BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: GUEST,John Thompson
Date: 29 Nov 08 - 06:36 AM

I understand it is a modified clip from a flight sym!!

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 08:46 PM

But it was a great video!

And no pilot or bystanders were slaughtered in its commission!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble, who only flies when he's had more than 3 beers

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 04:16 PM

"But it took a couple guys from Idaho and Kansas to get ya' there."

I never said that the Youtube stuff - which I can't see anyway on dialup - was real - but such things HAVE happened in reality...

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 07:57 AM

The truth will set ya' free, F-troupe... Now don'tcha feel better to be back with the round-earthers??? Awwww, jus' funnin' with ya'...

But it took a couple guys from Idaho and Kansas to get ya' there... This ol' hillbilly tried and tried but I din't get no where...

(Nobody trusts no hillbillies, Boberdz...)

Geeze....

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 07:41 AM

JiK

I always loved the Pitts Special, but nowadays, I have been watching the Red Bull Air Races - they even host some of them here in Perth Australia - and I am _impressed_ at some of those aircraft!

And (everybody else!) OK! OK! OK! - that you tube footage is faked OK, but the F15 DID do it...

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 09:04 PM

If this were actually attempted, a stunt plane engine would be strong enough to suspend the plane verticly but he torque would make the plane spin.

While there may be "stunt planes" with enough power to do a "prop hang," I've never seen one that I know of. The appearance of "hanging on the prop" can be done by going into a vertical climb with enough initial airspeed to "coast" up until the engine can't hold it, as in the classic "hammerhead stall" or a couple of fancier standard stunt maneuvers.

The problem is that when you add more power, the prop spins faster. When the prop tips go "transonic" prop effectiveness is disrupted, and if any significant part of the prop is transonic, the effective shape of the prop blades is the shape of the shock wave that envelopes the blades. Getting thrust then, is about like expecting a baseball player to fly up in the air from the "lift" when he swings a bat.

I've seen exactly one propeller driven airplane (of conventional design) demonstrably capable of "hanging on the prop" (like a helicopter). A 3500 lb airframe converted from a 170 HP piston engine to a 370 HP (rated) turboprop.

During flight testing, a "surge problem" was observed in the engine governor, so it was disconnected. This gave the test pilot something like 750 HP, or a little more, available; but the key was that the "conversion" was intended to "loiter at very high altitudes" so it had a very large "canoe paddle" three-bladed prop that actually could absorb all the available excess power at "normal altitudes" without needing to rev the prop up to "sonic" (and it also had an extra 5 feet of wingspan for when it got to "altitude").

As an example of the performance required for a "prop hanger," the factory field was under the approach path for the adjacent Air Force Base, so all take-offs and landings had to be cleared with the AFB flight control. On the takeoff to ferry the plane to the Navy base where "flight testing" was to take place, the test pilot announced himself to the AFB as "*** (tail-number)" where "***" was the model of the commercial light airplane the test model was made from. He asked for a "fly out" altitude of 20,000 feet. The air force controller giggled. (A *** can't normally fly that high.) Exactly 38 seconds later, he called the AFB to announce that he was at 10,000 feet (entering FAA controlled airspace) and requested a "handoff" to FAA controllers. The AFB scrambled a squad of "thuds" to get up there and see how a "$!%@! ***" got up there that fast, and both the test pilot and one of the AF squad members confirmed to me that he was at 18,000 by the time they caught up with him. (He probably eased off on the throttle as he approached cruise altitude.)

Of course, when the governor problem was fixed and engine power was limited as intended - and the 3/4 ton of "mission equipment" was installed, even that airplane no longer could "prop hang."

Very few propeller driven "small airplanes" can maintain a sustained rate of climb over about 3,000 feet per minute. (That requires, roughly, max prop thrust a little over 30% of airframe weight.) They can go up very fast, for a while, but only if they're "going very fast" when they start up.

The F15 also mentioned is known to be able to "accelerate vertically" (thrust to weight ratio > 1) once sufficient airspeed is obtained to "ram-feed the air" to the engine, so the story about that one is credible. Most recent "tactical military" jets have this capability, although for most it means "full military power with afterburner" which eats fuel and engines quite rapidly, so the ability is seldom used except when "really necessary."

John

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: GUEST,Nobody
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 01:45 PM

It looks like some pretty good CG work. No dust kicked up as the plane goes through the grass and the windsock seems abnormally positioned.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: GUEST,Steve in Idaho
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 11:34 PM

Only problem with it - the plane spins the wrong direction when it loses the wing. Lift on the left wing would spin it to the right. Only way that could happen if it had more power than weight, and could stand on it's prop, and the pilot was expecting it. Like a modeler with a controller in hand -

It's bogus - GOOD bogus but not for real.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 10:04 PM

"Mr. Pilot holdin' on fir dear life go bouncin' down the runway with no real plane left to bouch with 'um...."

Actually, you can get that for free - in the "War in the Pacific" programs made originally for US TV, now available on DVD. A shot up plane lands on the deck of a carrier, then breaks in half... it's a famous shot...

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 08:25 PM

I'll tell ya what... You want funny then get the pilot in the areobatics plane to land and get tailhooked... That arrester gonna bust the plane in half... Gonna pull everything to the rear of Mr. Pilot's seat completely off Mr. Pilot and his big ass engine...

Yeah, that's the video I wanta see...

I don't care about no A4 'er F-15... I wanta see the areobatics plane get tailhooked... No, make that I'd Pay-per-View to watch that engine with Mr. Pilot holdin' on fir dear life go bouncin' down the runway with no real plane left to bouch with 'um....

Now ***that*** would be well worth the admisssion... Yezzir...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: skipy
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:56 PM

End of runway RHAG nets work as well if not better, shock to structure is a lot less as a lot of the energy has already been disepated, arrest by RHAG is less physically damaging to crew & better for the airframe.
But as stated at top of thread video is fake.
Skipy, What the hell would I know.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:50 PM

"It's not a system that is used casually."

It definitely damages the plane, but considering the overall cost, it is relatively 'minor'. It can also save a pilot, who cost an enormous amount to train...

Thank you Skivee   - it's nice to deal with people who DO know what they are talking about.... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Skivee
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 02:49 PM

Tailhooks on land-based aircraft, no? YES!!!
Most modern USAF fighter and training aircraft have a stout hook at the rear of the plane. It's not for carrier landings...EVER.
It's a runway overrun safety device. If a plane speeds past a certain point (from brake failure, pilot error, lost traction, etc.) the arresting wires are automatically raised and the plane is stopped.
It's not a system that is used casually.
On the other hand, the plane in the first video is a clever fake.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 10:38 AM

Ooops...
from
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=documentary+israeli+F15+pilot+lands+one+wing

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 10:36 AM

So you are trying to tell me that Americans who make serious military documentaries just make crap up?!!! I'm shocked!!!!

QUOTE
Famous video of an Israeli F-15, flown by pilot Zivi Nedivi, who managed to return to base safely after losing an entire wing in a mid-air collision with an A-4 Skyhawk. An absolutely remarkable display of piloting skill, not to mention a fabulous demonstration of the durability of the Eagle.
UNQUOTE
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/military_videos.htm
I can't view it with dialup.

There's a lot of other interesting military 'impossible feats' video there too...

http://www.defencetalk.com/sitemap/
Scroll right down
Pilot lands F-15 with only one wing

Sigh...

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 07:39 AM

Well, if they don't have carriers, which I'm purdy sure that Isreal doeasn't, then they wouldn't need arresters to train their pilots to land on carriers???

I donno, f-troupe, but this story is opposite of a fine wiine as it continues to tumble closer and closer to downtown Sillyburg...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 04:40 AM

"They don't have tail arresters that I know of a airports so we're assuming that he landed this one winged F-15 on a carrier..."

I've never been to Israel, so I don't know what the Israeli Military do .... do they have aircraft carriers? In that case they may well have restraints and nets at the land base - ...... ooooo now would they have them there for 'training' purposes? nice and safe onland? ooooooooo....

Bloody hell and some of this mob of doubters voted for the shrub, that's what worries me....

:-P

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: GUEST,Justin Urqhart
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 07:42 PM

When I read this first I thought it was about the pilot caught and charged in England last week found to be over the limitafter bringing a plane in from America. I think the other pilot reported him, well it is his duty.

I imagine this guy will loose his wings and lifestyle, very foolish and wreckless.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 07:42 PM

Well, F-ster, the question could be asked, "What is a prefectly good airplane???" Let me tell you that a one winged plane ain't up to them standards...

Also, let's look at another aspect of the F-15 pilot's decision... They don't have tail arresters that I know of a airports so we're assuming that he landed this one winged F-15 on a carrier... Carrier decks are not void of people... If he hadn't "greased the skids" then things could have gone very, very wrong and alot of folks could have also been killed...

I would bet that in his training that he wasn't told, in the case of losing a wing, that he should subject his own life, as well as those on the deck of the carrier, trying to land the plane successfully...

Hey, I ain't tryin' to beat no dead horse here but there is judegment and there is blind luck... I've spent a little time in a simulator and there ain't a scenerio for flyin' the plane without a wing... Dead enegines??? Yeah... No wing??? No...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 07:20 PM

"Personally, that is what parachutes are for, thank you..."

"Only a fool jumps out of a perfectly good [flying & 'controllable'] plane" ... :-)


F15 pilot's own words:
"I remembered that the [fuel] valves operate only in one direction ... I worked like a machine, wasn't scared and didn't worry. All I knew was as long as the sucker flies, I'm gonna stay inside."

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 05:47 PM

Well, I sho nuff ain't not expert pilot havin' crashed my first first plane at a ripe age of 16... lol... Okay, I was flyin' right seat but nevermind that...

But yeah, F-troupe, I do believe that an F-15 could be be hooked without a wing as long as everything went perfect, i.e. enough speed and leveling at the exact right second...

Personally, that is what parachutes are for, thank you...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 10:33 AM

If this were actually attempted, a stunt plane engine would be strong enough to suspend the plane verticly but he torque would make the plane spin.

I have seen pilots do what seems impossible. The impossible can happen.

but as Georgian Silver points out, this one is slightly enhanced in post production.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 07:49 AM

Of course, you expert pilots will know that there is an elderly gentleman, who is too old to fly in the USA, but is allowed to fly in Australia, who can shut off his engine, and do a whole aerobatic routine of several minutes, including a power off landing which results in him bring the aircraft to a halt at a desired point.

He says it is all to do with 'conservation of energy'.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 06:41 AM

The explanation for the hoax is on here...

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: GUEST,Tammy
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 05:20 AM

Could someone explain why the camera in the cockpit of the Israeli plane remains steady while the pilot's head whirls round in a circle? I would have thought the camera's postion would be relative to the pilot and when the plane rolled, only the outside would appear to roll, while the pilot's image would be steady.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 04:17 AM

"I just don't see how what I am seeing in the video is possible... It has to be a hoax..."

THAT video IS - but as I was trying to point out, the F15 saga IS a true story! Just as true as the 3 guys who landed a passenger plane that the 3rd (middle rear) engine had severed the tail control hydraulics. They used JUST the throttles, and btw, could only manage to turn one way,oh, and nobody was ever able to do it in a simulator either!

People sometimes do 'impossible things'.



Me, I do at least 6 impossible things before breakfast!



... leaving now...

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: GUEST,EGPWS
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 04:05 AM

Never heard so much aerodynamic bullsh1t - sorry but armchair experts or people who have 10 hours flying a cessna 152 for their birthday shouldn't post unless they want to get laughed at!

What worries me even more are the experienced guys (I saw a post from an airline pilot of 20 years who said it was real). Hope me and the family never get on an aircraft with these guys up front.

For the record, its a RC model, the landing gave it away (there is no way a real aircraft would bounce in that manner and come to such a slow speed in such a short time).

Oh and before you post a reply go here for the experts opinion on why its a fake - http://www.reggiepaulk.com/2008/10/killathrill-generates-huge-buzz-with.html

Great promo vieo for killathrill though .... nice one

p.s. The Israeli F-15 ... real flying !!

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Nov 08 - 06:36 PM

Well, yeah... The arresting hook would certainly keep the F-15 from ground loopin', F-troupe... Heck, don't take no physics major to figure that one out...

If the guy in the video had an arrestig hook then, sure, he might be able to land that plane under power but unlikely with that plane... It an areobatic plane which means it has one big ass engine and lots of stainless wire to keep everything wired tight but here's what would have more than likely happened...

He's approachin' under power with remaining wing pointing up toward the sky using his rear stabilizers (those wing looking thing in the back with the tail between 'um) for lift... The small surface area of the stabilizers (as compared to the actual, ahhhh, wings, would require greater speed to keep the plane in the air... So he'd have to come in real hot (like 70 ot more knots) and then use the rear satbilzers to level the plane, power off and catch the arresting hook at 70 knots which would probably pull the tail section completely off this plane as it wasn't designed to be stopped that way...

I just don't see how what I am seeing in the video is possible... I has to be a hoax...

Tell ya what, F-troupe, ol' buddy... Google up some pilot sights and see what real licensed pilots are sayin'... I'd bet it would be purdy close to what I have said... Airplanes ain't all that tough to figure out...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Nov 08 - 10:20 AM

Foolestroupe, my link to Snopes involves the original story, not the one about the F-15.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Nov 08 - 09:48 AM

"having landed at 260 knots speed was going to have to be scruffed off and that is where there wouldn't have been a flap on the wingless side... The only way that would have been possible to pull off is with a corresponding cross wind to compensate enough to allow the pilot to "crab" his way to a stop.."

"only way" - tail arresting hook?

The pilot's own words:

"Next thing I did was lowering the arresting hook [which was ripped out!]. A few seconds later I touched the runway at 260 knots, about twice the recommended speed, and called the tower to erect the emergency recovery net. The hook was torn away from the fuselage because of the high speed, but I managed to stop 10 meters before the net."

I'm NOT a pilot, but my daddy was in the war.... :-)

I said I saw this incident done up in a TV military weapons doco - and there are many other links you can find from my post above - I have contacted Snopes - they obviously don't know EVERYTHING!

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Nov 08 - 09:04 AM

Snopes says "undetermined", but that it is probably a fake.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Nov 08 - 08:12 AM

What defies physics here, F-Troupe is that at some point in time, having landed at 260 knots speed was going to have to be scruffed off and that is where there wouldn't have been a flap on the wingless side... The only way that would have been posssible to pull off is with a corresponding cross wind to compensate enough to allow the pilot to "crab" his way to a stop...

Yeah, I guess that could have been possible... Not propbable, however because runways are designed in the direction of prevailing winds so that one lands into the wind sop there generally aren't that kind of cross wind... I would think that the F-15 would probably require 50 plus knots pushing on the wingless side to compensate for the loss of the flap but that wind would almost have to be perfect in terms of direction...

This is hurting my head... I mighta ground looped a Super Cub but I never flew a one winged airpalne...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: GUEST,BanjoRay
Date: 08 Nov 08 - 05:14 AM

The engine noises are fine - you can hear another similar sounding aircraft flying past (in the same air race?) which could lead to confusion. Looks fine to me - no obvious editing.
Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Nov 08 - 04:31 AM

OK - I'll try again

cut and paste...

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=F15+israeli+loses+wing

lots of links to the REAL story ...

see the pics....

QUOTE
F-15 LOSES WING IN MID-AIR COLLISION - LANDS SAFELY!

This is a story about an Israeli F-15 that lost its wing - and still
managed to stay airborne!...(pics below)...

"On May 1st. 1983, a simulated dogfight training took place between two F-15D's and four A-4N Skyhawks over the skies of the Negev. The F-15D (# 957, nicknamed 'Markia Shchakim', 5 killmarks) was used for the conversion of a new pilot in the squadron. Here is the description of the event as described in "Pressure suit":

At some point I collided with one of the Skyhawks, at first I didn't
realize it. I felt a big strike, and I thought we passed through the jet stream of one of the other aircraft. Before I could react, I saw the big fire ball created by the explosion of the Skyhawk. The radio started to deliver calls saying that the Skyhawk pilot has ejected, and I understood that the fire ball was the skyhawk, that exploded, and the pilot was
ejected automatically.

There was a tremendous fuel stream going out of the wing, and I understood it was badly damaged. The aircraft flew without control in a strange spiral. I re-connected the electric control to the control surfaces, and slowly gained control on the aircraft until I was straight and level again.

It was clear to me that I had to eject. When I gained control I said :
"Hey, wait, don't eject yet!". No warning light was on and the navigation computer worked as usual; I just needed a warning light in my panel to
indicate that I missed a wing..." The instructor ordered me to eject.
The wing is a fuel tank, and the fuel indicator showed 0.000 so I assumed that the jet stream sucked all the fuel out of the other tanks. However, I remembered that the valves operate only in one direction, so that I might have enough fuel to get to the nearest airfield and land.

I worked like a machine, wasn't scared and didn't worry. All I knew was as long as the sucker flies, I'm gonna stay inside. I started to decrease the airspeed, but at that point one wing was not enough. So I went into a spin down and to the right. A second before I decided to eject, I pushed the throttle and lit the afterburner. I gained speed and thus got control of the aircraft again. Next thing I did was lowering the arresting hook.

A few seconds later I touched the runway at 260 knots, about twice the
recommended speed, and called the tower to erect the emergency recovery net. The hook was torn away from the fuselage because of the high speed, but I managed to stop 10 meters before the net.

I turned back to shake the hand of my instructor, who urged me to eject, and then I saw it for the first time - no wing !!!

The IAF (Israeli Air Force) contacted McDonnel Douglas and asked for
information about possibility to land an F-15 with one wing. MD replied that this is aerodynamically impossible, as confirmed by computer simulations... Then they received the photo....

After two months the same F-15 got a new wing and returned to action.
McDonnel Douglas attributes the saving of this aircraft to the amount of lift generated by the engine intake/body and "A Hell of a good Pilot"."

Submitted by Rusty C.

UNQUOTE
http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/110099.html


I'm not making this up, you know...

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: GUEST,Throttlejockey
Date: 08 Nov 08 - 04:30 AM

Guest/Bobert is right in both accounts, I believe. I'm an ex-F-15 jock who knows the Israeli pilot who "lost" his wing. I'm also an aero engineer. The F-15 has horizontal stabilizers which can operate independently, thus providing enough positive lift on one side, and downward lift on the other to keep the jet right side up for landing.
The air racer thing appears to me to be a hoax, but not for the same reasons stated. What I question is the maneuvers being performed by an "air racer". Why would this guy be doing aerobatics? Why would his wing fall off when the aircraft appears to have the least wing loading of his maneuvering? Why can't I find any credible news report describing this "amazing feat" outside of the clip? Why is the dialogue in the background so predictable, sounding so staged? I could be wrong, but it just seems like their are too many questions for it to be real.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Nov 08 - 04:20 AM

"Well, Confusion says, "One winged duck flies in circle""
"I'm not saying that he might have lived thru such a landing but the plane would have spun out, the tail section would have dug into the runway causing the plane to break in half... There is no way possible that the plane could have landed without ground looping... It defies physics and all aviation logic..."

I'm not saying that clip is not faked (with dialup, I can't watch it) but I am convinced that he makers of that TV doco I saw did not need to make the stroy up. The plane landed at well over 'normal landing speed' - he had no choice, or it would have just fallen out of the air - he was running on full throttle, just to stay up.

Is not the F15 a 'fly by wire' computer controlled machine? The pilot just points where he wants to go and the little black box works it out!

I saw the thing in a series of TV docos about various 'war planes' - was on one of those 'special channels' on Foxtel - the ones you have to pay extra for. I had a one month free trial, and while the $100 a month package had the few channels I wanted to watch, the minimum package hived off Nat Geo, History, etc, into 3 other separate additional packages. I didn't get Foxtel!

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 08:54 PM

Opps... The last GUEST post was me... Cookie got lost...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 08:31 PM

Don't try this at home!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 08:09 PM

Well, Confusion says, "One winged duck flies in circles"...

So, again, here's my take on this... Yes, with enough power the plane can fly straight using the tail wings (hirizonal stabilizers) for both lift and keeping the plane flying straight... That is somewhat believable... Now here where aviaoncis meets reality...

The very ending of the clip when the guy supposedly get the plane horizontal and lands it just can't happen that way... When he powers off the plane becomes, more or less, a glider... Part of getting the speed scruffed off is putting down the flaps, which are those long thingies that go up and down on each wing... And you can't land the palne until you get the speed off ot it... Now if he's trying to scruff off speed with a single wing pointing with up or down the rudder on the plane becomes the flap... Right... But now that rudder is on one side of the the plane or the other depending on whether the wing is poiting toward the sky or pointing toward the ground... If this were to occur, even using the elevators as flaps this, like the one winged duck would make the plane "gtound loop"... No matter, once the plane was flying horizontal and powered off the flap and loss of lift on that side of the plane missing a wing would make the plane "ground loop"...

Ground looping is like when a driver over corrects in a car causing one side of the car or the other to come around so that the car is now going backwards... This is what would have happened to this guy...

I'm not saying that he might have lived thru such a landing but the plane would have spun out, the tail section would have dug into the runway causing the plane to break in half... There is no way possible that the plane could have landed without ground looping... It defies physics and all aviation logic...

Oh, and for the record, 2 days after my 16th birthday a buddy and I ground looped a Super Cub so I know a little bit about ground loopin' airplanes...

That's my "unlicensed" but somewhat informed opinion...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 07:43 PM

GS, LMAO, thanks for that!

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: EBarnacle
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 07:36 PM

If you have a wide enough body, a military jet might have enough power to emulate a lifting body. I wouldn't hold my breath, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 08:41 AM

Wow!

But can it be done after losing both wings?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 05:44 AM

Hey come on folks... it can be done..............

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: nickp
Date: 07 Nov 08 - 04:10 AM

Very clever but read the comments in the link on post 2

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 04:03 AM

Noting blogger's comments - the F15 in the real case sat on it's undercarriage on the ground without leaning - this clown obviously knows nothing about reality. The manufacturer's engineers at first thought that it was a taxiing accident, apparently not uncommon.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 01:33 AM

Ok - it was an F15

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=israeli+pilot+lands+one+wing

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 01:16 AM

There was a case where an Israeli pilot was hit in mid air by another (who bailed out) during exercises. When his wingman could see thru the smoke, he said - look out the window. The guy had pulled out of the uncontrolled spinning dive by counter-intuitively pulling full throttle. He landed the plane with one wing - the other (left I think) was torn off at the root. The company engineers said that it was because the cockpit canopy at full throttle had provided enough lift to allow the plane to fly like a rocket. Can't remember which one, it was one of the US F?? type fighters. The film of it was in one of those TV shows, which had separate episodes on individual warplanes.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Nov 08 - 12:21 AM

The various bloggers responding to the video note the out of sync engine efforts. For instance at one point the engine is ostensibly laboring but the plane is on an entirely different path.

Of course, they could have added the audio later - it doesn't prove falsity - but some of the bloggers appear to know what they're talking about.

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 11:10 PM

I don't know beans about the engineering and all, but it seems unlikely, to me, that he would land with the plane sitting upright, without any listing to the side, after losing a wing. The balance would be off, wouldn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Pilot loses wing and cheats death
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Nov 08 - 10:41 PM

Not just flying with just one wing but with a prayer, no doubt.

Charley Noble