What does Sarah Palin remind you of?

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 03:08 PM

Heh! This thread is a perfect example of what politics does to ordinary human beings. It's the Great Divider. It might even be termed the Great Destroyer.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer, etc.)
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 03:05 PM

"Sarah is a perfect Christian lady. Her values and morals are a breath of fresh air in today's sodden society."

God forbid that people should assume that Sarah Palin's beliefs are representative of what all Christians believe. She most certainly does not reflect the beliefs of all Christians, only those in her particular somewhat off-the-wall fundamentalist sect (Assembly of God--Pentacostal, speaking in tongues, etc.). In fact, I know a number of good mainstream Christians (Episcopalian, Lutheran, Catholic, Methodist, Baptist), who are appalled by some of the things she says and the religious beliefs she has expressed.

And "a perfect Christian lady?" I think not. It has been solidly established that she has used her position as mayor of Wasilla and governor of Alaska to carry out a number of personal vendettas. And this is not information from blogs. It comes from several former associates, and she is, indeed, under investigation because of it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Razr
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 02:39 PM

Above, are you on a substance ? Nothing you said there makes sense.

Have you been playing "White Rabbit" again ?

Again I ask can we stop posting tripe and insults. American WILL NOT be embracing the Democrat fairytale pie in the sky crap accompanied by Stevie Wonder songs. Sarah is a perfect Christian lady. Her values and morals are a breath of fresh air in today's sodden society.

I happen to think she is very attractive and I would love to slip her one.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 01:04 PM

well can you blame them trying to hurt her - she's weird. seriously weird.

a post sexual male's wet dream.

that's why Tootsie works as a piece of theatre. Everybody in the audience is going, why can't the people see that she is not what she claims to be? When is dustin Hoffman going to come unstuck? How CAN that man think of wanting to marry her?

I think the journalists are just doing their job before America waltzes up the aisle with 'god alone knows what, but certainly something that is not what the label on the box says it is.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:46 PM

btw I think you will find, if you look back over the threads, that I was equally condemnatory of the despicable attempts to align Barack Obama with 'Muslim terrorism' etc.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: pdq
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:31 PM

Yes, Emma B, that is not just one person's opinion. Most Americans are revolted by the neo-psychotic reaction to this reasonably normal lady, and will not vote for those who started it.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:22 PM

No I would never vote for Sarah Palin as I never voted for Margaret Thatcher - both their views are anathema to me, although for different reasons.

By the same token I never voted either for the plausible orator Tony Blair who campaigned on vague slogans and pop songs like 'Things can only get better' and then sold out the values and hopes of the party members who had thrown all their support behind him.

What I dislike intensely Kat are the sort of demeaning, sexist personal insults that this politician,(whatever you think of her views) has been subjected to on this forum not to mention the constant repetition of debunked viral emails etc.

It's my belief that they give a very unwholesome impression of her detractors (and yes, someone did unapologetically dismiss her as the 'RNC's token c**t here!) and ultimately of the campaign they support.
I anticipate these tactics will backfire as other peple, not so blindly partisan, will share the same revulsion as me.

rasmussenreports.com

'Over half of U.S. voters (51%) think reporters are trying to hurt Sarah Palin with their news coverage, and 24% say those stories make them more likely to vote for Republican presidential candidate John McCain in November'

not just my opinion.......

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 11:52 AM

One would think you would vote for her if you lived over here, Emma.

From the Alamagordo opinion piece: Her appeal is universal... maybe in the writer's neighbourhood, but certainly not across the nation.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:53 AM

quoted from a comment to the Sunday Times

'Palin is just to good for them she has a vision of what she wants. She says what she means, she is in the Thatcher mould.
I wish we had someone like her in Britain.'

As was pointed out by one member who requested the closure of the recent critical thread

'many people **chose** to live by her values'

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: pdq
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:31 AM

Before Bill Clinton, no presidential candidate arrived at his "core beliefs" by reading the polls and adjusting his opinions to match.

Since 1992, this has become standard practice. The death of American statesmanship occurred when then the public accepetd Bill Clinton's style of non-leadership as being normal.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:18 AM

Interesting comment on that Sunday Times link:

"Palin is just to good for them she has a vision of what she wants. She says what she means, she is in the Thatcher mould.
I wish we had someone like her in Britain.

Johnny Norfolk, Mileham Norfolk, England"

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 09:37 AM

and from Alamogordo, NM

- 'Mount St. Helens in heels' :)

Alamogordo Daily News 09/14/2008

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 09:28 AM

"Obama admitted to sending his kids to the University of Chicago Lab private school, but the reason he gave (and a resonable one at that) was that the faculty members such as himself were not charged tuition."


                     And all I'm saying is, when the audit his taxes, the ought to make sure that he's paying income taxes on this perk.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 08:11 AM

According to today's Times on line -

'Xena, the warrior princess' :)

full article - The Sunday TimesSeptember 14, 2008

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 07:21 AM

Yo, Razr,

Your comments remind me of a Woody Allen line that goes domething like this: "Don't go to Sam's Grill... The food is terrible and the portions are small"...

I mean, here you are reading this stuff when you could be doing anything else??? Unless, of course, someone is there holding a gun to yer head making you not only read this stuff but to post to it???

B~

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:58 AM

The thread wasn't initiated for people who are so dumb they believe in our political figureheads. It presupposes a certain level of sophistication and intelligence.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Razr
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 04:42 AM

Dear Forum Moderator

Read all the above posts and tell me what it has achieved besides silly childlike insults about McCain & Palin.

I repeat I am sick,sore and tired reading tripe. So am I not allowed to visit the thread, not post and just read it ? must I post each time I visit ?

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 03:41 AM

Gee, Razr, for somebody who's posted here only twice, you sure get sick and tired quickly. One might think you're trying to pick a fight.

Can't say I agree with you about George Bush, but I have to agree that there IS a lot of "utter tripe vomited up here about the combination of McCain & Palin" - almost as much tripe as the talk shows vomit up about Obama. I think it's high time for an intelligent, logical, factual, unbiased discussion, don't you?

Do remember that you are a guest here, and are expected to conduct yourself in a noncombative manner.

-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Razr
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 03:22 AM

I am sick sore and tired of listening to such utter tripe vomited up here about the combination of McCain & Palin. They are two hard working patriotic Americans who will see us through the current economic downturn and bring peace to the middle east.

George Bush was one of our finest presidents and a little more honor and respect would not go amiss here.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:26 AM

Rigin ... If any of you guys were watching the Democratic primary debates ... on one of the debates the candidates where aseked who sent their kids to public schools ... Obama admitted to sending his kids to the University of Chicago Lab private school, but the reason he gave (and a resonable one at that) was that the faculty members such as himself were not charged tuition.

All the mainstream candidates at that debate did not send their kids to public schools.

biLL

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:19 AM

RiginSimpson, zeroes ain't nothin' anyway, right? *g*

(I must question your math, though, in saying that the two children's tuition taken together is in the ballpark of $100,000. $40,000 leaves a little fundraising to go.)

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: heric
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 10:07 PM

she reminds me of W in some ways:

Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy. The governor and her top officials sometimes use personal e-mail accounts for state business; dozens of e-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that her staff members studied whether that could allow them to circumvent subpoenas seeking public records.

Rick Steiner, a University of Alaska professor, sought the e-mail messages of state scientists who had examined the effect of global warming on polar bears. (Ms. Palin said the scientists had found no ill effects, and she has sued the federal government to block the listing of the bears as endangered.) An administration official told Mr. Steiner that his request would cost $468,784 to process.

When Mr. Steiner finally obtained the e-mail messages — through a federal records request — he discovered that state scientists had in fact agreed that the bears were in danger, records show.

"Their secrecy is off the charts," Mr. Steiner said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?bl&ex=1221451200&en=46ea589c255511cb&ei=5087%0A

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:23 PM

"But you still have not come up with documentation for the $100,000 per year grade school."

                      Yes, Ebbie, I seem to have gotten myself into a bad spot here. Originally I mentioned that I saw Michelle Obama talking on television, making the statement that she paid $10,000.00 a month for child care--I took that to be a nannie service. But when I looked for it on the web, I couldn't find any reference. Then it occurred to me that it must have been private school she was talking about, and I found some things on that, so I made the correction. Then, somebody jumped in--it's in this thread someplace--with tuition fees, that if added together for both students, would come into the ballpark of the original quoted amount.
                      At that point, you challenged my resources, so I looked again, and found figures that were somewhat short of the original estimate, but in the same order of magnitude, so I posted that.
                      After all of that, I went into the office this morning and told a lady at work what had happened. Immediately, she said, "No, the $10,000.00 a month was for child care. I saw her say it."
                      At that point we both looked and neither one of us could find the quote. I don't know if we were sharing the same dream, or if it just didn't get picked up by anybody in the media, or...
                      Subsequently, I feel like one of those people who claim to have been abducted by a flying saucer. We both think we saw it and heard it, but we can't find it. So, like O. J. Simpson, I'll keep looking for the real killer.
                      As far as not mentioning McCain, his name never came up in the discussion. It's all right with me if you want to include him and/or Sarah Palin. It was just that they were never a part of the original equation, the way I understood it.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:16 PM

He's doing a mighty hard job, playing the system against the system's own corrupt nature, and I wish him complete success at it.


A

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:13 PM

The thing I like best about Obama, Bobert, is precisely what you have alluded to, his often stated desire to rise about divisiveness and to seek unity. It's very hard for someone to take that line and succeed with it in a system based on maintaining cutthroat divisions on every hand.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:55 PM

Well, yeah, LH...

But think about it this way... There is one guy who is running for president who, inspite of the McCain PR machine trying to make out as yet another politican running the same old campiagn, until very recently took 6 weeks of daily pounding in the spirit of actaully being a "uniter"... "Unity" is the same as no parties... Obama has done everything concievable to take US beyond party...

This scares that carp outta the $y$tem becasue if this could occur then everything thats works to keep the rich rich would have to be redrawn...

I read that some Obama supporters are wringing their hands becasue Obama just doesn't have this appitite to "fight back"... To those folks I would just say that that is a good thing... It speaks volumes about his core message... I hate it that the Dem movers 'n shakers have pushed so hard and now he is "fighting back"... In a way, my thinking is that it would be better to plant a seed than to win an election... Oh sure, both would be nice but...

I just hope that he sticks to defense and holds off those who would have him do things which don't present the American people with a template for the future in terms of parties, or lack thereof...

B~

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:43 PM

Well, yeah...maybe.

I always look at life on two levels, Bobert:

1. the ideal - what I wish for
2. the practical - what is actually possible right now

On the ideal level I am very pissed off at the Duopoly and the whole present ruling system in the USA, and I dream of a society where political parties have ceased to exist altogether, so that the public is not artificially divided into two (or more) lots of partisan arguers. I also dream of elections where all election funding to all candidates is equal and comes out of a public purse, and where the election campaign is relatively short (say 6 weeks).

On the practical level, right now in 2008 in the USA, I would vote for Obama.

That's the difference between ideal and practical.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:31 PM

I know that, LH...

Not too sure about a few of the other "classless and free" "Twiddle-dee-Twiddle-dum" peddlers who, unlike you, have not said that they would vote for Obama but just stay strapped like the horses in "Animal Farm" to the same old worn out story...

But I know your heart and I know that, like me, underneath it all you have hope... Not too sure about these others... Most sound as if they have just kicked life into neutal and thrown in the towell...

B~

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:21 PM

Well, I can't vote in your election, Bobert, but if I could, I'd vote for Obama. (regardless of my opinion about the Duopoly)

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 08:15 PM

Wake up??? How curious...

Yeah, the strongest PR that the Repubs have this year from keeping an exceptional man from ***perhaps*** being the Trojan Horse that is the only way that America can be saved from itself is to spread the "twiddle-dee-twiddlw-dum" story...

Excuse me, but I've heard it... Preached it for years... No matter how elequent it is laid out it is still the same old song... And this year the candidate who has most to gain from it is John McCain...

So, for you folks who want to rearrange the words but tell that same old story, just know that in doing so you, knowingly or unknowingly, are doing John McCain and his corporate sponsors work...

Tell ya' what... This "Twiddle-dee-Twiddle-dum" reminds me of every Southern Rock band playing "Free Bird"...

To me it ain't independent thought anymore... Not this time... Yeah, its been that way for the last 30 years but not this time...

But ya'll have fun rewriting it to sound more interesting... To me, it's a cop out so count me out this election... And this from a guy who last worked for Bobby Kennedy and the last Dem I voted for was Jimmy Carter...

But ya'll have fun and when in 10 years you look back at what could have been go check out yer weary faces in the mirror and think to yerselves, "Yeah, I really sounded cool back in '08.."

Know what I mean??? Probably not... All fucking peasants as far as I can see...

B~

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 07:57 PM

The Rantings of a P.T.A. Mom

From Riginslinger's link

'So it is with huge grief-filled disappointment that I discovered that the Obamas send their children to the University of Chicago Laboratory School (by 5th grade, tuition equals $20,286 a year).
The school's Web site quotes all that ridiculous John Dewey nonsense about developing character while, of course, isolating your children from the poor.
A pox on them and, while we're at it, a pox on John Dewey! I'm sick to death of those inspirational Dewey quotes littering the Web sites of $20,000-plus-a-year private schools, all those gentle duo-tone-photographed murmurings about "building critical thinking and fostering democratic citizenship" in their cherished students, living large on their $20,000-a-year island.
Meanwhile, Joseph Biden, the Amtrak senator, standing up boldly for the right to be a Roman Catholic, appears to have sent all three children to the lovely looking Archmere Academy in Delaware. Archmere's Web site notes some public school districts allow Archmere students to use public school buses. Well, isn't that great — your tax dollars at work in the great state of Delaware because with $18,000 a year in tuition, they can't afford their own buses.

Then again, a spot of happy news for the Democrats: not only did John McCain's four children attend elite private schools in Arizona, but collective donations to their children's private schools between 2001 and 2006, totaled $500,000'


'How does it happen that you neglect to mention McCain?'

D'oh?

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 07:41 PM

You choose to focus on the Obamas, Rig, but from your link the writer says that only Palin sends her children to public school. (She may not know that Wasilla is a small town that has several parochial (Christian) schools but is definitely limited educationally.)

How does it happen that you neglect to mention McCain? He not only sends his kids to private schools but supports those schools heavily. This, from a man feeding from the public trough. Using he money we pay him! gasp! What both you and the writer seem to overlook is that a private school not only costs a whole heck of a lot more but one still continue to pay toward public school for others.

So the writer's outrage at some private-school children being allowed to use the public school bus system is misplaced.

But you still have not come up with documentation for the $100,000 per year grade school. That would be MUCH more impressive, don't ya think?

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 04:43 PM

Little Hawk, I just re-read your post to a friend of mine(From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 01:38 PM) You are DEAD ON TARGET(to quote you, from another post of mine weeks ago!!!!..and the beat goes on....right here, in Mudville!

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Hollowfox
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 04:28 PM

My first impression was of an attack dog. Before she was put on the ticket I said that anything would be better in the White House than what we've got. Now, if (Heaven forfend) the Republicans win, I'll pray for McCain's health every day.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:49 PM

If you mean our present yearly calendar system, GfS...yeah...that is dated according to the life of Jesus. I guess the Romans made that decision after Constantine converted to Christianity, did they? And the Romans got to call the shots, and we're still going by their system. I would think that's how it happened.

I wonder what people were basing the calendar on prior to that? For instance, there was clearly a time when the year 53 B.C. wasn't called 53 B.C.   ;-) I wonder what it was called then?

People mostly get caught up in the illusion, as you say.

For instance, Kat is (I think) mistaking Riginslinger's dislike of Obama for "racism" when it's simply his dislike for Obama's whole candidacy, period, because he is convinced that Obama can't win the election and he thought that Hillary could win it. He was for Hillary, and he remains for Hillary. It's not unusual for people to maintain such loyalties. I was for Kucinich and/or Ron Paul, and I remain for Kucinich and/or Ron Paul (but they never had a chance against the Duopoly because they wouldn't be its compliant puppets).

Thus Riginslinger has been opposed to Obama from the start, not because Obama is Black, but because he honestly thinks that a Black man such as Obama simply can't win the election in the present context of America as America exists today...and he probably thinks that Obama lacks substance and experience.

But what if Obama AND McCain AND Palin AND Biden would all end up being compliant pawns of the same controlling forces anyway once they were elected?

Then what?

In Rome, the imperial order rules. The leaders' faces change. Some leaders are definitely worse than others, but the Empire rules until it falls.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:11 PM

Thank you Little Hawk, for both the 'flowers', and a great post, yourself!! You seem to be one of the very few that 'get it'. so many of the others(not all) are just so caught up in debating the 'illusion' and becoming the illusion, and casting stones,...well at every one, in every direction they can!....The real law is 'Do unto others, as you'd have them do unto you'--Jesus. Of course the idiots will minimumize him too...but forget we mark time from his birth......(some will agrue that too)...(the potatoE heads)

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 02:03 PM

"'But if you continue to assault me, I'll go back and find the source."   
"Please do. Consider yourself assaulted."



                   Here it is:


         New York Times piece for 9/13/08 entitled: "Rantings of a PTA Mom."
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/the-rantings-of-a-pta-mom/index.html?ref=opinion&8ty&emc=ty

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 01:38 PM

Hey, great post at 13 Sep 08 - 10:43 AM , GfS. You summed it up quite well. Divide and Conquer is the name of the game that the $ySStem plays so effectively on the American people to rule them. Divide them on the basis of...

race
gender
party affiliation
phony "liberal/conservative" dichotomy (which is mostly illusory)
sexual choices
abortion and birth control choices
religion and atheism
evolution and creationism
culture (Anglo/Black/Hispanic/Muslim/Christian)
age
financial status
dirty presidential campaign tactics and innuendo

Really, anything will do. The main thing is that the people be incited to fear one another and to divide up into mutually competitive groups constantly jockeying against each other and heightening each other's paranoia and fortress mentality. If this leads to some domestic violence, so much the better. That will allow a greater extension of police and military powers on the domestic front, and that suits the $ySStem to a "T".

What do you get? Illegal wars abroad. The gradual establishment of a police state at home (much aided by the bogus creation wrongfully called "Homeland Security").

There is going to be even more good business for mercenary soldiers in the future, I'm thinking, both at home and abroad. Outfits like Blackwater must view the situation with much optimism.

To me it very much resembles the rise of militaristic fascism in Italy and Germany in the 30's...only with this difference: the American version of fascism is built around a phony 2-party Duopoly rather than a single official party that dominates the scene.

That's clever. It creates the illusion of always providing a democratic "choice" to the mesmerized masses who are ruled by the Duopoly.

At the same time, the masses are kept sedated, distracted, and entertained by the most all-pervasive consumer marketing and advertising systems in the history of the world. You have to go somewhere where it isn't happening (or just not watch TV for a year or two) to realize just how insane it is. The public's behavioural physical and mental addictions are constantly fed on a daily basis by providing...

fast food plus total and absolute junk food
a flood of consumer products (made in China)
lots of easily available porno, plus soft sex messages in ads
sports events
an election frenzy that lasts almost forever
drugs, drugs, drugs...legal or illegal, who cares?
frequent celebrity scandals
dumb TV shows, the final limit of which is the "reality" TV show
dumb radio shows (chock to the brim with inane advertising)
dumb youth crazes, mostly marketed through MTV and other TV shows

And it all makes MONEY! (which is the central axle around which the entire damn wheel rotates)

Therefore it's unstoppable within its own closed loop of reality, because nothing else talks as loudly inside that loop as money does.

The only thing that can defeat this kind of $ySStem is its own corruption and irrationality eventually bringing it to destruction. That takes awhile. It took quite a while, for example, for Rome to fall...not so long for Mussolini or the Nazis.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: pdq
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 01:05 PM

"...that most politicians these are LAWYERS!!...of course they lie!"

Hard to argue the point, but please note who the lawyers are: Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Michael Dukakis, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Walter Mondale, Jerry Brown, Gary Hart, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, etc ad nauseum.

Dan Quayle was a lawyer, but I think you have to go clear back 31 years to find another Republican involved serious preidential politics: Gerald Ford and Richard Nixon both had law degrees. Ronald Reagan and Nelson Rockefeller both had degrees in Economics.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:57 PM

Correct you are, this time Rig!...Nobody cares though

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:22 PM

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and an extremist Muslim fundamentalist?

Says Juan Cole:..................lipstick.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:11 PM

Whatever you do, don't think about lipstick on a pig or a Pork Queen.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:01 PM

"But if you continue to assault me, I'll go back and find the source."

Please do. Consider yourself assaulted.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 11:54 AM

Last night I watched the rockumentary film "Gimme Shelter" on cable TV. When the Jefferson Airplane took the stage at Altamont, I was horrified at myself when I saw the young Gracie Slick and was reminded of Madame Pitbull.

Sorry, y'all!

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 11:45 AM

Well, Sanity, I agree with a number of your observations. There are no major differences between the canidates we are left with after the nominating process has concluded. Frankly, there wasn't all that much difference before the nominating process begain. So we are stuck trying to correct the course of the country by making very minor changes.

                   I think it helps to look at it this way: if a ship is sailing across the Pacific from, say, San Francisco and heading on a general course to Asia, and somebody sneaks on board and changes the rudder just one degree, the ship will end up in a very different place than if that person hadn't snuck on board to begin with.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 10:51 AM

The Iranians?(remember Iran-Contra?? read above!), and btw, the present, leader of ran,
Sorry for the typo, make that IRAN, not 'ran'

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 10:43 AM

Jeeezuz, Peezuz.....You all act you are shocked to imagine that your favorite, pet politician has been caught telling a 'lie'!!
what is so dumbfounding is you don't seem to realize, is, that most politicians these are LAWYERS!!...of course they lie! They are all liars that just chose politics!! The problem isn't even all of their views, (which seem to disappear after they are elected, btw)..the problem here, is the never ending corruption of the process, and the concealment of the string pullers, who, in a real world of integrity, would be brought to trial, for treason, among other things. While everybody is worried about Palin vs Obama, nobody is asking, or even talking about the deliberate efforts to dissolve and change our borders, uninspected trucks coming 'across' with God only knows what, inside, and the deliberate, calculated drive to wedge Americans against each other, leading to an attempt, to cause major civil uprisings, so your pals in government can 'step in', (read: move toward fulfilling their agenda) by force, here is what used to be America!
You think, (because you were supposed to, btw) that their is a big gap between the Bush's and the Clintons,..like there is a big difference between the Clintons and Obama!..Get fucking serious!!! The Clintons and Bush's go back, decades, as partners in crime, treason for one, and violation of American neutrality, and drugs and arms dealing, and other things, that actually made the news! And for all of you trigger happy arguers, all you have to do is look up Mena, Arkansas, when Bush 41, was VP, (and former head of the CIA, and Billy Boy Clinton was Governor of Arkansas). Even in this 'election' it has been brought out how between Bush and McCain, there is little difference, so I don't need to go on about that, (I hope), and its also been brought out, how very little difference there is between Obama, and Hillarity, WAKE UP!!!!!!! AND WHO IS IT THAT DOESN'T KNOW THIS STUFF??..The Russians? The Chinese??(to whom Clinton sold us out to, both in technology, and in trade, after grand pappa Bush opened up the way) The Iraqis??, The Iranians?(remember Iran-Contra?? read above!), and btw, the present, leader of ran, was one of the hostage taker organizers, back in the Carter years...You think these people, don't know us in a different light, than we think of ourselves??? We have been lied to for so long, we've just gotten used to it, and quite frankly, enjoy the entertainment of it....and why is it we are lied to??..because, it is the American people who these liars fear!!!!~ This has gotten so obvious, that we have become the laughing stock of the international community,who they also fear, because it is quite clear, that our power has been and still is, in the hands of some very corrupt and evil people....And the notion that this race isn't about race and gender, (now being used to divide us further), is just another example of exploiting shit that everyone is so damned 'political correct' to admit!! Oh yeah, the term 'politically correct' is another term from the Clinton term, that is just used to water down the truth, and to in effect police our very speach...which all of you musicians and writers should be outraged at...but you're not...you're too far duped!!!!!WAKE THE FUCK UP!

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:44 AM

"Education should be affordable & accessable to everyone, at all levels,..."


                      Yes, Barry, I would agree with that. The point I was trying to make was that the money was being spent on tuition and not a nannie. Everything went downhill from there.

                      It occurs to me, though, that if Obama is getting a $40,000.00 per year perk by getting "free" tuition, the McCain campaign might want to check it out and ensure that he's paying the appropriate income taxes on it.

                      The more puzzling thing is, how does any of this become racist?

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:27 AM

"200"

Barry

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 02:52 AM

Riginslinger
"by 5th grade, tuition equals $20,286 a year" That not a big deal


The going rate at the "for profit" day care center where my wife works is $23,400 per yr & that's without the extras like special music programs & other such stuff & those that are poor get state vouchers.



Education should be affordable & accessable to everyone, at all levels, this is one of the issues Obama is fighting for. The republicaans have been against this & other issues like this, just like affodable & accessable national health care. MaCain & Palin will see to it that we'll stay the same course & it'll be another decade before the topic can be breached again if they get into office.

Them that have the resources, brains & money to get their children
will do so at any cost, it'sthe best investment they can get for their kids future. The shame of it is that we all can't obtain it for our kids. If only I had the money,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
That's what this election is about!

I want the same health coverage as MaCain gets, I want my kids to have the option of receiving the same education as the kids of politicans get. I want want to be free of worry that wars will take my kids away from my, I want my kids to be able to find jobs that pay a decent wage, if there are any left by the time their schooling's done, I want to have the civil & human rights that were granted to me & fought for by my forefathers & founding fathers, I want my privicy, I want my bedroom shades drawn without the government peeking in & telling me how my family's to live their lives, I want back the amendments that were stolen by the Bush administration, I want religious extremist to keep their religons to themselves & stay as far away from matters of state as the law provides, I want politicans who lie about bringing US to war brought to justice & jailed by a war crimes court, I want our government to sign on to a world court, I want to know that we as a nation won't through away our kids future so that oil, drug, energy, medical companies can make profits at the costs to our enviorment. I don't want much only what's fair & due US.

Barry