BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)

Subject: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 05:32 PM

So, I finally tried my Black & Decker ABM. Used a recipe from an old friend. Oatmeal brown bread. Is it suppose to work it's way off the countertop and dangle by the cord?

Actually, the phone rang and on my way to answer it, I saw the ABM almost off the counter. If I hadn't, I assume it would have dangled.

Recipes?

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 05:46 PM

I have a Russell Hobbs Breadman Pro and love it. It does not move.

I have made a variety of breads in it and it also has a metal insert that can be used to make delicious bread rolls.

I have made pizza dough (if you use bread flour for this you get a base which is more like a deep pan pizza and if you use plain flour you can get really thin pizzas).

I have also made jam in mine but ruined a pan by using jam sugar (the crystals scratched the non-stick surface). So I just use granulated sugar now.

I only have the recipes which came with the breadmaker and a book of recipes from a previous breadmaker I had which cost twice as much but produced bread which looked a bit anaemic to me. I gave that to another family member and they are quite happy with it.

You may have got a book of recipes with yours but if there is any particular thing you wish to try, and don't have a recipe for, I'll look through my recipes to see if I have it.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 05:48 PM

Be sure the feet are clean, and move it way back from the edge. They do sometime "walk."

What is the weight capacity of the loaves your machine can make? I have a Wellbuilt (sold by DAK years ago) that makes a three pound loaf, but many bread machines make smaller loaves.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Bert
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 05:49 PM

Aaaargh! Bread machines take all the fun out of breadmaking.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 05:49 PM

And when it comes to making jam and bread, we're talking completely different machines. Mine only makes dough. I can make that dough into lots of different things. No printer or fax on this model.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Janie
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 05:58 PM

I've had a Zojirushi and a Breadman. Neither ever walked.

FWIW, I liked the Zojirushi much better. It did a better job kneading and proofing the dough, and handled heavy rye and whole wheat doughs better than did the Breadman. Also, the Breadman used a yeast dispenser that added the yeast after the batter was mixed, instead of with the liquids as with a conventional recipe. The texture and rise of the Breadman produced breads was never quite satisfactory, and I have wondered if that was one reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:03 PM

Is the paddle bent or not inserted correctly? Any grinding or abnormal noise? What seems to cause the vibration?
If you can't diagnose, see warranty.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Janie
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:06 PM

Not really Bert. There is no fun at all in not making bread, and it is a rare occasion that many of us have the time and the schedule that permits us to do the whole process by hand. I did prefer to shape the dough, do the second proofing and bake it in the oven when I had time. During the week, though, the whole family loved waking up to the smell of hot, fresh bread, knowing a thick slice with butter or cheese would appear in front of them as soon as they were out of the shower.

Notice the past tense. I haven't had a bread machine in two years. I have managed to bake bread only two times in that two years.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:10 PM

1.5 and 2 pound loaves. Buns. Doughs. Jams.

There are a million recipes on the net. Just wondered if anyone had any "special" recipes.

I have friends who swear by them, so I'll give it a whirl. But, I haven't thrown out my old pans yet. Hehehe.... I've had the ABM since Christmas and this is the first time I have tried to use it.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:11 PM

With my breadmaker I use the fast action dried yeast and that is the last ingredient to go in (apart from seeds and the like), but it goes in before starting the breadmaker. The order of putting in the ingredients is very important - with the recipes I have, the ingredients go in in the order they are given.

Mine doesn't have any dispensers but a bell rings when seeds are to be added and I just drop them in.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Janie
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:26 PM

Gnu,

I have a scrumptious recipe for Molasses bread that I'll dig out and pm to you. Be warned. It was lovely with the Z machine, but heavy as a rock with the Breadman - whether or not I baked it in the machine or in the oven.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:29 PM

I have a recipe for Chocolate Rye Bread in the bread machine - i know it sounds yucky but it isn't and it's not sweet either. I'll go look for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:33 PM

Ours is a Panasonic SD253 and it unfailingly makes excellent organic wholemeal loaves at a fraction of shop prices. They're much better too. You can keep the saltiness down for a start. It takes three minutes to dump all the ingredients in then you just leave it to it.    To us it's the best thing since, er....

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: peregrina
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:36 PM

Has anyone figured out a way to make sourdough in the bread machine? If so, I'd love to have the recipe.

(I realize it would possibly involve starting the dough and removing it, or turning off the machine for an extended time, before the actual baking.)

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:11 PM

GNU - I dug out my old DAK Breadmaker recipe book which is the best Bread-Machine recipe book ever but you can't get them anymore. I treasure my copy!

Here's a really yummy bread recipe - DAK machines made 3 1/2 pound loaves. To make in a smaller machine, I have found that you should halve all the ingredients except the yeast which stays the same. Almost all DAK machine recipes call for 1 packet of yeast so just stick with that no matter what you do to the recipe.

California Dip Bread - for a 3 1/2 pond loaf
Cut recipe in half for 1 1/2 to 2 pound machine or use my substitutes
from the DAK recipe booklet - It's a bread that is supposed to approximate the taste of Onion Dip!

Ingredients

1 packet of yeast - (I use the whole packet)
3 1/2 cups of flour (for my machine I use 2 cups)
1/4 Teaspoon baking Soda (I use s scant 1/4 teaspoon)
1 Egg or 1/4 cup egg substitute (I use 1/8 cup egg beaters type stuff)
3/4 cup Cottage cheese (I use 1/2 cup pureed fat-free cottage cheese)
3/4 cup Sour Cream (I use 1/2 cup Low-fat Sour Cream not nonfat)
3 tablespoons Sugar (I use 2 tablespoons castor sugar)
1 1/2 Tablespoons butter at room temp (I use 1 Tablespoon)
1/4 cup water room temp (I use 1/8 cup)
1 envelope of Lipton's (Dry) Onion Soup Mix - (I keep the whole enevlope)


Add the first 4 ingredients in order listed. Slightly warm up the next 6 ingredients and pour in the pan. Select for White Bread Cycle and push Start.

Now, I find that mixing the last six ingredients together in a Microwave safe bowl and then heating them up to body temperature but no higher works well. So they should feel just a little warm if you stick your finger in them. Then I pour them in on top of the dry ingredients. On my machine I use White bread cycle and select DARK as the color option because mine undercooks a bit. if yours is OK, just use what you would normally use for a color setting.

This recipe is worth fiddling with to get the perfect proportions for your machine. it smells amazing while baking and makes a great bread for serving with dinner, any kind of meat or stew.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:15 PM

"Egg substitute?" Aargh! Yellow peril? Back to WW2 is it? Aargh!

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 08:13 PM

Your walking machine might be helped by setting it on a scrap of the "non-slip" shelf liner that should be available at most any big-box retail store. It's touted for RV users to keep the stuff from ending on the floor during travel, although in that application it usually just ends up on the floor, stuck to the bottom of the stuff that was sitting on it.

A "heavy duty" non-slip pad is also available at auto parts places for lining tool box drawers and such, and might help.

You could also jack up the front side of your counters so that the walkabout items all end up against the wall at the back, but that might be objectionable to aesthetic values.

Most such devices do have small "feet" that usually are intended to be a "non-skid" kind; and if yours sat for a time before you tried it, just washing the feet (or replacing missing ones) - and/or getting some of the slime off the countertop - might restore some of the "anchor capacity."

Most counter tops don't provide sufficient "edge" for using a large C-Clamp to hold down small appliances, but your's might be unusual so it would be worth considering.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Bert
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 08:35 PM

It's only fun for guys 'cos you know it's kneaded just right when it's the soft squooshy texture of boobs.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: bobad
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 09:11 PM

gnu, I would recommend the true Canadian solution for your peripatetic bread machine - duct tape - remember; "If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy."

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Janie
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 10:23 PM

lol! Both of you!

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 04:13 AM

It's only fun for guys 'cos you know it's kneaded just right when it's the soft squooshy texture of boobs. .....

There's surely a slight similarity in suitable kneading activities; but I wouldn't do anything to a good set of boobs that remotely resembles the sort of rough treatment demanded to get bread properly ready to go¹.

Check out a recipe for "beater bisquits" for an idea of proper technique (ONLY for the bread of course).


¹ Except of course under exceptional circumstances at the very strong urging and with confirmed permissions from the owner of the kneadable(s)! Special proclivities must be satisfied, one supposes.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 04:27 AM

aaargh! Bread machines take all the fun out of breadmaking.

Bit like washing machines took the fun out of going down to the river and beating the washing on stones until it was clean.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 05:12 AM

Great posts. Thanks.

"... wholemeal loaves at a fraction of shop prices..." That is the exact reason I (thought I) wanted one. As well as the fact that I can't find raisin breads, and other similar, without tooooo much cinnamon.

As for regular bread and buns, on special occasions, I bake. For everyday, there is a bakery a five minute walk away - excellent stuff, reasonably priced.

I will clean the "legs". AND, I will get some non-slip shelf liner. I had some in my truck camper. That stuff works great!

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 06:22 AM

I have never made sourdough in the bread machine but one of my books does have a recipe for sourdough bread, in a breadmaker, which i'll post.

Sourdough bread          750g          1kg          1.5kg
water, room temp         220ml         270ml       320ml
butter, chopped          30g          30g          30g
plain yoghurt            1/2 cup       3/4 cup      1 cup
lemon juice             2 tsp         1 tbsp       1.5 tbsp
salt                     1 tsp         1.5 tsp      2 tsp
sugar                   1 tbsp       2 tbsp       3 tbsp
bread improver          1 tsp         1 tsp       1.5 tsp
wholemeal plain flour    540g          700g         860g
yeast                   1.5 tsp       2 tsp       2.5 tsp

Place ingredients into bread pan in order listed. Ensure ingredients are evenly distributed, before adding next ingredient.
Press menu button (6) French. Select crust colour and size. Press start.
Do NOT use time delay when baking sourdough bread as the ingredients will spoil.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 06:30 AM

I should add that that recipe comes from the Antony Worrall Thompson by Breville breadmaker.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 07:05 AM

I've found on these "food" threads that I've picked up quite a few goods tips and recipes.

In my first post I mentioned that I make pizza dough in my breadmaker. My preference is to use plain flour rather than bread flour. I also find I get a better result (for my taste that is) if I use polenta rather than flour when I am rolling out the dough.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: peregrina
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 07:56 PM

Hey thanks Eanjay!

with all that yogurt and lemon juice, it looks like it might the sourdough flavour without all the complexity of nurturing the starter.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 08:13 PM

This is a very helpful site to bookmark:

Bread-Maker.Net

Lots of recipes for all size machines including Bread Machine Recipes
by Manufacturer

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 08:31 PM

I know y'all hate this but it cracks me up......There ain't nothin' ever new on Mudcat!

Try this OLD THREAD HERE
which even has a post about a walkin' bread machine on it already (mousethief). AND then of course there is YET ANOTHER thread on bread makers.

LMAO....Is there anything we haven't talked about??? Before answering that you need to remember, if you've been around here long enough, that there were even pictures from a colonoscopy of mine posted here as well as an aortagram.

Spaw-----LMAO

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Rowan
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:17 PM

I'm sure you're all experienced enough to have circumvented the minor problem of different notions of "a cup" in different countries. It's only relevant when recipes are being swapped internationally and I wouldn't mention it except for the fact that a friend of mine (here in Oz) had a partner who acquired a new you-beaut breadmaker and worked enthusiastically through every recipe she could lay her hands on.

She was never satisfied with the results of her attempts at recipes from the US. Because I have had a reputation around here of knowing arcane details of all sorts of trivia I was asked whether US cup measures were the same as Oz ones. Off the top of my head I didn't know but I did have one at home; it's volume came to 200ml, whereas the Oz cup was (from memory) 250ml. Apparently the difference made all the difference, so to speak. I was rewarded with some of her output; excellent on all counts!

I've had very little experience with recipes that are more detailed than "a handful of this and a glug of that" so I was a bit surprised at her reports of the different results. This may (or may not) be of assistance to some of you.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: bobad
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:26 PM

* Australia, Canada, New Zealand: one cup is 1/4 litre (250 mL), equivalent to approximately 8.8 Imperial, or 8.5 U.S., fluid ounces.

       * United States (current legal definition, such as for nutrition labeling): one cup is 240 mL, as defined in U.S. law (21 CFR 101.9 (b) (5) (viii)).[2][3]

    * United States (customary definition): one cup is 0.5 U.S. pints, or 8.0 U.S. fluid ounces, equivalent to approximately 237 millilitres or 8.3 Imperial fluid ounces.

Wikipedia

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:40 PM

Bobad - that may well be true but then you have in use in the USA the terms "A level Cup" and what I would call that a "scant cup" . When measuring powders, most people fill the cup measure over ful and scrape off the top to have powder to the lip of the cup. When measuring liquids, it's rare that the liquid is ever filled right to the brim.

I'm accustomed to US measurements but I think weighing everything is better and using a large fluid ounce measure is best for fluids. That way you fill it to the line on the measure and don't worry about fractional individual cup measures and whether you are supposed to fill to the lip.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Rowan
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 02:45 AM

Bobad, I'm sure Wikipedia is correct about the US "cup" but the US cup that I measured was one of the cooking measures of the type you buy in your local hardware store; it came from such a store in Columbia SC when I lived there for a while and explored the local recipes, mindful of the notion that such day-to-day items were different in different places. These days I just use it as a conveniently sized scoop for oatmeal in the mornings, where its actual volume is immaterial, but spot on for breakfast porridge.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 05:31 AM

Tell me, where is fancy bread?

Valmai (Lewes)

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 06:08 AM

Owners of bread-making machines are obviously well-off. They just don't knead the dough.

Valmai (Lewes)

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: gnu
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 04:15 PM

SPAW! I put Bread Maker, Bread Machine, Automatic Bread..... even BREAD though the filter and sweet fuck all came back.

You got a special filter what I don't?

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: gnu
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 04:17 PM

BTW, I looked for this thread this morning and it was not on my screen.

Maybe Max is trying to tell me something?

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: open mike
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 03:53 AM

the search feature does not seem to work for recent threads..most "hits"
come back from the years 1999-2000.

There is a product that one can add to bread to make it taste like sour
dough, but the REAL way to do that is to let it ferment and rise for an
extended period of time.

http://www.innovations-report.com/html/reports/life_sciences/report-48796.html

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: peregrina
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 04:17 AM

Thanks Mike, that is what I am really looking for-real slow sourdough fermentation flavour and texture from real sourdough process. There might be a good bakery that would give me a bit of starter, but figuring out how to allow for the extra time is the question. Let it sit in the machine for a whole day? Or move the dough, or the whole bread machine's pan, into the fridge?

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 11:39 AM

If you want to find a recent thread, you put a word or phrase from the thread title in the Filter box, and set the the appropriate time frame for the search.

If you want to find forum posts on a topic, like, for example, "bread machine", you put that in the Lyrics and Forum Search box and uncheck the DT box (unless you want to search the song database, too). I got lots.

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 02:40 PM

Becky... been at it here for near 8 years. Lately, it ain't comin up roses.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 02:42 PM

Matter of fact... I just posted to this thread and it did not got to the top of the threads on the refresh. The waiter is slow at the Café lately.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 18 Nov 07 - 10:41 PM

Well, I put dinner on the table, ate a nibble and can now get back to threading. So my second stop after checking on bee's little kitty who has the horrible nme of snowball was to come look at the food threads.

Did nobody try my California Dip bread recipe????

>sigh<

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Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Janie
Date: 18 Nov 07 - 11:00 PM

Molasses Wheat Bread


This is a recipe I adapted from a Honey Wheat Bread recipe. Do NOT use rapid rise yeast or the yeast dispensor, if your machine has one.   The loaf will be heavy, doughy in the center, will not rise properly.

1 1/8 cups water
1/3 cup molasses
1/3 tsp salt
2 1/2 cups whole wheat bread flour
1/2 cup unbleached white bread flour
2 tsp. active dry yeast.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 07:48 AM

A word of warning

If using rye - don't let it go mouldy. Bread or flour.

Ergot - that's why - think LSD (unrefined).

one of Joy's customers kept Ryevita so long it grew whiskers and she reported some weired effects. There was a reported case between the wars in France of a large number of people in one village doing weired things (suicides etc) and it correlatd with bread from one baker - rye bread.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 01:55 PM

That's right, Mr. Red. I keep my rye flour frozen till needed.

Here's a recipe I developed myself. It's good. These are American measurements.

BASIL BREAD

Put in breakmaker IN THE ORDER SPECIFIED BY YOUR MANUFACTURER:

1 cup plus 2 tablespoons water
1 teaspoon salt
2 tablespoons sugar
1 tablespoon dried, leaf basil (this is fine but not powdered)
1.5 tablespoons olive oil
3 cups bread flour
2 tablespoons dry milk
1.5 teaspoons rapid-rise yeast. (the kind that comes in a small brown jar)

Push the buttons for a small, regular loaf. Remove when baked and cool on a rack.

Somedays I use rosemary instead of basil.
=========
Neighbors were moving and gave me a bread machine about 3 years ago. I've hardly bought a loaf of bread in a store since. Now I realize how salty bread from a store is.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 02:03 PM

I always halve the amount of salt in any printed bread recipe.

I was interested in this idea of freezing rye flour. How do you pack it to freeze it and is there anything else that I would need to know? It would never have occurred to me to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: sourdough thanks
From: peregrina
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 02:34 PM

That 1847 sourdough sounds like just what I'm looking for. Surely a lot better than trying to capture the wild yeast in my kitchen.
Thanks, Dave's wife

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: GUEST,Janie
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 03:00 PM

eanjay,

I keep all of my flour, grains and pasta in the freezer in ziplock freezer bags. (To kill India Moth eggs - especially a problem with organic grains.) When I think of it, I measure out what I need for a recipe to sit out to warm to room temperature. When I don't remember, I measure it into a stainless steel bowl, and warm it briefly in the oven (just a few brief minutes), stirring it several times. Since freezing does lower the moisture content of flours, I sometimes have to increase the liquid in the recipe a little bit.)

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 03:10 PM

Janie, thanks for that - I am going to try it.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 04:20 PM

If you visit that first link Spaw posted you'll find a couple of my standard recipes down near the bottom. I have tried some different flours over the years, but the proportions are about the same. On my whole wheat bread I use 1 1/4 cup whole wheat and 2 3/4 cups white and it still works okay on the manual setting for white bread (on the DAK machine).

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Lorne's wife
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 04:31 PM

Excellent bread making book: "Bread Machine- how to prepare and bake the perfect loaf" by Jennie Shapter published by Hermes House ISBN 1 84309 399 5
(Got mine in a National Trust gift shop.)


Sourdough section includes French couronne, honey and beer rye bread, pane all'olio (uses a biga starter), proper ciabatta, challah and San Fracisco-style sourdough. (This one takes up to 6 days to make the sour dough starter.)

Measurements in imperial, metric and by volume.


Lorne's wife.

ps. if the machine walks, maybe your dough is a bit stiff?

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Rowan
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 04:35 PM

If you freeze your flour, it's a good idea to use all of what you subsequently thaw as soon as it's thawed.

Freezing dried specimens of plant material in a sealed container is the standard method of killing all insects, mites (which are arachnids rather tham insects), whether as eggs, all their respective larval stages or as adults. Three days would be enough for most things consumed domestically but herbaria, where specimens may be woody and substantial and must meet quarantine criteria, will keep them frozen and sealed for a month. Prolonged freezing is known to denature most vitamins.

Freezing delays bacterial growth and fungal growth but domestic freezers may not kill all the fungi and bacteria present, which is why herbarium specimens are dried out or preserved in various liquids, usually containing at least some alcohol.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Janie
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 12:08 AM

I keep them stored in the freezer because I can never entirely rid the place of the moths. I live in a creaky, cattywhumped old house. The back of the closets and cupboards is the original beadboard, none of the joints or panels are flush, there are little cracks and crevices everywhere. A few of the little boogers always seem to escape a thorough turn-out of the cabinets and soon multiply to infest anything not in a tin can in just a couple of months. Sticky traps help, but anything grain not eaten within a week is doomed to nurture a new generation.

If I could completely eliminate the moths from the house and cupboards, then I'd just freeze grain products long enough to kill any eggs that might be brought in.

In their mature, moth state, they may be emmissaries of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Maybe I should just designate the cupboards a shrine?

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 03:30 PM

Janie - Indian meal moths are huge pests here in Southern California and I also must take extreme measures to keep from having a seriuous infestation.

I have found that the most likely carriers of the eggs or larvae are usually baking mixes from the supermarket or pasta. With pasta it seems to be the kind that comes in cardboard boxes. With baking mixes, even if they come in cello-bags inside the boxes, they can still contain larvae cuz them nasty little larvae gots sharp teefers and can chomp their way in via itsy bitsy holes. Cornmeal and corn based mixes are the WORST offenders with cake mizes coming in a close second.

I store all my moth-likely foods in airtight containers that I then seal up with clear plastic packing tape. i date the items with the day I sealed it as well as the date it was purchased and the palce it came from in the event of infestation. That way if I open it up and see dead adults, I know they arrived as eggs or larvae in that food product.

I also use moth traps. I know that various websites claim that the sticky traps are inneffective and for years I believed that. then I finally bought some when Gardens Alive was having a $25 off $25 purcahse discount code special and I got a bunch for free. Man oh man what a difference a half dozen traps in the kitchen can make! I have them up near every cupboard, over the sink and over the trash can. I replace them every couple of weeks or sooner if need be and it has kept my foods reasonably moth-free ever since I began using them.

I'll come b ack here and post a link to the place that sells them. Their cockroach traps are great too - no pesticides either. Here in los Angeles we have "water Bugs" which are just huge mexican cockroaches and everyone has 'em no matter how clean you keep your home. Using the raps helps keep them to a bare minimum and the plus is your pets can't be harmed from them.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 03:39 PM

I remember silverfish growing up in southern Kansas. Haven't seen a silverfish (bug) for years. Just as well. I keep saying if you put the flour, meal, mix, etc. in the deep freeze for a week it will kill the eggs and larvae, THEN seal it up so no more can get in.

Here, it's weevil eggs/larvae. Don't tell my family but I usually just strain out the dead shells and use the stuff anyway. Cooking will kill the rest of the beasties. Besides, it's just protein.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 04:07 AM

Sorcha... hehehe... does anyone ask for your "secret recipe"?

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 09:15 AM

Sorcha - an Italian neighbor of mine swore by a stick of peppermint gum added to flour and meal to keep away silverfish and other bugs but I have no real experience with that. Just thought I'd mention it.

You can buy the Meal moth Traps at the Gardens Alive website. Go there and register for email notices of deals & discounts and sooner or later you'll get a code for $20 off a $40 purchase or better and you can get them essentially 2 for 1.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 10:26 PM

Salt - commercial bakers add more so that the loaves will last for extended sale - if you are home baking and consume within 24 hours, you need far less.

"it's volume came to 200ml, whereas the Oz cup was (from memory) 250ml."

It's now common that (imported into Aus) cheap plastic cup measures are often only 200 ml.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 11:45 PM

OK, Sorcha / Dave's Wife / Rowan / et al - slight thread creep here - what's the best way to deal with Silverfish infestations amongst your books and your paperwork and your wool&yarn collection???!!! Freezing them, one at a time, just ain't gonna work for me!!!!!


Cheers! R-J

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: rich-joy
Date: 11 Jan 08 - 11:48 PM

sorry - that "GUEST" was me, having lost my cookie ....

Cheers! Rich-Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 01:49 AM

It may be slow for silver fish, but it is a great way to safely dry out a book that has gotten wet. Now that's thread creep!

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 04:00 PM

Ummm - stick a stick of peppermint gum between every page?

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 08:51 PM

Freezing.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Bread Machine (Maker)
From: rich-joy
Date: 13 Jan 08 - 06:47 AM

.......... sigh ..........

but thanks :~)

R-J