BS: Critique Requested...

Subject: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 08:21 PM

Well, okay, seems as if no one here ever responds to any of my posts anymore...

Maybe I have become to predictable??? Maybe I'm too radical??? Maybe my typing is too poor??? No, maybe it's the spelling??? Maybe to boring???

Yeah, I do know that when I had hours and hours to blow every day in front of pudder that folks jumped right in but these days??? Hmmmmmmm???

So what's going on??? I have posted several thoughtfull posts on various subjects over the last few months and it's like they were never posted...

Okay, I'll admit that I have gotten some PM's from folks on stuff but, by in large, seems that my posts are being either ignored or folks just don't know how to relate to them???

So, hey, not that I am of the age where I can readially change what I think, what I know and who I am but, geeze, being ignored???

So, what's up???

Critique requested...

Really...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 08:58 PM

Keriste, what ARE you on about, Bobert?

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 09:01 PM

Looking at threads where you've posted during the past couple of weeks, I'd say it's "guilt by association."

I've looked at most of the same threads before, and while the subjects are interesting enough to deserve comment, the prinicpal participants seem always to be the same sets of combatants interested more in slashing at each other than in discussion, or insisting on ranting on about their same-old inflexible dogmatic perversions.

As no discussion takes place, I've lost interest in participating, and as a result the repulsive, trite, and boring tone of the threads induces me to resist reply even to your occasionally witty and stimulating commentary. (Quite frankly, I haven't noticed whether you've been in the same sort of rut as the others. The basic vapidity of recent threads - as a whole - is too boring.)

Of course, it's entirely possible that you've been declared "one to be shunned" and I missed it by not actually reading them all. If you find the list, please pass it on, as I may be there with you.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Bert
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 09:02 PM

I think that everyone notices the same thing from time to time. (Unless it is just you and me)

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 09:06 PM

"Shunned"???

Well, okay... I kinda like shunned... Don't have a clue why, but it sounds real "James Dean-ish" in a way...

Thanks...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 09:07 PM

Bobert, I'm just not posting very much to political threads. I'm just too tired and too disgusted. 'Tain't you, buddy.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 09:21 PM

Thanks, Rap...

Yeah, I'm disgusted, too so that's why I do post to political threads but seems that no one either reads what I say or chooses to ignore it???

But thanks...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 09:48 PM

Okay, anything to make a friend happy....

Bobert, you're as wrong as George W. Bush! You ain't had an original thought in your life, you just go around spouting off that liberal nonsense and expect people to believe that you're not one of them damned Commies! Well, the President is a lot smarter than you think and he's got some damned good people to help him think, too! The war is right and using DU bullets is in the best interests of the environment, you bunny-huggin' tree lover!

There...feel better now? Wanna go have a beer?

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 09:53 PM

Make it Canadian beer and I'll join you.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 09:57 PM

Maybe some of that Bear Claw from Canmore? Or would you like to try some of the stuff made here -- Bitch Creek? Cuttthroat? Moose Drool? Fat Tire? Midnight Satin? Twisted Stick?

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 10:02 PM

Moose Drool? Sounds good, Rapaire.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: open mike
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 10:32 PM

maybe you done got yur threads deletificated..
only a select few get that honor..
I'll take a Candian Wyder's Pear Cider, if you please!
in fact i am having one right now!

none of them
drooling
mooses for me, thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 10:38 PM

Dead Man Ale? Weidners? Firehouse IPA?

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 11:02 PM

It's kinda what Rap said....I just don't post to political stuff much. And, what else is there really to say when I just pretty much always agree with you?

You go Bobert, and I ain't shunning you. I just sit here in Good Ole' Boy Right Wing Republican Wyoming and wonder what the HELL I can do. Other than try one more time to get Miss Barbie out of office.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 11:12 PM

What Sorcha said, Bobert. You always give me something to think about but I tend to have to disagree before I'm motivated to post. Keep goin', pal.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Amos
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 12:36 AM

Well, I value all your posts, Bobert, but mostly I either jes' nod in agreement or don't know 'nuff to think much one way or t'other.

Besides, you ain't coming tot he Getaway you damn sissy. Ptui!!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Melissa
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 12:50 AM

I don't think I've ignored you yet, Bobert.
That means I can get in on all this beer you guys are talking about, right?

M

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 04:16 AM

To respond seriously,

1. I find the affectation, the pretence, of near-illiteracy, the presentation in an assumed dialect, a barrier to reading or appreciating (ie evaluating for thier true worth) your posts.

2. American politics is now so close to being a one-party system that I despair of it. But if you are genuinely pushing liberal values (a term of praise, not abuse, in most of the world), then more power to your elbow.

3. Come to that, even though you don't post much on English politics, that is also dangerously close to being a one-party system(thinking here of "Animal Farm, and, in the end, which were pigs and which were men) now - although I have noticed a couple of indications recently that it may be becoming acceptable occasionally for the government and people in it to admit that they were wrong.

4. The music you are interested in does not seem to include the kind that interests me most (English song).

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 08:13 AM

Okay, think I will have a cold one my ownself fir breakfast... Then maybe another...

As fir "Animal Farm", I have always hoped that the pigs wouldn't become the men but lookin' at our government it is apparent that men can become the pigs... LOL... But seriously, if one takes "Animal Farm" seriously then one just gives up... I ain't into that tho I have no clue as to what it would take to make the US less consumed with imperialism, colonialism and militarism... Yeah, I've wriotten letters... I marched in demonsrations but....

Think I'll just have yet another beer and calll the day off...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 08:55 AM

Maybe it's because your posts just make so much sense that no one can argue against them...................

Me, I'm not answering you 'cause I'm sulking because you won't be at the Getaway this year, again!

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: kendall
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 09:04 AM

What can you expect when you knock the handicapped? Just because I can't afford a Martin, and I have to settle for a second hand Taylor...snif..

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: artbrooks
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 09:23 AM

Well, since you ask, and meaning no offense...

I see a significant difference between the our two major political parties. Perhaps it is true that it would be easier for a poor man (person) to pass through the eye of a needle than to become a viable candidate for election, but it is also true that the wealthy don't have to work for their daily bread and have the time to spend on politics. That doesn't mean that they are all out to exploit the working man or that liberal (and I like Webster's definition of the term) politicians are tools of the capitalist machine.

You seem to believe both of these things and, while you are certainly entitled to your opinion, to me it sometimes puts you on a soapbox in the park next to the Flat-Earthers and Alien Abductees. We have made major changes in our country in the past fifty years, and these changes have usually taken place because members of a political party adopted/co-opted a popular movement. Thinking and speaking of the Democrats and Republicans as essentially identical, and therefor considering the two-party political process as irrelevant to any kind of effective change, is divorced from reality.

I'm afraid that, when I see a Bobert post to a thread that I'm following, I say "just another rave" to myself and pass it right by. I know that I'm missing things by doing so. You are not the only person that I put into that category, and (without naming names) they come from all points of that multidimensional tesseract we call a socio-economic/political spectrum.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: John Hardly
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 10:44 AM

Richard Bridge's point #1. I might even be more willing to overlook it to read what you have to say if it were actually the literary equivalent of affecting an accent -- but it's not. It doesn't read southern, it doesn't read hillbilly. It isn't a consistent accent of any kind that I can detect. Therefore it doesn't work as the affectation of a personality -- other than the persona of a person who cannot type.

You don't discuss. You declare.

I agree with artbrooks. You are extreme and not open to the possibility that you are extreme. The characters in the drama you've invented and substituted for the real world are too black or white to be real. You have everyone pigeonholed in one or the other (black or white) but, curiously, listen to neither.

Included in that, I find it harder and harder to take seriously the language of pigeonholing that occurs here regularly ("bushites" for instance) and you are among the worst at relying on this innaccurate and maddenning shorthand.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: ard mhacha
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 11:02 AM

Don`t worry Bobert, apathy elected Bush twice, and you are 100% smarter.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 11:54 AM

Is Bobert running for President????
Maybe I will vote after all...

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 02:13 PM

I agree with Amos--I often read them and agree, but that doesn't mean I'll always add a "me, too!" on each thread.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 04:22 PM

Heck, by "rest of world" standards Bobert is not a radical leftie at all (as far as I understand him), and yes, there have been politicians in the past in the USA who have made a change, for example FDR and the "New Deal" for good, and Reagan for bad, and Nixon for corruption - but right now they are all bent capitalists, warmongers and colonalists and even the Democrats seem bent on disenfranchising the honest working man so god (or God, if that is your choice) help the man who can find no work.

In this context man includes woman.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 04:28 PM

Webster (online) gives for "liberal"

1. Showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions".

2. Having political or social views favoring reform and progress.

3. Tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition.

4. Given or giving freely; "was a big tipper"; "the bounteous goodness of God"; "bountiful compliments"; "a freehanded host"; "a handsome allowance"; "Saturday's child is loving and giving"; "a liberal backer of the arts"; "a munificent gift"; "her fond and openhanded grandfather".

5. Not literal; "a loose interpretation of what she had been told"; "a free translation of the poem".

Noun
1. A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties.

2. A person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets.





IMHO use 2 would not be common in England other than in a very specialised constitutional analysis referring to specific constitutional authors' theories.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: KT
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 04:39 PM

Bobert, have you consulted the Wes Ginny slide rule on this?

KT

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 07:11 PM

Well, KT, yeah, I have... It has been working 24/7 for the last 2 months and getting nowhere at all so the WGSR said to me, "Bobert, I have failed you an' yer just gonna have to ask yer buds in the Mudpuddle"... So seein' that the WGSR was about to burn out I figured I'd give it somethin' easy to work on, you know, like "what makes womenz tick" which oughtta be a snap... Right???

Ahhhh, yeah, okay, John and Art... Yeah, I have lost faith in the two party system and I am beginning to loose faith in the US being able to survive itself... This may come off as "black and white" and I guess it is very much so... While doing the very best I can for my ownself and the P-Vine and playing my music and doing the cool projects that I am involved with there is an underlying fear that my son won't have a stable country when he becomes my age... I mean, I'm not all that eaten up or dwell on rhese thoughts on a daily basis but I am generally pessemistic that the US can right itself...

Thankfully, however, I do have my own personal Faith, and I do love the things I do and between them they keep me going strong...

As for the accent??? Yeah, okay, I have a couple college degrees and was raised in NoVa, where accents aren't much... But since then, I spent many years working in the Richomnd City jail, which was 90% black, then another decade as a social worker working with mostly mentally ill folks, then 20 years living with mountain white folks in West Virginia so I have beeen influenced by a hodgepodge of accents and levels of grammer... Now I live in a holler where folks speak entirely different... I don't try to put on any one of them but a mix of hillbilly/black/Richmond/etc... Sometimes it works... Sometimes it don't... Yeah, I know it's "doesn't"...

The dialect/accent ain't 'sposed to be a detraction but I can see how for some folks it might be just that... What it is is an honest ***attempt*** to come off as I would come off if any of you folks were sittin' ibn a br with me over a cold beer... It is the way I talk... For those who have met me, or especially those who have seen me perform, this is "purdy" much what I sound like in the real world...

Yeah, okay, if I'm making a presentation to Town Council I can put on the hat that I wore 40 years ago and sound like an articulate NoVa'n but that ain't all that comfy but we do what we need to do... That, to me, is the phony Bobert...

Yeah, someone said in a thread that the accent/dialect that I use was phony... Well, baloney, baloney it ain't phony...

But nevermind that...

Maybe I oughtta jus "cut my hair, shine my shoes and quit singin' the blues" and then maybe everyone would be happy, right???

Nah... Sorry, too old to change much... You know, folks don't change, they jus' get more so...

But thanks fir all the critiquin'... Really...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: KT
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 07:33 PM

Bobert, I love you just the way you are!! (even if you did fire me from your band!)

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 07:38 PM

Hell, KT, at least you got to join!

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 07:44 PM

Bobert, you're a well-loved character around here. I think maybe your problem is that you talk about politics. I used to love to talk about politics, but then the 2000 elections brought in George W, and now it hurts to talk about politics. It's just too damn depressing.

Maybe things will get better next year.
But heck, Bobert, everybody likes YOU.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 07:59 PM

You posted to one or two threads I started fairly recently. I didn't respond to you myself because I didn't disagree with you and I had nothing to add to what you said. But I appreciated your having posted.

Hell, Bobert, maybe people aren't responding to you as much because they don't disagree with you as much as they used to. Maybe the world is catching up to you. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 08:06 PM

One other thing about my threads, Bobert... I don't start political threads because I want to start a discussion. I start them because I have information I want people to be able to see or read if they're so inclined. So don't feel bad if you don't get much of a response on my threads.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 08:13 PM

Sniff...

I mean, jus' sniff...

Yeah, Goerge Bush has taken a lotta joy outta our lives an' ther best thing I can say is that he ain't gonna be 'round forever... But the bad news is that Hillary will prolly be the next president and she scares the heck outta me... She's mean as cat poop...

But nevermind cat poop 'cause that ain't what's important here...

What is important is about this "firin" episode... Now, I will preface my remarks with a simple statement that, like Tom T. Hall, I like to drenk beer... But I don't quite see it perzactly the way that KT sees it... BTW, in case anyone doesn't know it, I am her "#1 Admiring Fan"... So this is the way that I remembers it...

Okay, it was like EJ, Eb, KT and me an' we were kinda doing a little jammin' back at TumbleWeed to see what we could put together an', well, sniff, EJ got it real okay and' KT, bless her heart, was trying to get to the outhouse from the penthouse but the elvator was broke... I mean, slam broke... Yeah, the gal coulda jumped to her death and, well, okay, then maybe she woulda made it into the band...

Well, folks... If you ever heard KT sing you wouldn't want her in the outhouse... She sings so purdy that it makes the hairs on yer neck stand at attention... Sho nuff does... So Iz thinkin' that unless i wantyed to spend my afterlife in Hell that I had to do somethin'... Right??? So I told her that she was fired... Heck, I had to do it... I had no other choice...

Okay, look at it this way... So what if I kept KT in the band... Then what, you ask??? Well, she prolly woulda taken the "Devil's Music" to the next level, made Janis Joplin look like a Girl Scout, and be in jail 'er some half-way house by now... Hey, what's a guy to do???

It weren't like, ahhhhhhhh, firin'... Okay it was like firin'....

But my motives were honorable an', pleeeze Lord, don't send me off to Hell over this little situation...

I'll be good... I'll help ol' ladies... I won't step on bugs on the sidewalks... I won't drive in the passin' lane 'cept when passin'... I promise I won't...

Oh, the guilt....

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 08:20 PM

Tell ya' what Bobertz....The thing is this.....and I got yer "this" right here. As far as the accent shit goes I can appreciate trying to write in the same style as ya' speak. It ain't easy I admit and I have trouble doin' it myself at times 'cause I tend to piss some people off when I tell 'em what I'm about to tell you.......If they don't like it, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.

As far as your posts, I'm up to my ass with the friggin' political threads that DO invariably attract the same combatants.....and they are combatants. I've always been a big proponent of bullshit around here but the constant bickering and dumbass stuff just wears my ass out. I'll save my efforts and talk for where they might make a difference out in the 3D world. Plus with all the things we're going through with Michael, I'm not going to involve myself in a circular argument on a computer.

So there ya' go.....I'm outta' here---AMF

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 08:28 PM

Well, Bobert, people may be too depressed to talk about George W anymore, but he's certainly been a great target for songwriters and cartoonists. I'm a little afraid about the songs and cartoons that might be directed at Hillary. No doubt, they'll be prejudiced and hateful. It's not nice to pick on women presidents for being women - but it's a fine thing to pick on dumb presidents for being dumb.

-Jeo-

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 08:54 PM

Well, Joe, I ain't afrid of Hillary as a womanz... I scared outta my head as Hillary as being a person, male 'er female, as the next president... I think she'd bomb the crap outta Iran jus' fir grins...

Yeah, Spawzer... The accents is somethin' that gets some folks all twisted into sa bundle... Folks ought not get that twisted but they do...

They wanta call you some racist, 'er phony, 'er worst, a communist!!!

Heck, Iz a commie... Never said I weren't...

But to all... Yeah, we are gettin' real friggin' tired of Bush... He has played on our psychic as no other president in our life time... He is the epidemy of bad Karma... He drags on our energy... He is like a bad case of ________________ (fill in yer own bad case)...

He has definately taken the fire outta alot of US... I mean, a lot!!!

He has aged us beyond our years...

Yeah, I am weary...

But, hey... Like George Harrison penned, "All things must pass" and I think of George Bush as one bigass gall-stone...

But once in the toidy, I won't have any problem pulling the flush lever on this creepo...

Didn't mean for this thread to go this way but...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 08:58 PM

Even if they can't really help being dumb, Joe?







Yea, yea...I know......He has finally just lived up to the Peter Principle. Risen to his level of incompetence. Fired or failed at every job he's ever had and this has been a big failure. Ya almost gotta feel sorry for the guy (except for the money)

He gets to retire in Style, go home to Texas (or where ever the hell he wants to go) and eat flown in lobster every day if he wants when Whizzy has to make do with pancake mix for cornbread.

(sorry, Susan, it was just handy there)

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 09:19 PM

penthouse???? outhouse???? Your imagery is very...uh...well....mmmm....creative.....took me three reads to figger out what you were talking about. And bless, your little heart, Beau, it seems you've saved my soul!
Forever indebted to you for firing me. Lookin forward to next time!

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 10:17 PM

Maybe then Bobert could fire me? Please?

I dunno, Bobert, 'bout this accent thing. I mean, I kin write 'n' talk pritty much like I wanna. I got me some college degrees, got 'em up on the wall of my office at work to impress the yokels. Ain't nobody looks at 'em much, mostly they read my rubbing of Shakespeare's epitath. All the diplomas mean is that once upon a time I actually knew some stuff. But I'm not in the groves of academe and haven't been since about 1982 or thereabouts, except sorta peripherally. I kin talk with ya 'bout most anything from Jesus to jezails, an' in my job that's good.

I can, of course, also elucidate my thoughts in a more academic manner, complete with footnotes. I choose not to do so, since footnotes and bibliography are usually a pain in the butt and only the truly anal-retentive, such as myself, ever gives a rat's ass.

And knowing some of your educational background, you ain't the dumb hillbilly.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Peace
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 10:33 PM

For you, Bobert. Great song. (Youtube.)

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 11:48 PM

This is for Bobert!

Sing along with Eric Schwarz:

"Clinton got a blow job."

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Oct 07 - 12:17 AM

Aw geeziz Maggie, that was a riot!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Oct 07 - 04:27 AM

Joe, surely one does not take the piss out of a dumb president for being dumb, but for being a president.

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Amos
Date: 28 Oct 07 - 11:21 AM

Well, it's for both, I would say. The biggest offense is being dumb while president, which is like driving while smashed -- it requires both parts.

And there are other similarities, as well, such as putting innocents at risk.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 07 - 02:16 PM

Kind of a toe-tapper, isn't it, Spaw? ;-D

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: kendall
Date: 28 Oct 07 - 04:44 PM

Bobert, ol' buddy, tell ys what, if congress would stand up and take back its power, she wouldn't have the authority to bomb Iran. Only Congress can declare war.

Tell me, exactly what are you afraid of? Is that it?

Subject: RE: BS: Critique Requested...
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Oct 07 - 06:23 PM

What I am afraind of is the tool dox that Bush will be leaving for the next prez... Ain't like all this "executive power" is gonna evaporate when Bush leaves... He and Cheney have carved out quite a bit of power that passes on, regardless of who is next...

Lotta Bushites don't think about that... They should 'cause with the tools the Bush is leaving Hillary, she could just declare all Bushites as war criminals and send the entire bunch of them to some secret prison in some other country...

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, Capt'n, but that's the scenerio... Executive powers are here to stay...

Ahhhhh, I have the LosLobios song loading, Brucie, but with mty pea-shooter dial up it may yake a couple hours...

Then I can get 'round to SRS's...