What does Sarah Palin remind you of?

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 10:08 AM

Oh yes - Anita Bryant. I thought there was a hidden picture or something......!

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 10:08 AM

Sorry, forgot to post name

Re-post from another pertinent thread

I thought Obama was PROMISING CHANGE!....NOT MORE OF THE SAME??   Attacking Palin, is like Bush attacking Iraq....ITS THE WRONG TARGET, STUPID!!!!!!!!!!
He should stick to his issues, and or attack the Presidential candidate,
not the VP choice....but she got to him and his self consumed ego!!!
His irrational behavior in this matter,(even with all his bullshit backtracking), is not CHANGE......ITS MORE OF THE SAME!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 10:03 AM

She reminds me of the little stone in David's sling....knocking out Obama's Goliath ego!!!

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 09:32 AM

"Kucinich doesn't really have much of a persona to speak of. Anyone who tries to tell those of us who support Kucinich why he got our, or anyone else's attention doesn't know what he or she is talking about."

I beg your pardon. I'm afraid you aren't grasping what I am saying.

You are fooling yourself if you feel that Kucinich doesn't have much of a persona, because if he was lacking one - he would not be where he is.

The imaget that he showed at the DNC - the firey oratory during his brilliant speech IS his personna. That image that he gave is the way he wishes the public to see him. It is a package, and a brilliant one. He reached those that feel the way he does.

You cannot have a successful politician without communication skills and an image that will inspire. It just doesn't happen. Kucinich is no exception.

A personna is a public image that is presented. That does not mean there is a Svengali-like attraction that will make people forget their views.

Ronald Reagan had it. He certainly did not reach me, but he got his message across and he spoke to needs of most Americans AT THE TIME.

"Kucinich's persona is not the point. It's what he says and what he stands for that is the point."

That is exactly right. I'm not sure why I am having a tough time getting across. Kucinich persona reached people - it attracted people like Carol to his message.   He stands for something she believes in and affected her to work for his goals. There are plenty of people like Kucinich that just cannot reach people effectively.

Sarah Palin has a personna.   The issue now is to see how her personna will change and how effective she will be once the script is taken from her hands.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Mooh
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 09:08 AM

Monica

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 08:39 AM

"What does Sarah Palin remind you of?"


                Elenore Roosevelt!

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Dazbo
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 08:23 AM

After Chelsea Clinton and Bristol Palin I'm looking forward to the next round of presidential elections where one candidate's child is called Dagenham and Redbridge

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 06:25 AM

Sarah Palin reminds me of why I'm glad I'm not American, and why I'm scared so many Americans are!

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 05:36 AM

The whole point is that we don't BELIEVE in the left - we just hope there is a more compassionate and decent alternative to the profit motive and realpolitik.


Even if the right were right. It wouldn't be right, not morally.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 03:31 AM

Amos...I know better than anyone that there are convictions on the left.
We just have nobody with the balls to articulate them; and that's because these convictions are unpopular with middle America ...and middle UK. Representatives of the "left" in America and Britain are more interested in carving out a career for themselves inside the present economic system, than providing real change for our people.

I have already said that I disagree with Mrs Palin's statements...That is beside the point, millions in America are attracted to the lady's conviction and personna; and if you can't see that, then YOU are the one with your head up your arse my friend!

I also find the quips about the lady's educational standard a bit rich, coming from an electorate who habitually give power to presidents who seem to have no grasp of geography, language, or numbers, but have skills in seducing idiotic subordinates. We on the left need someone to articulate our beliefs in the same way that Mrs Palin does for the right....she actually believes the message, as do Teribus, Doug, BB, pdq.

Our team is composed of people who don't want to upset anyone, keep the status quo, keep a foot in both camps, wait for change to evolve through the electoral process............Well it ain't gonna happen any time soon. You whine that some candidates are too left wing (like Mr Kuninich), "they can never carry middle America".......No fuckin' wonder with folks like the mudcat "liberals" on our side.
People who can't wait to get the knife in!

Its about time we started to believe in what WE say and start transmitting that belief to the unbelievers .........Ake

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,Layla
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 03:20 AM

I don't think I ever read so much left wing rubbish in my life. Why joke about a perfect lady ? Why be so negative about the republican party ?

Accept and understand all your little fantasies about a novelty sitting in the White House simply isn't going to happen.

Blessings

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 03:09 AM

Mention of another right wing nutjob.

As distinct from Playby's preferred handjob

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 02:55 AM

Right on, Carol. Kucinich's persona is not the point. It's what he says and what he stands for that is the point. Who needs another damn persona to vote for? I'd rather vote for some actual policies that I can believe in than award prizes to people for their brilliant and marketable personas. This isn't a blasted game show, it's real life.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 01:10 AM

I forget.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 11 Sep 08 - 12:08 AM

OK -- I'm late to the thread -- what are we supposed to see in the upper left cover of Playboy?

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:57 PM

Kucinich doesn't really have much of a persona to speak of. Anyone who tries to tell those of us who support Kucinich why he got our, or anyone else's attention doesn't know what he or she is talking about.

One of the reasons a lot of his supporters like him is precisely because his persona is irrelevant.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:48 PM

Yep, he sure does.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:45 PM

I didn't know Kucinich had a persona .... or even has one to this day.

biLL

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:44 PM

We all have our anti-heros, individuals that do not follow the status quo and influence others. If you think it has nothing to do with their personna and their communication skills, you are sadly mistaken.   Those items are tools that they use. Kucinich does it admirably.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:43 PM

heric, I don't get the sense he has any problem in just letting it go at times, but the stakes are too high and the McCain camp too ready to jump on anything as an issue (I mean, lipstick?)for him not to be very careful right now. I think you may see less of that as the gloves come off, so to speak, and in the debates. Maybe not, I may be wrong, but I still don't fault him for it.

I'd like to buy a gazillion dollars worth of adverts to say to McCain/Palin..."It's not about the lipstick, stupid!"

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:42 PM

'And anyone who says that there are a lot of other people who have the same positions on issues as Kucinich is showing a complete ignorance of his positions on issues.'

Not true at all. I understand and share his positions. You share the positions that Kucinich has, as do many people. Yet it is not enough.

The reason he is in a position that he is - elected FIVE times as a congressman as well as as well as the mayor of Cleveland - is because he was able to reach people through his persona. He is simply not someone that America wants for president. He can better serve his country elsewhere - in Congress.

I'm not saying that I disagree with his positions. The problem is, many people do. It is easy to blame the media, but the answer comes back to the candidate, their ability to get their message across, and whether enough people are interested.   Kucinich had a strong showing, but it was not enough - his views on issues such as the mid east, gun control, and his view on the war did not fly with most Americans. I wish it did, but it did not.

Face it, people like Kucinich do have a persona that reaches people. Think back on the 1960's and while they were different - people like Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin did the same. They weren't the first people to share the views, but they were able to reach more people through their personna.

Politicians, like Kucinich, are the same.   Their personna gets them out there, and then their message needs to sell.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:31 PM

It's hardly his persona that gets Kucinich noticed. People don't find his persona particularly interesting. It's what he does as a congressman that gets him noticed. It's how he does his job, and what he has to say about the issues that get him noticed, to the extent that he does get noticed (which ain't much, relatively speaking).

And anyone who says that there are a lot of other people who have the same positions on issues as Kucinich is showing a complete ignorance of his positions on issues.

I think "I stand corrected" would be an appropriate response for someone else to make right about now, and then the thread can get back to its real subject.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:25 PM

Yes, it's true, and of course I only see excerpts intended for public viewing. I just personally don't like being stuck in positions where I have to sit and listen to people doing that all the time as a control habit. And it happens often enough let me tell you.

I am sure he is playing it right in that regard. He is far far more intelligent than I. But it does appear calculated, and he could let go on lesser matters once in a while.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:20 PM

"Those of us who support Kucinich do so because of his stance on issues. His persona is irrelevant. "


No, it is because of his personna that you had a chance to hear his stance.

You made my point. Americans DO take a stance because of the issues, but without that personna to get the message across - you never would have had the chance.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:14 PM

What's wrong with speaking slowly because one is being thoughtful and sure of what words they speak? One's words are very powerful and should be used with care, esp. in a position of authority. In this world of hyped up everything where most everyone speaks fast and loose, I find someone who actually thinks about what they are going to say and then says it at a careful and easy-to-understand pace to be like breath of fresh air...a welcome change, pun intended.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 11:13 PM

By the way, I see that I wrote "more than 25 million " a month interest on the deficit. Huh uh. Make that trillion.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:57 PM

"Those of us who support Kucinich do so because of his stance on issues. His persona is irrelevant."

Agree   !!!!


biLL

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:47 PM

chuckle

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:43 PM

"It surprises me that someone who is so ardently anti-religion, especially anti-religion in government, would be so enthusiastically supporting someone who will work to try to increase religion's stranglehold on our government rather than reduce it."


                      It shouldn't. I had made up my mind to support Barack Obama if Hillary was cheated out of the nomination. Until Obama went to that discussion on "Religion and Ethics" (which have nothing to do with one another) and stated flatly that if elected he intended to leave the "Office of Faith Based Initiatives" open.

                      What that means to me is: boat loads of my tax money would be going to buffoons like Reverend Wright. And comments like that coming from a Democratic candidate just made the entire situation seem all that much more hopeless.

                      Better the money go to Pentecostals. As more and more people become aware of how stupid this all is, real change might finally be in the offing.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:41 PM

I don't care much for Obama's cultivated Imperial, phoney persona either. One of those people who will talk slowly - slowly, so that they are the center and there shall be no interruptions, even as he tells you about his personal realizations in college that Twinkies were not good for his health, and so he decided then and there to eliminate them from his lifestyle. Or whatever.

Works well in speeches, though.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:36 PM

And if anyone thinks it's easy for Kucinich to get his message out, they are profoundly mistaken.

When I was campaigning for Kucinich, most of the people I spoke to had never even heard of him. Sheesh.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:34 PM

I find that objectionable.

Those of us who support Kucinich do so because of his stance on issues. His persona is irrelevant. It's precisely because of this that he was my first choice rather than Obama, since with Obama, persona is a large part of the package.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:30 PM

"the average voters see the persona, and vote for the persona ... not the issues."

Wrong. The truth is not that simple.

Yes, you need to have a persona that is going to reach people. For all time, find a leader that did not have such a persona. But in the end, the voters DO vote on issues that effect them, and the person who can effectively deliver a message and convince will win.

Many people on this board have "bought" the persona of Dennis Kucinich. He is charsimatic and appeals to those looking for a certain niche. His message reaches them. There are plenty of people like Dennis Kucinich that offer the same messages and opportunity, yet they cannot get their message out.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:27 PM

It surprises me that someone who is so ardently anti-religion, especially anti-religion in government, would be so enthusiastically supporting someone who will work to try to increase religion's stranglehold on our government rather than reduce it.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:24 PM

And we know who they're going to slaughter!

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:21 PM

The big shots at Fannie and Freddie are among the fattest cats sucking at the Government teat. (Obama got in trouble for appointing former CEO Johnson, remember - Countrywide had done him favors.) The bail-out, although probably necessary, has exposed taxpayers to hundreds of billions of dollars of bad debt. The bad debt exists in large part because of the cozy relationship between those entities and Washington, and the always implied assumption that the feds would back up their obligations. With that status, they took on huge risk - but not with private money (in effect.) They did it with the security of this backing. The two CEOs are currently scheduled to get $8m and $16m buyouts, as solace becuase their stock options have been rendered worthless under their management.

McCain (even if he doesn't understand economics very well, as he says), should at least know this fact. The bailout has put taxpayers at risk for hundreds of billions of dollars. If he doesn't (after how many years??), then he and Palin really are pigs - heading for slaughter.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:57 PM

I know she aint no single working mom .... but the Palin package is appealing to a lot of those people.

I certainly know you aren't falling for it Carol.

biLL :)

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:53 PM

By the way, on the subject of single working moms, I've been a single working mom, and Sara Palin ain't no single working mom.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:20 PM

This afternoon I've been thinking of how Palin could have impressed me when she spoke at the Republican convention. It would have been easy, actually - if she had spoken passionately of the USA Constitution and the abuses it has undergone, if she had spoken knowledgeably of even a few of the issues facing this nation for at least a generation (Interest alone on the deficit is costing us more than 25 million a month and almost half of the debt is owed to foreign lenders), our physical infrastructure from bridges to water works are deteroriated and in danger of failure, and if she had quoted statesmen and thinkers as to how to address these problems, if she had outlined pet projects of McCain's and pledged to do her part, I would have been mightily impressed.

Instead she spoke as though she were the spouse of a potential vice president. As though we cared.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:15 PM

Watching the video of her saying that, one can see McCain applauding that line from her. So my guess is that this is another one of the McCain campaign lies that they just figure they can get away with.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 09:10 PM

You know, Alice's Palin gaffe doesn't show up on google news front page. It didn't even show up when I searched "Palin." All the articles retrieved are about racism and lipstick. Swear to God.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: heric
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:49 PM

"Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers."

The strange thing about said quote is that she did not make a gaffe while responding to questions. They are still not letting her answer questions (right?). Hopefully it was an ad lib, but is it possible that speechwriters gave her that line to say????? Is the McCain team permeated with incompetence on substantive issues?

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:32 PM

The people of middle America want peace and prosperity. They want good jobs, education for their kids, access to health care, and increasingly, they want to be able to free themselves of energy sources that come with a meter on them, and that are unsustainable. McCain/Palin are not the ones who will help them get these things.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:27 PM

{hunnert and 5!}

The people of Middle America want somebody who is positive and has covictions. Sarah Palin is close enough.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:24 PM

NO, you must not. Talk apples and oranges.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:20 PM

Yes, but if you apply that to Sarah Palin you must also apply it to Barack Obama.


{hunnert!}

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:19 PM

The average voters also see the damage that's been done to this country and to their (our) standard of living. The only reason they're currently infatuated with Palin is because the McCain people have done a good job of making them believe that Palin represents a change from what we've had for the last eight years. The voters don't want more of what we've had for the last eight years. Obama has to help them see the truth of what she really stands for. If he can do that effectively, he can win.

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:17 PM

Sarah Palin reminds me of the Peter Principle.
She has risen to the level of her incompetence.

Her first major gaffe yesterday was in speaking about the problems with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

"Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." The companies, as McClatchy reported, "aren't taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization."

"You would like to think that someone who is going to be vice president and conceivable president would know what Fannie and Freddie do," said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. "These are huge institutions and they are absolutely central to our country's mortgage debt. To not have a clue what they do doesn't speak well for her, I'd say."

Palin's first big gaffe, huffingtonpost.com

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:15 PM

As LH has been saying Carol ... the average voters see the persona, and vote for the persona ... not the issues.


biLL

Subject: RE: What does Sarah Palin remind you of?
From: Emma B
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 08:14 PM

'I expect it will get even worse than it has already gotten.'

Is this possible?