BS: Foreign-Farce Football

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Sedayne (Astray)
Date: 25 May 09 - 02:15 PM

WAV - get a life.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 May 09 - 06:18 AM

I keep questioning economic-immigration, capitalism, etc., S. But I never knock any particular culture or race - not even light-heartedly - as you have done on Mudcat, by repeatedly referring to a recorder made in Japan as an "Engrish Frute" (back when you were Sedayne, I think).

And this is the very message I just emailed to my local ITV and BBC news:

"Instead of having 'experts' question Newcastle United, please please question the SYSTEM: not that long ago it was mostly-locals in MEANINGFUL competition; nowadays it is a greedy meaningless free-market foreign-farce that MUST be regulated."

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 May 09 - 03:34 AM

Geo-political facts are forever mutable, Terry. For instance, I'm rather proud of the fact of my Northumbrian birth as back in 1961 North Shields was indeed part of Northumberland, rather than North Tyneside or wherever it is these days. As an Irish-Northumbrian-Jew brought up with closer links to Scotland (as is invariably the case in Northumberland) I've never been too sold on the idea of Englishness, let alone WAV's entirely idiosyncratic take on it. His (self-published) message is one of rank & ill-informed stupidity that bears no relation to the reality which he steadfastly refuses to acknowledge, persisting as he does with his dangerously racist beliefs. Stuff like this:

English culture is taking a hammering and, when people lose their own culture, society suffers.

and...

England was a more English place 50 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Terry McDonald
Date: 14 May 09 - 10:50 AM

I knew that, of course, but am always perplexed as to why people in some parts of the country like to deny a long established geo-political 'fact.' I suspect its to wash their hands of what they believe to be English misdemeanors in the past. In other words, I'm not English, I'm (insert pseudo nationality), so don't plame me, guv.

But let's not pursue it - I don't want to be accused of thread drift..........

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:44 AM

It's a Northumbrian thing, Terry - but only part of an increasingly diverse British identity. Though going HERE I notice to my delight that even though I now live in windswept wilds of the Lancastrian Fylde, back in 800 this was part of Northumbria too...

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Terry McDonald
Date: 14 May 09 - 08:15 AM

I missed Northumberland's secession from England. When did it happen?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 14 May 09 - 08:07 AM

So let me get this straight; you are citing a hymn author (Bode) as evidence to support a sociological/psychological/geopolitical assertion about national psyche? Now you got that bit of silliness out of your system, how about going to your local library and doing some proper research? I assume you're still not working, so you have the time. I'll engage with you again when you produce something credible, but not before.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 May 09 - 07:54 AM

Frankly, Tim, I can't even say I was in nappies then - I was born about 2 hours before the kick-off of the final but, as suggested, I have watched a documentory on the event.

"Now...evidence" (Tim)...

From O Jesus I have promised (in my repertoire of English hymns, above link)

"O let me hear thee speaking
In accents clear and still,
Above the storms of passion,
The murmurs of self-will;" (words by Bode; music by Mann)

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 14 May 09 - 07:26 AM

Still waiting for the evidence of this alleged heterogenous, phlegmatic national attitude WAV. Cat got your tongue?
Why should I watch the documentary WAV? I watched three games of that World Cup live (as in 'at the ground'), including England v Mexico at Wembley, and I saw every other game on TV at the time. In academic terms, this is called a 'Primary Source', unfiltered by a documentary maker or a producer trying to make some sort of point.
Now, perhaps you would be so kind as to support your ridiculous assertion about national attitude with some equally high-quality evidence.
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 14 May 09 - 06:18 AM

I've read widely from the anthology of English verse, I keep fit with lawn tennis, I enjoy pottages, I attend folk clubs and festivals (as you know, first hand), my own repertoire of songs and hymns is English or, at least, leans very much that way...

I've never read from the anthology of English Verse, never played lawn tennis, don't even know what a pottage is, and my repertoire of songs is drawn as much from the English speaking folk song traditions of America, Scotland, Ireland, Australia, Northumberland etc. as it is from England. I only sing hymns when I attend Roman Catholic Mass with my Welsh-born English wife, where I might also sing Gelineau Psalm Tones and Plain Song if I'm lucky. And to what extent are Folk Clubs and Folk Festivals (as American imports) uniquely English I wonder?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 May 09 - 05:08 AM

S. - I've read widely from the anthology of English verse, I keep fit with lawn tennis, I enjoy pottages, I attend folk clubs and festivals (as you know, first hand), my own repertoire of songs and hymns is English or, at least, leans very much that way...
T. - try and watch that documentary of the '66 world cup.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 14 May 09 - 04:32 AM

While we're at it; what did 'Imperialism' have to do with my request for evidence?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 14 May 09 - 03:44 AM

I'm an English nationalist

An English Nationalist and Naturalised Australian who resolutely refuses to assimilate himself into the wondrous realities our Good Own English Culture...

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 14 May 09 - 03:23 AM

Please answer the question; where is your evidence?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: s&r
Date: 13 May 09 - 04:08 PM

While you stick to your verse WAV you are harmless enough. Your tendency to write xenophobic little Englander posts is sadly rearing its head again

in sadness

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 May 09 - 04:00 PM

I'm an English nationalist - I don't like imperialism, Tim; and, with that, we do need to re-stiffen our upper lips.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 13 May 09 - 06:16 AM

George Best, John MacEnroe, Muhammad Ali, Fred Trueman, Ian Botham, Mike Hailwood, Bryan Robson, Jack Charlton, Alan Ball, Nobby Stiles... I could come up with a list of thousands, given time. None of them especially calm characters, but all highly successful. Your point is?
Evidence please for your ridiculous statement 'a calm calculating mood - a mood much more common in England, e.g., over the centuries...stiff upper lip, etc. '. Chapter and verse, a full analysis of the alleged national psyche over the centuries, reputable sources only, not the usual BNP inspired rubbish. Otherwise we'll just have to assume you're off on one of your fantasies about some kind of identifiable English temperament.
Grammar corner; what is the 'e.g.' for? What is the phrase 'over the centuries' an example of?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 May 09 - 05:56 AM

Take, e.g., Bobby Charlton, Bjorn Borg or Roger Federer, Tim: most of the time they were/are in a calm calculating mood - a mood much more common in England, e.g., over the centuries...stiff upper lip, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 13 May 09 - 05:34 AM

Let me get this clear; you claim that sport has lost meaning, and your solution is taking the passion out of sport, Sport?
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 May 09 - 05:26 AM

"Read the passionate outpourings" (MT)...

Poem 150 of 230: TEARS

Watching a documentary
    Of the '66 World Cup,
And the way of England's Ramsey,
    I thought: "Let's give 'passion' up."

It voiced and showed his calm way -
    He playing things down a touch;
And, as his home team won the day,
    They showed care but not too much.

Analytical Englishmen -
    Cool over the tasks that lay;
We see some of it in Henman,
    But it's not the modern way.

Sadly, passion and youthful thought
    Have become the status quo,
And social-standards and sport
    Have sunk relatively low.

From http://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com (e-scroll)
Or http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book)

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 13 May 09 - 04:36 AM

There is still a high level of meaning in Premier League football WAV. Hundreds of thousands of people turn up to celebrate that meaning every week of the season. Because you don't see the meaning, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Try getting down from your usual xenophobic hobby-horse and touring around the various fan message boards for Premier League clubs. Read the passionate outpourings in support of their clubs, and then revisit your argument about lack of meaning.
Tim
P.S. Please note that I managed to write eight lines and only used a single (appropriate) hyphen. Try it, you might enjoy it!

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Stu
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:09 AM

There would have been a higher level of meaning if the Villa would have qualified for the Champions League this year, but in the end we just got burnt out.

Roll on next season.

Up the Villa! Right up the Blues!

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 May 09 - 08:17 AM

True that the skill-level is high, CB; but, not that long ago, there was also a high level of meaning in premier-league football.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 May 09 - 07:36 AM

harry secombe,is the correct spelling.
I will watch Barcelona and Manchester United because I am likely to see good skill.
That is why I enjoy the music of John Kirkpatrick because he is a skilled performer,not because he is English.
WAv,I detest all the histrionics in soccer.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 May 09 - 04:45 AM

Congratulations to Whitley Bay for winning the F.A. Vase - which DOES mean something as it's still men trained here playing men trained there.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 12:25 PM

I haven't posted any "bigotry" Spaw - it's the likes of you, hiding behind your nickname, who's posted the likes of "white boy".

IB – great Welsh singers such as Harry Seacombe never sung in phoney American accents. And, again, I must stress the difference here between being anti-American and anti-Americanistion - we should all love our world being multicultural.

And there has been one small step in a positive direction on the matter of this thread - I heard last night on the news that the FA here are trying to insist that at least 4 of the fielded players spent at least 3 years at the club, before turning 21. Sepp Blatter would go further, and I would go much further, of course, but it's better than nothing - although the "Premier Leaugue" clubs are expexted to fight it in court.

As I've said here, to have reasonably fair competition, we need stong REGULATIONS – NOT free markets.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 12:51 AM

A lot of his ideas are just completely baked, nothing halfway about them. Bigotry is like that............

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: s&r
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 07:16 PM

Most people here most of the time don't criticize you WAV.

They just don't accept that your half baked ideas about anything have any merit

Regards

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 03:54 PM

Just watch the programme, WAV - Top Gear's up next, featuring that great Welsh singer Tom Jones... Cornish lobsters eh? Been a while...

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 03:50 PM

And there IS, I've just learned, more meaning in the Scilly Isles league: there are only 2 teams in it - but at least it's still locals against locals.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 05:25 AM

No, WLD - as "the flow" is yet more Americansiation/globalisation, and I love the world being multicultural and England's part therein.
A lot of the nicknames of our clubs derive from what was LOCAL, yes?...A bit like a lot of our E. trads, yes?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 04:57 PM

Lets put it this way. I wouldn't stop being proud of my nation just because we lose a penalty shoot out, or cos of Tim Henman's imperfect lobs.

malc Stent, a Brummy folksinger probably got nearer to it than most - when he said about the folkscene ....most people involved are 'good eggs.'

I think you could extend that to most streets in England. Most of the people are 'good eggs'. Yes we produce the odd Yorkshire Ripper and Harold Shipman and Fred West, but by and large we make the best of this overcrowded little corner of the world, and do our best with what comes our way.

There are some plumb ugly parts of England, but the nice bits make up for them.

I wouldn't presume to speak for Irish, Scots or Welsh people. but yes I feel good when I see or hear of one of them doing well. They aren't us, but they're from down our street - our closest neighbours, and we understand each other better than anyone else.

Notice I'm not saying that to understand all is to forgive all. In the past we've behaved abominably to each other - at other times like in WW2 - we've pulled together and achieved together.

No confusion WAV. But its not simplistic. The people I was descended from were Irish catholics from Dublin on one side and Irish gypsies on the other. Yet I am English - so were my parents, and two of my grandparents. If you're English you don't need to keep coming up with credentials, and proofs of purchase that you've bought in to us lot.

It reminds me a little of American born poet, TS Eliot; who fancied himself as an Englishman and went about doing stuff no English person would ever think of - raising his hat to the soldiers changing the guard outside Buckingham Palace, going to a fancy dress party dressed as DR Crippen, who had recently been hanged (...imagine if you went as Peter Sutcliff!); at the time of Thompson Bywaters case, he wrote to the papers insisting that poor Mrs Thompson should be hanged (which of course she was) in the event.

Stop defining....just go with the flow.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 04:04 PM

Stand by what? Try to write intelligibly, or not at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 01:51 PM

"pride in our nation" (WLD)...do you mean when the tennis or fooball is on - GB or England?...

"...A similar mess over nationality occurs in the sporting world where English children, for example, can hope to play (perhaps managed by a citizen of a nation they may compete against) football for England, rugby-league for England/Great Britain, rugby-union forEngland/British Isles, athletics for England/U.K., golf for England/Europe, cricket for a combined England and Wales, or tennis for Great Britain - but Wimbledon is still The All England Lawn Tennis Championships…Anyone for friendly-rival republics?!" (here).

"in a country that knows shit about Association Football" (Tim)...do you, "fed up" or not, stand by that - given all the criticisms you made of me?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 01:48 AM

All completely based on his previous posts, WLD. I've tried reasoning with this idiot ad nauseam, it doesn't work; he doesn't recognise reason, help when offered, logical reasoning or any other form of rational discourse. I'm fed up, and felt it was time someone said what lots of people (catspaw aside, who says it publicly all the time) have been saying in PMs for months. Personal attack yes, and not normally in my nature to do it;but I don't want a fool like WAV having an influence on the culture and music I care about; evil happens when good men do nothing, and all that...

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 05:48 PM

very personal attack mandotim. In truth what do we know about this guy's relationships. i don't know if he's a failure or a success, and I wouldn't claim to be a howling success myself at anything.

I just wish, he'd stop involving one's love of one's country with some sort of aggressive cultural imperialism. And constantly picking the speck out of his neighbours eye. the whole point about being English is that we're a fairly inclusive gang.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 04:59 PM

WAV; you don't know me at all; how dare you accuse me of being hotheaded? I've tried reasoned argument, logic, support, persuasion, academic critique, humour, guidance and the offer of knowledge. None of these produce any sort of sensible response from you, as many others on this list have told you. Don't you dare patronise me by telling me that what I have posted is false and defamatory (a form of words you repeat constantly, but are wholly unable to justify.) By any reasonable definition you are both a racist and a sexist, based on your own writing here and elsewhere. Judging by your seeming inability to learn from observation, reflection, active experimentation or abstract conceptualisation you are also stupid, in the true, non-perjorative sense of the word. You have no concept of what being English is, as evidenced by WLD's excellent post above, and have no real interest in learning about England and its real culture. You have been asked on numerous occasions to define clearly what you mean by 'English' and Good English Culture', and you have ducked the question every single time. This also makes you an intellectual and moral coward, willing to spout provocative rubbish without a shred of evidence or academic credibility to back it up. This is neither false nor defamatory, and can all be evidenced by reading your posts here and your utterly discredited websites.
To football; I have forgotten more about 'Associatin' (sic) Football in England than you, an Australian will ever know, having been steeped in the game by a family full of professional sports players, and an active player, shareholder and supporter of football for most of my life. Don't presume to lecture me about the rules and international competitions; see my posts above which reveal to all how bereft of knowledge you really are about how the game is run.
Finally; the truth about you WAV, the truth you can't handle; by your own accounts, you're a failure as a sportsman, you're a failure in relationships, you're a failure in your career, you're a failure in your attempts to integrate yourself into an alien culture (English), you're a failure as a musician, you're a failure as a singer, you're a failure as a poet. You're angry at the world for giving you these hard knocks, and lash out at anything that looks like an easy target; for example, immigrants who make a better life than you have, singers and players of songs that are too difficult for you to play, employers who give jobs to foreigners and not to you, people who earn a good living by being better than you at sports, women who play sports better than you. All of this to deflect from the fact that you can't accept that your record of multiple and abject failure might be at least partly your fault.
My country is important to me, WAV; I have lived in England all of my life, absorbing its many cultural messages, and revelling in the many wonderful influences that our mongrel race absorbs. I have never met anyone English with as narrow a view of England as you have. Most English people take a balanced and objective view of what it is to be English; you, WAV, are about as unbalanced as it gets. You have no respect on this board, and are unlikely to get any until you start responding to fair questions with proper, reasoned answers.
Grow up. Learn. Become good at something, preferably something you enjoy. Maybe then the world (and particularly modern England) won't seem like such a hostile place.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: ard mhacha
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 04:53 PM

Fair play to you WLD, I don`t want to be accused of racialism so my apologies to the many Africans and all of the European mainland footballers, some great players in this lot.
In Ireland, from our Rugby became professional, we also have numerous foreign players who have also added greatly to our rugby.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 04:15 PM

Well if its not racism, all I can say is - why don't you start another thread explaining what all these idiotic threads are about?

Englands national instrument, English footballers, English folkmusic not having chords.....

just what is the zeitgeist behind all this bollocks?

I've always lived in England. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

At what point are we attacking the fabric of the English way of life.....eating French onion soup, singing Irish rebel ballads, singing along with an Elvis impersonator, drinking Scotch whisky, ....?

Seriously, in your heart of hearts, isn't this just one daft load of cobblers after another?

England does mean a lot to those of us, who consider ourselves patriots. Its the nation our fathers fought for. Being English is visceral - its there in your guts. Even the debased version of patriotism like Thatcher promulgated couldn't shake our pride in our nation.

The sort of patriotism you seem to advocate is a shallow thing - tokens, 'cultural' practices, traditions that leave most of us cold.....we can take 'em or leave 'em. And mostly we leave 'em to the terminally 'short of something to think about'.

Meantime let me assure you, no one feels threatened by the presence of foreign football players. We are more secure in our sense of belonging than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 03:03 PM

More hot-headed false and defamatory rubbish - calm down and think again about Associatin Football international competitions, terminology, etc., Tim.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 01:44 PM

Australians playing an English game; surely you were ashamed to take part WAV? Oh, and WAV; you were a small boy at the time, in a country that knows shit about Association Football, so I think what we are talking about here might be a 'recovered memory' (look it up), i.e. you have convinced yourself you remember watching Ardiles and Villa.
You really don't have a clue about what being English is nowadays, do you WAV? The average supporter of an English club today doesn't give two hoots whether the players were from England, Scotland, France or bleedin' Timbuktu as long as they play for the team and the team does well. It's only the out-and-out racists who think that nationality matters; oh, I forgot, you are one, aren't you?
Instead of spending time spouting crap on here, why not go out and get a job like most other immigrants do?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 01:00 PM

"as I have little interest in one wealthy world eleven playing against another." (me)..."And yet you continue to obsess over it. Wavy - wind in your fecking neck & check out The Northern League and start enjoying life for what it is instead of mithering on about how you want it to be." (IB - no need for IBy!)...If you disagree with say New Labour on something, e.g., you do do something!, here on Mudcat, e.g.; and so, too, many other posts are in disagreement with some matter.

"Along came a little Argentine wizard around the early 1970s, a footballer supreme, Ossie Ardiles, he made a complete mockery of all of those forecasts, he is still revered to this day by the Spurs fans and of course he was followed by others from sunny Spain and Italy, and great players from Holland, they all certainly brightened up the English game and are still doing so.
I enjoy`skillful football, long may the foreign footballers continue to to brighten up a long cold winter." (Ard)...I too remember that, despite Tim's remarks, and his fellow countryman, Ricky Villa - two of only a few foreign players at that time. And I agree that the quality now is high - but before we had quality AND the meaning that comes with mostly locals playing mostly locals (and, in those days Tim, I was a keen follower, whilst playing juniors in Aus., of English football.)

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 03:47 PM

WAV says 'I have little interest in one wealthy world eleven playing against another.'
Fine; if you have no interest, don't watch. The problem with you, WAV, is you believe all your preferences and obsessions are the one true path for the rest of us, and that we should immediately do as you say. That, my strange little friend, is not a rational view of the world.
ard mhacha; hear, hear; and don't forget Ricky Villa, as well!
WAV; you won't understand this, as you weren't here in the 70s as you were busy being Australian at the time. Incidentally, it's a myth that all foreign footballers earn huge amounts of money; there are lots of them playing in the lower leagues, including at the club I have supported for nearly 50 years. They earn a living, but not huge sums. Earn a living...there's something you could try, WAV, before you start telling us working stiffs how to live our lives!
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: ard mhacha
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 03:33 PM

Well lads to add further fuel to this Thread I can well remember when I was in England from 1957 until 1968, I was told on numerous occasions that foreign footballers would last no time in English football.
I was informed that they would not be able to stand up to the rough and tumble of the English game that the heavy grounds would find them out, the just "wouldn`t like it up them".

Along came a little Argentine wizard around the early 1970s, a footballer supreme, Ossie Ardiles, he made a complete mockery of all of those forecasts, he is still revered to this day by the Spurs fans and of course he was followed by others from sunny Spain and Italy, and great players from Holland, they all certainly brightened up the English game and are still doing so.

I enjoy`skillful football, long may the foreign footballers continue to to brighten up a long cold winter.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 02:13 PM

Alright; a proposal by the FIFA council. Now, dipstick; your point is? You're still an ignoramus when it comes to football. It's part of my culture, but clearly not part of yours.
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Insane Beard
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 01:44 PM

as I have little interest in one wealthy world eleven playing against another.

And yet you continue to obsess over it. Wavy - wind in your fecking neck & check out The Northern League and start enjoying life for what it is instead of mithering on about how you want it to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 12:14 PM

I typed "proposal", above, not "full decision", Tim; but I certainly do hope it goes that way, as I have little interest in one wealthy world eleven playing against another.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 07:43 AM

No, not in other words, you dipstick. The levels of authority between a full decision of the FIFA council and a casual and possibly malicious remark from a known agitator like Blatter differ so widely as to be alsmost unrelated. Once again; your alleged academic background is letting you down; you should really be able to distinguish between different sources of information in terms of reliability and validity. We seem to have discovered yet another of your areas of monumental ignorance, this time football.
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 07:28 AM

"You really don't understand much about football, do you WAV? FIFA as a body have proposed nothing of the sort you suggest; perhaps you should read the article you cite more carefully and critically. Sepp Blatter, the President of FIFA has suggested a form of quota, but in order for this to come into effect it would have to be voted for and passed the the FIFA council, made up of representatives from all over the world. Can you suggest why, for example, the many African, Eastern European and South/Central American countries who make up the majority of council seats would vote for a proposal that denies their poorly paid players full access to the most lucrative league in world football? Blatter is well known for mischievously floating this kind of idea, usually for his own political ends. (Such ends currently involve trying to bring the powerful clubs of Europe to heel under the FIFA banner). He has no authority to change anything without the approval of the FIFA council; and in the old phrase, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. Any such rule change would also have to be endorsed by UEFA for European competitions, and they can't because of EU law on mobility of labour and restraint of trade. (See above)Please try to confine your inane spoutings to things you know something about. Aussie Rules, perhaps?" (Tim)...in other words, I typed FIFA instead of Sepp Blatter. And what if more-and-more fans turn against free-market-football, are you sure things can't change?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:20 PM

Why Tim, don't you know he's a born expert? I mean he keeps boasting that he was born on the day Ramsey did some damn thing which I think he sees as being born with a golden turd up his ass or something.

Remember too that Sir Alf Ramsey had his hat blown by Wavy's Mommy on tha day as well.........

Spaw