BS: Ghost Shows

Subject: BS: Ghost Shows
From: irishenglish
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 02:48 PM

Ok, whether you believe in ghosts or not, what does everyone think of all the ghost shows, like Ghost Hunters out there now? My wife and I were watching the International Ghost Hunters show (which had a bunch of Americans) wandering around a castle somewhere in Europe-Slovakia, Romania, I forget. So they have their little gadgets and gizmos out there and are asking the "entity" questions. "Make a sound if you are here" sort of things. At one point I turned to my wife and said, I guess 16th century Slovakian ghosts all speak English then? She paused and said, that's a good question. Now, my wife feels she has seen ghosts, to this point I have not had any kind of encounter. I know there are many who do believe. But what do you think of these shows? The technology that they use, etc?

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Alice
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 02:55 PM

I love to watch Ghost Hunters and Paranormal State. Not because I believe, but because I find them entertaining. It's especially funny when the TAPS guys pull out their RotoRooter equipment to look in tight spaces and the dude who hates spiders has to go in a basement or attic.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: irishenglish
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 03:06 PM

I just love how every show, they keep going blah blah blah.....oh bleep....what was that. Shut the hell up, stop talking and maybe you would see it!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 03:09 PM

I don't watch very often, but when I do, I too wonder about the language and also I hate that they are so rude to the ghosts! I mean, you just don't address a lady of the 18/19th centuries with a demand to make some noise! I really think they'd have more success if they were to remember their manners. I never hear them say "please."

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: irishenglish
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 03:14 PM

Also, the thermal imaging I can understand, but I want to know how much science is in their other gadgets. Its obviously what people want to watch, but if they REALLY wanted to find out what was going on in a spot, they would have to set up a control, and be there for at least a number of days, not just a few hours one night. UGH, sorry, I don't mean to vent, but I watch these shows and dissect them every time with my wife because I don't claim to know, but I find it hard to turn away!

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Den
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 03:14 PM

My wife and kids and I were in our kitchen on Sunday having lunch when suddenly the stereo came on in the livingroom. I kid you not, there was noone else in the house and the stereo is not on any kind of timer. We have two dogs and a cat but none of them were in the livingroom close to the stereo at the time, that being our only other explaination. This really happened and I can't explain it.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: olddude
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 03:43 PM

I like the show, I get a kick out of it. Does anyone wanna talk to us ... ARRR Shsssssss reeeeek Shssssss ... I think he just said I would like a glass of water sir

it is a fun show.   When they travled abroad, did you ever wonder why you would ask a ghost to talk only in English .

They have caught some cool stuff like a flying chair and such. Fun show. I also like monster quest

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:03 PM

I particularly loved the dinosaur toy that went off on command and made as many noises as they asked. Interesting that Jason threw it out as evidence.

I love the show and live for Wednesday night TV. I find the International show humorless and boring. My big WHY??? is why do they turn the lights out and stumble around in the dark. Some lady tells them that visitors to such and such a museum regularly see a Victorian lady walk by in broad daylight so let's turn the lights out and look for her. Huh?

EVPs crack me up - all this satic, incomprehensible garble that sounds like bad pipes, and more static. "It is responding to our questions!!!"

Now I will admit that some of the EVps are clear and very strange but they could be coincidence and they could be something other than ghostly voices.

Another why - if a home has a residual haunting that repeats over and over, why not set up a camera for a week or a month and recharge the batteries as needed? One night is not going to guarantee a sighting - in fact it usually doesn't.

If youi watch the show enough, it appears that ghost hunting is actually pretty tedious work with the occasional reward of a smack in the face or a burned back from a cooperating spirit.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:04 PM

Worse yet, no one ever gets "slimed".

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: irishenglish
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:09 PM

NOW that's what its missing! I also love how they need to rattle off the machinery show after show-"an EVP stands for........."

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: irishenglish
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:11 PM

Actually there was a show a year or two ago that purposely debunked ghost sightings, trying instead to logically provide solutions for strange things. I wonder what happened to it?

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Becca72
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:22 PM

I faithfully watch Ghost Hunters and Ghost Hunters International (though I really only like the Irish guy). They often times get EVP responses in the native tongue of where ever they are...apparently the language barrier is not an issue for ghosts.
I've witnessed a bunch of stuff first hand, so I am a believer. I love that the GH guys set out to disprove the information they're given rather than the other way around.

They repeat themselves at every show for the people who are not regular viewers. I think this is helpful. Just because I know what they're talking about doesn't mean every person viewing that night does.

Sins, Jason and Grant tell people all the time to set up their own equipment to catch the ghosts...but they wouldn't get on TV without the GH visit first :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:26 PM

If I set up cameras and EVP detectors in my house, it will be to find out which cat is peeing in the bathtub.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: irishenglish
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:30 PM

Or if the refrigerator light really goes out when you close the door!

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Becca72
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:39 PM

It's Alice. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:39 PM

I have an anomaly going on at the moment. Anyone got any answers?

I moved into this four-story apartment building (42 apartments) on the first of May. By Juneau standards, it is old- from before 1900. In its first incarnation it was a hotel and it remained so until less than 30 years ago when a new owner remodeled it into apartments.

There is an elevator in this building and my little dog and I frequently take it rather than the stairs. I live on the third floor and I get in a hurry.

So. Not nearly always but often when I turn the last corner before the elevator I hear it stir into action; it comes up, stops on my floor and the door opens. It is always empty.

It also happens for me on the first floor- I come around the corner and the door will open in front of me. It happened when a friend was with me and she said, Wow, that's convenient.

That was the first I told anyone about it. I asked both her and her husband, an engineer, whether there is an 'eye' that would do that, and they said it is highly unlikely, given the age of the building and the complications it would entail.

By the way, a young couple on the second floor say they have a ghost in their apartment. I have seen, heard and felt, nothing.

Any answers?

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:42 PM

We did that to catch whichever cat was peeing on the kitchen counter one time, Sins! We were really upset and tired of it happening, so Rog brought home a studio camera from the station one night, set it up on a tripod, and let 'er roll. Next morning the tape showed all of the cats getting up there, but only one squatting down for a pee! As it turned out, he wasn't really the problem; the problem was the bully-cat, Trystan! Their eyes looked ghostly.:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: olddude
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:44 PM

My office where I work alone is a big old Victorian style house. It is listed on the state and national registry of historic homes. Was on the underground Railroad.

I have worked many nights when doors opened by themselves, hear footsteps, I smell apple pie baking, heard voices. Nothing ever bothered or scared me. Just the opposite actually, I wish I could have a piece of the baking apple pie. Twice I saw the figure of some lady who looked like a maid. Only wish she would clean for me ...

It is actually fun. Once when I was out of town a neighbor took care of my cats and came over at night. I have two office cats. When she came into the door she stepped on one by accident. The cat screamed. She said she saw this stern looking lady float down the steps. She ran out and said she would never watch them again. Many time I have seen my cats look like someone was petting them or holding them.

I think it is fun. Not saying I believe in any of it and like I said I never had any problem with it

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Sep 08 - 04:58 PM

Can't stand 'Ghosthunters'.
I used to like the Sci-Fi channel before it became the schlock horror channel, and Ghosthunters is to science or science fiction or even horror what professional wrestling is to sports. Just my grumpy opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 03:33 AM

Ebbie - you just have a 'good elevator aura'... I personally have a 'bad elevator aura' ... whenever I step up to a lift lobby, the damn thing is always just closing or is 30 floors away.

I have a 'bad machine aura' too. If a machine is prone to breaking down, it will do so when I am working it, looking it, walking past it or just in the same room.

However, I do have a 'good tube train door aura'... I can usually judge where to stand so that the train pulls up and I'm right by the door. Where I get trampled in the rush of people getting out.

We had a Ghost hunter type show in the UK, which they later admitted was 98% fake and 2% BS.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 04:34 AM

When Most Haunted started in the UK it was beautifully promoted as Psychic TV - I even passed the TV guide cover on to Genesis P. Orridge via a mate who was his label boss at the time. Scouse medium Derek Acorah was a hoot, and even went on to do his own show, but we gave up on Sky TV a year ago in favour of Freeview, so I'm not sure what's on these days. Last I heard Most Haunted was still going, with Yvette Fielding screaming around the place and banging on about orbs, and whilst I found it entertaining at first, especially on dark stormy winter nights by a blazing fire, I soon got bored with, what is, quite a tired format. From the above posts it sounds like the other shows follow this too. Most Haunted was always interesting for the locations, and some of the background history & folklore from the people who lived & worked in those places - and always nice to see behind the scenes in the Blackpool Pleasure Beach, or Soutar Lighthouse.

Back in May I started up a Folkloe: Ghosts thread on the premise "...ever watched Most Haunted or any of the such-like programmes that litter the sky-channels these days? I used to believe in the supernatural until I started watching those... That said, from where comes our ability to fear such things if they don't exist?"

May was hardly the time for Ghosts of course, but here in rain-lashed September with nights drawing in... Oo-er - time, I think, to dig out my tapes of Michael Hordern reading selected tales of M R James!

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 05:27 AM

Now, i know one shouldn't take these things too seriously, but I got really cross with Most Haunted a couple of years ago.

They did a Halloween show about the Pendle witches. My ex-husband had done an article on them a few years back, and I'd done most of the research. We went to Pendle, did the Witches' Trail to Lancaster, and spoke to the local experts on the story.

As you would expect, these women were mostly poor and ignorant, grinding out a living in a harsh environment, and when things started going wrong for the local well-to-do families, guess who got blamed? Yes, they were dabbling in "magic". Yes, there were some clear mental instabilities which didn't fare well under the scrutiny of lawyers and judges. The testimony of a young child was used to condemn various members of her family.

It's a very sad story, which reveals more about the lives of poor people in the north of England in the 17th century than it does about "witchcraft" or "evil".

Most Haunted employed the awful Derek Acorah to do a "psychic investigation" of the places associated with the Witches. All he could talk about was their evil, and their malevolence, as he twisted the facts of the story to deliver the sinister and spooky goods. His big clanger was in the pronunciation of one of the surnames: theoretically, he doesn't read about the cases first and knows nothing about them, but he was nevertheless getting messages from a "Jennet Device", which he pronounced as it is spelled. however, if you talk to the Pendle experts they'll tell you that "Device" was an alternative local spelling for "Davis". So, if he was receiving aural messages from the spirit world, why did he pronounce the name as it's written, rather than how it's pronounced?

It made me really cross, because the story of the Pendle women deserves sympathy and understanding in the 21st century - not exploitation. There are now loads of people who will have watched that programme, who will think that the Most Haunted version of their story, and of the people they were, is the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 09:25 AM

Yes - Most Haunted is on here and it is laughable. There is ALWAYS a ghost. And someone is ALWAYS falling into a trance and channeling something. Looks like great fun.

Ebbie,
If your little dog is not reacting negatively to the elevator then I would put it down to good elevator Karma or a friendly ghost, whatever that is.
mary

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 10:48 AM

LtS, 'good elevator aura'? I like the sound of that!

Sins, you're right - my Cairn likes the elevator. The first two times she had ever been on one I had to put a lead on her but since then she dashes for it. Sometimes she stands at the door as we move and cocks her head as she watches the lights between the floors glimmer and flash. She is totally comfortable in it.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Amos
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 11:16 AM

All ghosts speak through intention, which is meta-semantic. The English is a mere show cover for the actual telepathic exchange which occurs (when it does; otherwise does not).


A

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 11:19 AM

Having never heard a ghost speak, I find it hard to comment, Amos. Is this from personal experience, research????

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 12:26 PM

I once worked in a retirement home, Sinsull, where I repeatedly heard my name being called from an empty room. When I finally told the administrator about it, she said that two other workers had in the past reported the same phenomenon. Neither of them worked there anymore.

The voice was neither clearly male or female but if I had to label it, I'd call it female. It wasn't particularly low - nor shrill - but it was clear and definitely came from that room, which was currently being used as a storage room.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 12:32 PM

I've had experiences which make me believe; nothing to be frightened of though. I didn't need any equipment :-)

As for language - well, I've read and re-read the post from Amos! I imagine initially a ghost would respond to sound (not language) and presence. Perhaps they use interpreters.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 01:11 PM

Ebbie,
I am not doubting that they speak. Amos' statement that "ALL ghosts..." prompted my question.
Residual hauntings, for example, (and according to the theories I have read) have no relation to to the present and no intent.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 01:53 PM

I agree. I believe that the term 'ghost' is simplistic in the first place. In my opinion, we are referring to a variety of 'entities' and situations. We simply don't have enough knowledge to understand the divisions.

I have 'seen' entities - sometimes with my physical eyes- that most definitely were responding to stimulus. Others, I think, are, as they say, imprinted in a space and place that have nothing whatever to do with us today.

I have 'heard' voices that were physical and I have heard voices at other times that were only intuited. The most clearly intuited one I have had let me know that this person had died.

I am aware, of course, that there is a whole body of work - and an even larger one of people - who consider the subject hogwash and have little patience with people who disagree with them. That doesn't worry me.

Have a happy day! *g*

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: lady penelope
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 03:00 PM

I watched half of one 'Most Haunted' and was banned from the telly till I calmed down. What a bunch of absolute horse shit...no... I take that back, horse shit is useful....

It was the worst sort of parlour trick hokum. I couldn't believe it was even vaguely put forward as a serious programme. Honestly, there was no difference between that pile of... and half a dozen teenage girls telling ghost stories when the lights go out...

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Bee
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 03:33 PM

I admit the few times I've watched any of these shows, they've either bored me or annoyed me. The one that includes a bunch of people clomping about in the dark with flashlights and occasionally shrieking is just boring. The annoying ones include some uninformed arse (male ot female) pontificating about the 'spirits' or 'chanelling' as if s/he in fact knew what s/he was talking about.

Fact is, I love a good ghost story, but these shows almost never tell a good ghost story. I'm perfectly willing to suspend my disbelief and heartily go along with a good ghost story, even if I know it's utter BS.

Atlantic Canada has wonderful ghost stories; every family has a few, they get passed down like heirlooms, and there are plenty that belong to the whole community. We have a nice simple one about the church I attended that never failed to raise goosebumps for me, as follows:

In the 1950s, two fellows went up to do some maintenance at the church the day before a funeral. The church is a tiny one, with no electricity, and where it stands was a pretty lonely spot back then. As it got dark, the two men got ready to leave, when they noticed a light down the road a ways. As they watched, the light moved up the road, past the church driveway, up a lane a bit past the church, then turned around, came back to the church driveway entrance, turned in, and winked out.

More than a little spooked, the two men went home and told various people their experience. Finally, an older man told them that in the old days, the hearse was horsedrawn affair. The angle of the church driveway and the narrowness of the road was such that the hearse couldn't make the turn in, but had to proceed to the lane past the church, get the conveyance and horses turned, then come back down to turn into the church and graveyard. Which pattern was exactly described by the light the men had observed.

Now that's a proper ghost story, IMNSHO!

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Anne Lister
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 04:13 PM

My husband works in a building which is supposed to be one of the most haunted in Wales (if not the UK) and he takes people on ghost tours. They have, of course, had visits from "Most Haunted" as well as many other supposed psychics and mediums (media?). My husband says that Derek Acorah absorbed very rapidly all the content of the exhibition at the house and then regurgitated it for the programme, often with anachronistic results because he had confused the various owners of the house. The various psychics have been a source of much amusement as they often attempt to locate a ghost in a historic event which actually didn't happen (the history of the house is known as it was inhabited until fairly recently by the family of the caretaker).
Having said all of this, I'm quite prepared to accept that the house is haunted as I've had some odd moments when going around with the groups. My husband, on the other hand, is just impatient about the whole thing. But then it would be hard to lead ghost tours if you really, really believed in them, I think.

Anne

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Alice
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 05:55 PM

Bee, that was a good story ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Bee
Date: 05 Sep 08 - 06:43 PM

Thanks, Alice. ;-D

Here's another that would go well as a television vignette, I think.

The people here mostly came from Scotland, and mostly from places like Barra and Skye and Benbecula. The old folks believed very much in forerunners, which most often foretold a death. There were many different kinds. Some were knocking sounds, thought to represent the hammering of nails in a coffin. Some were ordinary signs, like a bird flying into the house, or a diamond-shaped crease in a tablecloth, or a dream of a red-headed man. Then there were the ones like this:

A young fellow who lived near Washabuckt in Cape Breton in the 1800s was walking home from a friend's late in the evening. It was very dark on the road, no lights, of course, and no moon. After a while the fellow thought he heard footsteps ahead of him, and he hurried to catch up, as someone to walk with would make the trip go faster. But hurry as he might, he couldn't quite catch up, and though he called out, no one answered.

He became a little angry, because it was very rude of the man not to wait up, and he could now just see that there was a figure of a person ahead of him. At last, as he neared home, the figure stopped, and when it did, the young man quickly caught up and saying angrily, "Why would you not speak to me?", he placed a hand on the figure's shoulder. At that, the figure turned around, and to the young man's horror, he saw in the dim light his own face as if in a mirror, but thin and white and hollow-eyed.

The terrified young man ran as fast as he could to his own house, and told his family what he saw. Soon after, he became ill with consumption (TB) and soon, thin and hollow-eyed from that wasting disease, he died.

And that was the kind of forerunner called a doppelganger.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: topical tom
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 01:23 PM

We live in an old brick house built in 1900 or even a little earlier.Years ago, my son-in-law and I were sitting in the living room.It was evening .Suddenly, we heard the sound of a window shutting upstairs in a bedroom."What the hell was that?" my son-in-law asked."Oh, I guess the window stick fell and the window slammed shut," I answered without much conviction.I was quite sure that the window had already been closed.Then we heard the sound of the door slamming to.My son-in-law's reaction was "Let's get the hell out of here!"Upon going upstairs I found the window open and the door as well.There was no wind that night.
On another occasion, I thought I heard my son call "Hi, Dad!" at the front door.I called to my wife, "Bob's here!" and went to the door.No one was there, as I had expected, since Bob lived 600 miles away.I am not saying "I believe" but my mind remains open on this subject.Unexplained phenomena DO occur.Various objects have mysteriously fallen over as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Becca72
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 01:50 PM

I spent the night at my cousin's house a handful of years ago. I have no idea when the house was built but I'd say around 1900 or so. Her then 7 year old son had been complaining for awhile that the "the cat" stole his covers at night. I stayed in his room as he was with his father. I woke up several times to someone jumping on the bed...I was, of course, alone in the room. On the third or fourth time I said loudly 'Stop it, I've had enough' and it didn't happen again the rest of the night.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: GUEST,Jayto
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 02:31 PM

I love all the ghost shows. I watch them pretty often. Chances are if I am watching TV it is something about ghosts or the supernatural. I remember the only time you used to be able to catch shows like that on was around Halloween. I am glad they are on regularly now.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Bee
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 03:31 PM

Spooky, Becca, and interesting, Top. Tom.

There's something I still wonder about, and that is people's very individual reactions to such out of the ordinary experiences. If invisible things were jumping on my bed, I think I'd be a nervous wreck, as opposed to just telling the things to back off!

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: JennieG
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 09:20 PM

"There are more things in heaven and earth that are dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio"......

I may have the quote from Hamlet wrong, but you get the gist - and that is what I hold to.

Cheers
JennieG

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Sep 08 - 11:08 PM

There's nothing evil about witches. My greatgrandmother was a witch, she was the village witch. Folks brought their babies to her & she'd remove a wicked eye that was cast on them. My mother some would claim as a witch, I think it must skip generations, my grandmotehr wouldn't say squat about her mother's abilities & I don't think much of my mother's either but then there are those that do. I haven't run into ghosts but my sister has. She was moving into an apartment, it was to be her 1st. She called my mother in a panic & asked her to check out the place 1st. My sister said there's a dead person in there. So when my mother got there she said someone was killed inside. When they questioned the janitor he told them that there was a recent murder commited in the apartment. My sister found a different place. My mother's always running into things like that, so much that I can't keep track of them & I just don't give them much thought anymore. But if I encounter something very strange, I do give her a call (usually I find that she's just around the corner).

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 01:10 AM

Great stories, folks! Love reading them! I think I've already posted about my various ghostly encounters. (broken link removed, see next posting after Ebbie's) I cannot find the one that is published. I thought I'd posted it here, already? Will look some more.

Insane Beard....M.R. James in my FAV, has been since I was a kid, shivering under the covers as I read him!

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 10:09 AM

kat, your link went awry - to a chat room access complaint. (somebody's watching! lol)

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 11:23 AM

Thanks, Ebbie! Here's what I'd posted:

I had one living in my house in CT; quite benign, kind of sad. Always unlatched the attic door and let the cats up there to play. Also, one night it took the birdcage covers off, unlocked the front door and turned on all of the lights. One night it came down the front stairs and said my soon-to-be-son-in-law's name. He ran up the backstairs, he was so startled.

In another house in Northampton, MA, a lady in Victorian clothing came in to our bedroom one night and sat in my rocking chair. I had a hard time convincing her to leave as I knew Rog would be coming in from his bath, in the nude, soon, and that she would be shocked. As the house was very old and had been a schoolhouse, I've always wondered if she was an oldtime school teacher.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Becca72
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 06:18 AM

Bee, I didn't really know what else to do! :-) I got the impression that it was a child's presence and I think that's what made me so bold.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Bee
Date: 08 Sep 08 - 09:01 AM

Kat, maybe that's why she was there. The Victorians, for the most part, were far naughtier than most of us suppose, and it may have been a very long time since she'd had the pleasure of viewing a fine figure of a man. :-O

Becca, ghosty things jumpin' on the bed, regardless of their maturity, would still un-nerve me greatly, I suspect. But there are thousands of stories of people reacting as you and katlaughing describe, as if the actual presence of some ghosts carries a calming influence.

I've sometimes thought, since there are so many ghost stories, that besides our own ever-wonky neurology, that there might be non-spiritous explanations for some of them. The many ghosts that seem to be re-enactors, for instance, repeating endlessly scenes that occurred in the past, and are reportedly unaware of modern spectators - perhaps they are 'recorded' somehow by the peculiarities of the local environment. Certianly some such ghosts seem to vanish forever if the building they 'inhabit' is destroyed.

Ghosts that interact with the living to the extent of calling them by name and having conversations, however, are pretty well inexplicable in my current philosophy.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: GUEST,Thozmaniac
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 01:29 AM

I've proven to myself a thousand times that ghosts don't exist, but never once that they do. Case closed. Ghost's aren't real.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 01:40 AM

Ah but Maniac, you need to find just ONCE that they exist. So keep looking. :)

One of my brothers told me once that he doesn't understand why he used to be so sure that he was right that things don't go bump in the night.

The day came when he knew better.

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 02:11 AM

I think different people experience disembodied spirits in different ways, anyway. I don't see or hear them (I don't want to see or hear them). But I am very aware of their presence. Seeing or hearing them would disturb me a lot (or feeling them jump on the bed, for that matter), but the way I am aware of them doesn't bother me at all. For me it's more of an inner sensing in that I can feel their energy, and communicate with it.

What I don't understand is, why, when people encounter such spirits, they don't try to help them move on. Moving on is what they need to do. They don't really want to be stuck here forever. It's very rewarding to help someone who is stuck to move on, and it's better for everyone if they do, unless they're where they are because they have some particular work to do in that location (I have encountered some for whom that was the case).

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 12:11 AM

A Mudcat Book of Ghost stories??...

Just a thought.

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 02:37 AM

Got any stories, Seamus?

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:19 PM

Seen this?

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:39 PM

EJ, that video seems to have no sound to it. I went to YouTube also and it is silent there too.

Anyone able to hear it?

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Becca72
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:46 PM

Looks like a bit of dust moving past the security camera to me

Subject: RE: BS: Ghost Shows
From: Alice
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:56 PM

As any seasoned Ghost Hunter knows, "orbs" are just dust floating in front of the lens. Just ask the TAPS guys. Pfft, orbs, pffft.