BS: KKK/Tea Party Day

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 06:45 PM

Sorry, sawz, but you are the one dodging the discussion... Yeah, amongst about 50 things that I hate you pulled the "1-in-5 children" out as if it was the Holy Grail and so I asked you do do a little budget work, which you refused to do, to get to a point where some critical thinking could come into play... But, hey, you refused because, like a chess game, you sniffed that I was just a few moves away from having you in checkmate so you just did what you do every time you can sniff a checkmate coming and that is (drumroll) change the subject...

But nevermind yer diversionary tactics... They speak for themselves...

How about the Tea Partiers yelling "nigger" at black Congressmen???

And how about them spitting at a black Congressman???

And how about the derogatory terms thrown at Barney Frank about him being gay???

Guess ya'll righties don't want to talk about those incidents, do ya'???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 01:06 AM

Well well well. Bobert. First you brag about how this old hillbilly is right cause the USDA said so and now it's Propaganda.

An interesting turn of events. And I suppose you calling Obama a liar too while you puff out your chest.

You brought your "1 in 5 children go hungry" "fact" into the thread and now he claims that is my tangent.

Then you proceed to try to shift the fact over to something else.

You are the one going off on tangents, not me.

Why don't you make the effort, like I did to contact them. Maybe your 10 years as a social worker can help them find and fix their alleged wrong methodology.

You know they have their methodology all written out in that report, the questions they asked, everything is right there.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 04:54 PM

But nevermind Sawz little tangent... It ain't even a blip about the real discussion here...

Ya' know who will be credited with the creation of the Tea Praty is none other than Dick Armey... Remember him??? Well, his lobby firm, D.L.A. Piper and their affiliate "Freedom Works" are all shills for the drug companies and the health insurance lobbies... And Armey's firm and his buds have provided organizational support and $$$ to the Tea Baggers??? Thrown in FOX and you have the perfect storm for the pissed off and ignorant...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 04:32 PM

No, no, Sawz... I am fully aware of what the USDA propaganda says... I mean, I can read... What doesn't add up is their numbers... Something seriously wrong with their methodology... Ain't rocket surgery here, son...

Lets do a little review here 'cause maybe you are missing the point...

Number of people living in poverty = 40,000,000 (maybe 50,000,000 depending on one's position on the governements' $20,500 a year for a family of four)

Number of kids hungry according to USDA = 500,000

If the family make-up of those kids living in poverty is 66% then what the USDA wants US to believe out of the 26,000,000 to 33,000,000 only 500,000 go hungry which amounts to about 2 kids out of a 100 who are living in poverty going hungry....

Now I doubt that you kmow much about poverty, son, but I do... I worked as a social worker for the City of Richmond for well over 10 years working with the poor... If Janie would stop in here she would validate what I'm trying to tell you and that is simply that there is something very wrong with the USDA's accounting here...

That's what I refer to as intellectual curiousity.... Seems you have plenty of it if it comes to putting the blast on Obama but seem blinded when it suits yer arguments... I call that selective blindness and when it come to selective blindness yer a white-caner...

B~

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 03:09 PM

USDA 2008 Household Food Security page four

(5.7 percent of all U.S. households) had very low food security that is, they were food insecure to the extent that eating patterns of one or more household members were disrupted and their food intake reduced, at least some time during the year, because they couldn't afford enough food. Children in most food-insecure households even in most households with very low food security were protected from reductions in food intake. However in about 506,000 households (1.3 percent of households with children), one or more children were also subject to reduced food intake and disrupted eating patterns at some time during the year (table 1B). In some households with very low food security among children, only older children may have been subjected to the more severe effects of food insecurity, while younger children were protected from those effects.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 11:26 AM

Lemme see Pop, You won't even seek out any data to support your "fact" much less put a pencil to paper but you want me to put a pencil to paper to explain why research, Obama and the USDA spent your tax money for, contradicts what you say. Is there a more reliable source?

Where did your "data" come from? From sites that won't answer like you? From "The Most Outrageous Charity in America"?

What government website supports your "fact" Bobert?

Rather than me proving you are right, you need to prove you are right.

Then we can move on to your hypothesis.

Right now you are using your hypothesis as an excuse for not having to find any data to support your claim that "1 in 5 children go hungry"

I've done my work. I have presented my data. Now it is time for you to do the same and quit claiming there is something I haven't done.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 08:17 AM

Hey, Sawz... I'm glad that yer mixin' it up with a few of the websites out there that are makin' claims about hunger in America... That's a ral good start... You know, questioning the folks you disagree with...

Now for that leap of faith on yer part to question the websites that agree with yer p.o.v.... That too much to ask, son???

I've presented you with the hypothesis... You know, the poverty rates, the questions about the governeemnt's poverty line and the number of hungry kids that the governeemnt claims... Somethin' don't jive when you look at the big picture... Ya' see, son, that is how people with intellectual curiousity think... They loo ta somethin' and see that there is some obvious error and then question the meathodology that was used to create the error...

Now be a good Sawz and put a little pencil to the paper and explain how only 1 in a hundred poor kids got to be hungry... That's purdy much what yer sites claim, ain't it???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 12:32 AM

"That's called "questioning", son"

Well Pop, I actually took the effort to question your Bobert "fact". I sent emails to three sites that posted your "fact" and none of them answered.

Then I took the time and effort to ask the authors of the report you gloated over that you claimed proved your "fact".

One of the researchers, Mark Nord, actually took the time to answer and the answer contradicted your "fact".

Also I took the time to search for other stats. I found them at Obama.com and the USDA, again contradicting your "fact".

So far you have been a lazy, truculent, smug, self righteous, holier than thou, bleater of propaganda from websites that are so disingenuous in their facts that they do not answer.

One of them was called The Most Outrageous Charity in America and a Scam by two different sources.

You cannot prove your "fact", you are to lazy to do any questioning yourself but you accuse me of not questioning things.

I have done 100 times more questioning and fact finding than you have.

You know you are wrong but your Winnebago sized ego won't allow you to admit it. I think you accused GWB of the same thing about a thousand times.

So as a subterfuge you try to shift it to a poverty line issue and demand that I produce something to prove you right.

Nothing personal Pop, but get up off your ass and do what you are trying to shift off onto me and quit trying to change the subject.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 11:59 PM

I have already responded to your hate the government rant of 17 Feb 10 - 06:40 PM

With:

"I'll take this government over any in the world. If there was a better one where people were better off, I would go there. That is if I could pass their immigration laws and of I could swim upstream in the flood of people disparately trying to get into the US"

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 06:57 PM

Screw the USDA!!!

Come on man... Yer the governemnt hater here... That oughtta be real easy fir ya'... Just put on yer guvmint-hatin'-hat and pretend that rather than it being the USDA it was Obama or the Dems...

That's called "questioning", son...

Ya' see, income is alot easier to track than hungry kids... So ya take the income figures and you come up with roughly 40,000,000 people livin' in poverty... I interject that the poverty rate is too low ($20,500 a year for a family of 4) and I theorize that the real poverty rate is closer to 20% so we might be talkin' 50,000,000...

No this ain't rocket surery here, Sawz but if someone told you that only 1 in 100 kids who live in poverty go to bed hungry at night would you believe that??? I mean, don't ya' think that maybe, just maybe, that figure was at least a little off???

But it seems that you lack the intellectual curiousity to think beyond the propaganda???

Maybe you need to spend just a little more time thinking and less time reatcing, Sawz... Yer reactions may be fast but yer thinkin', no offense intended, leaves a lot to be desired...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:16 PM

"I'm not trying tpo prove squat, Sawz... I'm just trying to get you outta yer denial rut."

I know your are not trying to prove anything because you can't prove your Bobert "fact" so you worm out of that by claiming I am denying something.

One thing at a time Bobert. After you prove your claim that as per the leftie USDA "1 in 5 children go hungry at night", 14.7 million, while Obama states in writing on his website the .43 million experience hunger as per the USDA, we can move on to another topic.

Until then you are trying to change your claim to something else because you can't admit it when you are wrong.

You are the person in denial, not me.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 07:56 AM

I'm not trying tpo prove squat, Sawz... I'm just trying to get you outta yer denial rut... You are completely unwilling to look at the hunger in terms of poverty... What, you think ricj kids go hungry, too??? I mean, that's about as far as you want to go...

I thought that you had a level of intellectual curiousity... I guess not... That makes you a parrot... Not a free thinker... I'm sure you falol for all those junkmail marketing scams as well...

It doesn't take a friggin' Menza-nite to know that if you have 40,000,000 people living in povert that the half a million hungry children is as bogus as a $3 bill... But you don't seem to care that stuff doesn't add up... Tell ya' what, I wouldn't ever want to go to war with you... You would get us killed with yer tunnel vision...

"Question everything"...

"Garbage in, garbage out"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 10:46 PM

Tell ya what Bobert, When you prove your claim is correct or admit it is wrong, we will move on.

You are just shifting ground here cause you can't come up with any proof. The source you cited says you are wrong. The person that wrote the source you cited says you are wrong but your ego prevents you from admitting you are wrong.

Until you prove your claim, you are calling Obama a liar. I am not going to arrogantly tell you to Google for the proof that you are wrong, I am going to give you the link again:

BarrakObama.com:

Eliminate Child Hunger by 2015: According to the Department of Agriculture, in 2006, 430,000 children in the United States experienced hunger

Quit trying to shift the responsibility of proving your claim on me.

If you want to work on the poverty level and budgets, you come up with a minimum income and a budget so I can pick it apart.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 08:01 AM

Tell ya' what, Sawz... When you have posted your budget on how a family of 4 can live in this econmomy on $20,500 a year then I'll know you are serious about the intellectual curiousity it takes to carry on a real discussion... Cherry pickin' rightie-sites is not at all intellectually curious... Abnd caveman can do it....

If Obama said that only 430,000 kids in America are suffering from hunger he is wront, too... There is no way that that absolutelu insane number is anywhere near accurate... Do the math... Make your budget... Look at the poverty rates...

Ain't rocket surgery here, Sawz...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 01:56 AM

Quoting your sources is not hiding behind academia Bobert. It is not cherry picking.

You haven't come up with one fact to support your claim yet but you want others to prove your facts for you, That's your job.

The 1 in 5 claim is contradicted by your president that you voted for and the person that wrote the report you cited. Are you calling them liars? Are you smarter than them? Did you hear something on NPR that they don't know about yet?

Obama:430,000 children in the United States experienced hunger.

Bobert 1 in 5 [14,747,112] go to bed hungry at night.

Who is right and who is wrong?

First you make one claim you can't back up and then you try to switch it to another claim by saying that is the real issue.

Prove your first claim or admit it is wrong, if your ego will allow such a thing, then we will move on to the next Bobert "fact".

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:06 AM

I see yer still in yer cherry=pick and attack mode, Sawz...

Why won't you tell the good folks how you would run a household of 4 on $20,500 a year... That is more important here... If you can't do that then we can assume that all you wnat to do is blow smoke...

BTW, while yer trying to figure that out, might as well Google up "National Academy of Sciences" and see what they have to say about the governement's definitions of poverty...


Ya' see, yer hiding behind academia here, Sawz... If the poverty rate in America is 1 in 5 then maybe, just maybe, the 1 in 5 claim is not as unbeleivable as you seem to think??? Know what I mean????

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 11:10 PM

Bobert says Google "1 in 5 Children Hungry" for deatils:

From AIP's December 2009 Charity Rating Guide & Watchdog Report

The Most Outrageous Charity in America
Larry Jones' Feed the Children

From forged audits and alleged employee theft in the late '90s to alleged burglary and board coup staging within the past year, no other major charity can match Feed the Children's (FC) record of outrageous behavior over the past ten years. The madcap antics of Feed the Children and Larry Jones, its founder and president for 30 years, may be coming to an end. In August 2009, after months of turmoil at the charity, Mr. Jones agreed to give up control of FC in order to settle a lawsuit between FC's longstanding board and a new board that he had attempted to install. Fascinating details about many alleged wrongdoings at this charity have been brought to light as a result of this lawsuit.

Last December, Larry Jones staged a failed coup in an attempt to take over the board of FC after the board decided to put an end to his "freewheeling dominance" over the charity and demanded that he take a sabbatical for an indefinite period of time. The new board members Larry Jones attempted to install consisted of prominent ministers. This board along with Larry Jones promptly fired FC's chief operating officer, chief financial officer, internal auditor and the daughter of Larry Jones, Larri Sue Jones, FC's Vice President and General Counsel. The longstanding board sued the new board in January and was reinstated by Oklahoma County District Judge Patricia Parrish in February along with the previously fired employees.

FC has continuously received an F grade from AIP since we began rating this charity in 1995. Based on FC's most recently available financial statements for fiscal 2008, only 21 to 23 percent of its cash budget was spent on program services and $63 to $65 was spent to raise each $100 cash contribution. In 2008 about 54% of FC's cash budget of $125 million was spent on "television and radio," "direct mail," and "direct mail postage" according to its audit of the same year....

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 05:42 PM

That's right, Sawz.... Just find one that some rightie-site has allready demonized because of this-or-that and cut 'n paste it...

Let me ask you a simple question??? Do you agree with the poverty line for a family of four being $20,500 a year??? If so, would please post your hypothetical monthly budget showing how a family of four could live on that amount...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 03:01 PM

feedthechildren.org:

CHILDHOOD HUNGER IS AN EPIDEMIC. BOYS AND GIRLS ARE SUFFERING
AROUND THE WORLD AND RIGHT HERE IN THE U.S. DID YOU KNOW?

More than 12 million children in the U.S. suffer from hunger, more than 3 million chronically.
As many as 1 in 5 American children go to bed hungry.

'Feed the Children' Scam?
The charity "Feed the Children" is the fifth largest in the country with more than a billion dollars in donations each year. But, as Sharyl Attkisson reports, there are serious questions as to where the money goes.

"Feed the Children" Charity Under Fire
   "Feed the Children" is perhaps best known by its infomercials featuring founder, the Reverend Larry Jones.
   "For only $8 a month, you can help feed a child. Would you go to your phone," Jones said in a commercial.
   After the Haiti earthquake, the charity sprang into action. The Oklahoma City headquarters buzzed with activity, as donors sent in a million dollars in cash.
   "Right now, we need your help like never before to get urgently needed relief to Haiti," the commercial said.
   CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports most donors have no idea about the nasty family feud that's tearing apart the billion-dollar a year charity.
   On one side: founder Larry Jones. On the other: his daughter Larri Sue, and the charity's Board of Directors. It came to a head more than a year ago when each side accused the other of the worst sort of financial improprieties.
   In a lawsuit, Larry Jones accuses the Board of serious financial neglect, claims his daughter misused charity funds including living in a $1.2 million dollar Los Angeles home on the charity's dime, and that she engaged in illegal schemes to cover up unpaid taxes.
   Larri Sue denies any wrongdoing. The board claims it's her father who got caught taking bribes and kickbacks, awarded himself and his wife unauthorized pay raises and went so far as to bug the executive offices.
   Larry Jones fired his daughter and Board members who opposed him. But when a judge resintated them, they turned around and fired him.
   "Larry Jones has not engaged in any financial improprieties whatsoever," said his lawyer Mark Hammons.
   "Has Larry Jones done anything wrong," Attkisson asked.
   "Yeah," Hammons replied. "He made a mistake. He relied on people, and they let him down."
   But the Christian charity's donors might feel let down by the most scandalous allegations, about pornography and sexual and racist emails.
   "Feed the Children" says it found incest-related porn in Reverend Larry Jones' office.
   Larry Jones counters by producing racist and inappropriate emails that he claims were traded by top executives. "Plot to kidnap Obama" a watermelon under a box trap. "if she looks too young, just assume she's 18."
   Watchdog Daniel Borochoff says donors should see lots of red flags. He's been questioning the charity's practices for more than a decade.
   "It's ridiculous this charity can continue to raise money and have its hand out to the donating public," Borochoff said.
   We asked "Feed the Children" spokesman Tony Sellars about Borochoff's allegations.
   "Only 21-23 percent of your cash donations that people give actually go to program services," Attkisson said.
   "I can't address that," Sellars said. "I just address to the people that when they support us, what they want us to do is feed families and children, and that's what we're doing."
   "Fifty-four percent of cash is spent on TV, radio ads and direct mail," Attkisson said....
   Jones founded the charity 30 years ago.


The charity paid Jones $230,323 a year, records show...Read More

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 02:29 PM

Gloating:

BTW, Sawz... The claim of 1 in 5 children go to bed hungry is from statistics provided by, ahhhhhh, the leftie U.S.D.A!!!

Google "1 in 5 Children Hungry" for deatils...

Don'tcha just *hate* it when ol' hillbilly knows what the heck he's talkin' about??? lol...

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 04:31 PM

Nah, Sawz, there weren't no "gloating"... I told you that there were lots of sites when I Google "1 in 5 hungry" and just threw one out there... I was in no way saying that that one site was the Holy Grail... It was just proof, since you said that computer refused to find anything about "1 in 5 hungry", that these sites exist in cyberworld... No gloat, just fact... Shoot man, there are planety of other ones... Don't believe me then go to the libraray and use an unbiased/unprogramed computer and see fir yerself... Then you can call or write or whatever it is that makes 7you happy all of those other sources and argue with them until the cows come home...

BTW, have you spoken wioth yer shrink about this little Bobert-obsession relapse thing that you have goin' on???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Alice
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 04:18 PM

I just watched a Tea Party supporter, Mark Williams, melt down, take off his microphone and walk off the Dylan Ratigan show. Ratigan kept asking him to answer his questions. Williams refused to answer the question about repudiating the racists in the tea party rallies.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 01:41 PM

Bobert:

According to the USDA source you gloated about says "1 in 5 children go hungry at night" is wrong.

Another Bobert "fact".

That would be 14.75 million. Obama says .43 million.

Is Obama wrong or are you wrong?

Can you admit it when you are wrong or does your ego keep you from admitting the truth?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 06:41 PM

Hyped situation for peanuts!!!

Jeeze-amo Pete, Sawz... The military spills more in one day than we are spending to feed hungry kids... When you start complaining about presidents starting extremely expensive wars of choice then I'll take your indignation seriously... But one thing I'll tell you is that the government has no idea how much hunger there is out there... I know a little bit about this because from working as a social worker for, ahhhhh, the government...

The statistics that they do keep is poverty levels because that kinda information fits nicely into their computer programs but they don't know squat about the effects of poverty...

Like I said, if we ahve 20% poverty rate it would stand to reason that the "1 in 5" is not all that much of a stretch, especially when you weigh in the fact that poor people tend to have more children...

Nah, I think I'll stick with the 1 in 5... You ghaven't ptoved that to be wrong other than ask folks who are clueless... The websites I have seen are by community based organizations... They are there in the community... Beaurocrats aren't...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Mar 10 - 11:36 AM

I did write to 3 of those websites asking them to point out the data.

None of them answered.

So I wrote to the two people that wrote the USDA report that those websites keep referring to and I got an answer from Mark Nord, one of the authors of that report. Evidently they get a lot of requests like this because it appears to be a "canned" response:


The official statistics on food insecurity are on our web site at http://www.ers.usda.gov/briefing/foodsecurity (click on "Key Statistics and Graphics") and in our annual report, Household Food Security in the United States, 2008, also accessible from that page. For information specifically on children, see also the USDA report, "Food Insecurity in Households with Children," available at http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/eib56

It is common for advocates and media to cite USDA statistics, put their own interpretation on what those statistics mean, and then attribute the entire statement to USDA. Most of the statements you cite would be examples of that practice.

The statement, "12 million children go to sleep hungry in the United States" is an egregious example. 12 million is a USDA statistic for the number of children living in food-insecure households in 2007. (The number was up to 17 million in 2008.) While it is true, based on a sizeable body of research, that many of those children are adversely affected by this experience, the evidence is that only a tiny proportion "go to sleep hungry." For starters, in about half of those households, the food insecurity extended only to adults, not to children. In most or the remaining households--those in which children were also food insecure--the severity of their insecurity was at the level of affecting diet quality, variety, and desirability, but not quantity. It is unlikely that any children in those households went to bed hungry. About 1 million of the 17 million children (in 2008) lived in households in which one or more child had "very low food security" at some time during the year--a condition of severe food insecurity that is consistent with having been hungry at times because the household could not afford enough food. Not all children in such households experienced that condition themselves. The exact number is not known, but it was between 506,000 (the number of households in which those conditions existed for at least one child) and 1,000,000 (the number of children who lived in those households). Our statistics do not, however, provide any information about whether children went to bed hungry, and, indeed, we do not ask such a question on the survey.

So, please see the materials I referenced above, and get back to me if you have further questions after doing so.

Yours,
Mark

I don't want anybody here to think that I do not care about hungry children or hardships caused by the economy. This should and is being addressed by the President who uses more accurate statistics. I just wish some of this money that we do not really have being pissed away on crap like the $1.7 million for pig odor research could go toward feeding the kids instead of a re-election ploy.

I don't blame these websites for making the situation seem dire in order to get more donations. I don't blame Bobert for latching on to these claims because he is concerned also.

I do object to using hyped information to further a cause because it turns people off. It is used as a tool right here to blame something on the teabaggers. It is dishonest despite the good intentions.

What should be done is to redirect the waste in government spending toward the people that really need it.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 08:21 PM

Well, the poverty rates in some states are over 15%... And that is using the US poverty guidelines which are purdy low... The rate for a family of 4 is $22,050.... Now if one does the math, given the prices of everything, $22,050 ain't gonna cut it for 4 people in most situations... Yeah, if they own their own land and can grow their own food and can hunt, don't have health insurance and don't need to drive, well, okay, maybe... But $22,050 for a family of 4 ain't gonna leave much for food...

But that is the threshold... If one were to revise the tables to reflect what it really takes to live then those 15% poverty rates would be more like 20% plus, which would support the "1 in 5" claim...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Melissa
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 08:06 PM

Does the "one in five go hungry" mean that 20% of children are living below poverty level?

Poverty does kind of imply food-worry.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 06:05 PM

FLASH!! ONE IN FIVE AMERICANS FEELS A MITE PECKISH....

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 05:40 PM

Why won't you take on the other web sites that make the claim about hunger in America, Sawz??? Do you claim to know more than them???

If I could do blue clickies I'd blue clicky you 1 for 1...

Me thinks, as I have stated before, that you visit so many sites that are set up by Boss Hog that your computer will not access the sites I get when I Google in "1 in 5 hungry"... When I do that I come up with 20 sites right off the bat that don't say anything close to what your rightie sites claim...

And, unlike you, I have alot of real kinda employement that allows me the luxary of spedning hours and hours and hours every day wandering thru web sites... If I have an hour a day then that's about it... And that's for everything including emails and business...

So here's what I suggest... Go the library and use one of their computers and Google in "1 in 5 hungry"... That will give you sites other than the ones that yer computer has ***chosen*** for you to view... Your's is as biased as you are.... It knows your history 'er somethin'.... Yeah, go the library and write down those sites and then go argue with them...

BTW, ya' checked out any piccures of the Tea Partiers??? Bunch of white people... There, now go off to one of yer rightie-sites and find a piccure of a black in the Tea Party and put a link to it... That will maike you feel all rieghteous and probably give you a 4 hour erection, to boot...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Feb 10 - 12:17 PM

Bobert's "1 in 5 children go hungry at night" "fact"

After reading the the following:

Food Security in the United States from the USDA,

Food Security in the United States: Key Statistics and Graphics,

Food Security in the United States: Definitions of Hunger and Food Security, Percentage of households reporting indicators of adult food insecurity, by food security status, 2008,

On average, households with very low food security at some time during the year experienced it in 7 or 8 months during the year and in 1 to 7 days in each of those months....As a result of these temporal patterns, prevalence rates of food insecurity and very low food security during the 30 days preceding the food security survey were considerably lower than the annual rates. The estimated prevalence of very low food security during a single day was lower yet between 0.9 and 1.2 percent of households ,

US Census Bureau July 2006 estimate of 73,735,562 people in the US under 18,

I conclude that the Obama site's claim that According to the Department of Agriculture, in 2006, 430,000 children in the United States experienced hunger [1 in 176] is the correct one and I applaud President Obama for his efforts and for stating the real facts instead of hype. Child hunger is a terrible thing that must be eliminated.

But why do they serve $100 a pound Wagyu steak at the White House while 430,000 children experience hunger?

The American people should hold him accountable.

The scallops were served with Wagyu beef, glazed red carrots, portobello mushrooms and creamed (but not with real cream) spinach.

But Sawz, Bush did the same thing didn't he? Yeah but if that was wrong, why should Obama do the same wrong thing? Remember Hope and Change?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 02:59 PM

AMos: So which is right, Bobert's 1 in 5 or or Obamas?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 02:57 PM

Sawz:

Are you dense?

The statement from Obama.com is not what Bobert was talking about. The rebuttal you posted from a writer in 2009 from (of all interesting places) the Ludwig de Mises Institute, claiming the Obama number is a myth, is definitely a right wing product. Ludwig van Mises, in case you did not know who he was, was the capitalist's capitalist, but regardless, one who said a lot of intelligent things.

A

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 02:13 PM

So Stats from the Obama administration are junk?

I wrote to three of those sites asking them for the data and I got no answer. Same thing I get from you.

Then I present stats from your hero that disproves your stats and you say it is junk.

So which is right, your stats or Obamas?

As usual rather than back anything up anything say, you try to send people on a field trip to prove your facts for themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Feb 10 - 08:48 AM

No one needs alot of stuff, Sawz...

Rich people don't need 50 foot boats and Leer jets... They don't need 20 bedroom houses... The don't need to have 80 of the wealth...

As for food, there is a reason why we have so much obesity in the poorer communities... Its two fold... First, we aren't educatin' people correctly becuase the processed food lobby doesn't want us to and more importantly, nutritious, healthy foods are more expensive...

As for your stats??? They are junk... They are accumulated and packeged for *consumption* by the right wing for the right wing... Yeah, like I have pointed out, the right wing has loads of money to hire lots of fact-twistin statisticans... The other side??? No much money, at all... So when you Google "1 in 5 Kids Hungry" you will find a few poorly funded organization who are out there "in the community" trying to make a point against a bucnh of very well paid fact-twistin' statisticans who have never ever been in those communities.... Yet they sit behind their little computers all day and spew out reems and reeam of dis-information from whatever sources they can find, which BTW, ofetn sound knowledgeable like "Americans for Healthy Nutritition" or "Feed the Hungry"
(both ficticious) that are, in fact, other rightie-sites...

I mean, what a joke... All one reqally has to do is go to the inner-city, walk into just about any ***public*** school and talk with any teacher in the hall... They know the deal...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 11:13 PM

"I hate it that 1 in 5 children go hungry at night"

Barrak Obama.com:

Eliminate Child Hunger by 2015: According to the Department of Agriculture, in 2006, 430,000 children in the United States experienced hunger. Further, 1 in 8 Americans and 1 in 6 children lives in a household that is food insecure -- an Unacceptable situation.

According to the US Census Bureau July 2006 estimate there were 73,735,562 people in the US under 18. That works out to 1 in child in 172 children experienced hunger.

Is America Struggling with Hunger?

Wednesday, October 28, 2009 by Jeremie T.A. Rostan agrege de philosophie, teaches philosophy and economics in San Francisco, California.

"One in eight Americans is struggling with hunger."

If you haven't heard that line, then you must not have a TV. And if you haven't read it, even if you can't be bothered to open a newspaper, then you must live in some very, very, remote part of the country.

"One in eight Americans is struggling with hunger." Everybody knows that. And everybody is talking about it. That statistic caught on like wildfire, striking everyone with a feeling of collective emergency.

My reaction was quite different; not because I don't care about the satisfaction of my neighbors' primary needs, but only because I am more suspicious than sensitive.

One in eight, I thought, that's 12.5 percent a huge proportion. That's thirty-seven million, five hundred thousand people, a huge number incredible, really. I said to myself, how can it be that so many Americans struggle with hunger, and yet I see so little of it?

So I did what few people do: I checked. Where does that "one in eight" come from? And what does it mean?

The now-famous statistic comes from the annual Food Security Survey (FSS) of the United States Department of Agriculture. The first thing to point out is that this level of hunger is not new: contrary to what one may infer from the current campaign, the recent economic crisis has little to do with it. In fact, while food insecurity in America has increased slightly under recent economic conditions, it has been more or less stable for the last 15 years, affecting around 11 percent of households.

Another interesting tidbit of information is that until 2005, the FSS divided food insecurity into "food insecurity without hunger" and "food insecurity with hunger." It then replaced those labels, without any change in their statistical definition, with "low food security" and "very low food security," respectively. Thus, the famous "one-in-eight" hungry Americans include all Americans living in households that, until 2005, were described as food insecure, but without hunger.

So, just how many Americans do face hunger? Well, households with "very low food security" have represented a consistent third of all food-insecure households in past years around 4 percent of total households...... More Here

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Feb 10 - 11:20 AM

Well Bobert you seem to use your use of pot and moonshine as some sort of badge of honor when in fact it is illegal. How can you go around and speak about others not following the rule of law when you don't?

#1 Nobody "needs" pot. Sure it's a blast. It might even enhance one's creativity but so far it is illegal. What has it done for countries where it is legal? Did the dealers go out of business? Pot dealers just move to a more serious, dangerous and additive illegal drug.

#2 Nobody really needs alcohol but at least it is legal.

Furthermore there is a question about what is in the 'shine, Isn't it better to use something that you know is free of lead or methanol? What does lead do to your brain? Maybe you know exactly how yours is made but how about the rest? It seems like playing Russian Roulette to me.

Where does the taxes paid on the legal booze go? Isn't part of it going to the same social programs you support? Isn't buying untaxed alcohol denying funding for those programs? Isn't buying and making moonshine a protest against taxes?

I have tried pot and decided against it. It altered my thinking too much.

I tried moonshine. It tasted exactly like tequila. I decided it was not worth the risk of having contaminants when I can go down to the 7/11 and get the legal and safe product.

Maybe I am taking a holier than thou stance but at least I am more justified than someone that uses illegal alcohol and pot.

This ain't no crusade or condemnation of anybody. It is just my logical conclusions and why I disagree with people that condone Pot and 'Shine.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 10 - 08:08 AM

Well, bb, we've done it the Big Boy's way for the last 30 years and look where it has gotten US??? In the words of Albert Einstien, "Repeating a behavior expecting different results is insanity", in the words of Waylon Jennings, "We need a change", in the words of Henry Ford, "If I don't pay my workers a living wage then they won't be able to buy my cars", in the words of Lyndon Johnson, "Don't spit in the soup, we've all got to eat" and in the words of Bobert, "Bite me"... Okay, the last one was jus' funnin' but the others have alot to do with 30 years of failed economic policy... That's what it boils down to here... A flawed economic policy that depends on the the free market (which it isn't), that is allowed to makes the laws that govern it (which they do) to, ahhhhh, be all benevolent in policing itself (which it won't do)...


And as fir you Sawz, the other loyal member of mt fan club... You criticize me for ad hominean but never miss an opportunity to use either my occasional use of pot or my occasional shot of moonshine as some kinda "proof" that I must be incorrect in my thinking??? Hmmmmmm??? I guess that's not ad hominean???

(Well, it would be, Boberdz, if it was the other way around, ya see???)

Well, no... I don't see...

As for the Big Boy's being right sometimes??? Geeze, bruce, that that mean that they aren't right the other times??? If so, please elaborate where you see that the corpoartions or their power needs to be reeled in...

Now I am off to plow mud... I reckon that will be used in the future that I am on the wrong side of the issues???

(Well, Ralph... OL' Boberdz ain't nuthin' but a pot headed mud-plower an' you know how them folks is???)

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Feb 10 - 07:05 AM

Bobert,

"Where's the free thinking there when you side with the Big Boys 100% of the time...."

One has to consider that sometiumes they are right. It is best to look at the facts, NOT who is stating them. Determine if they are valid BEFORE you decide they are not what you want to hear.


Where's the free thinking there when you side AGAINST the Big Boys 100% of the time?




Sawz,


Excellent post on 21 Feb 10 - 04:43 PM.

IMO, many of us here have the same goals- some just do not bother looking at reality before telling the rest of us how to reach those goals. Bobert has good intentions, even with his flawed logic- But the path he advocates is one that will not lead where he wants to go.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 10:55 PM

Bobert: You automatically think I have a dog in the race. I don't.

It is from the heart. But that is not what you want to hear. All you want is a fight and you accuse others of singing a fight song.

With the exception of the dope smoking, 'shine guzzling and guitar pickin, I am doing almost the exact same thing you are to make a living.

If you think that is not the truth, what do you think I do?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 08:18 PM

you seem to lack an ability to do anything but sing the company fight song...

Not entirely true. He also has the ability to cut and paste copious amounts of text. Of questionable relevancy, granted.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 07:46 PM

Animosity??? Strange comin' from you, Saws...

As for our differences... It's not a matter of opinion one one side has a dog in the race... You apparently have a dog in the race or you would not be so hell-bent on you carte blanche support of a corporate run country... I don't think there is one policy that the corportists advocate that you have broken with... That's not an attack... Just an observation... Where's the free thinking there when you side with the Big Boys 100% of the time.... That is what the brownshirts did... That's the problem I have with your thinking... It lacks the think part... You are a good foot souldier but, no offense, you seem to lack an ability to do anything but sing the company fight song...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 04:43 PM

Bobert: To expand ones horizons they need to get beyond logical fallacies like complex questions, rhetorical questions and ad hominem attacks.

I believe you are not interested in facts but general ideas about how you think things "should" be. If they are not that way it is because someone is preventing them from being that way and you proceed to find someone to blame it on.

Then if someone else thinks things should be another way that is different from your way, you attack them.

The answer to getting along peacefully in the world is to take things the way they are, deal with it and show mutual respect for people that think differently.

Make whatever improvements along the way but don't force your ideas on others like some kind of missionary who knows the only true way that things should be.

You call rich people crooks that stole their money from poor people. Boss Hoggs I think.

Eg Bill Gates. This guy has given more money away than you could ever count.

Ever hear of Pro Mujer? In short they make micro loans to latin american women so they can start an enterprise to make money of their own instead of a hand out that leaves people dependent on handouts.

Financial Access Initiative
    A $5 million grant allows Financial Access Initiative to do field research and answer important questions about micro finance and financial access in impoverished countries around the world.

Pro Mujer
    A $3.1 million grant to Pro Mujer, a leading microfinance network in Latin America, and a pioneer at combining financial services with healthcare for the poorest women entrepreneurs. The five-year grant will be used to research new opportunities for serving the very poorest segment of the Latin American microfinance market.

Grameen Foundation
    A $1.5 million grant allows Grameen Foundation to make more microloans, to support Grameen's goal of helping five million additional families and successfully freeing 50 percent of those families from poverty within five years.

Rice Research
    Between November 2007 and October 2010, the gates foundation will offer $19.9 million to the International Rice Research Institution. The aid is intended to support the increasing demand the world has placed on rice. The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation claims To keep up with worldwide demand, the production of rice will have to increase by about 70 percent in the next two decades. Yielding higher grade crops will ensure local farmers get the best return out of their crop annually and be able to offer greater quantities.

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation today announced a $306 million package of agricultural development grants designed to boost the yields and incomes of millions of small farmers in Africa and other parts of the developing world so they can lift themselves and their families out of hunger and poverty.

And that is a tiny fraction of what they have given away. Would you rather that he never made any money and never donated any of it?

Ever heard if Heifer International? In short they give two breeder animals to a poor family with only the stipulation that they eventually donate two animals to someone else.

Ever see those people going to a remote village and digging a new well or cleaning up, covering and putting a pump the existing well so they can have clean water?

Ever see those people carrying bags ot Sakrete and a mold on donkey back to remote villages in Africa to make a peanut sheller so they can cooperatively make a product and trade it or sell it? The Full Belly Project?

I believe this is the way to end poverty and suffering in the world.

All this blood in the streets and buy guns and claiming somebody is a terrorist and racist is nothing but hate and it will only produce more hate. Why try to divide people into groups to oppose another group which will end up nullifying anything good that might have been done.

Try to find what is right in the world and improve on that instead of adding fuel to the fire.

I think part of the responsibility for the current hate and divisiveness is modern communication, mass media, the internet, cable news etc. They instigate. They try to divide people into groups that oppose one another so they can profit from it. It is just a living to them. Politicians do the same thing to get elected. People just have to learn to look beyond all that antagonistic crap and decide for them selves what is right and wrong.

I watch Aljazeera, Euro News, Russia Today, French news, world news and 5 others to get away from the US mainstream media for a different perspective. It is amazing how unbiased they are. When they reported that plane crash they did not even mention terrorism except one cop in Texas saying it was not terrorism.

I am trying not to be hateful or condescending. You can disagree if you want but I don't think you will accomplish anything positive by stirring up animosity.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 08:51 AM

In other words, you have no interest in expanding your horizons...

I see...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 10:12 PM

"Do you enjoy being ignorant???" Complex question and logical fallacy

"If you were sick would you go to see a doctor???" Simple question. Answer: Yes

"If you would go to see a doctor if you were sick then why wouldn't you go see a college professor if you thought you might be ignorant???"
Complex question and logical fallacy.

Philosophy 103: Introduction to Logic philosophy.lander.edu

Complex Question

Abstract: The fallacy of complex question is discussed, and several typical examples are presented.
               
I. Complex Question: the fallacy of phrasing a question that, by the way it is worded, assumes something not contextually granted, assumes something not true, or assumes a false dichotomy. To be a fallacy, and not just a rhetorical technique, the conclusion (usually the answer to the question) must be present either implicitly or explicitly.
   1. The fallacy of complex question is usually (but not always) in the form or a question. Usually it's just the fallacy of giving a question that assumes something not generally granted or given unto evidence.
   2. If an argument is present, the question, itself, must be considered as a statement, i.e., it implicitly has a truth value.
   3. The informal structure of the fallacy is usually similar to the following:
      How (or why) is statement p true (or false)?
      Statement p is true (or false).
   4. The problems associated with both the fallacy and the rhetorical techniques of complex question are involved with "dividing the question" in law or rules of order. This kind of presupposition is also used in arguments for a "line-item veto."
   5. Occasionally, the fallacy of complex question is simply an unwarranted assumption in an argument and the passage is not presented as a question.

II. The assumption or presupposition to a complex question can only be known from the context. Not all cases where something not generally granted is assumed are fallacious because not all such passages involve arguments.
   1. E.g., a prosecutor demands from a defendant, "Did you commit the murder before or after you bought the soft drink?"
      No argument is being given, so no fallacy occurs. Obviously, the whole sense of the question changes if the prosecutor is asking the question just after the defendant confessed to the murder.
   2. The classic question, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" would not be a fallacy unless explicitly or implicitly the speaker is assuming without evidence that you beat your wife, and this is the very point he wishes to draw as a conclusion. It's difficult to construct this example in such a way that a fallacy, instead of a rhetorical technique, occurs.
   3. Consider what is being assumed in the following question: "What church do you and your husband attend?" The main assumptions can be unpacked as follows.
         1. You attend church.
         2. You have a family.
         3. Your family attends church.
         4. You and your family attend the same church.
III. Examples of complex question:
      "If a choice must be made, I'll adopt God's nonexistence as a working assumption. If I am mistaken, I hope He is not offended by my demand for evidence. (Many believers seem to think that God is offended by atheists. Is he overly proud or merely insecure?) Kent Bach, Exit-Existentialism, 14.
      How can we save our country from the bureaucratic dictatorship, the corruption, and the creeping socialism of the present administration? Only one way: vote Independent.
      "Look very closely. You will see that no person and no circumstance can prevent you from becoming a self-understanding man or woman. Who is stopping you at this very moment? No one." Vernon Howard, The Mystic Path of Cosmic Power (New Life Foundation, 1999), 64.
      The students bring not only money but also the air of sophistication and cosmopolitanism that mark so many of New England villages. How else to explain the prosperity of Hadje's Persian Restaurant out on Rout 9 between the cornfields and the roadside tomato stands, or the shop clerks' discussion Thoreau over tables of Shetland sweaters?" New York Times, Travel Section.
      The following passage on the problem of redistribution is discussing whether people should be paid on how hard they try, rather than rewarding those with natural ability.
      ""How hard you're willing to work is powerfully influenced by how much skill nature has given you and thus how much chance you have of achieving a satisfying success. The case for redistribution is not without its troubles: Anyone who says that what nature has given you has nothing to do with what you should be allowed to keep must ultimately answer questions like why couples who produce beautiful children shouldn't be made to give some of them to parents who can only turn out ugly ducklings." "Up Against the Wall," Wall St. Journal (06.18.79), 22.

IV. Nonfallacious examples of complex question are usually rhetorical techniques, as explained above. If a question's presuppositions are legitimately assumed by all parties, and the presuppositions are all relevant, then no fallacy has been committed.
   Check this distinction with the following examples. Are there any fallacies in the following passages?
   1. "An almost equally exasperating aspect of the autonomy struggle is the toddler's inability to make choices. The parent asks whether the child wants a cookie or a lollipop. First the child says, 'Cookie,' but as soon as he gets the cookie, he wants a lollipop. The parent patiently takes away the cookie and gives the toddler a lollipop, but now the child wants the cookie again. The problem is that the child wants the right to choose, but does not want to make a choice. From the child's point of view, he does not have a choice unless he can choose them both." (Source misplaced.)
   2. "Shoppers at F.W. Woolworth Co.'s stores might detect one means of a company minimizing its borrowing needs. According to Ellis Smith, executive vice president of finance, the company 'hardly acknowledges' it own charge system. 'The first question our people are instructed to ask is, 'Is the purchase case?' If it isn't, the second question is "Is this Visa or Master Charge'" Wall Street Journal (02.25.80), 1.      
   3. "There is a tale, probably apocryphal, told of that notoriously merry monarch Charles II. There was a dinner to commemorate the foundation of the Royal Society. At the end of the evening, 'with the peculiar gravity of countenance which he usually wore on such occasions," he put a challenge to the Fellows. 'Suppose two pails of water were fixed in two different scales that were equally poised, and which weighted equally alike, and that two live bream, or small fish, were put into either of these pails.' he wanted to know the reason why that pail, with such additions should not weigh more than the other pail which stood against it. Many suggested possible explanations, and argued for their own suggestions with more or less vigour. But at last one who perhaps remembered that the motto of that great society is 'Nullium in verba' (Take no man's word for it!) denied the assumption: "It would weigh more." The King was delighted: 'Odds fish, brother, you are in the right.'" I. D'Israeli, The Quarrels of Authors (London: John Murray, 1814), 341.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 08:11 PM

Like I said, Sawz... You are an ignorant white man who is clueless about race... I've suggested that it would be to your benefit to have a professor in "race studies" examine this thread and give you their un-biased read on it but, no... You'd rather just stay ignorant and call me a racist???

Maybe they can explain to you the difference between "redneck" and "nigger" since you seem clueless...

Here's my question for you Sawz: Do you enjoy being ignorant???

Here's my next question fir you: "If you were sick would you go to see a doctor???

Here's my last question fir you: "If you would go to see a doctor if you were sick then why wouldn't you go see a college professor if you thought you might be ignorant???"

Like what's the big fear here, Sawz??? Afraid that I might be right??? Horrors, man, horrors!!! That would be worse than, ahhhhhh, worse than anything...

You are quickly becoming just another troll here... You know what trolls are, don'tcha??? They're just little people with little minds who use the internet as a forum to be obnoxious and disruptive??? Why??? Different reason but bottom line, there comes a point where they are not willin' to do anything but troll more... They are not willing to learn new stuff... Or explore possibilities... They just sit in their armore in front of their computer and pound out trollism...

Hey, I am very serious, Sawz.... You say yer wife is a teacher??? I'm sure that she knows someone who could find you a reputable professor that teaches a course on "race"... NO, not a Bob Jones U professor who is also a member of the local Klan... But a real professor...

Waht are you afraid of, man??? The truth??? Enlightenment??? Learning that it's perfectly okay to have a black president???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 10:42 AM

"That was written exactly the way that alot of peope are sayin' it, Sawz"

Where?

Is this a racist remark? "We, frankly, are tired of carrying yer r*****k asses"

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 10:02 AM

Bobert is constantly passing responsibility for racist remarks to other people.

Seems to me that the person that made the ni**a remark is calling Obama a ni**a.

I think that is offensive. Regardless of his skin color, he is the president, duly elected by the people.

Also he is saying anybody that is unsatisfied with Obama's performance is doing so because they are "whitey" and therefore a white racist.

Please analyze this Bobert:

"I do not regard the N***o as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever"

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 08:50 AM

'"So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "ni**a" out???"'

               You probably won't get them out--they belong here, so where would they go? But it is working to get the illegal aliens out, and they're simply going home, where they belong.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 07:42 AM

That was written exactly the way that alot of peope are sayin' it, Sawz... I think it is imporatnt, while you righties here who are far removed from the real world, righteously pound away on me for reportined what is being said in the real world...

I stop in this joint every morning because they have the Washington Post... It is a little redneck general store where country folks hang out and BS about this and that... You prolly would be sacred to go in there yerself, Sawz, but everyone in there is frioendly to me 'cause most have heard me play music here or there and I have taken it upon myself to learn everyone's name and try to a good neighbor and all that... So I am thought of as, well, not one of the boys but someoene who they don't have to say "Here comes _________ so wacth yer language...

So, yeah, I do hear what Redneck Nation is sayin'... You prolly don't 'cause, like I said, you prolly be scared to death to go in there and mix it up with these folks...

So when I talk about the manner in which folks are talkin' I am talkin' from the experience of hearing "nigger" as if it wasn'ty an off-limits word... So for me to say what alot of righties are thinkin' ain't racistt on ****my**** part.... It's reporting the racism that is deeply seated in ****ya'll's**** part...

But you won't understand that either... Be sure to run this post off as well when you go to see the professor of "race studies", will ya???

Ya' know, Sawz... Einstien said that a problem cannot be solved from the same consciousness that created it... I think it would do you a world of good to do exactly what I've said... Maybe even audit a course on "race"... Right now you sound like one of those folks who wouldn't ride in cars becuase the grand-daddy said that man was not intended to ride in cars... In other words... Eat up with ignornace!!!

No offense intended... Just the way it is... Yeah, get your ignorant self into some academic setting that will push yer brain outta the totally "reactioonary" (knee-jerk) cycle that you are stuck in...

Square business (might have to have that professor expalin that term also...)...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 09:51 PM

What does the Bobert fan club say about this remark:

"So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "ni**a" out???"

Noun, ni**a (ethnic slur) extremely offensive name for a Black person.