review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:23 PM

i just got there new cd, iys really nice.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 03:50 AM

No Non Aligned Leftie, I wouldn't dream of doing you any harm whatsoever, nor anyone else unless they were threatening me or mine with violence.

Personally I also can't stand John Prescott or his corrupted idea of labour politics but I wouldn't assault him either.

eric

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 04:35 PM

Aye jOhn - I used to be Dave the Goblin but I cahnged it because I shared a middle name with too many reprobates on here:-)

I've nowt at all against Fat blokes (I am one) or the good town of Kingston upon Hull. Can't stand Johnny two jags though.

Eric - I apologise. I said it wouldn't work. It has. You have suceded on burying your earlier very ill informed statement in amongst a load of twaddle about Prescotts human rights.

Well done.

:D

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,Non Aligned Leftie
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 03:45 PM

ERIC SEZ: "Non Aligned Leftie my arse, why are you here ? do you think it is OK for certain people to be assaulted ? as long as it's not you I suppose or your friends or relations. Why do you think it's OK ? will it be OK if I come round to your town and assault you ?"

ERIC LATER SEZ: "Non Aligned Leftie, you haven't answered my questions, why ?"

Let's start with the easy one, a starter for ten, ok? Why haven't I answered your question? Because I have a teeny weeny suspicion you don't really want me to. Am I right? Or is it 'nil point'?

Now to the others.

1. I don't know why your arse is here. So you don't fall off chairs when you sit down, presumably.
2. Personally I wouldn't assault anyone without extreme provocation. That's because I'm revoltingly forgiving. Prescott wasn't assaulted though. He was rendered slightly wet. By his own admission he's done far worse himself.
3. Neither I nor any of my friends or relations are powerful political figures. So no, I don't think it's ok to assault us. I also don't think it's ok to assault John Prescott. The odd egg or custard pie (or at the really limp end of le politique slapstique, the odd champagne bucket half full of water) is an occupational hazard. It's only assault in the way your head hitting the pillow is also assault. Some would merely call it commentary.
4. Why is it ok? Who are you again? Jeremy Paxman? John Prescott's mum? Anyway, actual assualt isn't usually ok. However, if John Prescott came steaming down the road at me in a bulldozer with a dagger between his teeth, a sharp tap to the back of the head might be in order. For instance.
5. No it won't be ok. Sounds like you might want to. Thankfully, you don't know where I live. However, if I ever start a war, feel free to pelt me with random bits of dinner and liquid (preferably Wychwood Hobgoblin, but give me fair warning so I can crank open my mouth as wide as possible).

Hope that answers your series of questions to your complete satisfaction and enjoyment.

NAL

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 03:36 PM

As this discussion is entitled 'review:Chumbawamba' I'd quite like to know what people think of it. I love it.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 03:30 PM

It's a shame that those who turn up aren't a better cross section and that they often stop others from joining in

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,the button (not at work)
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 03:02 PM

"The world is run by those who turn up."

I like that one. :-)

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 02:46 PM

The world is run by those who turn up. If you don't like the way it is run, get you mates organised and turn up. Then it might be better.

You will need lots of mates and you will need to be well organised with short, long and medium term plans. You will need to decide what to do when the unexpected happens and what to do when you are simply wrong, because you will be sometimes.

We need you.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,albert
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 02:41 PM

hey i am welsh and i started this thread and love chumbawamba!! as for prescott being welsh..totally irrelevant.But he is a warmonger and up to his neck in the Iraq debacle .
albert

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 02:31 PM

"what is a Canuck winter? "

Canadian winter:
when it's 45 to 50 degrees celsius below freezing, when the snow is piled high (there's actually a pile in Montreal that's currently 80 feet high, check Canadian news for that one). All this goes on for up to 5 months of the year... at least back east it does, on the west coast it's alot milder ;-)

Charlotte (doesn't have mukluks on)

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 02:12 PM

Canadian winter.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,silver slug
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 02:06 PM

The French, can't stand them! I'll show my ignorance (even more of it) and ask what is a Canuck winter?

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: 21st Century Bluesman
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 01:26 PM

Richard Bridge - No, the rider does not come out of the band's fee. It is an on-cost for the organiser.

Not true, the rider is often taken out of the act's fee.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Marje
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 01:19 PM

I'll link that remark about the Scots with an observation to bring this thread back on topic: yesterday there was a review of Chumbawamba in the Independent. The reviewer explained how they'd used samples of "English" folk singers in their records, citing Dick Gaughan and Belle Stewart among the examples.


Marje

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 01:14 PM

Poor guy ain't seen a Canuck winter.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 01:07 PM

He added the Scots...anyone else while you're at it?
I mean why stop there?

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 01:00 PM

We can do politics or talk about politics. When people do things they get things right and they get things wrong John and New Labour did both.

Yes the total power of the State, violent and otherwise, was used to destroy the Miners, who did they think they were taking on the EFDSS?

I seem to remember A Scargill failed to take the Notts Miners with him and led off on half a strike. That's life. But we can all talk ourselves to death because little follows from talk.

"I dislike everthing about Prescott's public personna, from his political beliefs to the fact that he's Welsh "

Well thanks for a clear statement. Would you care to add any other groups?

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Silver Slug
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 12:59 PM

Sorry, it's a prejudice I picked up after spending an extremely wet week in Llandudno when I was 15. The place was miserable, the inhabitants were miserable and I was miserable. My old man had to drive 50 miles on Sunday so that he could a pint (pre breathalyser) and that made him so miserable that he insisted that I took my sister to watch an awful vaudeville show, where we were the youngest members of the audience by some 50 years.

I've never forgiven the Welsh but don't worry because I feel the same way about the Scots! Flanders and Swan had the right of it!

Still love Chumbawamba , by the way.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 12:16 PM

"but I dislike ever(y)thing about Prescott's public personna, from his political beliefs to the fact that he's Welsh"

bet the BNP loves you Sluggo, me old sunshine

Charlotte (one quarter Welsh)

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 11:40 AM

Born in Prestatyn.
As is pointed out every single time this incident comes up.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Cath
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 11:35 AM

John Prescott is Welsh? That's news to me Silver Slug and I bet it's news to John.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 11:00 AM

Non Aligned Leftie, you haven't answered my questions, why ?

eric

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 10:22 AM

A general statement: "Feed them and they will come."

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: the button
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 10:19 AM

Les in Chorlton wrote, "So, non-violent then?"

In this case, yes.

Thing is, we live in a society where political violence is the norm, but it's pretty much one way -- from the haves to the have-nots. Growing up in Yorkshire in the 80s, I remember the vanload after vanload of coppers going past the top of our street on their way to the M62 to get to the pits -- and I remember the political violence they dished out when they got there.

But of couse that's "law & order," isn't it? It's only "violence" when those who aren't supposed to start fighting back.

I remember also the Poll Tax riot -- I must've been (let me see...) 20 at the time. Great fun. Would I do it again? Probably not, but only because I'm not so sure I could outpace the OB nowadays. Ho ho.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Silver Slug
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 09:34 AM

I bet Chumbawamba would love this, talk about thread drift! I don't know the man personally but I dislike everthing about Prescott's public personna, from his political beliefs to the fact that he's Welsh (the EU had the right idea as far as I'm concerned). He deserves every bit of ridicule that comes his way, not to mention the odd bucket of water.

As for Chumbawamba, I have enjoyed everthing that I've heard from them lately and love 'Add Me,' the sentiments of which sum up the My Space, You Tube, Facebook phenomena.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,Non Aligned Leftie
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 08:50 AM

It was a small bucket of water. Hardly a beating. So please Eric, calm down. Your actions may not be violent but your language sure as hell is.

I repeat my question: are you saying Mudcat is only for pacifists? Because if you dip below the line you'll see there's a hell of a lot of pro-war, pro-violence sentiments being expressed on this site. And we're talking support for a wear that involved mass killing of innocent Iraqi civilians at the behest of Prescott's chums' government, not a poxy bit of suit-dampening!

And try not to get personal, please.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 07:51 AM

Dave Polshaw-whats wrong with been fat and from hull then?

Anyway=dident you used to be Dave the Goblin or something?

Got nowt against goblins, just wondered what you changed name for. :-)

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 07:42 AM

Only violent if someone is threatening me or mine with violence.

eric

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 07:18 AM

So, non-violent then?

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: the button
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 07:01 AM

I too was a trade union branch secretary. While I've never assaulted John Prescott, I was involved in planning a rooftop protest at his palatial residence when it turned out that the catering staff he was employing at some swanky "do" were being paid less than National Minimum Wage.

Happy days. :-)

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 06:44 AM

Non Aligned Leftie my arse, why are you here ? do you think it is OK for certain people to be assaulted ? as long as it's not you I suppose or your friends or relations. Why do you think it's OK ? will it be OK if I come round to your town and assault you ?

I was a trade union branch secrtary for many years and in that capacity I had many arguments, often heated, with management and occaisionally local MPs, nobody assaulted anybody.

eric

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 06:28 AM

I guess it's a general reference to non-violence

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,Non-Aligned Leftie
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 05:00 AM

"If you can't accept that..........why are you here ?"

What an odd question. Mudcat is only for people with the requisite degree of cap-doffing respect for powerful politicians? Do what?

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 04:14 AM

Dave I may or may not agree with you about John Prescott, but just like you and me he has the right not to be assaulted for his beliefs, look at the Margaret Thatcher thread, I loath her with a vengeance, but she still has the right not to be assaulted by me.

If you can't accept that..........why are you here ?

eric

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 04:02 AM

Is you mother a big fat politician from Hull then Eric?

Does she place herself in the public eye and own two jags?

Does she often alienate people with her political views?

I think you know very well that the two are completely different kettles of fish and I suspect you are just hide your original statement that Chumbawamba are a "Failed pop group trying to muscle in on folk music" in amongst some sort of pseudo political stance. I don't think it will work.

D.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 09:46 AM

Oops.

So it would be OK if I did it to your mother then Arran ?

eric

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 09:45 AM

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: goatfell
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 09:25 AM

I like them and anyone who did that to Prescott is all right in my book

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 07:07 PM

I saw Chumbawamba in Sidmouth 18 months ago in the Ham .They were quite brilliant....great songs and marvellous harmonies...and plenty of politics...I remember one song A Singsong and a Scrap...about the fight to roam the mountains and open spaces in the 1930s.It deserves to be up there or out there..along with The Manchester Rambler.The band brought on Coope Boyce and Simpson for a few songs so they were up to seven part harmonies for some time.There was a standing ovation from a packed and appreciative Ham audience.
ifor

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 07:28 AM

is Mick Bedford with them these days?

Brilliant drummer! He played on my album.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 07:16 AM

I cannot see any difference between what they do and what Fairport do.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 05:42 AM

I am in the "music comes in two categories - good or bad" camp.
I may not like some of the "good" stuff (some grand opera and some free-form jazz for starters) but I recognise it as "good".
Those who whinge that Chumbawamba are "not f*lk enough" are the very ones who damage the genre which I will no longer name as such by insisting that the turgid racket they seem so fond of is "good enough for f*lk".
This band is indeed moderately well-known throughout the music world and they have achieved this by turning in consistently good performances and not dumbing down.
Any band who covers Joe Strummer has got to be OK.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Banjiman
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 05:26 AM

But they've been moderately successful and people outside of the folk world have heard of them.....of course they are going to get a kicking from certain elements on Mudcat!

It might be folk....but it's not FOLK enough!

Paul

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,albert
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 04:11 AM

I have to say that some of the miserablist comments above really take the biscuit.
Chumbawamba were performing in a rundown rock venue in the centre of Swansea.
They were not treated as far as I could see to luxury or pampering.
Their music was fantastic ,much of it from the English folk tradition and the self penned numbers were in the folk and acoustic style.
They finished with that great english folk song by that well known balladeer Joe Strummer, Bankrobber , which owes a debt to Robin Hood!
albert

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 04:53 PM

"Certainly they are not folksingers although conceivably they might be folksong singers"
that's always been my impression of them, and I realised, while I was out for a few minutes, GUEST,guest 's enormous gaffe (Mostly these drinks come from their fee anyway, so what's it to you?), I guess it really didn't sink in when I read it, but I see someone else has already articulated my thought. Oh... and being a performing musician myself, that's what it is to me.

Charlotte (keyboardist, and I don't mean just a computer)

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:17 PM

No, the rider does not come out of the band's fee. It is an on-cost for the organiser. Most folk gig organisers make no more than the musicians and often less.

Of course that begs the question of whether Chum(whatever) are folk performers. Certainly they are not folksingers although conceivably they might be folksong singers. They are I think excellent performers descending from the folk idiom.

The question I perceive as apposite is whether a true socialist can justify ligging.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:02 PM

John went to my school but a few years before I got there, so I suppose strictly speaking it was his.

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 07:00 AM

i think there really good.


I went to same school as Dave Prescott (johns son).

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 05:29 AM

Cchumbawamba are a great band and are on tour at this month.Their latest collection of songs The Boy Bands Have Won sounds very good to me!!!
ifor

Subject: RE: review: Chumbawumba (Chumbawamba)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 05:12 PM

Why should they be put 'in their place'?
What is their place?
Mostly these drinks come from their fee anyway, so what's it to you?