And when we wake another day,
This thread will then have gone away.

Good night Billy Bob. Good night Mary Lou. Good night Susie Ellen. Good night John Boy. Good night Willie Shatner. Good night Obi Wan. Good night y'all.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 11:52 PM

Martin Gibson you cowardly little shit!

You fucking two bit troll. Fuck off yourself!

I just came on this thread to call you a shit. Apparantly idiots like Nerd can't tell their smell from yours.


Nerd.

You ignorant slut. You have no sense of irony.

Now you have been insulted. Study what I have said. I do this to you as a favour. Maybe now, you will take your head out of your ass and stop whining.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Nerd
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 12:44 AM

Actually, I prefer being insulted in the way you have done it, JTS. While it is, you will have to admit, rather puerile, it's so much better than the cowardly, whining way (to use two of your words) employed by others who use tortuous logic to try to prove they never insulted you.

I also like the fact that after CarolC accuses me of making personal attacks, and I ask her to give me an example, she tries to take the moral high ground by saying that it would be unkind of her to point out where I have been unseemly, and that she NEVER says anything unkind, unless human rights are being violated.

Bullshit. There WERE no personal attacks. CarolC makes blanket accusations, and when she is called on them, her husband comes in roaring shit and fuck and acts like a child.

Well, you have showed US, Jack the Sailor. We certainly respect you all the more now, and think your defense of your wife is both admirable and relevant. (NOT!)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 01:08 AM

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My computer bleeped twice when I typed the above. You may have only minutes left to get some differences settled, because I think I may just have launched a ridiculous number of INTER-CONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILES.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 01:09 AM

Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 01:50 AM

The irony, Nerd, is that at the time when I first said that I couldn't say whether or not you supported human rights, I had no opinions of you of any sort except that I thought that, from what I had seen of you in other threads, you seemed like a fairly likable person. When I said I couldn't say whether or not you supported human rights, I was fully prepared to accept whatever you had to say about whether or not you support human rights.

But your behavior since then has given me an opinion of you. I don't expect that even if I did tell you which of your posts I feel were personal attacks, you would accept what I had to say. You have not accepted anything I have had to say about what I think and what I feel. So I don't see much point in getting into it with you. It would be an excercise in futility.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Nerd
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 02:16 AM

CarolC, we've been over this before.

The flaw in your logic, as I pointed out above, is that I had already said I supported human rights by the time you said "I don't know if you support human rights." My statement, "I trust you and I both support human rights," has as a necessary premise "I support human rights." If I did not support them, I could not believe that you and I both supported them. Therefore my support for human rights was obvious to anyone who had read my statement and applied to it the most rudimentary logical interpretation.

You're too smart to have missed this. Thus, if you had really been inclined to accept my statement that I supported human rights, you would have done so. Instead you rejected it. Your subsequent desperate (and pretty much unnecessary) attempts to reframe your statement so that you can pretend to be above reproach have not, I think, fooled anybody (except perhaps the loyal JTS).

I still have no real opinion of you, by the way, because a forum like mudcat can only give a distorted impression, especially in political threads. (Well, that's not strictly true; I have some opinions. I think you can be as stubborn as all get-out, for example, but obviously I can too or we would not still be arguing this.) Mostly, I only have opinions of your opinions, not of your character, if you see what I mean.

I also think your husband flipped out there for a moment, but even that isn't a lasting opinion. I'm sure he's a fine fellow in real life!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 02:39 AM

Look Pal.

I didn't flip out, I was just giving you the fight you seemed to be asking for.

I told you that Carol was not accusing you of being against human rights. You two are just not talking on the same wavelength. Is it really worthwhile to argue over a misunderstanding?

As I said before, I want this thread to suffer its well deserved demise. Please do not continue it. If you want to talk about the Palestinian problem please do not do so in support of Martin Gibson's trolling.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 12:32 PM

Jack the Sailor

Thanks for turning off Nascar on TV long enough to get into something meaningful. I put this thread up for the likes of you and Carol C. Glad to see you see yourself in George Will's essay.

I'm not trolling. I'm stating an opinion. an opinion I support from a learned journalist. If you are uncomfortable with it and you obviously were, that's your problem and your old lady's.

Your wife obviously has a problem with jews and Israel. Thankfully, in your tin can of a home in your trailer park in rural hillbilly country, we don't have to come in contact with you personally.

Go brush your tooth.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Peace
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 12:44 PM

I wish I had a tin can of a home in a trailer park. That would be a step up from where I am at present. Poverty is no disgrace, but it is a damnable inconvenience.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 01:26 PM

I wish I had a tooth.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 05:03 PM

True, poverty is no disgrace.

Living like a pig is a different story.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 05:51 PM

yes!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 10:53 AM

The score is 249 posts for continued war on this thread and 48 for solutions on the other thread. Any effin' wonder they can't get their shit together in the Middle East?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 11:13 AM

W c'mon Brucie - you got to admit this one is much more amusing - I MEAN - you've got to wait months for stuff such as:

Jack the Sailor - PM
Date: 13 Mar 04 - 11:52 PM

Martin Gibson you cowardly little shit!

You fucking two bit troll. Fuck off yourself!

I just came on this thread to call you a shit. Apparantly idiots like Nerd can't tell their smell from yours.


Nerd.

You ignorant slut. You have no sense of irony.

Now you have been insulted. Study what I have said. I do this to you as a favour. Maybe now, you will take your head out of your ass and stop whining.

To be followed by, on being accused of flipping out:

Jack the Sailor - PM
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 02:39 AM

Look Pal.

I didn't flip out, I was just giving you the fight you seemed to be asking for.

This thread has been a hilarious tag match - Nerd and MG are winning hands down - Particularly liked "Go brush your tooth" - priceless, absolutely priceless, thanks chaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 11:15 AM

Brucie, please, one thread is running for four days and the other for 20 days. To compare the absolute number of posts is fundamentally flawed. If you take less flawed measures like average number of posts per day or number of posts in this thread when it was as old as the other thread now is, then in both cases the 'solutions' thread wins: the interest in solutions is higher. What does that mean for the Middle East?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 11:52 AM

Thanks, Wolfgang. You are a gentleman and a scholar to chide me so politely.

IRONY: The grenade exploded near my leg, and now my leg is very irony.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti-Semitism & The Left
From: Sam L
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 07:53 PM

Mg, wasn't me, but it was stupid of me to even bring it up. As for the other stuff, fine.

The other thread is interesting, but a little hypothetical. Whatever the subject, we're still just posting our opinions. I think I was only disputing opinions, and how they struck me, but if that amounts to personal attacks, maybe, okay, whatever. I'd be glad to hear it back, and it's really the non-responsiveness to one's p.o.v.--the evasiveness--that's rude and low. Count that up. The new thread that interests me is about writing a good post.