carol thatcher death threats

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 02:45 AM

"pond life" Bryn Pugh?? Don't know about that, but there again, I wasn't the one sitting at home dipping hat pins in shit before going out with them carried as concealed weapons with the intention of sticking them into complete and utter strangers was I??

And now you're a lawyer - probably one with that sterling ability to walk upright under an earthworm wearin' a "lum" hat.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 03:57 AM

Terrytoon,
"As this is purely a personal attack in which Jim Carroll cannot even get my name right I think it can be ignored."
You are probably the most childishly abusive self-abuser it has ever been my experience to debate with - and it is typical of the breed that they whinge and complain when others take their cue from your abuse.
I am more than happy to respond to your cut-and-paste points, but as I will be away for a few days so I will have to forgo that pleasure for the time being.
In the meantime:
"What you mean that the people who live and work in the "Democratic People's Republic of China" are not living in "the worker's paradise"
I have never discussed my political affiliations with you so cannot possible even guess what they are, any more than I could guess whether your own politics come from the old N.F. line, the B.N.P. 'new image', or the European LePen stable.
It is obvious that my politics are of the left, just it is obvious that yours are of the ultra-right, but that's as much as either of us know, and to presume any more is typical of your arrogance.
"And what would all those Chinese workers do if the rest of the world did not buy from them?"
I do find it interesting that you trot out the old rightist excuse for trading with oppressive regimes though!
I look forward to resuming our little tete-a-tete when I return; I am an avid follower of Lady T's "oxygen of publicity" line of thought
So far we have seen you support the massacre of civilians in Gaza by the Incontinent Army of Israel, smear and misrepresent the Irish, excuse racism and shit on the miners - let it all hang out, I say!!
Speaking of which, I received no response from Nigel P.... I'll take that as a 'yes' then?
Jim (Lad, or is it The Brit) Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 04:27 AM

Oh dear, Terrytowelling-

Personal attacks, eh ? Ah, diddums . . .

As I remember, you laid the ground rules :

" . . . scum masquerading as decent people . . . "

So don't spit your dummy out, and throw Teddy out of your cot, when I play by your rules, sunshine.

As I posted earlier - get back under your bridge, before I get Great Big Billy Goat Gruff to see to you.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 04:51 AM

Eh no Jimbo it was your pal Blind-shitter-Pugh needed the shit to smear on his hat pins.

I mean what sort of nasty warped individual would even think of doing that? Hey Pugh what did you do for encores, mug pensioners?? Tip people out of wheelchairs?? Substitute guide-dogs?? Oh that's right, I remember now - you became a lawyer.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 04:52 AM

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 04:53 AM

Oops! That'll teach me to lurk.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 05:00 AM

Teratogen -

Blind Pugh was my father.

I'm slightly short-sighted Pugh.

You might need a Lawyer, some day - when "they" section you.

By the tone of your most recent posts, I don't think it'll be too long, now . . . .

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 05:46 AM

You are probably the most childishly abusive self-abuser it has ever been my experience to debate with - and it is typical of the breed that they whinge and complain when others take their cue from your abuse."

Would that you had even attempted to debate – which you did not – it would have been an improvement on having to read your ill-informed twaddle. "Whinging" Jimmy, not my style, I merely made note of your lack of reasoned argument and the resort to "ad hominem" attacks, just like your "shitty-hat-pin wielding" pal and erstwhile singing partner Bryn-the-legal-Pugh.

Yes it is rather obvious that your politics are of the left, more than amply illustrated by the rubbish you spout. As to my political affiliations James, you are correct you cannot even guess at what they are. You guess at "ultra-right" – you guess wrong by a long shot. Yours is the sort of "socialism" that most children outgrow by the age of 15, certainly for a man of your years one would have hoped that somewhere along life's journey you might have picked up a modicum of "common-sense".

Hey were you "politically" active like your pal Pugh?? All fired up with socialist outrage and indignation?? Perhaps a member of a political party that had vowed to change the world?? Standing there shoulder to shoulder with your "brothers", shittin' up the hat pins for the next big demo??

As for myself Jimbo – I've never been interested in, or been a member of any political party in my life. I am possibly the most a-political person you've ever come across, I think in sixty odd years I've voted twice in my life.

Why do I appear to champion the "right" on this forum – mainly because of the seemingly never ending stream of lies, half-truths, mis-representations and myths the socialists and chattering-left trot out to make their points in threads on this forum – no other reason.

"So far we have seen you support the massacre of civilians in Gaza"

No not in the least, you have seen me support the right of a sovereign state recognized by the United Nations to defend its territorial integrity and the safety of its citizens from attacks launched from outwith its borders.

So far we have seen you - "smear and misrepresent the Irish"

Really?? Can you provide some quote of mine in which I "smear" the Irish?? I would certainly be interested in seeing that

So far we have seen you – "excuse racism"

Where Jim-lad?? Exactly where have I excused racism??

So far we have seen you – "shit on the miners"

Where have I "shit on the miners"?? I know that your pal Bryn did, by supporting them in the manner that he did, I mean with "friends" like that in your corner who the fuck needs enemies.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 06:03 AM

"I mean what sort of nasty warped individual would even think of doing that"
Who indeed - perhaps someone who would support the slaughter of women and children in the defence of occupied territory, or maybe those who would remove the livelihood and destroy the communities of those who have supplied the nation of heat and energy for generations for dubious economic gains, or those who would advocate trade with repressive regimes - or maybe even those who would propose that we be policed by fascists - it's a funny old world!!
Must go.
Jim Carroll
PS Your posts are now verging on the hysterical - take your pills!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 09:58 AM

"I mean what sort of nasty warped individual would even think of doing that"
Who indeed – Asks Jim

A rhetorical question of course because Jim Carroll knows precisely what sort of nasty individual carries concealed weapons smeared with excrement in public with the express intent of stabbing perfect strangers – a friend of his, they both admire and respect one another. Apparently by all accounts Jim and Bryn got on, and do still get on extremely well, and shared many a convivial evening of song and politics. When Bryn, the respected and admired, is not out sticking concealed weapons smeared with excrement into perfect strangers, he is apparently a fine singer according to Jim.

Well if Jim's taste in music is anything like his taste in friends that ain't saying very much at all is it. I am pleased that Jim and Bryn are proud to call one another friend, but a word of advice Jim, if you're out with him in a crowd, keep him in front of you – no telling what might get stuck into you if you don't.

One thing's for certain Jumbo if it came to the choice for condemnation and censure between someone who referred to someone's hair style looking similar to a golliwogs, or to someone who carries concealed weapons smeared with excrement in public with the express intent of stabbing perfect strangers. I know whose behavior I like to see corrected as a matter of urgency.

I can imagine that your convivial musical evenings were great, you and Bryn competently backed up by Rose and Alan West, Peter Sutcliffe dropping in now and then, not to forget Myra. All those birds of a feather 'gregariating', whatever the hell that might be – I ask because "gregariate" as a word does not appear to exist in the English language.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 10:06 AM

Termagant-

Go and lie down in a darkened room with a damp cloth over your eyes.

I'm sure you'll soon feel better.

How long did you spend over the dictionary to find that "gregariate" is a made-up word ?

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 10:26 AM

"Go and lie down in a darkened room with a damp cloth over your eyes.

I'm sure you'll soon feel better." - Bryn Pugh.

I think I'll pass on that Bryn, especially with the likes of you wandering about at liberty - Oh and as for getting sectioned, I say that your behaviour, of which you appear to be so proud, warrants it a damn site more than anything I've ever turned a hand to.

In answer to your question - "How long did you spend over the dictionary to find that "gregariate" is a made-up word ?" - less than 10 seconds.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 11:01 AM

Boring, Terylene, boring.

Had your blood pressure checked, recently ?

The choler you display on this and other threads leads me to wonder how far you might be from a stroke ?

Not that I wish you any harm, you understand ; I can always stoop to pick up rubbish.

Over and out.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 11:45 AM

Blood pressure "Hat-Pin"? Had it checked today at 13:50 actually - Guess what?? Normal, no cause for concern whatsoever.

I take it that as a lawyer you'd really have to steer clear of anything to do with "war crimes" wouldn't you. Unless of course you were prepared to make yourself out to be the one hell of a hypocrite, considering that your weapon of choice was decreed as being against the rules of war as far back as medieval times.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 12:15 PM

Jim Carroll:
Speaking of which, I received no response from Nigel P.... I'll take that as a 'yes' then?
You were perhaps expecting aresponse to:
I find it interesting that you find belonging to a fascist organisation a legitimate way to express yourself Nigel - is this a statement of your own position by any chance?
I didn't really see the need to respond to so blatent a misquote.
What I originally said was:
You don't say whether you believe the police should have been ordered to dissociate themselves from the National Front, or if you are complaining about the infringement of their right to belong to any political party of their choosing.
I assume it's the former and you would deny them the very rights of self-expression which you claim they clamp down on for others!
You still fail to say whether it is your belief that the police should not be permited allegience to any political party, or whether you are singling one out.
And no, I do not subscribe to the views of the National Front, nor of the BNP. But I made no claim either way.
If you must quote me, then please do so accurately, and do not presume that lack of a response means that I agree with you. From your one-sided rantings so far that seems highly unlikely!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 01:36 PM

Aye I'm afraid it's game set and match to Teribus.
Your stupid over reaction to the "golliwog" remarks has left you open to charges of hypocrisy...the curse of the "soft left"

I really think you have all taken leave of your senses, the old mantra's of the left are useless, that doesn't mean that right wing Capitalism is the future....but people need to know that they can have a life of freedom and happiness before they will be willing to change anything; and that does not mean a lifetime of toil for the "common good"...or the spectre of a benefit ridden society sapping the guts and spirit from everyone....Ake

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 06:07 PM

"...but people need to know that they can have a life of freedom and happiness before they will be willing to change anything; and that does not mean a lifetime of toil for the "common good"...or the spectre of a benefit ridden society sapping the guts and spirit from everyone....Ake"

That is one of the most truthful and most common-sense things I have read for a long time - Well said Akenaton.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 05:03 AM

Well, well - who'd have thought it ?

Termite and akinbum gregariating ?

Well, there's a surprise.

What does the adage say ? : misery loves company.

Beyond reasonable doubt, as a Lawyer might say.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 09:47 AM

Ahh you're struggling now "Hat Pin"

You had little enough to say before that made any sense, and it just seems to have got less and less.

What's up nobody telling you what the party-line is supposed to be.

Give us all the heads up when next you feel inclined to pop into the Milliners.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 11:06 AM

What ?

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Gervase
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 05:53 PM

Hmm, two bald men fighting over a comb.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 01:26 AM

Oh Gervase were that the case it would look very bad for yer man, "hat-pin" Pugh, were he to be lifted. After all what possible reason could a bald man offer for carrying a concealed, shit smeared hat-pin on his person??

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 05:16 AM

Oh no!...what have I done!....Supported my political "enemy", because he happens to be right in his assesment of a left wing cabal steeped in nineteenth century political dogma, mixed in with a "liberal" dose of twenty first century politically correct lunacy!

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.....especially Jim, who I believe has had the advantage of looking at our political system from the extreme left....To see him now puddling about after golliwogs and big simple girls is a sad sight indeed.

The left has never been good at facing reality, this doesn't make it wrong, just cowardly and hypocritical. We should abandon our failed battle lines, admit where we have gone wrong, get out of the fuckin' trenches and start looking for a new way(or maybe a very old way)to make humanity happy free and fulfilled.

The miners are a very good example, and I admire Scargill for his spirit, but looking back further than the economic issues involved, did we really want to condemn further generations to an industry which was dirty, depersonalising and which would in the end kill those who worked in it.

The fact that most miners hated the life and most tried to ensure that their children did not follow them down the pit, is conveniently forgotten by the lefties who care more for dogma than real life.

I know Mrs Thatchers motives were unlikely to be influenced by the welfare of the miners and more by the survival of her govt, but that should not blind us to the whole truth of the issue.
Basically I think that's what Teribus is saying in most of his posts.

Dare I say that he is using a hatpin to burst a balloon?....Ake

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 05:25 AM

Further to that, We must make a start on wiping the greatest evil of our time.....Capitalism....."right off the map", and not replacing it with a system just as capable of enslaving humanity!

"Small is beautiful"

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: goatfell
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 05:55 AM

one of my heroes was John McLean

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 06:04 AM

Mine too Tom.....but the political landscape has changed, we have the benefit of hindsight.

I loved Mclean for his bravery in his stand against the oppression of the poor at considerable personal risk, but the ideas which he espoused over centralised control of power turned out...through no fault of his...to be just as oppressive.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Stu
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 06:23 AM

"You should all be ashamed of yourselves..."

No-one should be ashamed of holding and arguing for their opinions, and to suggest they should is condescending at best. I disagree with Teribus on many things but should he be ashamed of holding his views? No way.

One of my heros is James Connolly, but on this forum he'd be condemned as a hypocritical left-winger as he was an ardent support of unionism and the rights of the ordinary working man, as well as being a committed socialist.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 07:25 AM

Jack....I fully agree with you on Connolly and the fight for Irish independence, but that is a different subject.

What I was referring to was the small minded attitude of many on the left, who still see a lifetime of toil and struggle to support a discredited political system, as acceptable; and how their bankrupt dogmas are now being dressed up in political correctness to deter any who question them. For example, see how these stupid remarks by a remarkably stupid woman have turned into a "cause celebre" for us lefties.........The "piss on Thatchers grave" attitude shames us, we as "democrats" put her where she was for 18 years!

The problem with the left is that we want our cake, and eat it.
Socialism in a Capitalist society....Don't make me fuckin' laugh, we are simply posturing....we're not ready for real life!!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 09:35 AM

Speak for yourself.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 07:10 PM

Didn't John McLean stop a gang of ruthless international criminals from robbing a state of the art modern building?

And then stop another gang who had taken over the control tower of an airport and were crashing planes ...

... I'll get my coat ...

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,Baroness
Date: 07 Mar 09 - 02:24 PM

I quite like the Thatcher games at http://www.maggiethatcher.com though!