'English Country Dances', Please

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 05:00 PM

Oh look, a troll

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 May 08 - 05:06 PM

Nah...... just a longtime member amazed at the overall silliness of this thread!

Continue along at your own rapid pace. I expect this thing will implode of its own inanity somewhere in the 500 post range........

Spaw

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 05:11 PM

well I love silliness once in awhile, keeps me from getting TOO serious about things, oh long time member

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 May 08 - 05:18 PM

Well then welcome to the 'Cat Noob.........You'll find I am the least serious member around here.

Spaw

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 05:26 PM

If you say so

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 29 May 08 - 05:31 PM

most adults do understand the difference between questioning immigration and being racist

Maybe, but I don't understand the difference between questioning immigration in the name of English culture and racism. What are they going to do to your precious English culture (whatever that actually is)? Who are 'they' anyway - the French? the Scots? the Irish? the Jews? (Sorry, but this kind of thinking goes back a long way.)

I saw an Asian lad on the news the other day, talking about how he crosses the street if he sees a group of white lads on the corner. (In the interests of fairness, the programme also interviewed some white locals, who were telling horror stories about the local Asians.) Anyway, I was having trouble understanding what this lad was saying - blimey, I thought, he's got a broad accent... After a moment I realised it was a broad Yorkshire accent. Born and bred in England, I don't doubt - and in twenty or thirty years' time there'll be plenty of kids with Albanian and Somali parents, speaking English with broad Yorkshire accents. I shouldn't think they'll be going to English Country Dances, though.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 29 May 08 - 05:35 PM

Phil,If we can do anything about it they will!

Cheers

Les

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 29 May 08 - 05:37 PM

But maybe that's Manchester?

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 05:38 PM

In situations like this I'm always reminded of the time, in my youth, when a friend, whose parents were East Indian, and I were walking along the road when a group of yobbos yelled, at my friend, the old "GO BACK WHERE YA CAME FROM!" To which my friend replied to me, in a stage whisper "Oh are they going to me me bus fare back to Erdington, then?" We were in Handsworth, the area of Birmingham I lived in at the time :-D

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 29 May 08 - 06:14 PM

My father used to wear a (fake) fur hat, to keep his head warm. One winter's day we were in the East End of London, my father in his fur-effect hat. A local little old lady caught his eye in the street and beckoned him over. Being a lay reader, back at home, he was quite used to people coming up to him in the street and complimenting him on his sermons or passing on messages about the church fete, and I think he vaguely thought this was something similar. Anyway, he walked across to the beckoning East Ender and leaned over so that he could hear what she was saying, and what he heard was:

"Why don't you f*** off back to Russia!"

(This isn't strictly relevant, but then what is?)

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a Monster
Date: 29 May 08 - 06:20 PM

Erdington, eh? That's where me Dad's from. Not relevant to the thread but just thought I'd say.

Could I also say that despite various of my ancestors being here for a long while, my surname is of Norman origins, so maybe I'd better repatriate myself back to the wilfully flattest bit of France I can find.

To me, espousing views on immigration that almost exactly replicate those of the BNP is at worse racist, at best stupid. If that shower o' shite got any real power, you'd probably get your monocultural, retrogressive England, but at a hell of a price. Maybe you think it's one worth paying, but if you truly joined forces with those who'd like to expel or marginalise my black and asian British mates, as a modern Englishman, I'd be forced to indulge in the "tradition" of fighting you all the way to A&E in their defence. Bollocks to the niceties, then. Don't you realise you're playing with fire with these fascistic opinions, WAV?

Why can't we celebrate that many of our best traditions either originated abroad or were influenced by things brought in from abroad? Morris (possibly 'Moorish') dancing, for instance. What we have becomes stronger when it takes on new life.

It's a bit like the European royals. Keep it in the family for too long and you start growing prehensile tails and webbed feet. Allow a - shall we say - broadening of the cultural gene pool and there's loads of new and exciting tangents to explore. Culture - like folk music - is a process not an arbitrarily frozen moment in time.

WAV - please try to enjoy the England you live in. If you truly don't like it, may I suggest a move to a small town (any small town) in New Zealand? It won't be the imaginary 1950s Britain you dream of, but it does in some ways replicate aspects of 1970s Britain, complete with the "shite comedy" style racism. You'd probably feel right at home. I couldn't wait to get back to good old multicultural Blighty, myself.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 06:22 PM

Phil Edwards said in brackets," (This isn't strictly relevant, but then what is?)

I think we're both making a point, I'm not sure what THAT point is. That being so, it's right in line with anything WAV has been saying. :-D

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 30 May 08 - 04:38 PM

Whilst I have no desire to perpetuate this thread, I wish to apologise to 'WAV'.

My post (as Guest) about not being able to get a job was mean spirited of me. I've been unemployeyed myself and it's deeply crap. Apologies if I hurt you on that count.

However, you still come across as a Fascist, which is a REALLY bad thing.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 30 May 08 - 04:39 PM

THREAD R.I.P

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 05 Aug 08 - 11:01 AM

Didn't realise this one was still open; so much I missed as well...

Thanks, ESAM for this:

I don't want to live
in
postwar
       austerity
                Britain
I don't want recieved pro-nun-ci-a-ti-on
       on black and
                                           WHITE
TV and bastard Enoch in the late
1960s
with his "rivers of
                      blood"
(giving sainted Wolverhampton
                              "A BAD NAME")

No.

Give me e-ceilidhs
       Brummie baltis
       Good Polish beers (and better Polish plumbers)
       Bhangra beats and Bollywood chic
       Jerk chicken and dumplings
       Bagels
       Pizza (stoned baked)
       Even the Imagined Village (for the concept if not the execution)
       English cricket captains with subcontinental names
       Even Aussies...

NONE OF THIS
Ruins my Melton Mowbray Pork Pie
Or Shirley Collins albums
Or Wychwood Hobgolblin
Or, By God, Mrs Kirkham's Tasty Lancashire

Its all part of
               My
                beautiful
                         chaotic
                                 multiculti
                                           England