BS: Lord Stanley's Cup

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:13 PM

Well Mr. Hockey turned 80 today. To my mind he was the all time great even though I was never a Wings fan. Go Gordie go!

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:19 PM

Gordie is certainly in my top five. But there is no comparing him to Gretzky. There is no comparing Gretzky to Orr, or Orr to Lemeiux or Lemeiux to Messier. Now there are a few kids in the league who may join that group. Maybe two in Pittsburgh.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Big Mick
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:40 PM

Gordie Howe....... yep, that man stood in a class all by himself.

Thanks, Adrien, I will certainly do that. You do me honor with the offer. I look forward to that day, and sharing a jar and some songs.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:51 PM

Thanks for the reminder Sandy. And Jack, your right there is no comparison. But I will say this. Mr Howe didn't need anyone to protect him. I don't believe, and correct me if I am wrong, that he had any weakness.
Your welcome Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:55 PM

Howie had the best elbows in the league. ;-)

Messier was a bit of a bad ass too.

In a straight up fight who would win?

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 10:12 PM

It wouldn't have happened because they would have respected each other. Just like Frank Mahovlich vs Bobby Hull or Richard versing Howe and so on. I just don't think it would have happened. However to answer your question. I don't know.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: gnu
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 04:25 AM

Yeees... Mr. Elbows! But, a fight? I say John Ferguson would win.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 07:29 AM

No way gnu. Ferguson picked his opponents. When Eric Nesterinko, who was rated #1 tough guy in his day, took on Howe it was a one punch knock out. After that the tough guys left Howe alone. Howe was not a fighter on the ice because in his younger days he was feared and in later years so highly respected that he didn't have to be. Howe had his own space on the ice. People entered it at their peril. Opposing Howe you would play the puck, not the body and wait politely for him to come out of the corners. Only Tim Horton and Bobby Hull were nearly as strong as Howe, but he was regarded as the strongest in his day. Messier was probably the one closest to matching his skill and strenth combination. Howe could do things that nobody else could though. He had a wrist shot that was deadly hard and accurate and could shoot right or left. More than anything else he could set the speed of the game to his liking.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 07:48 AM

Set the speed.............. Bobby Orr could do this as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Mooh
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 09:56 AM

Saw Gordie Howe on TV receive his jacket. He still looks better than the men's league players hereabouts.

When I was a kid, he was one of the few players who transcended the team, ie fans of all teams cheered for him. Not just great conditioning, training, skills, and inate ability, but fantastic perception, ambition, grace, and pure unadulterated instinct. Old clips of him leave me with that "how'd he get there?" feeling. Gretzky had it, but didn't have the size and stamina.

Few players would qualify for the "perfect player" definition, but Howe would be first.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Mooh
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 10:05 AM

YouTube has Big Bob & The Dollars "Gordie Howe Is The Greatest Of Them All". Pretty camp, but some fun.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 10:36 AM

"Set the speed.............. Bobby Orr could do this as well."
He sure could! He was able to control play much the same way as Howe.
Both of them would play their regular shift, kill penalties and quarter-back the power plays without burning out because they could slow the whole game down when they grew tired. Orr learned much from watching Howe and he had the natural ability to make it work. Even with crippled knees he could outskate the opposition. I would place Orr #2 on my greatest all around player list but oddly not the greatest defenseman. That spot belongs to Doug Harvey. Orr played in a weaker post expansion league and he changed the game to suit his style. For a defenseman to skate behind the opposing net was almost unheard of before, but it became his signature play to pass out to big Esposito planted in front of the net or to use Espo as a decoy as he slipped the puck home himself.
However Orr changed the game not always for the better because every defenseman in the league tried to imitate his style and non could. That was not his fault though. He was great!

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 01:21 PM

Coffee was a pretty good imitation of the style. I would agree that most could not.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 10:54 PM

Big Mick, I'll take you up on that pint and see you another in a fine toast to the Irish and the Red Wings,...and Beer can slide in there too. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:02 PM

Yahooooooooooo!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:16 PM

I had two top ranked teams to cheer for a month ago, Senators and Hurricanes. Now it looks like one of them won't make it to the playoffs.

They are both sagging like the sack on a sixteen year old shar-pei.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:20 PM

Two great teams. I hope your wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:30 PM

The way they are slumping they will get chewed up in the first round anyway.

If they bow out early, I'll cheer for Pittsburgh. Great young team, fun to watch and the salary cap will probably break them up for next season.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: bankley
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 07:36 PM

the Cup moves around but Vancouver will always have the Stanley Park

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 07:44 PM

Ahhhhhhh, just what team would like to go up against my Caps???

That's right!!!

Okay, they were weak early but right now they win two more games, which the way they are playin' is very diable, and they probably make the playoffs...

Like who wants them in the 1st round??? Huh???

They are on fire right now!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: bobad
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 07:46 PM

The Caps vs. Pens would be quite a series.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 10:54 PM

I agree Bobad, but The Caps are not there yet Ron. I'm pulling for them to play against the Canadians.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 10:55 PM

My Hurricanes and your Caps both have 90 points. Apparently the canes have the tiebreaker because the standings have them in first. But I would be surprised if the Caps don't win the Southern division.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 11:36 PM

Bobert check out this article.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 08:44 AM

Yezzir, yezzir, Jack...

The "O Man" should be a shoe in for the Hart Trophy...

What, 63 goals now??? And counting... The "O Man" is all over the ice...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 09:40 AM

GO PENS!

The cap will NOT break up the Pens next year. There is one guy they may have to lose, but the rest is media hype over the Hossa signing.

The Pens have been underfunded, staying way under the cap, while waiting for a new arena for years. They now have a deepening pocket, while the cap is set for a COLA-type raise very soon. The only core guy likely to have to leave for greener pastures is Malone. His value will only be calculable after the Pens (and his playoff stats) show whether they have gained enough experience to play nine different ways against teams that have scouted ALL the Pens' present-level-of-development strategies and tactics.

Yes I know they have all the talent in the world. Many nights you can see them coast on that youthful talent and then, when the magic gets tired, not knowing how to win on prosaic human-level TEAM skill. Some of that is youthful bravado and magical thinking, and some of that is young-man bodies with slower recovery and lower stamina than their elders.

But they are still learning the finer points of putting their talents together, and being able to execute. (I mean the technical learning-curve, not the attitude.)

Most of their losses this year (I have seen each and every one) have been caused by other teams being able to outcoach and out-counterpunch their moves. I say "outcoach" not because I think Therrien isn't a great coach, but because even the best talent still must develop line and team system refinements; he has only had a very short period of time with these kids.

When you watch them week in and week out you can see which thing Therrien is working on with them, and sometimes when a new systems skill is in development it temporarily disables one previously learned until they get to the point in the curriculum of putting the group of skills together.

So this year they will get as far in the playoffs as they get, and Malone will have to see what his market value-- not his agent's hype-- really is. And they'll have to decide if Hossa is a PermaPen, or just a Playoff Pen.

It will be great to watch, though.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Becca72
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 12:00 PM

(rubbing eyes) Do I really see another Caps fan?? I KNEW there was something I liked about ya, Bobert! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 12:12 PM

Yup, havin' grown up in the D.C. area I am a homer for all the Washington teams, down to the Mystics...

I'm really hoping that the Caps go to the finals... That would make up for the decades of disappointments that we D.Cer's have had to endure with purdy muc all of our teams...

Okay, the D.C. United are an exception...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 12:42 PM

>>I'm really hoping that the Caps go to the finals.

I think that Huet is is the type of goalie who can get hot in the playoffs. Its not out of the question.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Becca72
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 12:59 PM

I've been lucky enough to see Huet come up through the ranks from the AHL as Manchester is a division rival of the Portland Pirates..I have high hope for the lad.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 01:43 PM

Damned Blackhawks! What is it about those chaps that they've given my guys FITS this year? OOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW! Go Wings - beat Chicago!
Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 09:30 PM

4-1 for the Caps with about 2 minutes remaining. Fantastic. Man i hope they can make it. Two goals for mr. "O".

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 09:33 PM

Eight straight for Huet.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 09:49 PM

The Sens seem to have found their scoring touch in Toronto. 7-2 with 13:09 in the 3rd.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 09:53 PM

Looks like the Flyers, Bruins and Hurricanes are in Range of the Cap, if one of them loses one and the caps win out, I could happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 10:00 PM

Wings just tied the game 2-2 with 2 minutes left.
No I won't press the send button. Bad luck I'm going to wait the 2 minutes. Mr. "Z" with a few seconds left scores.
Wings win.


"Go Wings Go"

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 10:03 PM

I just looked at the standings I was wondering if they had anything to play for. Did they just clinch 1st?

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 10:14 PM

Yes. For the fifth year in a row I think. Not sure though.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: 3refs
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 10:37 AM

Toronto Fan

OH YA! WELL....WELL...JUST WAITE TILL NEXT YEAR!!!!

Qestion: What do the Toronto Maple Leafs, Blue Jays, Argo's and Rock all have in common?









None of them will be playing hockey next week!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 01:29 PM

You poor folks, I try to save you all the agony. Just put your money on the Red Wings, and perhaps the winning of it will offer you some solace.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 01:58 PM

The Wings are OK. But they have their hands full in a conference with the Ducks and Sharks.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 02:04 PM

The Wings are OK!! Jack!! They are more than OK!! They are overall first not just in their devision but in all of the N.H.L.
Go Wings Go

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 03:00 PM

Well the Leafs suck again but wait 'till next year!
Perhaps they can trade the Raptors for Sid The Kid.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 03:11 PM

OK??????? The Wings are OK??????

You will pay for that, paleface, ashy, northerner. The Wings are OK???? Mick wanders off muttering to himself.......

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 03:45 PM

If they were in any other division they would not have nearly as many points. The Ducks and Sharks had to play each other eight times while the Wings were playing Columbus and St Louis.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: gnu
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 07:36 PM

The last one is....

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 07:43 PM

GNUUUU!!!!

Carolina scoring on the empty net on a delayed penalty! OOOOOUUUUCHHHHHHH

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 09:24 PM

Those clips were something else. Man a few of them would make any player hide under a bed.

You know what Jack, your probably right. And that same comment has been echoed for about 10 years. I wish they were in a different division. Like the one with Ottawa, Toronto and so on. Here in the outskirts of Montreal (no special T.V. to get all the channels.)I only get to see them about twice a year so I am not a good judge as far as to their overall play except by the total numbers of points they have. In fact it pisses me off that the sports channel here in Montreal gives the Baseball and the National Football so much coverage. They will show who hit the home runs, made the great plays of all the teams that have played. They will cover all the football games and all their plays. They will give the Canadians even more time(Which is totally acceptable being a local station in Montreal.) and then we get to hear the score of our National sport from other games played. Rarely do I get to know who scored. This totally pisses me off. I don't give two hoots who made touchdowns or hit all the home runs or who were the loosing and winning pitchers or who came in to relief. I want to know who scored for the teams playing hockey in suposively our National sport. Oh!, I do love baseball and the Detroit Tigers is my team. Expoes were.
All is well,
Beer (adrien)
"Go Wings Go"

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: bobad
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 09:46 PM

By virtue of Carolina losing this evening Ottawa has just squeaked into the playoffs. They don't look good tonight - down 2-0 to Boston in the third and don't inspire much confidence heading into the playoffs.

Looking a bit better now as Vermette just scored.

Here's hoping they find their A game, and soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup
From: Beer
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 10:44 PM

Got ya bodad. They have been on a slide but her is hoping they will get it together. A great team with exciting players.